Making an Overly Fancy Dust Collector Cart and Experimenting with a Dust Cyclone

[@TechnologyConnections]

I very much approve of the accents of brown

[@maybach6536]

I'm sure Mr. Regular from Regular Car Reviews would too.

[@BandBHawks]

That shade of dark orange really does complement that other shade of light orange!

[@AllAmericanCars]

Brown is my favorite color!

[@TTMR1986]

Still waiting on my brown scittle

[@sadmac356]

Brown? Don't you mean "dark orange"?

[@PaxtonSanders]

Overbuilt yet still Under Dunn. I like it!

[@garrettducat5769]

The reason you got a lot of blowby in that cyclone is twofold: The cyclone is likely too small for the flow of that shop vac. A cyclone requires a huge drop in air velocity for the dust to fall out. If the flow is too high then the velocity is too high and it won't fall out properly. There needs to be some distance between the blower inlet and the cyclone. This is a little more technical, but basically the velocity at the blower inlet is much higher at certain points in the pipe cross section than other parts. The high velocity sections carry dust, then the dust clogs, then the high velocity section moves, more dust clogs, etc. Eventually the whole inlet is clogged. Adding about 5 pipe diameters of length allows the flow to "develop" and be more uniform when it exits the cyclone. I know what you're thinking: "why should I trust this random handsome guy in the comments section?" Well, I'm an HVAC engineer that specializes in industrial ventilation, so I've done this once or twice.

[@Crewsy]

You’re an engineer and you can explain it in layman’s term. Well done. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@groundzero_-lm4md]

Is there a formula for the size of cyclone needed vs air flow? On household vacuums they use a lot of small cyclones.

[@garrettducat5769]

@@groundzero_-lm4md I do not have a formula for sizing cyclones. It would depend on the nuances of the design per the manufacturer. Manufacturers will publish an airflow range for their cyclone, so you need to ensure your flow is in that range. Generally, do not exceed 2/3 or 3/4 the listed capacity of a cyclone because manufacturers tend to overpromise.

[@stormchaserkj]

Yep... removing the filter and shorting the distance caused too much airflow But I loved the project and have subscribed!

[@eDoc2020]

Is the distance part of why the final version seems to work so much better? The loop of PVC pipe looks to be well over 5 diameters in length.

[@BandBHawks]

There's something so _pleasant_ about your editing, especially in the woodworking series. Great work as always!

[@acoffeewithsatan]

Perhaps the lack of lofi background music (which I much like, but it grows old) and instead just the sound of his machinery?

[@benjaminmiddaugh2729]

It probably has something to do with the fact that he's clearly having fun with the editing, so some of that comes through to us.

[@InstrucTube]

4:32 That is some This Old Tony level shop magic. Very nice.

[@_rlb]

Robert: "I'm making an overly fancy dust collector cart" Also Robert: "My small dust collector cart. Nothing fancy" (14:44) Looks good with the glass panels and walnut trim. Excellent video :)

[@TheBlueMuzzy]

The non-linear editing on this is fantastic! I haven't seen a video do this in the woodworking scene in some time. I think when you aren't showing details/how-tos on something, and just the process/progress of a project, this is an excellent format. I do prefer how-tos and insights into process and order of operations, though you just shifted from woodworking focus to problem solving focus, which I can also appreciate. Well done. Love the humor in this channel, and the constant upgrades in quality have been noticed!

[@larsaugust1469]

Your storytelling and editing is on point!

[@ralphlongo1975]

Absolutely brilliantly written and edited, seriously, letting us watch you build the newest one while telling us about the past trial and error was absolutely perfect. Perfect.

[@bread-gz3rl]

The only trailer the trabant can tow

[@High-Tech-Redneck]

never use 90 degree bends, however, thanks a million for building something with a throw away vac! Few people repair or repurpose anything. Thank God this vac didnt end up in a landfill! Good job grasshopper

[@Bloodray19]

I absolutely love how you incorporated two pieces of glass into your build. An easier option would have been acrylic, but that would get scratched to oblivion with time, this won't. Genius

[@mattb4721]

This video is like my own DIY in a nutshell. Spending days trying to solve a problem that you have needlessly created yourself in the first place.

[@nunyobidness993]

That "Router Table" setup you have is only mildly terrifying.

[@timothywhite6532]

yeah .... but only 'mildly"

[@JasperJanssen]

Speak for yourself, I’m very terrified.

[@ronjones4069]

I wonder if he is going to post his fingers getting routed off. When a table saw chops off your fingers, sometimes they can sew them back on, but with limited usefully for the rest of your life, but a router makes hamburger meat of your fingers and you spend your life with nubs if you are lucky and don't have nerve damage which can lead to never ending pain.

[@mcrawford7117]

This guy's indefatigable, upbeat attitude in the face of obstacles is reason enough to watch his videos.

[@databanks]

by far the prettiest dust collector I've ever seen, thank you for sharing

[@libertynow]

Your video editing has the excellent timing of a musician/comedian. Bravo.

[@SwearingMuffin]

Love the editing style in this! The cyclone information sections separated by the production sections of was very different and very interesting!

[@mtutty]

You might be the funniest, wittiest of all the woodworking KZbinrs. Well done.

[@rpavlik1]

Smart use of a flush trim router bit and some straight wood to clean up an uneven cut. I'll have to remember that. Go watch the Stumpy Nubs video and make a table saw blade guard 😁

[@joe08867]

Looks great. It's nice to see someone take pride in their work. Well done.

[@raymitchell9736]

I like the way you explained your thought process on solving a problem, and you're not alone, I thought the same thing of "eliminating the middle man" however I'm glad I didn't attempt to make it myself... you made me realize that it's more complicated than doing the obvious... still not sure _why_ it failed, maybe it has to do with the length of hose to the shop vac? Anyway very interesting, thank you for taking us along for your journey! If you need to make a dust bin for easy emptying, consider a plastic bin, you'd have to modify the front of the cart by making it a door that you can open and the bin can slide out, so if I build something similar I might go vertical to conserve shop space... hmmm... now you've got me thinking... and that's probably not a good thing. 😁🤪😜

[@24revealer]

I'm glad you showed the dust dropping into the bin, made my day.

[@invento123]

Dude that thing looks so awesome! I love the walnut accents and it just looks so compact and well designed! 10/10

[@neino36]

I had to do a double take on the trick of dropping the brown block and fracturing into 4 smaller blocks. Excelently done! Amazing video!

[@ronstudd3788]

Very much enjoy your commentary throughout all off your videos, as they provide a great window into your thought process, including what didn’t and did work. I’m now inspired, here early in a Sunday morning, to complete my shopvac cart. Thank yiu!

[@jaraii442]

While I don't intend to make a cart, your final design is similar to what i want to include in my bench, and this video has definitely helped me nail down some of the remaining thoughts I had kicking around. Thank you for making this!

[@unclebedhead9099]

Your big dust collector bag looks perfect for painting it to look like the inflatable autopilots from the movie AIRPLANE!

[@1RAH]

I just finished my version of this today, thank you for inspiring me and providing enjoyable light hearted entertainment

[@kalleklp7291]

I bought such a small cyclone from eBay it's about 10 $. Had it laying around for 2 years now and I'm about to finish my workshop. For what it is it's very efficient. Like you, I made a solution with a vacuum cleaner engine and the cyclone connected in series. The whole shebang is outside so I don't have to listen to the noise it makes. I made a box for my compressor and it's also the place for the dust collector. It works quite nicely. :)

[@GraceSerenityK]

It's a hell of a flex to make your shopvac look that nice!

[@CharlesSmith-io9fp]

I like the fact that you don't take yourself too seriously. That makes for an entertaining yet educational video. Liked and subscribed.

[@arimadx]

That's the most beautiful for no reason dust collection system I've ever seen and I totally approve sir

[@adamwishneusky]

The walnut and glass are super classy 👌

[@pawpawstew]

Rube Goldberg ain't got nothing on you. I appreciate your humor and your enthusiasm for experimenting. Subbed.

[@hjartland]

Sweet. A lot like mine, but no need for the Dust Deputy. My Dustopper works great! And is way shorter the the over rated DD. It sits right on top of a 5 gallon bucket. The bottom is cut out to allow for a huge dust reservoir. Then it has a table top above the Dustopper & shop vac. It is all built into an old cart. The unit acts as a portable shop vac cart, assembly / feed-out table, and a rolling power strip. Looks rough, but works very well. :)

[@ve2vfd]

Since you put windows, now you need to put LED lights inside the dust collection bin ;) just because.

[@keithroberts7502]

Ohhh yesss. Blue while running normally changing to Red when full. (And therefore ready to be sucked clean with a bigger vac, which, when that gets full gets sucked clean by an even BIGGER vac made purely out of Bubinga and Purple heart. Why... because well... otherwise, "it's annoying" lol).

[@martinoamello3017]

@@keithroberts7502 Good idea,, Progressively larger and larger shopvacs for all eternity.. Over the past several years in my *dust collectionless* shop I've had to scoop up probably a half ton of sawdust of various types with my high tech shovel and broom.. Enter the B&O railroad building a train spur to carry away the many shopvacs from years and years of....Well...you know..

[@ForestWoodworks]

I know it's another video, but love love love seeing the table saw makeover in the background!

[@eustacehyliger3487]

Love the design. Thanks for sharing. Really enjoy your humour.

[@RonAday]

I really love this channel. I think what is most enjoyable is the way you design-on-the-fly. I used to do that, and sometimes still do. Nothing more fun than spontaneous engineering. :)

[@PendragonDaGreat]

inb4 Frank responds to this video by making a dust collection cart entirely out of walnut

[@martinoamello3017]

I'm skipping the walnut and using solid gold so everyone will know I'm not fooling around with mere wood trim..

[@dermaxamillion]

The 21st Century Hammer Action while glueing the parts together Good stuff!

[@philgray4780]

Hi Robert, I do enjoy your videos, you seem to have a good time doing your stuff. I actually did this before you and tried the cyclone and discarded it, put the pick up tube in the side creating a cyclone. While it works as well, the filter still gets clogged with very fine particles . Mine does not lookas pretty as yours . Keep doing what you do , I'm always happy to watch your videos. Really enjoy your style

[@bozidar.dimovski]

Genius at work!with great commentary to boot. Thanks

[@mariangraham9074]

I got into woodworking over a year ago to build a piece of furniture I need/want in my house. Thankfully I've been making other stuff instead so far cuz I can totally relate to "nothing I make looks good"! Lol. Glad it's not just me. Altho I guess I'm alone again cuz that is VERY pretty!😝

[@marcoloos9395]

I have less sawdust to clean, so I just took the bin of a Dyson DC05 and connected it to an old industrial vacuum cleaner (only 600 watts) which can run all day long without being overheated. Works great!! 😄

[@garywoo3]

Love that you shared the trial and error process. Great video! Keep em coming.

[@kdouglaslee]

That was fun to watch! Love the idea, especially the glass windows.

[@tomicarr90]

I came for the cars but stayed for this awesome creativity! I wish I could make things 😅 love it! Great editing too!

[@danieltaylor8347]

I too have been marveling over Frank's Frankenvac setup. I like your build because you didn't use a CNC to perfectly cut ever part. It's a great build. I want to learn how to CNC and do video editing so I can animate clamps to crawl across the screen...

[@tunespt]

My cyclone (made by dyson :D ) has a compresion funnel, outside looks like yours, about double the diameter, and, has another cone inside of it, the air comes into the cyclone and is compressed while spinning, the inner cone, ends around an inch, before the outter cone, air has to take a sharp bend to go up into the vacuumizer. Then is goes into a paper filter, about the size of yours. I vacuum cement (from drilling, and breaking walls), sawdust and even my shop floor with it, the deposit fills several times, a lot of times, before the vacuum power level starts to show up. The power level is just two like a syring where the inner part is spring loaded, the more power the motor makes to vacuum, the more the meter shows up in the window, very common with old hoover home vacs to indicate a full vacumm bag.

[@shannonvaughan4385]

FANTASTIC! Anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

[@marthamryglod291]

I've used the cyclone to good effect with drywall sanding, concrete grinding, and wood shop. I have a cart for it connected by a shop vac hose to my shop vac. It's bulky but will fill four five gallon buckets before the filter needs tapping.

[@ashokponnappan8914]

Really appreciate the non linear edit 👍

[@daverahn1711]

I think you should take cue from Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz and add "inator" to the end of everything you build. Dust collector-inator with self destruct button

[@Crewsy]

You may have watched too many “kids” cartoons. On another note. Perry the Platypus is an awesome secret agent because at first glance he just appears to be a lazy platypus.

[@fredericrike5974]

And it works! Good on ya, Robert!

[@adamsturgeon1576]

Great idea! I got a new dust collector and been thinking of modifying my shop vac and cyclone to fit into something smaller

[@drcarrot415]

4:03 did anyone else hear part of the 20th Century Fox title card?

[@psiclops521]

My dust collector is a wet/dry vac hooked up to a five gallon bucket with some horribly jerry rigged stuff and PVC pipe. Works perfectly.

[@stevenkeeffe]

I really enjoy your editing style and sense of humor. Oh, yeah, nice dust collector, too.

[@gsh341]

I really like that. As far as emptying the dust you collect, maybe try making one side of the dust collector a slide out drawer that you can pull out and empty. It would have to have it's own windows, but it would make it a lot easier to empty.

[@desertman3]

It's beautiful!🤣🤣🤣I recently discovered your channel and after watching a couple of videos while chuckling I had to subscribe. I'm new to wood working but I have suggestion for emptying the dust collection section. Why not install a large plastic trash bag in that section? Once the bag fills up remove, empty and, reinstall. Of course you will have to find something else to do if you get bored and, if it works. Because the glass will only allow you to see when the bag is full.😁

[@ramonocasio9573]

Box came out great. Keep doing what you doing.👍👍👍👍

[@josephreed8310]

That is a great vacuum cart!! I too would be proud of that!!

[@Daybreakerflint]

Nice job! I love how you went through the itterations!

[@zaraak323i]

The Dunnder Duster 3000! I'll show myself out.

[@thelasriseffect]

Have you considered making a drawer for the dust collection side? Maybe use the Baltic Birch and Walnut, like you did the cyclone top, for the front. Use baltic birch for the bottom and rear of the drawer and use clear plastic for the sides so you can still use your windows. Then you can use those knobs to seal it when it is closed. Just an idea, so you don't have to use another vacuum to empty it.

[@heIIy]

if this became the main channel, i wouldn't even be mad. i'd still be pleased.

[@Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

What is the main channel?

[@MichaelNiculae]

That's a thing of beauty, right there. Well done, mate

[@PortersMob]

Honestly when looking at the costs and effectiveness of pre made cyclone and baffle separators for wood working. I ended up building my own Thien baffle out of some 3/4 plywood and pvc scraps I had laying around. I would say it works a million times better then any of those cyclones. The 30 gallon can I built it on has been filled and emptied about 8 times now and still have the same bag in my vacuum.

[@raffaelesala992]

Well done Robert! A great job!

[@magman519]

I've always wanted to try two cyclones in series.

[@mumblbeebee6546]

I have - it can be very effective. See +Garret Ducat ‘s reply to why it is a little more complicated than throwing kit together :) But the cascades work well if you size the hoses right - first bucket has 98% of the crap in it, the second bucket has fine powder in it and the vac filter lasts a looong time. But since I lacked the workshop and Dunn’s skills (and, frankly, stylish design eye) I got tired of balancing the stuff and went back to one bucket - and regular washing of vac filters :)

[@ve2vfd]

Also known as the 2020 hurricane season. ;)

[@artalonzo8581]

Looks great. My suggestion is to make a big box drawer that you can pull out and remove u r dust. And yes you can make u r drawer with glass so it can match the side of u r collector . That's my 2 cents..

[@paulwestlake4278]

Good job, not overly complex by my standard, but effective. Keep it up.

[@carlbrothers]

Awesome video! Love seeing all the iterations of, Tried this, nope, didn't work as expected.... Might want to grab some fleece cloth and make a filter cover or just but a filterpal bag to go over the filter to keep all of the fines out of your actual filter.

[@IrisGalaxis]

5:40 very ingenious setup.

[@GeoSphere]

Hahahaha. I loved your video. It kept me interested and watching all the way through!! Fantastic project and I really appreciated the way you told the story showing the construction of the project while telling the background story. Very eloquently told.

[@piggybakkers]

Good video. Great self depricating sense of humour!

Really like your videos with a glimpse of humor, nice work

[@jamescurran2275]

You could cut the side off and slide a clear tote in the dust deputy side for easy emptying. And for looks and to keep the air pressure going attach an access panel with magnets

[@woodprojectswithalex2692]

Definitely, I love your job, but more than that, I love so much your personality behavior while you provide KZbin video.

[@MRCNC1967]

Great, now I have box envy.

[@pointblankokc]

That was awesome ! I learned something and giggled all the way through. Good job dude.

[@Smutjetk]

I know its been a year almost but a german youtuber by the name of let's bastel, he build what you want but more compact and works really well

[@allareasindex7984]

You’re going to empty the dust collector with another dust collector? How do you empty that one? Is it turtles all the way down?

[@kathrynwhitby9799]

best option would be to add a trap door in the bottom, to drop the dust into a sack.

[@austinhastings8793]

I'm learning a whole lot about ways to NOT build a dust collection system! Thanks!

[@BruceAUlrich]

Interesting to learn the findings. Thanks for sharing!

[@timderks5960]

A suggestion: Instead of having to lift of the lid, you could add a blast-gate kind of thing to a side, so you can simply hold your big dust collector's hose against that port, open it up, and have the dust be sucked out. I guess it won't be needing a clean that often, but taking the PVC off, removing the lid, it'll probably feel like a hassle.

[@zafarsyed6437]

Couple of toggle clamps- just in case you wanted it extra secure... and they'll work perfectly w/ the walnut and birch top

[@brenthiggins6253]

Excellent build. Thanks

[@78tag]

I'm glad you cleared that up in the last half. I thought you changed your mind and decided to make a toilet seat. :)

[@robertd1p2]

I was going to suggest ~ attachment of a flowbee or robocut to that cyclone but one look at your melon and that sick-cut, hell - your light-years ahead of that action, kick-ass Robert.

[@thomashverring9484]

Very nice dust collector cart thingy! Something that might not be too difficult to do later is to add a drawer that can be pulled out from the end when it's full. It can even have panes of glass matching the exterior, so you can still see what's going on! With a drawer you can use the entire collection part of the box-and all you have to do is saw a hole in the end of the cart :^) I love your videos! You are a very funny guy, you are!

[@rikityrik]

Good idea, I was thinking of a trap door on bottom so he could set it in a trash can and swing it open to let the sawdust out, but your idea would be way more convenient.

[@thomashverring9484]

@@rikityrik A trap door sounds like a good idea, or maybe one you pull aside over a trash can?

[@andrewbrown8148]

Wow, good job and great explanation. If you continue trying to improve upon your design, an alternative to sucking out the contents with your other shop vac might be to convert the end to a sliding panel. Might be too much of a "re-do", but just an idea. With the end panel being able to slide out of a rabbet (or however done), you would be able to just turn the box on end. Thanks for sharing~!

[@stephenboots]

Your videos are a joy to watch -- informative and amusing at the same time. 😄

[@TheWolfster001]

Loved it.. I found your story, more interesting then the actual build, but if you leave it like it is, it looks very easy to clean out.. I believe a much larger version, maybe 5x larger would make a great whole shop vac system.. Just a thought.. Could be a next great project.. You know that sounds cool... Again, loved watching.. I await your next build...

[@ColinCochranT11]

Awesome design, btw you're pretty ballsy with that router my man

[@johnsimpson99]

You are absolutely hilarious. The Mr. Bean of woodworking. Great video, keep up the good work!

[@timothywhite6532]

Well Done Robert!!

[@Tensquaremetreworkshop]

I have been playing with similar arrangements for some time. My interest was in reducing the noise. Brushed motors (needed to get the RPM, over 10,000, to give sufficient vacuum) are inherently noisy- anyone who has replaced a router with a VFD 'spindle' (brushless 3 phase inverter driven motor) on their CNC machine will know the difference. I built an extractor using such a motor (capable of 24,000 RPM) but sadly the noise was just as high and more annoying frequencies- seems like the impeller is also very noisy! Great suction though- I had to dial it down because the vacuum hose to my tool would shrink and try to pull the tool out of my hand. I tried surrounding the motor with three layers of insulated ply, with little affect on the noise level. Think it will take concrete. My CNC machine has a cyclone/bucket unit followed by a motor/impeller from a vacuum cleaner which is mounted in a box, flexibly mounted in a box which is flexibly mounted to the wall. With a speed controller (so I can match the vacuum to the need) it is sufficiently quiet for the several hours it sometimes takes to cut a big project. Just wish I could do the same for my workshop extractor.