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[@terraancesanderswedvgettgo7393]

Survivors are definitely op. With every new season and transpheres they become more broken while raiders get nothing

[@ironcane]

I think coordinated survivors will always be slightly stronger than raiders

[@terraancesanderswedvgettgo7393]

@@ironcane even tho that's also true it's hard to shake that feeling of Imbalance and helplessness as a raider in some matches tho. And especially when you get unfairly teamed up but I digress. I'm having tho

[@derpatwerknsubbers1680]

Man, just watching how you’re playing you would really benefit from using Unconcious Control instead of You’re all going to pay, the squads you roll with regularly seem pretty cracked. Edit: Since the team is just letting you grab the Supers as well, go with a full battle build: Charming Pose and After-image at least.

[@ironcane]

with the lack of movement speed unconscious control helps a ton

[@derpatwerknsubbers1680]

@@ironcane In this video there were instances where you were dodging for like, 10-20 seconds at a time, and even said “I keep going in to land these vanish kicks, and I know I shouldn’t cause it doesn’t work.” while skirmishing. Unconscious Control changes that and you *can* go for those plays. You seem to have found a great niche after this with the tank build after this tho, so it’s all personal preference. Just a gamer backseat gaming, lol.

[@AlienEditsMemes]

Why are raiders so weak tho. Like a confident team could easily beat the raiders. Personally I think raiders should get evolution energy either while fighting or energy overtime. Personally I would choose while fighting so if you almost beat a survivor but they get away it was still worth the fight since they would get some evolution energy. What do you guys think the raiders need because the raiders are hilariously week.

[@U113_Majin_Aspra]

Frieza already gets energy from fighting tho. Same as Spopovich. Nappa also gets it from fighting, and I think our auto evolve raiders get it over time as well if they don't do anything although it's a small amount-ish.

[@Toshi141]

Play ginyu and even if you die you get increased level id say he’s one of the stronger raiders in the game and is very tanky if guldo survives

[@Fenneccinos]

no one will ever like hearing it but the best raiders still be losing to their games to lobbies that are mostly filled with Randoms. 95% of my game time is solo queue, and I win most of my games, it should not be that way in a asymmetrical title. I should be probably winning like 40% but I win 90%

[@Barooth100]

@@Fenneccinos 40-50%, that said if it was 90% close games no matter who wins thats almost perfect but its not that, its survivors obliterate or they can't do shit

[@Themasterjtg]

Cell has extremely efficient energy gain, with Civs and players being super juice packs Frieza gets evo energy from getting his ass clapped, as well as a spike should Shenron be summoned by Survivors and used Buu gets moderately less from Civs than Cell, but each absorb gives him HP (outside of Spop and Kid Buu) Team Vegeta has Saibamen technically auto-evolve (albeit a loss), Nappa gains evo energy from landing melees, and Vegeta can get nasty cooldown reduction to the blutz waves landing his volley or melee Ginyu Force all have auto evolve (outside of Ginyu) Broly gets good evo energy from dealing damage, as well as having supers that can eliminate Civs to also get evo energy They have plenty of ways

[@raburesurena8235]

I know Ironcane was going to die in that other match, the moment Broly chased his corpse down the mountain just to down him. That Broly raider was like "You think you can do this to me!?" Though, I'll be honest. I did not expect the mouth beam to been off cooldown that fast. XD

[@Justsomedude7]

Man after hitting A rank the teams are so much better. Only had 1 dickhead who refused to help so far. Otherwise the teams actually try to win. It's so nice to not feel like too many headless chickens are running around ruining things.

[@Shenron404]

8:50 the damage was a combination of your galick gun and my 10x God Kamehameha

[@inferno-lf1nu]

The fact you get cooked so easily even with the amount of Hp you have shows how much UC makes a difference

[@ironcane]

Tbf I think that had more to do with me playing bad and the Raiders playing well but ofc UC helps

[@Me_When_A_Funny]

Honestly nah, UC is just a waste of a passive slot if you don’t want to learn how to time your dodges against raider ki blasts, more-so Broly’s because of how easily you can get chipped out for just spam dodging

[@PulseBladeenjoyer]

@@Me_When_A_Funnyhow do you time your dodges against raider Ki blast? Broly’s powered up Ki blast seem impossible to dodge. I’m not sure if I should dodge towards them or left to right.

[@Me_When_A_Funny]

@@PulseBladeenjoyer From what I’ve figured out the tracking on Broly’s ki blasts are weird but only really for level 2 Broly’s- and that for the rapid 3 you only need to dodge once in the direction you’re flying just before the first blast would hit you, and you dodge all 3. I say specifically to dodge in the direction you’re already moving because sometimes the rapid 3 like to move in front of where you’re dodging and hit you if you do so otherwise. Powered up it’s the same thing but you might have to dodge twice depending on how close you are, Broly level 3 is very simple to dodge, but at level 4 with his recent ki blast buff I find it extremely difficult to dodge everything without eventually just getting chipped to death so just try to keep a distance or play around melee range

[@OOGA_BOOGA4]

And people say math is waste of time and here iron is using it

[@commenter178]

The pop off at the end makes make die laughing every time I watch it hahaha

[@kappakim1980]

Now stack that with the God Vegeta's passive for damage reduction in level 1 dragon change.

[@Shotsoma]

Survivors OP

[@lightshadow24]

You should put power unleashed on top of that for an extra bar for a bit before your actual transformation

[@NiteStrike]

19:47 that is such a waste of health 😂😂😂

[@JackFaust91]

community be like: rAidERs nEeD tO BE nErFed! Meanwhile Ironcane flyin around with 670 limit in lvl 2

[@GoldenKirby]

I love the idea of just going maxed out limit gauge, id love to just brawl the raider for as long as possible lmao

[@djhyuga9711]

Survivors are OP if they’re team are on the same point but if not the raider has a fighting chance. Raiders are OP if you know how to play that particular raider well and know the map, items, and get the dragonballs overall both sides have strengths and weaknesses

[@Vamps0nic]

Haha his enthusiasm in the end it's all the money 😂

[@Crashkid255]

Dude I’ve seen so many rider get rekt by people spamming kaioken Kamehameha build 😭 it’s insane

[@Popsu]

20:15 Is the moment where he blames us for “selling.”

[@ironcane]

hey hey hey I sold but there coulda been more people on stm

[@Specialist--]

Great video again Lroncane

[@IM_A_Bot886]

Just pulled power beyond power first multi

[@ironcane]

W

[@flynnmaxwell4089]

You should of used the ability where destroying building restores your limit gauge to have basically infinite limit

[@NeonS3X]

At this point Survivors are Raiders themselves 😢

[@thc-thehiddenclout2263]

Save a spot for destructive impulse

[@XJ9LoL]

Do you think this build is worth revisiting due to dodging being pointless unless you have trained by an angel?

[@t.20imgaming]

Yes…..!!!!!!!! Let’s Freaking Go……!!!!!!!!

[@bigpapan.g3245]

Shoulda added the Def boost. 10% defence would make the 670 equal to 737

[@ironcane]

that's for another video! 😈

[@bigpapan.g3245]

@@ironcane absolute maniac

[@OverZeelous]

31:07 "FEELIN' GOOD!"

[@kutaoizumi4189]

IRON SOLD OMG

[@ironcane]

🥸

[@MrXCoolManX]

SUPER-KYLE-KEN! here who played Ginyu Force. I was looking for Civs in A and B since they have the most in Dangerous Grounds. As for the downs after Guldo got vaporized I managed to down them with their spent DC. I thought I had some Dragon Balls and knew you had some but I didn't realize you snatched them... And if you did I wasn't expecting you to wish 30Ms away to get some time, I saw you IT a few times. That Kamehameha is huge, the blast that killed me didn't even touch me; I would have lost regardless. Also your LFG costed me my Z4. Can someone tell me when Recoome and Jeice took 1/5 damage from basic punches and nearly as much from vanishes?

[@ironcane]

ggs

[@NothingAtAIl]

No ones reading allat bozo 💀🤦‍♂️🫵

[@MrXCoolManX]

It's 7 sentences

[@baku5210]

This the same dude (TurtleTitan) who wrote that Reddit message 3 months ago. Idk man, you might not get the same respect from everyone else.

[@MrXCoolManX]

@@baku5210 he knows, he mentioned it the 6 different Livestreams since. The penultimate a week ago was really tame, and this time he opted to kept it quiet. Quite odd you committed it to memory since you have no stake in this whatsoever. You come off like the little sister squealing to mommy to get the brother in trouble. The irony is a lot of what I said is said by people in the Livestreams fairly often.

[@lightshadow24]

We need like a soul radar or something too

[@PossiblySleepDeprived]

This looks like a must for premades.

[@Geokuzan]

ALMOST 9 K SUBS, WE MAKING OUR ROUNDS!!!

[@agentclank8183]

I don’t want the video to be 5 minutes haha. *Looks at timer* Buddy you didn’t have to worry about it.

[@dadekroeger7279]

Gg iron you almost had me

[@pretender1456]

Ngl I was rooting for the raider in the second match.

[@MrXCoolManX]

I try.

[@dadekroeger7279]

Thank you

[@pretender1456]

​@@dadekroeger7279 No problem, I bet it was terrifying though.

[@MrXCoolManX]

@@pretender1456 I don't know why the other guy is pretending to be me but I had it until that wish happened. I expected IronCane to IT away since I saw him do it earlier. That soul passive and the fast Kamehameha were deadly.

[@AverageBananas12]

Does power beyond power stack with the active skill that lets you transform for a short period of time?

[@ironcane]

I don't believe so but I could try!

[@Fenneccinos]

wish you're going to pay wasn't so garbo, I hate that people can steal your souls from you. it kinda ruins the fun of this build imo

[@Jeff17360]

LOL those skills i believe lot of people only have half of it XD

[@Db-News09]

I swear using these souls with a survivor is just unfair, especially against broly

[@airlerself]

i really need that passive but i ain't spending 200 bucks for it

[@xionvixon3387]

Just grind

[@andrewsukhdeo1990]

I don't like player raider matches anymore 😂 I always get o.p mfs like you in my matches

[@khavontemobley7306]

The best way to beat broly imo is to civi rush broly and jump him

[@agentclank8183]

As far as I know Broly’s level 3 super does not hit in the air. Edit: I’ve been told it can hit in the air.

[@spider-soniczilla2989]

I think it can but only if you litterly stand completely still.

[@zdjhjsbfhushx]

no it can

[@adrianguaychulo]

@@zdjhjsbfhushx yes it can, if you stand still

[@zdjhjsbfhushx]

@@adrianguaychulo it can hit even if you move happened to me one time.

[@agentclank8183]

Thanks for the heads up I’ve never seen it hit in the air

[@Deadbyconnartv]

I'm still trying to get ssb goku lol

[@kendallwarner1901]

Negl, this might be some of the worst Iron gameplay I’ve ever seen.

[@DerrickMcDanielLucky1391]

I think the ranked system would've been nice but there's a problem. Survivor Teams is the problem. When I hear ranked I figure no team ups and rank one invididuals actions. Teaming up with other survivors seems like a 2 steps back situation that ruins the idea of a rank match. Remember Raiders have at best 6 abilities to work with vs survivors 56 and that, along with a 7 team survivor, is unfair.

[@ironcane]

That's why I've always said Raiders aren't OP

[@DerrickMcDanielLucky1391]

@ironcane That's not the point I'm getting at. Saying that kind of makes you a little bit like a jerk, just saying.

[@ironcane]

how does that make me a jerk? you are describing survivors being too strong by all playing together. I'm saying Raiders aren't OP because of that being a thing. Survivors don't even necessarily all have to be in a call, 7 players or at least 4 with good game sense and knowledge can feel like torture for even experienced raiders. You can disagree with me man, but there's no need to name-call. I know I get animated and aggressive in the vids, but I try to keep the comments respectful and civil.

[@DerrickMcDanielLucky1391]

@ironcane I didn't say you are a jerk to be honest. I only said it makes It sound like. I mean only replying with a simple answer without a lot of detail just passes off. I don't mind talking about it I'm just saying in my opinion survivors have too many abilities that makes them unfair especially if players are in a call together. Do you not agree that survivors have way too many abilities to just dance around the raider? 17 Barrier, unconscious control, time patrollers duty, your gonna all pay, and any stat modifiers easily breaks the game. Plus I mentioned in regards to rank matches being in a bad state as it is.

[@ironcane]

Yes 100% I agree, which is why I responded saying Raiders aren't OP. Raiders come with their base kit and can make slight improvements via upgrades that's it. Meanwhile Survivors get soft buffs per transphere drop. It'd be really cool if Raiders got more customization options.

[@supremestorms1242]

So imagine having a Build to tank and just throwing the game, that second game legit was so winnable though i like how you said don't spam supers and yet you did. And you have the balls to blame others because they didn't hit him, brother melee. Just melee. Anyways, dont call out people if they do the same, since well we have this now

[@ironcane]

Did you watch the video and heard what I said? Or did you just want to hit me with a gotcha lol. I mocked someone making this exact comment and low and behold someone still made it. I fucked up, yes. I called myself out for fucking up, multiple times. And yes, if it were someone else I would've been pissed. I was pissed at myself. But that doesn't mean I stop calling people out for making mistakes just because I make the same mistake, no one improves that way. This is the first time I've made that mistake in ages, I underestimated how much damage the STM had taken and spammed supers selling the game. In the future in a similar situation because of this game I will make sure it won't happen again. And if it does, it is a lesson of what not to do and to try to do better. Don't act like because I make mistakes I call out people for and make that mistake I can never call people out, because I will forever call people AND myself out. Everyone gets held accountable.

[@supremestorms1242]

@ironcane you act defensive in a way when called out like that, I'm just saying facts and yes you held yourself but then deflected on the team and starting saying buts there are no buts there. We make mistakes but it's how we handled them that is what makes us different, I ain't gonna deflect or cope as hard as you did also. Genuinely surprised got this statement from you, like legit you wouldn't expect a comment like that

[@ironcane]

@supremestorms1242 I didn't expect a comment like that because it isn't neccessary if I already called myself out lol. It's like messing up saying my bad and someone's like damn man you really messed up though. And you're like yeah I know my bad, and they're like yeah but you REALLY messed up though. It's just unnecessary. Also, the reason I bring up the team is because they could have also hit the raider off too. Of course as the super transphere that's primarily my job and I'm the best suited for it, but I was just mentioning the team in my defense because it wasn't like I was the only person that could've defended. You can call that deflecting or coping but that's just the truth.

[@supremestorms1242]

@@ironcane in any case still it is deflecting again it truly is, you are right there spamming super attacks and with a health that breaks a raider. And dude I don't know how to say this nicely but you should have a clear head and expect this type of stuff especially when you do it. You have done it to member of your stream and even if they do the same and mention points still you go harsh on them, sorry I'm the first to go straight at you and not just stay quiet but damn like learn. Learn what you do to others or say to others comes back to you. That's how I live and learned that's why if I call something out I know I am owed the same. So this is it that, all the stuff you say to others and do and even ask for evidence and they show it and still it ain't enough don't expect mercy when your at the end of it. Simple and done

[@ironcane]

@supremestorms1242 for the context of this video, I just don't think it's that serious. And please, I respect you calling me out, and to a certain extent understand with how harsh and angry I get at others, but to the level you went I just find it unnecessary. You are not the first to stand up to me lol like I'm some big bad bully. And yes, sometimes i do get hot responding because I'm salty but I'm always open to the conversation. I just find this one unnecessary because I fucked up, and profusely called out my fuck up. There's not much more I can do beyond that. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, that I'll get mine someday because I get angry? Lmao. I come at people crazy sometimes but it's all in good fun, if it goes to far I apologize. It's not that deep.

[@bleez973]

This game will never be good 😂😂

[@Slapgodd]

Hi

[@kellycampbell383]

First