MAKE NOISE MATHS TUTORIAL ~ Eurorack analog computer module

[@neilfallon5998]

5 years late to the party, but this is, by far, the most concise and helpful Maths tutorial I've seen. TY!!!!!

[@QuimFont]

It is crazy that having so many examples, this one using only an lfo and a sinewave, and without an oscilloscope, is the clearest of all. Many thanks!

[@mindstuff417]

7 years late to the part and a super helpful video. Thank you :)

[@bjondersson]

Enable auto captions, and watch around the 15:30 mark. 😀

[@fully_privatized_mass_medium]

I know that I speak for a lot of people when I say you should know how much this clear explanation is truly appreciated. I'd really like to see how your relationship with this module has developed and what you have been using it for me.

[@emilykingan9503]

This is the best tutorial for Maths on the internet. Thanks for making it!

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

Legit, best Maths explanation!!

[@TroyBlackford]

I've had one for two years and I haven't understood it at all until this video. I've had a lot going on, almost none of it good, but it will be nice to mess with this now.

[@mcolville]

Dude THANK YOU so much! Maths is simultaneously the most ubiquitous module and the one I understood the least. I still have a long way to go, but at 13 mins in, I believe I understand this!

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[@josiethompson2420]

if sum is the equation ax1 + bx2 + cx3 + dx4, then it can essentially be thought of as the dot product {a,b,c,d}.{x1,x2,x3,x4}. So if you think of each attenuverter as the component of a vector, and each of the channels as the component of another vector, then the sum operation multiplies their two magnitudes and the cosine of the angle between them. or in other words: it projects one vector onto the other and multiplies their resulting magnitudes. crazy! Imagine the kind of complex math you can do with this if you really analyze what's going on each of the channels. Their voltages vary, but in ways that can be related to each other. This is really cool.

[@suanshine]

Best maths tutorial.

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks man!

[@cyberpunkbg140]

Totally agree with you very easy to understand how to use it :)

[@vmmunhoz]

i was not sure about getting a maths before this video. Now I am buying one for sure. Thanks for this nice lesson!

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks Vitor, enjoy the new module!

[@MisterNiles]

One? :) Maths is a thing of beauty. I want another one. Need another one. I might build a Random*Source DUSG in Euro first though.

[@robertsyrett1992]

I like to think of it as a dual universal slope generator flowing into a 4-channel attenuvering mixer. But I really enjoyed your graphical presentation. Edit: I think peaks is just as deserving of a 30 minute video as maths. It may not be as confusing to understand, but it is just as useful.

[@onceuponasynth]

I'll add it to my list :)

[@fakshen1973]

I was thinking about getting the Maths or the Rampage... I've made up my mind after watching this. Both. Arg!... :)

[@nlego5153]

Thanks for the review! Never wanted one, never will own one... but always good to refresh my knowledge of what i'm missing out on.

[@brendanbrohan5731]

Thanks for this terrific run through. I recently put together a rack which includes Maths and found it impenetrable. Looked at many KZbin videos but none of them explained what was happening or had too many unidentified modules connected to it so I couldn't replicate their patches. Yours is simple and clear and look forward to your other tutorials. Well done!

[@playboxadministrator9229]

Finally. A video on Maths that really makes sense. Thank you.

[@cureforlife]

yo this is great! watched loads of maths tutorials but only understand it after watching this one. thank you

[@guysmiley7289]

I just bought this and I get it Thursday. You explained this module very clearly, thank you.

[@onceuponasynth]

Awesome have fun with it!

[@sharpsetify]

Just got mine. Didn't know much about it, but I have an idea. I saw a Tycho post one time and he swore by a summing mixer. I now have a summing mixer eurorack module.

[@yannickboho3875]

I do like your tutoria... I jut bought the maths and I don’t have idea how to use it... after see you video I want wake up and go ahead with it but right now are 1am hhhmmmm THANKS!!!

[@durrgaga]

This is without doubt the best explanation of the Maths unit that I have recently bought to use with my Moog Mother 32 - thank you!

[@waltersmetak]

Man, another hit tutorial! Brilliant and exhaustively well explained! As good as your tutorial on the Morpho! Keep it up!

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks!

[@milesmacquarrie5851]

Thank you. This was a cool tutorial. I'm stoked you have started doing Eurorack tutorials. I have a pretty good grasp on my maths. There is one module in your rack that many have asked for better documentation and that is the uscale. If you did a full tutorial on that, it would be very much appreciated.

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks! I'll add the uScale to my list of tutorials, thanks for the suggestion!

[@Max-cz2qp]

Yes! A tutorial on the uscale would be very much appreciated.

[@milesmacquarrie5851]

Awesome tutorial on the uscale. Thank you!

[@Max-cz2qp]

Thanks man!

[@noi1989]

I enjoy your videos.. but I gotta say, by the time you're patching an LFO from Peaks to channel 1, all could think was.. "There's an LFO right there on channel 4!" If you want a waveform LFO, use the Unity or Ch4 output. If you need a square, use the EOC out. The self-patching potential is what makes Maths so good. Anyhow, keep up the good work.

[@uhoh007]

Thank you for another pull past the learning curve. Hope you are well :)

[@inhaulyt5295]

i was looking for maths lessons, i found what I didn't know I needed

[@salsoulkid]

Nice one man, still haven't got the most out of Maths, but this has given me some new ideas. Cheers

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks man, glad it triggered some ideas for you!

[@zauwee]

Excellent explanation. Great job. Thank you!

[@chrisarkenberg1789]

Thanks for such clear explanations. It might help to begin the video with a quick demo of the sounds as they are shaped by the component

[@onceuponasynth]

That's a good tip thanks, I'll keep that in mind for the next tutorials.

[@studentsmusic]

Great,, just reflected it on my Maths/Morphagene/Eurorack..getting deeper into it due to your excellent explanation. Thanx!

[@Pladdz12345]

Well done buddy and thanks for taking the time! I see now the possibilities with this module are quite endless🙃

[@Larry30102]

Super video!! Excellent teacher!! Many thanks!

[@SnakeOilJohnson]

Solid intro to MATHS.....Thanks!

[@floatershaw]

There,s a wealth of information in your tutorial i keep coming back for more good stuff and thank,s,,, for your help.

[@chitlun]

As a man about to dip my toe into the modular lake, this was invaluable! I have a bunch of semi modular synths and am looking, primarily, at a case full of tasty utilities and, of course, Maths is right on top of the list but I’m torn between this and Befaco Rampage? Eventually I’d like both but, which one would you, and anyone else, recommend I get first? Great video man, a new sub for thee here, cheers! 👍

[@00kieper]

short and preng, easy to understand. thanks

[@Sinesquares]

Such a great tutorial... To the point and so informative!

[@dwightpeters]

Excellent tutorial!

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks Dwight!

[@TROGULAR10000]

ok so i'm quite clear that this is the first time I've understood this unit. quite clear that your tutorial is one of the best but I'm still not sure how I would make music with it.

[@onceuponasynth]

lol I know what you mean. It's a tricky module. Even after understanding how it works it's still tough to put it into practice beyond the basics.

[@TROGULAR10000]

once upon a synth it'd be cool if you did a video on making music with it

[@onceuponasynth]

That's a good idea. I'll put it on my list.

[@zobbo123]

Great work, really clearly done and educational.

[@onceuponasynth]

Thank you, glad it was helpful!

[@kaleidophon]

Good work. Kudos for reaching for the equations ;p Keep em coming!

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks!

[@antoinemalroux6990]

A very helpful and clear tutorial ! Thank you much !

[@stefanbrekke2973]

Thank you for a easy to follow lesson🙌

[@pedrott6904]

Mate, you made it again. Thanks for the tutorial!

[@onceuponasynth]

You're welcome Pedro!

[@DavidBagshaw]

Fantastic description.

[@matthewy393]

great video, always had difficulty understanding what the bid hype around Maths was.

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks. Yeah Maths is a tricky one. Even now that I understand the basic controls, I still struggle to find creative applications beyond just the basics.

[@matthewy393]

once upon a synth I’m sure it’ll take a while to completely figure it out

[@dr.strangevelo6031]

That was super helpful. Thank you!

[@BLACKSUNR1SE]

very useful tutorial and a great breakdown, thank you!

[@onceuponasynth]

thanks, glad it was helpful!

[@frankanders1685]

Great tutorial, very well structured

[@mr.apartment]

thanks so much brother, great info , best vid i’ve seen

[@theboytheycalljonny1]

Excellently put together. Thanks!

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks!

[@MultiA3b]

Great video and explanation. Thanks a lot!

[@Aesprii]

What a brilliant overview! Well done!

[@onceuponasynth]

cheers, thank you!

[@SynthAddict]

nice work, just ordered a Maths :-)

[@fireking99]

Good explanation on a slightly complicated module - at least to a non-modular synth guy like me :)

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks Brian!

[@circles79]

clear and concise. thank you!

[@immersiveworlds]

Your reviews are outstanding!

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks!

[@theTerribleFamiliar]

This was fantastic. Thank you.

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks! glad it was helpful.

[@Sklang32]

I love my maths. I basically built a system 0 with an extra vca a multi and a rosie. Was gonna add a rxmx and wogglebug to the skiff.

[@sokoleski]

Supergood! Thanks for this ....perfect!

[@CodyXVXV]

Thanks for the video! Still trying to understand: what's the main difference between Cycle and Trigger inputs?

[@onceuponasynth]

The cycle input simple toggles the cycle on or off. it's like a gate input for pressing the cycle button. So as long as a gate is high in this input it will keep looping. The trigger input actually triggers the function. Hope that makes sense.

[@CodyXVXV]

@@onceuponasynth Got it. Thanks a lot!

[@silverwaterh]

Can the SUM be much greater than 10 volts, i.e. 30 volts? Can other modules safely handle more than 10 volts, i.e. the Moog Mother32? Your mathematical explanation has benefitted my understanding of this Maths module, exponentially. Tnx.

[@musictribetv9095]

Great break down. Thanks

[@roos3013]

thank you! very illustrative and understandable :)

[@anthonybrett]

Brilliant tutorial. Thanks for the effort. ;)

[@jodo985]

Amazing video. Thank you. Question for the masses, if I went another direction and bought a Function or Contour1 (basically Maths ch 1 or 4 only) Would I miss not having the rest of the Maths functions? are most people using all functions simultaneously ie the mixer, both slope gens, attenuators, etc? Im aware that it all depends on what Im trying to do. Just wondering in a real world scenario. This would be for noodling in the house, not creating the next masterpiece to give to the world😄. Just looking to save a bit of space and cash.

[@cp99music]

Well first thing to realize is that you’re not actually getting the full 1st and 4th channels of Maths, because neither Function nor Contour has built in attenuation. If you already have a ton of attenuation, inversion, offset, and mixing in your setup then you could probably do without some of the logic stuff especially if you don’t do generative patching or use complex modulation by combining multiple sources. However, if you don’t have a lot of utilities, you’ll probably be patching and think “damn, I wish I had another attenuator/mixer/offset voltage” and that’s where Maths comes in clutch. The best way to get the most out of a Maths like module in the least HP is probably the Cosmotronic Delta V which is two function generators and two VCA’s in 10hp.

[@aloncohen2841]

Super helpful tutorial. Any chance you'll make a make noise wogglebug video?

[@onceuponasynth]

I'll add it to my list! (I have an old generation one though)

[@aloncohen2841]

Thank you :) looking forward to it!

[@RneubauerBmore]

Great tutorial thank you!

[@flannsixtyseven7489]

Looks like i still don't understand it, so thats just a fancy LFO ? Maths was not my strong side at school.

[@fremder99]

Well done! I sub’ed and will check out more of your tutes!

[@johnbeuck587]

Such a cool module!!

[@wes2819]

thnx, very clear explanation.

[@drc-ek2zu]

Do you have a board that can do 256 bit binary into a discrete pattern?

[@leemarrett]

This is great, thanks!

[@onceuponasynth]

Thanks!

[@pseudomass]

great tutorial. where do you get those fat cables?!

[@liamsheehy]

Not certain, but they look a lot like the Nazca Noodles that Pittsburgh Modular sell.

[@dangala6915]

I hear no music

[@vinylwrap5571]

I sold my function. Will get a maths one day.

[@djformalin]

Very useful ! Thx mate !!!

[@in_10z]

Wow that helped so much!! Thank you!

[@dangala6915]

An elaborate siren

[@nelspotts5311]

Question: Why is it that I can't independently envelope or LFO amplitude using a gate without it controlling pitch? Seems pitch is always being manipulated when enveloping a gate. Am I missing something or is this an elephant in the room. And therefore can it not replace an ADSR effectively?

[@nelspotts5311]

Never mind. I guess I needed to understand my VCA/Mixer better. I'm trying to rewire my brain for CV.

[@AR_1979]

Thank you

[@findjonmoses]

How many units total can you plug into a 7u case?

[@aidanvinum]

Yes. Good stuff. Can the cycles be multed to affect two different oscillators ? Pardon the question, I am less than a novice.

[@onceuponasynth]

yeah for sure

[@aidanvinum]

once upon a synth What-no way! I am on the fence about the Make Noise shared system. My concern is the lack of voices. Coming from a conventional band and trying to make experimental noise music now. Puce Mary, Pharmakon, etc. Wondering if that system will do it.

[@PaulJBurns]

Excellent.

[@onceuponasynth]

thanks!

[@rumpafumpa]

Nice!

[@danielgrace7887]

So let me get this straight. The "S" output on the left is the shape (from the rise and fall) and the "1" output is the input signal on channel 1 attenuated by the same shape?

[@samlevine9639]

The S output (actually more of a old-timey F; this is the mathematical symbol for a function) and the 1 output both output the same thing, but the 1 output can be attenuated positively or negatively

[@whitenoisefromelectronicto1728]

This is great thanks a lot

[@trusto1016]

Can you teach an idiot like myself,lol? I just want to learn how to get one and do it. Such a beautiful thing to be into. Is there a book I can buy?

[@drlohertz8233]

At 20:55, " module doesn't respond to negative voltages…" Hmm, if only there was something you could use as an offset…

[@originalfallinggirl]

You are brilliant. Why won’t my brain function like yours?

[@onceuponasynth]

lol thanks. If all brains functioned like mine the world would be a boring place.

[@Sarahbuildsstepsequencers]

If you’re baked, sonic fun ensues at 11:08. 😎

[@apcut]

thanks, subscribed

[@onceuponasynth]

Welcome!

[@damiandassen7763]

5 OR 3 OR 0 OR 0 = 7, not 5 as you stated here 1:50

[@onceuponasynth]

So the "SUM" output would be 7. But the OR output outputs the highest value out of the inputs (in this case 5). From the manual: "It always outputs the highest voltage out of all the voltages applied to the inputs".

[@damiandassen7763]

once upon a synth i accidentally stumbled upon this video i'm here with a mathematical background. I guess that that OR function isn't the same as the mathematical OR function i searched for analog computer and this was the first hit. When i wrote that comment i thought that this was a genuine analog computer video. I didn't realize that this was about music

[@onceuponasynth]

Ah got it that makes sense.

[@manfrombkk]

mathematical bleeps and burps and farts. Personally I like your more melodic use of this gear. The more and more esoteric modules, it seems like not only do people go down deep financial holes, but never really get to master anything. And unless, one takes a photos of all the knob and patch cable positions, Its unlikely that, if one does create something musical(assuming that is even a goal) then they would never be able to get that patch back again. Of course, some people like our author here, actually might be able to, because he has a unbelievable knowledge of how gear works. IMHO of course. Oh the love of Modular :-)

[@onceuponasynth]

Yeah modulars are interesting beasts. I definitely need much more practice with it in order to coax something other than bleeps and bloops out of it. My goal with this eurorack box is to explore more experimental sounds because I already have too many traditional synths. I think the key for me will be utilizing a quantized sequencer or a standard keyboard and making modulation much more subtle. I was listening to this podcast the other day where they mentioned that modulars should be treated like traditional instruments in that you need lots of practice to get it to sound good. The problem is most people swap out module and re-configure the modular too often so it becomes harder to master one setup. Hopefully with enough patience and practice I will end up with something more melodic and pleasing. Thanks for the feedback!

[@juergenbranz]

what podcast was it? great video series btw!!

[@onceuponasynth]

Jürgen Branz Thanks! It was on the "Art + Music Technology" podcast, the episode where he interviews Tom Erbe (at around the 13:30 mark). artmusictech.libsyn.com/podcast-150-tom-erbe

[@juergenbranz]

once upon a synth ah yeah, was listening to that one too lately. top stuff. cheers!

[@reekhavok2724]

Very well done. Answers a lot of Q's!

[@bigkingsha]

This thing is like changing a diaper on 6-legged baby. Then, you gotta teach it walk. Layers of "complicated."

[@Lewp77]

for relaz

[@PandaPotPies]

watching this to understand how to use my befaco rampage

[@orangememes1826]

15:35 🚔🚨

[@Muck-qy2oo]

If there is a processor in it, it's not an analogue computer anymore.

[@RadicalCaveman]

Maybe a hybrid computer?

[@LeonTrimble]

@26:30 you crazy bastid