Why Did All The Primarchs Hate Roboute Guilliman? | Warhammer 40k Lore

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[@Night_Fox_1]

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[@SpunkMayo]

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[@drakeeybro]

Because G-man had the decency to say 'hello' first to those worlds they found instead of drop-podding directly on to their capital

[@narutoseninmode]

kkkkkkkkkkk true

[@collecter343]

And not be an insufferable ass about it *cough* Fulgrim *cough*

[@primary2630]

Yeah and he wasn't demanding ridiculous or humiliating things from them.

[@CasketGenneva]

hhmmm

[@Vlad_the_inhaler69]

​@collecter343 I wouldn't say he was insufferable about it. Bro brought knowledge and arts to places instead of just conquering. I'd say he was just a more flamboyant guilliman when it came to taking worlds. Also I'm a huge fulgrim fan soooo I'm a bit baised

[@paimonisfood4986]

Guilliman is just that overachiever successful dude that everyone envies.

[@robertnelson9599]

It did not help that Bobby G would point out flaws in other Primarch’s tactics and give unwanted suggestions. Perturabo and Alpharius hated this the most.

[@VoxAstra-qk4jz]

​@@robertnelson9599 Bro is not beating the autism allegations.

[@62meta]

@@robertnelson9599 Not really he is a good logistics guy and in general good planer for war itself but is soundly beaten in acts of war by General Primarchs of the Legions like The Lion, Horus, Perturabo, Jagathai Khan, Corvus Corax.

[@Keemperor40K]

@@62meta Gmans biggest weakness is his lack of imagination. Every loss Guilliman had against his brothes was always due to unorthodox tactics that Gman himself could never conceive of. But he always adapted nonetheless and rarely did a tactic or strategy work on him more than once. Corvus is the one that showcases this in that he beat Guilliman at war games a few times, but after Guilliman had a chance to review and adapt he was never beaten again and while Corvus won a few battles, he could never beat wars against Guilliman. His greatest weakness is his lack of imagination and his greatest strength is his adaptability and willingness to improve no matter how hard the reality is.

[@devoncharles5174]

💯

[@Spike2276]

G-man is a literal victim of suffering from success.

[@timexyemerald6290]

G-man is that kid who impressed the teachers but only to end up doing more work being teachers pet

[@karloskarlinderstrom6943]

Nah Guilliman is victim of "boring businessman". He is basically Gus Fring, if Gus didnt have a drug Empire.

[@ronanchristiana.belleza9270]

@@karloskarlinderstrom6943 yep you're boring

[@gradius12]

Best primarch, 10/10

[@EnclaveSoldier2201]

Guilliman is basically the human equivalent of Excel. You hate to use it but it's a pain in the ass to organize without it.

[@waterbloom1213]

I like Excel

[@CasketGenneva]

hmm

[@CasketGenneva]

@@waterbloom1213 Guilliman get out of here

[@waterbloom1213]

@@CasketGenneva Fact is one of the lost primarchs was a Promethium Sachs CEO who got deleted after messing with the Fenris Sovereign Wolffund.

[@primary2630]

​@waterbloom1213 guilliman is typing behind the screen

[@Corsair-Mandrake]

I forget which book and the exact quote but he had done something that no other Primarch did. Conquered a massive empire before joining the Imperium. The quote bringing up "Not even Horus had managed that"

[@lokensicarius9347]

an he did it in 5 years with mortals too.

[@Lazorvictory]

He even stopped a battle without any bloodshed I believe, its before konor was betrayed by his friend.

[@Psyker_Unredactus]

He inherited it. Basically already established. Angron tells him as much.

[@Corsair-Mandrake]

@@Psyker_Unredactus Maccrage yes, not Ultramar

[@brenomatos8384]

@@Psyker_Unredactus He inherited control of Macragge. He then rebuilt and organized a huge logistical fleet that reached several other nearby planets, forming the beginning of Ultramar.

[@kingbasilisk7880]

The reason why guilliman isn’t very liked by the other primarchs: The emperor: alright there is a world that refuses to join the imperium, how should we take care of it The other primarchs: *slamming there fists on the table in sync with increasing excitement* genocide, genocide, GENOCIDE Guilliman: maybe we should reason with them instead? The rest of the primarchs: *chorus of groans of disappointment*

[@rayhanmustakim7073]

Angron : throwing chairs and ready to lunge at Guilliman if not being held by other Primarchs.

[@noahmehringer29]

@@rayhanmustakim7073 Sanguinius: Hmmm...maybe Roboute has a point...

[@guyver5er412]

vulkan: hmm, I like being nice . . . but my heavy flamer 😢

[@Kalianos88]

I think Horus did this as his first contact for human populations. If negotiations broke down? The hammer came down though.

[@gunmonkey1185]

Corvus Corax: Need to assess that the people are being depressed first

[@sanguinius3938]

"ALL PRIMARCHS" is an overstatement, Sanguinius had a good relationship with him, Corax too

[@Stryker98]

I doubt Sangy counts since pretty much everyone loved/respected the Emperor's golden bird boy, even the traitors.

[@bloodangel19]

Ofc the guy names Sanguinius says that😂

[@sanguinius3938]

@@bloodangel19 of course the "bloodangel" agrees with me

[@lizadon0740]

I think VULKAN liked him too.

[@Sparksparky1]

It's kinda shocking that corax gets with gulliman in the first place tbh

[@magnustiberius7328]

They “hate” him because he had a badass MOM, who genially love him and be loved back.

[@TSInfiMa-r6z]

Same for Russ. Dorn has a badass grandpa. Corax has a whole revolutionary crew for family.

[@bittercad1137]

Vulkan was also raised by basically an entire village on Nocturne. Which just goes to prove the old adage. It take a village to raise a child

[@TSInfiMa-r6z]

@@bittercad1137 Same for Jaghatai's case despite how different they were to Vulkan's home culture.

[@MastemaJack]

​@@bittercad1137 ugh that's not how that goes. It's, it takes a village to raise an idiot

[@GabrielLopez-mo2xo]

@@bittercad1137I mean it’s more like if you have decent parents growing up you won’t be as susceptible to the whispers of temptation

[@macq1]

He is the true face of war. Battles are not won or lost in the trenches. It's the supply line, reinforcements, and thousands of other details that happen away from the fighting that truly wins and loses wars.

[@CeoofUnitedHealthcare-l5w]

Every Primarch is capable of that outside of the insane and corrupted. They’re Demi god super computers inside of a Superman body. If a human general like Maccharius can do it then they all should do it with complete ease. Logically speaking

[@ongodykme]

All the primarchs can do that it's just guilty man can do it galaxy wide

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

"Men win battles, logistics wins wars."

[@randyruger9063]

True, but that's not sexy. Space battles with ships that can destroy planets are won by ground troops in glorious melee combat lol.

[@badart3204]

For post industrial war yes. For preindustrial war no.

[@vladdpetrashcu5612]

They hate him because they are not him.

[@JohnJohn-r4l]

They’z be hatin’ ‘im cause they’z not as Gud as ‘im

[@stingblademaster]

He really is him

[@redrockrabbitk6078]

Oh snap

[@cinnamonroll7788]

They hate us cause they anus

[@dustinhager5270]

I think you mean “they hate us cuz they ain’t us” 😂

[@anglerfishchan4294]

Guilliman is like that guy you knew in high school who was a straight laced, over achieving, straight A student who was also a star athlete and did volunteer work on the weekends. You never had a negative interaction with him and only hate him(or want to hate him because you wish you were him and your parents constantly compared you to him

[@anthonyd55]

Damn too close to home bro

[@su-57_]

Oddly specific

[@noahmehringer29]

@@su-57_ We've all bumped into someone like that. The dude I knew was actually pretty chill. Stressed himself out more (like 16 and he had a very small patch of grey hair!) than anyone else but was overall a nice guy.

[@noelius4481]

as an asian living in asia, that's a lot of people.

[@-lucentdawn-1445]

Wow, is this a flashback to your high school time? That was incredibly specific LOL

[@luker2693]

*proceeds to explain how nearly all of the loyalists had good or decent relationships with G-Man*

[@alexiel4406]

He just had to use click bait title 😔

[@karloskarlinderstrom6943]

Gullimans relationship with other Primarch can be summoned up as "boring but competent".

[@jessISaRicePrincess]

yep thats pretty much of almost all of Gmans brothers execpt the messed up ones like Angron and Kurze for example

[@-lucentdawn-1445]

It's just click bait :)

[@anotherbacklog]

Guilliman is the only guy with common sense, which kinda makes him the biggest weirdo in the 40k setting.

[@lokensicarius9347]

Honestly, the person you would think to be the most autistic is the least.

[@giorgaras1851]

The only primarch. There are other humans and xenos who have the same (or even more) common sense as him.

[@bodricthered]

Vulkan had common sense when not tortured beyond death hundreds of times (PTSD about aeldar not wothstanding).

[@MrDerekdef34]

The Khan is well known for his common sense also.

[@babomberman]

His primarch power is know how to actually use excel and common sense.

[@Banished-rx4ol]

No love for Big E’s premier paperwork admin lmao, Gullimans normalness threw his brothers off

[@Stryker98]

Adornable and the Khan are also pretty normal by 40k standards... But yeah, most of the Primarchs are straight fruit loops lmao.

[@ChaptermasterPedroKantor-kv5yw]

Nobody likes the bureaucrat, but without him all things grind down to a halt. You need him, he makes the machine keep going, but he goes unloved.

[@NekoSoren]

It's almost like Guilliman had normal parents who made sure he wasn't a psycho and developed common sense

[@fbi6179]

They hated him because Robot Gorillaglue is content with what he does and does not strive for more grandiose ambitions like the rest.

[@ashleywessels9860]

Pretty much, a big part of it probably had to do with having a much more 'normal' childhood than his brothers. He was the control primarch in the group lol, the one with the relatively stable family environment.

[@sawyeratkinson]

He tried to start a second imperium before even knowing if the 1st had fallen...tf are you talking about..

[@cyrusserapheth9555]

​@@sawyeratkinsonThat was always a contingency plan being executed. As far as Gman could tell, Terra might have been lost and the Imperium might have been in the midst of collapse. He was kinda wrong, but based on that worst-case scenario he built Secundus as a fallback plan and new beachhead for reclamation should it become necessary. Once he realized Terra was still standing, albeit under siege, he dropped Secundus like a hot potato and rushed to Terra's aid. OTOH, if he had been right, Secundus would have been 100% necessary. So he operated under the principle of "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it."

[@sawyeratkinson]

@cyrusserapheth9555 i dont need a lecture dude, ive been in the lore for a long time now. Dress it up however you want with whatever excuses and make it look pretty for your boys in blue...

[@elseggs6504]

​@@sawyeratkinson Reading memelore doesnt count

[@MarkOfAstria]

I adore Girlyman ever since he first showed up in the Heresy novels. He's probably the most normal dude in the setting.

[@MATTA74]

I would say the Kahn comes across as being pretty normal as well

[@HappyHog11]

The Khan is probably the most sane out of all the Primarchs, at least he was, but Rowboat was definitely a close second, and is probably first now if speedboi spent 10,000 years in Commoragh

[@ThorGiske]

Hes the most human who can actually get along with regular humans and just want to be seen as a man

[@mstr____blik]

@@MATTA74 i won't label the WARHAWK PRIMARCH of all the brothers to be """normal""".

[@petesmith9073]

Guilliman was disliked by the Emperor? Well, he is the better emperor anyway.

[@narutoseninmode]

kkkkk true

[@zico739]

Exactly.

[@leibniz4455]

Emperor was using task manager to handle a virus, but Guilliman mastered all forms of code to handle any virus

[@Psyker_Unredactus]

According to the Seer Psyker in Darktide, The Emperor is reportedly very pleased with his return.

[@petesmith9073]

@Psyker_Unredactus It was hard to pin down in his psychic aneurysm, but yes, I guess he is.

[@JosephSatri]

I don't think Rogal Dorn hated him.....even when he promoted the break up of the legions into chapters. These two bros were tight.

[@CidVeldoril]

Lord Adornable can appreciate efficiency.

[@bodricthered]

I love the moment of the siege where Dorn finally admits to himself he's afraid of not being enough to stop the traitors, his first thought is don't tell roboute.... doesn't sound like hate to me.

[@TheGoodLuc]

It's when he decided to split legions, that's where animosity started.

[@Keemperor40K]

@@TheGoodLuc A short but powerful one, while Dorn was the one who resisted the most and even threatened to escalate into a second Civil War, after the events of the Iron Cage, Dorn finally cooled down and understood Guillimans logic and intent. Only time those two where ever really at odds with each other and after that they return to being closest of brothers.

[@CidVeldoril]

@@TheGoodLuc Not even animosity. Dorn just thought Roboute was wrong. Which current day Roboute agrees with.

[@GT-legendary]

"when you are in your lane doing your thing, you get haters." - Guilliman

[@myself2noone]

I enjoy the fact that Dorn and Guilliman both hate Alpharius, but for the exact opposite reasons. Guilliman felt like he overcomplicated things, and Dorn felt like he didn't concor things "right." Implying one hated Alpharious, and the other hated Omegon.

[@bamantioiindrahidayat9062]

Or is *it*

[@PerditioTempus2591]

Hate is too strong a word for this. Most of the Primarchs simply dislike him or like him the least

[@martinratagris]

Corvus and G-Man had a nice moment where they both made fun of Fulgrim and his ship.

[@Migolcow]

Just a note on Vulkan, yes Vulkan was either comatose or crazy on Ultramar, however Gman himself was distraught at seeing his brother, temporarily losing his cool and punching the wall, demanding to see his "dear brother" that had returned from the dead.

[@noahmehringer29]

Also Vulkan saved G-man's mom from Conrad Kurze (yes he would've saved anyone but still). Literally barreled the man through a window in like a skyscraper (I think) to save his brother's mom.

[@samhayden60]

I'm getting the idea that the major driving characteristic of ultramarines is as much about vengeance as it is logistics. They're really horny for getting revenge.

[@ajirawa5729]

Their whole thing is honor and so when you disrespect their honor, they will come after you

[@Lazorvictory]

Its like how the the black Templars are always in crusades

[@ronanchristiana.belleza9270]

They;re just the 2nd thing a Dwarf can be, grudge

[@noahmehringer29]

Leutin has a good talking point about the Ultramarines, they were one of the biggest factors in the Horus Heresy. Horus sent them all the way to the opposite side of the galaxy and then sent the largest traitor legion to fight them and had to summon a warp storm to keep them occupied. When he found out they were coming, he gambled on fighting Big E personally instead of trying to fight them with his own forces. They could've won the heresy, and they failed. They didn't win, they arrived late. They failed and they've lived with that shame since. that's why they're trying to be the best space marine's because they weren't good enough before. That's what goes through their minds. That's why they kicked so much ass during the scouring and why they're Primarch is the Avenging Son.

[@IvanIvanovv]

Our favorite big blueberry, Ropegoat Gorillaham

[@seansteele6532]

Thumbnail “They all hated him!” Video “So like four hated him, a few were basically neutral, the others liked him and he was Ferris’s favorite.”

[@eugeneflores6153]

"I need clickbait' - Majorkill

[@stripeybag6977]

Now that I think about it the criticism of Ultramarines being rigid and boring is weird since they're one of the Legions who are Jack of All Trades so you'd think they'd be the opposite.

[@oldashfifa]

Jack Of All Trades means not specializing too hard and being neutral/normal enough that you can lean towards any aspect as required. So it makes sense why that can be seen as boring, as a lot of the unique quirkier stuff is found in more specialized legions.

[@angelam02191]

Jack of all traders master of none, but often times better than a master of one

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@angelam02191 funny thing is you can be both a generalist and be a specialist at the same time

[@jmgonzales7701]

because they are by the book

[@ChaptermasterPedroKantor-kv5yw]

Lots of legions were jack of all trades, the Imperial Fists come to mind. Or the Dark Angels. Being jacks of all trades does not make anyone boring. What is boring however is how GW keeps on pushing the Smurfs as the bestest evah, when their actual lore is not that interesting, or more interesting then that of others. And a certain dude whose 1st name was Matt and last name was Ward did not help either. Spread the love around to everyone, give them all their time under the sun and Smurf hate will disappear and the Ultramarines will even be liked. They do after all have a really bitching paint scheme.

[@AustinFoss00]

I don't necessarily agree that Guilliman and Dorn disagreeing and debating on stuff would have strained their relationship. I think, at least with Guilliman, that they could appreciate a good debate, which would help them understand and provide better outcomes and clarity of their plans.

[@oldashfifa]

I can’t be sure but I remember reading/hearing that their disagreement specifically regarding the Codex and splitting up of the Legions got really heated and on the brink of civil war

[@AustinFoss00]

@@oldashfifa Yeah that's fair. But I also think Dorn disagreeing with the Codex and the chapter split was kinda odd. Seems like something he would have agreed with.

[@ChaptermasterPedroKantor-kv5yw]

I don't think Dorn was in a good mental place post Heresy, wanting to crush traitors, while Bobby G. was all about rebuilding and making sure it never happened again. And in all fairness breaking up the legions was a mistake. What was needed breaking up the bond between the legions and their Primarchs. But legion sized forces to conduct large scale operations or defenses were still needed.

[@olorin3815]

@@AustinFoss00i mean Dorn felt guilty about emperor geting fked and his porpose in life seems to be to defend Terra and splitting up the legion and him lowing a bunch of his power probably not helpful to his goal of building the most glorious fortification 😂

[@AustinFoss00]

@@olorin3815 This is fair, but just like with Ultramarine successors, the Primarch still has total control of all chapters when needed. There are many Ultramarine chapters that defend Mccragge. He could still put most of the Imperial Fists' in the defense of Terra

[@trajanfidelis]

Video starts at 2:16

[@TheRealMycanthrope]

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[@boobabah00]

He should pin this comment

[@bigbean4403]

Thx!!!!

[@gavinvick3592]

Thank you. I hate that we gotta resort to this, but what is done is done

[@almighty_cthulhu]

Ahh majorkill and his 3 minutes of plugs for a 10 minute of video

[@Gallery1743]

Their jealous gulliman got that ADD that alliwed him to properly focus. While his brothers got that severe ADHD that made thing more difficult

[@giorgaras1851]

Perturabo can focus and do things pretty well, he just has some anger management problems.

[@Gallery1743]

@@giorgaras1851 it was stable ADD without the frequent emotial tantrusms

[@Microwave_King]

They hated him because he was the only one of the Primarchs that the Emperor gave the business version of Microsoft Excel. All his brothers got the free version and thus the jealousy was born.

[@kaneslives]

Perty built him a magnificent clock tower? Dwaaa.

[@noahmehringer29]

Pretty sure G-Man respected Perty and his accomplishments. Probably his only critique would've been the whole killing every 1/10 legionaries to prove a point.

[@TheMightyCakeDemon]

"All the primarchs hated Guilliman!" Most of the primarchs: "He's alright, i guess. We get along."

[@chucklytell]

I enjoy that the Khan is one of the brothers that isnt on the greatest terms with G Man but not coming from a place of likely jealousy, just a you do you and I'll do me kinda thing

[@noahmehringer29]

Yeah, Khan wasn't close to a lot of the Primarchs. He was only really friends with Sangy, Magnus (probably his best friend), and Horus. Most of the imperium didn't know much about the White Scars and looked down on them because of it, but the Scars didn't give enough of a crap to really care what the Imperium thought of them. Pretty awesome actually to be able to just ignore what everyone says about you so you can stay true to yourself and beliefs.

[@Kylecifer_]

Imagine what would happen with all the hype of the next loyalist primarch coming back into the setting and then GW decides G-man would turn Perturabo back into the Imperium's side.

[@giorgaras1851]

The only way for that to happen was for vashthor to become the 5th chaos god and the emperor forgiving him (except if the part of him being a deamon primarch is true, then there would be 0% chance for him)

[@MrFallenone]

@@giorgaras1851 If hes a daemon primarch why would he be obsessed with constantly upgrading his armour. Because its a life support for the wound he got in Angel Exterminatus.

[@giorgaras1851]

@@MrFallenone tell that to GW. I would prefer if he wasn't a deamon primarch but they say otherwise.

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@giorgaras1851Given the Emperor said he could save Morty, he could definitely save Perty

[@ashwinsubramaniyan8349]

Ironically Peter turbo was one of the few primarchs that is hard to redeem... Vulkan got corrupted into chaos,magnus was tricked into it.. Curze was too obsessed with visions..Lorgar and Peter were the ones who willingly betrayed the emperor without any chaos trickery or corruption.

[@maciekwilkosz6377]

Why do people consider Ultramarines predictable, while they whole thing is flexibility and adaptability?

[@Lazorvictory]

Probably because they see the ultramarines always following things by the books, and people ignoring the adaptability side of them. considering their gene father is a literal walking computer for logistics. I love the ultramarines btw.

[@eugeneflores6153]

​@@Lazorvictoryfunny thing, Gorillaman hates the ones who follow the codex so strictly and treat it like a bible than a guidebook, then he even said to Remus that the Codex needs to be revised and he's glad that more space marines chapter don't follow much on the codex and be adaptable as possible.

[@davetheimpaler204]

Any hate for Ultramarines stems from them being the mascots of 40K and often pushed as the "main characters" over other chapters and factions in the lore. That's really all there is to it.

[@deltalord6969]

Weird couldve sworn fulgrim actually liked guilliman

[@joaohenriquegaleno5369]

Fulgrim actually liked Curze, the only Primarch that did so, i think...

[@Make_A_ChangeKYSelf]

​@@joaohenriquegaleno5369 I think sanguinius respected him for sharing abilities

[@ItsDainsleifDuh]

​​@@joaohenriquegaleno5369 he's like brothers with Ferrus before the Laer Blade thing

[@joaohenriquegaleno5369]

@@Make_A_ChangeKYSelf I think Sanguinius most certainly felt empathy for Konrad's situation, he, more than anyone else, knew the burden of prescience, but he probably didn't agree with the Night Haunter's destructive nihilistic approach, as opposed to his own optimistic nihilistic approach

[@joaohenriquegaleno5369]

@@ItsDainsleifDuh I meant that Fulgrim was probably the only Primarch that Curze liked... In fact, with maybe the exception of Peter Turbo... I mean Perturabo, Jaghatai and maybe Corvux, who were the only Primarchs who didn't really like Fulgrim, and Jaghatai was probably the only one Fulgrim didn't like back, before the Laer Blade, unlike all the other Primarchs, Fulgrim was the only one who when he met any of his new brothers, never thought about how he could defeat or be defeated by them in combat, or what weaknesses they had to be exploited.... Honestly, at most, he analyzed his new brother's fashion sense, and generally liked and tried to get along with all of them immediately, he sided with both Magnus and Lorgar in both their judgments, he was probably the third most liked Primarch, behind Horus and of course Sanguinius... until the Laer Blade.

[@ЯрОк-и2й]

What If instead of just ripping out his compassion The Emperor had instead fused that shard of his soul with the Angel of Destruction, like when Malcador fused the noble shard of Magnus with the supreme grandmaster of the Grey Knights.

[@ЯрОк-и2й]

Would he still be locked away for the second time like in canon? Unlikely. Will he be kept a secret or revealed to the public? How would the Imperium react? How would Custodes react? If he is still around then how would Gulliman react to a brother that shares his burden but one he never knew? Since his memories have been erased would he believe the Angel to be one of the lost Primarchs? How would the other factions react? Specifically Chaos. Would the Blood Angels see him as Sanguineous reborn? Would he be willing to play into that? Would he be willing to take the Lamenters under his wings after all they've been through?

[@fuchsmichael93]

@@ЯрОк-и2й Does he even exist anymore in the current Canon? Gman wouldnt think hes one of the Lost Primarch, since he knew them. He wouldnt "feel" like a Brother either, if the Angel doesnt have a Warpsoul like the Rest. With a Shard of the Emperor he would be exactly that. A Part of their Father So no Sanginius 2.0 either

[@ЯрОк-и2й]

​@@fuchsmichael93 1 GW didn't officially retcon him, so probably still canon. 2 He knows they existed but It doesn't seem like the Primarchs remember many details about them, their memory of them, at least partially erased. 3 Both Lorgar and Sanguinius had an aura and presence extremely similar to that of the Emperor. We also don't know how exactly he was made, so It's not impossible for him to posses the special source like the other Primarchs.

[@markointhesky]

just yapped at my grandmother for like 20 minutes about 40k as a way of thanking her so she can fully understand what she has gotten into by generously donating to my plastic crack addiction it was a lot harder to explain than I was expecting

[@KKKKKKK777js]

MORTARION (The life of the party) thought he was too dull.

[@MnemonicHack]

Inb4 we find out Alpharius and Guilliman were actually best buds.

[@jmgonzales7701]

like in true alpha legion fashion

[@LuckyTheReviewer]

Tbf with the situation between Alpharius and Omegon and Guilliman and Dorn, it seems like they ended up just meeting the wrong one. Dorn hated the one he knew about because of how he had won a planet without showing the Imperium's strength via the usual Alpha Legions tactics of infiltrating, converting, and then taking over where as Dorn wanted to bring the planet to kneel through strenght. Meanwhile the one Guilliman dealt with was the complete opposite in that they went overkill on a world that didn't need such action. It very much feels like had the two been swapped, Alpharius might have been more liked by the two rather than having given the bad impression to both Dorn and Guilliman.

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bro you used to be a smaller niche channel that wasn't even the paramount Warhammer channel and NOW YOU ARE IN THE FIELDS PUTTING IN WORK making money hand over ass with great products. Time is wild lol so many years kudos

[@Banished-rx4ol]

I got in when his most popular video was what happened to the legendary lords during the end times. His feuds with one mind, italian spartacus, and his drunk interview with arch. Its kinda surreal to see him go so far

[@NejiBooga]

Dedication doesn't always pay off. But when it does, this happens.

[@Sparksparky1]

​@Banished-rx4ol too be fair I would watch a majorkill video over an archcast video anyday of the week atleast majorkill doesn't premote gatekeeping and actually encourages tourists/newbies and the lore experts to be respectful towards each other and atleast he's actively involved with the community

[@fuchsmichael93]

Fair to say he became one of the Pillars of the 40k Community. Not just the Major Minis, that we would never get from GW but all the amazing Artwork he commisioned.

[@Sparksparky1]

Thank the emperor hes active in the 40k community and is just honest about his opinions on certain subjects and doesn't try to premote gatekeeping and actually welcomes tourists so long as their respectful thank the emperor and the golden throne that majorkill didn't turnout like archcast who cries about politics and bitches about modern franchises being ruined and actively bullies channels even if that said channel is wrong

[@Commobe]

Answer: he is the best! I ignore him charging head on demonprincefulgrim, we all do stupid things while drunk.

[@Lazorvictory]

Being drunk in rage is no joke

[@Avoidthevoidx]

Horus was insecure about Gman. Always keeping him in his mind even when horus got the tittle of Warmaster he thought that Gman wanted the title for himself. Even during the heresy, horus was quoted saying guilliman knows war like he does. He just wish that he doesn't. And lamenting the fact that guilliman was not on his side. Russ on the other hand thinks that Gman is trying to hard to impress him. And he does not want to be close to any of them because of his role as Executioner.

[@noahmehringer29]

Weirly Leman never wanted to fight or kill any of his brothers. Even before his fight with Magnus he was trying to call him to be like "Just surrender and I'll take ya back, pick up the damn phone bro!" I think he was also the most vocal about not sanctioning Lorgar during the whole Monarcia situation. Leman's more human than most think.

[@ace_the_race9340]

About Ferrus, I believe if i recall correctly in Mr Bones? primarch relationship video Mr Bones? referenced a source in which ferrus and fulgrim were talking, fulgrim told ferrus that guilliman admired him greatly then ferrus told the feeling wasnt mutual.

[@oldashfifa]

I think after that it revealed his internal thoughts of being jealous of Guilliman and wishing he had his reputation instead of being seen as a brute force weapon

[@cheeseburger12]

​@@oldashfifa Okay because I thought I remembered the same thing.

[@myself2noone]

Yeah, he changed his mind on that one. There's a story where Ferrus was trying to prove himself to be named Warmaster, and by the end of it, Ferrus supported Guilliman for Warmaster. It's implied that he was jealous.

[@silenthero2795]

Ferrus actually thought Guilliman to become the Warmaster as he's the only Primarch who has a mini Imperium by the time he was found.

[@blankscrean]

Video idea: The greatest Imperial Guard commanders.

[@gameoveror7970]

So long story short Guilliman behaved like a actual statesman and general and his brothers hated that

[@IceWolfLoki]

Half of them thought "This has to be a trick" and refused to believe Guilliman was exactly what he appeared to be with little to no ulterior motives. They kept judging him by "what they would do". "He's trying to embarrass me because he's jealous!" No he's just giving honest advice and he would expect the same in return.

[@shinryu129]

​@@IceWolfLoki Also he admired a great deal of them. In fact he has a table in Macragge that has chairs for him and all of his brothers even the traitor ones. He wished that he can sit with all of them together and talk with each other.

[@bucketsoffun2878]

Sassy Warhammer lore time. Mondays don't suck anymore! Thanks man. Reading The First Heretic, so this is timely

[@yxngwood6536]

Day 1 of letting majorkill know his ads are waaay too long for such a short video

[@Zso-VIII]

If the Alpha Legion fully turned to chaos and adopted a chaos patron (like people are speculating the Iron Warriors will sort-of become the legion of Vashtorr), would it be Drach'nyen, Be'lakor or Malal/Malice?

[@jmgonzales7701]

hopefully malal

[@noahmehringer29]

In the Vashtorr Arcs of Omen book Be'lakor had some Alpha Legionaires following him but with how the Alpha's operate, I don't think they could ever be a true legion with a patron (T-Sons are already with tzneetch and he'd be the best fit for them honestly). Only way I see them coming back as a unified force is if Omegon returns (and even then I think they'd operate more as chapters)

[@primary2630]

Interesting that Perterabo probably actually liked Guilliman because he was able to build something instead of having to destroy. We all know Perterabo liked being a builder, so it's kinda wholesome that he built a sweet clocktower on Macragge

[@mikeylejan8849]

They hate him because he is sensible and aint him

[@nevilo1]

All the Primarch: You have a mon?! Not cool man, not cool. Vulkan: You touch mama blue? Oh, you better believe that's a Hammerlin.

[@trollman1296]

They hated/disliked him for having the only thing they never had, raised by a loving parents and a stable childhood.

[@darcsteel]

Hey Vulkan had a dad too and Dorn even had a blankie from his grandpa

[@gamechanger8908]

Corax had a large family on Deliverance too.

[@thedeadmanman7056]

Ye but he had a nice home and a mom dad and nice childhood

[@olorin3815]

@@gamechanger8908i mean sure but werent they all part of some kind of revolt i wouldnt say he had a stable childhood he just viewed wveryone around him as family didnt rly have mom and dad and chill childhood

[@gamechanger8908]

@@olorin3815 Regardless he had many role models to look up to. It's the equivalent of growing up in a third world country's large families. And judging from his interaction with Guilliman the thing he finds alien is all the fancy stuff he does. Though he tolerates it more than the time he visited Fulgrim's flagship.

[@tjpprojects7192]

They were jelly. He had a stable upbringing and loving family. He had his own little empire before he was found. His entire personality didn't revolve around who had the bigger sword, and who could play with theirs better. He could actually count numbers past how many fingers he had while NOT talking to demons. Etc... :)

[@TSInfiMa-r6z]

Corax likes him.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Rowboat:" I have waifu." [Every Primach hates that.]

[@TheWarmachine375]

8:18 It's weird why Mortarion dislikes Roboute Guilliman despite they never interacted much with each other and they met during the Triumph of Ullanor where Horus Lupercal was crowned as the Warmaster by the Emperor.

[@wokedog1799]

Mortarion hated everyone except I believe Konrad

[@olorin3815]

Eh dont think Mortarion rly hated him pre heresy and when they meet in 40k its really just hate because Guliman represents the loyalist side, Mortarion hated the Emperor above all others and Guiliman choosing Emperor side made poor Morty very mad 😂

[@olorin3815]

He also might have been jelaous because Guiliman actually had an empire before Emperor found him while poor Morty was barely surviving in a toxic wasteland before Emperor bailed his ass out

[@Stealthboy0318]

Bro the cool shit and support you show for the community is soo dooope

[@Romczy]

Envy. G-man achieved so much and remained sensible

[@jmgonzales7701]

He was just straight to the point and efficient no flair unlike a certain primarch

[@tjm11015]

2:28 ...You know the drill, skip the Majorkill😂

[@The8Disciples]

Simple, they were jealous. They may say he was boring or he wasn’t a great fighter or whatever but the truth was they were jealous of all he accomplished even before the Emperor found him and they were jealous of all he would accomplish

[@RoulicisThe]

Most primarch didn't hate Guilliman but rather some specific aspects of himself. Yes, Guilliman was efficient in his job, most than the rest of his brothers, but that's not really the part that was disliked about him, on the contrary he was respected for how competent and reliable he was. However, just like the rest of his brothers, he had issues... Sanguinius said it best during the horus heresy when he stayed on Maccrage : Guilliman is a politician, and he hated the role he had devised for him as symbol of the Imperium for his future projects. Guilliman was insufferably arrogant at times, to the point of competing with Leman Russ when it comes to Ego (which is a feat by itself). Always acting like "I know better so follow my plan", which tended to rub his brothers the wrong way and not just a little. It showed particularly with the splitting of the legions : half of the loyalist primarchs were against it, so what did Guilliman do ? He pushed it anyway, regardless of the opinion of his brothers and fact it could've led to another civil war. And despite it, his brothers still cared for him. Sanguinius despised the politician, but saw the brother behind that role he gave himself and loved what he saw there. Rogal respected him deeply, even though his insuferrable haughtiness caused him headaches. Jaghataï appreciated how reliable his brother constantly was, despite the fact he was constantly trying to keep him contained (the Khan hates when people tries to decide things for him) Etc. Just from memory, the two primarch that really disliked Guilliman were Lorgar and Horus, outside of these two, I wouldn't say that he was hated. He was no sanguinius, but he was no Konrad either.

[@eugeneflores6153]

And Corax like Guilliman since he could see the true self of the one he perceives

[@RoulicisThe]

@@eugeneflores6153 Indeed

[@FMLab-wu2fj]

Guiliman: why they hate me? Because im the only normal person around here!

[@willmosse3684]

Title: Why Did All The Primarchs Hate Guilliman? Video: Most of them quite liked him actually. Final sentence: Most of them hated him.

[@sigmundfreud7903]

Guilliman was smart enough to get 100% on his SAT tests without having to study for it. That’s why they hate him obviously.

[@neptuneplayz2567]

Guilliman has quickly sored into my top 5 primarchs after seeing how human he's become in the current setting. Plus I'm hella excited for the Blood Angel Draw, bought a gold boost to try and win. FOR BLOOD AND FOR SANGUINIUS

[@iloveemeralds4622]

Make a male version of the cosplay calendar now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edit:I’m a woman stop being homophobic in my replies everytime I post this.

[@galenbjorn443]

No, its gay Edit: Done care if your a woman, still gay. Ps, its not homophobic to call it gay. Grow up

[@SavageSairung]

Dykes who'd be bi curious for MajorKill Noods. Odd as it is this dude revs my engine. He's just got that special sauce. #Letsgetintoit!

[@emperorxander666]

Gay

[@punxrancid124]

Y r u geh

[@Hempman10]

Yeah women are gross and that’s gay

[@captncanobus]

Honestly a 15 minute video on pre heresy armors would be great since it looks like the hip protection of Russ, mortarion and it seems perto have the same pattern

[@marshalrather8008]

I love Guilliman, Primarchs are hard to relate to ofc - but the overarching philosphy of success for mankind and his people of Ultramar by the most efficient means possible always stuck with me. You don't have to have the most flash or the biggest sword (though now Roboute does), but Guilliman was consistent. He knew his purpose, he loved his people, and no shade on Vulcan but to me he's the most human Primarch. Courage and Honor never go out of style 😎

[@GambeTama]

I find it funny how, pre-heresy, virtually every relationship went Brother - "Roboute is such an irritable bore... but I guess he is reliable, so I guess I'll let him stay." Guilliman - "My brothers are so cool!"

[@BaLis7iK]

Honestly Perturabo building a clocktower for Gman is the biggest sign of respect he could give. Perturabo probably sees Macragge as beautiful, doesn't want to destroy nice architecture, and he probably had a good time building something that wasn't meant for war.

[@andyquinn3996]

Roboute to the other primarcs: They see me Exceling, they hating.

[@tortellini4686]

It was to be believed they hate him because when they were all reunited the emperor, he revealed that G-Mans super power was not being on the spectrum.

[@Suika_Ibuki_The_Drunk_Oni]

I think Guilliman is the only Primarch i could throw an insult at and not get pulverized for it. Hell he might even laugh at it if it was clever. ..Except Sanguinius. There i would pulverize myself because how could i have done something like that to hawk boy!?

[@DRATERI]

Good vid broski

[@Alpha-Primus]

Video idea, lately i have been really intrigued by chaplains, can you make a video of every type of chaplain or for some chapters ?

[@T-1001]

So to recap plenty of the Primarchs got on perfectly fine with Rowboat.

[@SigismundSonOfDorn]

Jealousy, mainly. Annoyance as well. That sibling who does everything by the book can be the source of perturbence. Angron hated him because he believed him to be pampered and not a "real" warrior, this also probably comes from a place of jealousy and resentment that Guilliman got to have a life and Angron was robbed of that. I always liked their dynamic

[@DaniG._.German]

Gulliman giving a speech to the Ultramarines: *THEY DON'T KNOW ME, SONS!!!*

[@ChairmanMo]

Roboute Guilliman had a healthy childhood where there was love, comfort and etc. A lot of the other Primarchs had a messed up childhoods.

[@eugeneflores6153]

And adding the miserable parenting and command by the Emperor

[@ddooodddoo]

They hate G-Man is because he used diplomacy first, assimilation 2nd and resorted to war as the last option and used superior war tactics

[@adrianmillard6598]

It's not so much that Guilliman is disliked, it's mostly that the content creator wants engagement on his video. So the love/hate will generate discussion.

[@xiulul1892]

Aye, I like that boost feature. Might as well join since I'm just getting into Warhammer and need a army

[@TheAsar]

Because Guilliman was the most potential heir. He got all the quality needed to rule the imperium.

[@noahmehringer29]

Most people actually thought Sangy was the heir apparent even above Horus. Proof was G-Man putting Sangy in charge of Imperium 2.0

[@Cornerboy73]

3:26 They were not on par with each other. Once Lion was found, he turned the DAs around and had them storming up the win list to the point where they surpassed the Wolves and were #2, only missing top spot to the Luna Wolves. This was a big reason why Horus didn't like Lion much; he was looking over his shoulder and marveling at his rapid success without knowing much about him.

[@sarethuskami5082]

Depends. Thing is the Lion (and many of his brothers) goes for the Total Anhilation type of war-fare. G-Man meanwhile goes for diplomatic acquisition of planets and even when he fights, tries to minimise damage and rebuild a working/loyal planet. So G-Man is 'slower' then others. On the other hand? He brings in planets that are loyal and are able to fully contribute to the Imperium and the Crusade immediately. The Lion...well the Imperium has to transport settlers and re-build infrastructure and take a few decades before his conquered planets would be anything worthwhile to the Imperium. ------------------------------------------------ This is not a knock on the Lion. The Emperor himself stated that he would be sending the Lion against enemies he wanted GONE and DESTROYED, etc. This is the type of war he was suited for. G-Man meanwhile was suited for a different type of war.

[@scribbles1424]

I always thought the dislike was because G-Man could pull the best Eldar tail and were jealous.

[@CryticalSeulin]

Best Primarch. It's enough humans like him, no need for all those dropouts to like him too.

[@jmgonzales7701]

personally if it werent for poor writing i would say goons like fulgrim could have been one of the best, if they just focused more on his good parts than his insecurities

[@Gibson7Clans]

Guilliman is the closest to being a seccesor of the Emperors throne. In fact the glory days of the Imperium would really have a chance to return with Guilliman as Emperor.

[@noahmehringer29]

Ironically G-Man was planning to retire as a farmer when the crusade ended and Ultramar was stable enough to be self governing. He wanted a quiet life which is kinda touching.

[@yamahadrag69]

The Title: Why did *all* the Primarchs hate Guilliman? The Video: "Well actually nobody really hated him except the insane traitor Primarchs. Even the loyalists that publicly disliked him still secretly admired him to some degree." In all my years watching the Mad Lad here, this video kinda feels like the first case of false advertising...

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

9:28-9:31 that desire wasn't subconscious at all: if i'm not mistaken, horus explicitly said in one of the heresy books that he wanted guilliman on his side

[@CaptainTrips123]

Vengeful spirit. Horus is talking to Maloghurst about a battle and mentions that Guilliman knows war just as well as he, but would never admit to it. That’s when Horus glazes Ferrus for being the true architect of war amongst the primarchs. Which, fair enough- he did lead an arm of the Great Crusade.

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

@@CaptainTrips123 doesn't he glaze guilliman too in that conversation?

[@saintsinningsword]

Diet Horus who didn't turn evil.

[@derpscythe]

Most importantly he wasn't bald

[@matt_9112]

So diet, Horus himself says G-Man should've been warmaster in one of the first Heresy books.

[@Stardustphantom97]

I think Horus saw Guilliman in the same light he did Garviel Loken. They are the the living ideal of what a Space Marines/Primarch should be, but due to the circumstances of war and Horus losing himself to chaos he has to destroy them and it hurts him deeply.

[@Paragon231]

Primarchs who had a positive view of him: Corax, Dorn, Vulkan and Sanguinius.

[@gambo3329]

In the corax novel it literally starts with an interaction between corax and guilliman. They had kind of a older(girlyman)/younger(corax) brother relationship

[@Tropicoboy]

Even the emperor was like I kinda don't trust this guy to not betray me

[@noahmehringer29]

Maybe because Ultramar is canonically one of the best places to live in 40K in all of the Imperium. It lacks a lot of corruption and pollution so common to other planets.

[@LordTzeentch]

Where we are placed, Magnus is truly favoured, and he has a place in Tzeentch’s realm. Thanks for what he did and didn’t do yet.