Making an Overly Fancy Dust Collector Cart and Experimenting with a Dust Cyclone

[@TechnologyConnections]

I very much approve of the accents of brown

[@maybach6536]

I'm sure Mr. Regular from Regular Car Reviews would too.

[@BandBHawks]

That shade of dark orange really does complement that other shade of light orange!

[@AllAmericanCars]

Brown is my favorite color!

[@TTMR1986]

Still waiting on my brown scittle

[@sadmac356]

Brown? Don't you mean "dark orange"?

[@garrettducat5769]

The reason you got a lot of blowby in that cyclone is twofold: The cyclone is likely too small for the flow of that shop vac. A cyclone requires a huge drop in air velocity for the dust to fall out. If the flow is too high then the velocity is too high and it won't fall out properly. There needs to be some distance between the blower inlet and the cyclone. This is a little more technical, but basically the velocity at the blower inlet is much higher at certain points in the pipe cross section than other parts. The high velocity sections carry dust, then the dust clogs, then the high velocity section moves, more dust clogs, etc. Eventually the whole inlet is clogged. Adding about 5 pipe diameters of length allows the flow to "develop" and be more uniform when it exits the cyclone. I know what you're thinking: "why should I trust this random handsome guy in the comments section?" Well, I'm an HVAC engineer that specializes in industrial ventilation, so I've done this once or twice.

[@Crewsy]

You’re an engineer and you can explain it in layman’s term. Well done. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@groundzero_-lm4md]

Is there a formula for the size of cyclone needed vs air flow? On household vacuums they use a lot of small cyclones.

[@garrettducat5769]

@@groundzero_-lm4md I do not have a formula for sizing cyclones. It would depend on the nuances of the design per the manufacturer. Manufacturers will publish an airflow range for their cyclone, so you need to ensure your flow is in that range. Generally, do not exceed 2/3 or 3/4 the listed capacity of a cyclone because manufacturers tend to overpromise.

[@stormchaserkj]

Yep... removing the filter and shorting the distance caused too much airflow But I loved the project and have subscribed!

[@eDoc2020]

Is the distance part of why the final version seems to work so much better? The loop of PVC pipe looks to be well over 5 diameters in length.

[@PaxtonSanders]

Overbuilt yet still Under Dunn. I like it!

[@BandBHawks]

There's something so _pleasant_ about your editing, especially in the woodworking series. Great work as always!

[@acoffeewithsatan]

Perhaps the lack of lofi background music (which I much like, but it grows old) and instead just the sound of his machinery?

[@benjaminmiddaugh2729]

It probably has something to do with the fact that he's clearly having fun with the editing, so some of that comes through to us.

[@_rlb]

Robert: "I'm making an overly fancy dust collector cart" Also Robert: "My small dust collector cart. Nothing fancy" (14:44) Looks good with the glass panels and walnut trim. Excellent video :)

[@InstrucTube]

4:32 That is some This Old Tony level shop magic. Very nice.

[@larsaugust1469]

Your storytelling and editing is on point!

[@TheBlueMuzzy]

The non-linear editing on this is fantastic! I haven't seen a video do this in the woodworking scene in some time. I think when you aren't showing details/how-tos on something, and just the process/progress of a project, this is an excellent format. I do prefer how-tos and insights into process and order of operations, though you just shifted from woodworking focus to problem solving focus, which I can also appreciate. Well done. Love the humor in this channel, and the constant upgrades in quality have been noticed!

[@ralphlongo1975]

Absolutely brilliantly written and edited, seriously, letting us watch you build the newest one while telling us about the past trial and error was absolutely perfect. Perfect.

[@mtutty]

You might be the funniest, wittiest of all the woodworking KZbinrs. Well done.

[@bread-gz3rl]

The only trailer the trabant can tow

[@Bloodray19]

I absolutely love how you incorporated two pieces of glass into your build. An easier option would have been acrylic, but that would get scratched to oblivion with time, this won't. Genius

[@libertynow]

Your video editing has the excellent timing of a musician/comedian. Bravo.

[@databanks]

by far the prettiest dust collector I've ever seen, thank you for sharing

[@mattb4721]

This video is like my own DIY in a nutshell. Spending days trying to solve a problem that you have needlessly created yourself in the first place.

[@SwearingMuffin]

Love the editing style in this! The cyclone information sections separated by the production sections of was very different and very interesting!

[@mcrawford7117]

This guy's indefatigable, upbeat attitude in the face of obstacles is reason enough to watch his videos.

[@nunyobidness993]

That "Router Table" setup you have is only mildly terrifying.

[@timothywhite6532]

yeah .... but only 'mildly"

[@JasperJanssen]

Speak for yourself, I’m very terrified.

[@ronjones4069]

I wonder if he is going to post his fingers getting routed off. When a table saw chops off your fingers, sometimes they can sew them back on, but with limited usefully for the rest of your life, but a router makes hamburger meat of your fingers and you spend your life with nubs if you are lucky and don't have nerve damage which can lead to never ending pain.

[@pawpawstew]

Rube Goldberg ain't got nothing on you. I appreciate your humor and your enthusiasm for experimenting. Subbed.

[@invento123]

Dude that thing looks so awesome! I love the walnut accents and it just looks so compact and well designed! 10/10

[@High-Tech-Redneck]

never use 90 degree bends, however, thanks a million for building something with a throw away vac! Few people repair or repurpose anything. Thank God this vac didnt end up in a landfill! Good job grasshopper

[@drcarrot415]

4:03 did anyone else hear part of the 20th Century Fox title card?

[@CharlesSmith-io9fp]

I like the fact that you don't take yourself too seriously. That makes for an entertaining yet educational video. Liked and subscribed.

[@joe08867]

Looks great. It's nice to see someone take pride in their work. Well done.

[@raymitchell9736]

I like the way you explained your thought process on solving a problem, and you're not alone, I thought the same thing of "eliminating the middle man" however I'm glad I didn't attempt to make it myself... you made me realize that it's more complicated than doing the obvious... still not sure _why_ it failed, maybe it has to do with the length of hose to the shop vac? Anyway very interesting, thank you for taking us along for your journey! If you need to make a dust bin for easy emptying, consider a plastic bin, you'd have to modify the front of the cart by making it a door that you can open and the bin can slide out, so if I build something similar I might go vertical to conserve shop space... hmmm... now you've got me thinking... and that's probably not a good thing. 😁🤪😜

[@ronstudd3788]

Very much enjoy your commentary throughout all off your videos, as they provide a great window into your thought process, including what didn’t and did work. I’m now inspired, here early in a Sunday morning, to complete my shopvac cart. Thank yiu!

[@1RAH]

I just finished my version of this today, thank you for inspiring me and providing enjoyable light hearted entertainment

[@24revealer]

I'm glad you showed the dust dropping into the bin, made my day.

[@jaraii442]

While I don't intend to make a cart, your final design is similar to what i want to include in my bench, and this video has definitely helped me nail down some of the remaining thoughts I had kicking around. Thank you for making this!

[@RonAday]

I really love this channel. I think what is most enjoyable is the way you design-on-the-fly. I used to do that, and sometimes still do. Nothing more fun than spontaneous engineering. :)

[@philgray4780]

Hi Robert, I do enjoy your videos, you seem to have a good time doing your stuff. I actually did this before you and tried the cyclone and discarded it, put the pick up tube in the side creating a cyclone. While it works as well, the filter still gets clogged with very fine particles . Mine does not lookas pretty as yours . Keep doing what you do , I'm always happy to watch your videos. Really enjoy your style

[@neino36]

I had to do a double take on the trick of dropping the brown block and fracturing into 4 smaller blocks. Excelently done! Amazing video!

[@arimadx]

That's the most beautiful for no reason dust collection system I've ever seen and I totally approve sir

[@unclebedhead9099]

Your big dust collector bag looks perfect for painting it to look like the inflatable autopilots from the movie AIRPLANE!

[@bozidar.dimovski]

Genius at work!with great commentary to boot. Thanks

[@eustacehyliger3487]

Love the design. Thanks for sharing. Really enjoy your humour.

[@adamwishneusky]

The walnut and glass are super classy 👌

[@stevenkeeffe]

I really enjoy your editing style and sense of humor. Oh, yeah, nice dust collector, too.

[@GeoSphere]

Hahahaha. I loved your video. It kept me interested and watching all the way through!! Fantastic project and I really appreciated the way you told the story showing the construction of the project while telling the background story. Very eloquently told.

[@tomicarr90]

I came for the cars but stayed for this awesome creativity! I wish I could make things 😅 love it! Great editing too!

[@rpavlik1]

Smart use of a flush trim router bit and some straight wood to clean up an uneven cut. I'll have to remember that. Go watch the Stumpy Nubs video and make a table saw blade guard 😁

[@magman519]

I've always wanted to try two cyclones in series.

[@mumblbeebee6546]

I have - it can be very effective. See +Garret Ducat ‘s reply to why it is a little more complicated than throwing kit together :) But the cascades work well if you size the hoses right - first bucket has 98% of the crap in it, the second bucket has fine powder in it and the vac filter lasts a looong time. But since I lacked the workshop and Dunn’s skills (and, frankly, stylish design eye) I got tired of balancing the stuff and went back to one bucket - and regular washing of vac filters :)

[@ve2vfd]

Also known as the 2020 hurricane season. ;)

[@kdouglaslee]

That was fun to watch! Love the idea, especially the glass windows.

[@kalleklp7291]

I bought such a small cyclone from eBay it's about 10 $. Had it laying around for 2 years now and I'm about to finish my workshop. For what it is it's very efficient. Like you, I made a solution with a vacuum cleaner engine and the cyclone connected in series. The whole shebang is outside so I don't have to listen to the noise it makes. I made a box for my compressor and it's also the place for the dust collector. It works quite nicely. :)

[@GraceSerenityK]

It's a hell of a flex to make your shopvac look that nice!

[@thelasriseffect]

Have you considered making a drawer for the dust collection side? Maybe use the Baltic Birch and Walnut, like you did the cyclone top, for the front. Use baltic birch for the bottom and rear of the drawer and use clear plastic for the sides so you can still use your windows. Then you can use those knobs to seal it when it is closed. Just an idea, so you don't have to use another vacuum to empty it.

[@adamsturgeon1576]

Great idea! I got a new dust collector and been thinking of modifying my shop vac and cyclone to fit into something smaller

[@heIIy]

if this became the main channel, i wouldn't even be mad. i'd still be pleased.

[@Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu]

What is the main channel?

[@dermaxamillion]

The 21st Century Hammer Action while glueing the parts together Good stuff!

[@ve2vfd]

Since you put windows, now you need to put LED lights inside the dust collection bin ;) just because.

[@keithroberts7502]

Ohhh yesss. Blue while running normally changing to Red when full. (And therefore ready to be sucked clean with a bigger vac, which, when that gets full gets sucked clean by an even BIGGER vac made purely out of Bubinga and Purple heart. Why... because well... otherwise, "it's annoying" lol).

[@martinoamello3017]

@@keithroberts7502 Good idea,, Progressively larger and larger shopvacs for all eternity.. Over the past several years in my *dust collectionless* shop I've had to scoop up probably a half ton of sawdust of various types with my high tech shovel and broom.. Enter the B&O railroad building a train spur to carry away the many shopvacs from years and years of....Well...you know..

[@hjartland]

Sweet. A lot like mine, but no need for the Dust Deputy. My Dustopper works great! And is way shorter the the over rated DD. It sits right on top of a 5 gallon bucket. The bottom is cut out to allow for a huge dust reservoir. Then it has a table top above the Dustopper & shop vac. It is all built into an old cart. The unit acts as a portable shop vac cart, assembly / feed-out table, and a rolling power strip. Looks rough, but works very well. :)

[@allareasindex7984]

You’re going to empty the dust collector with another dust collector? How do you empty that one? Is it turtles all the way down?

[@kathrynwhitby9799]

best option would be to add a trap door in the bottom, to drop the dust into a sack.

[@johnsimpson99]

You are absolutely hilarious. The Mr. Bean of woodworking. Great video, keep up the good work!

[@manus5423]

the pvc pipe looks a little cheap, can you make it out of walnut??

[@Noxonomus]

Brushed stainless.

[@martinoamello3017]

@@Noxonomus Gold plating.. Quit being so cheap.

[@SteelSkin667]

0:00 Putting links to the channel and video you are referring to in the description might be useful for all.

[@easymac79]

9:41 I'm thinking cyclones are mostly marketing hype. My vacuum has 3-4 pictures of "cyclonic action". The filter still gets clogged, debris still swirls around the top, about the only thing that drops out is metal like screws or pennies. What may work for you is some type of water filtration. Inlet goes into 3-4" of water, head unit sucks air from a 12-16" gap above the water level. My grandma's old vacuum used a water filter.

[@marthamryglod291]

I've used the cyclone to good effect with drywall sanding, concrete grinding, and wood shop. I have a cart for it connected by a shop vac hose to my shop vac. It's bulky but will fill four five gallon buckets before the filter needs tapping.

[@hucklus]

I'm not sure if you're using your router correctly. You are supposed to go against the rotation of the bit. In your video, you are going WITH the rotation of the bit. Hence the peculiar noise we are hearing. It is also why it is "jumping" or wanting to go faster (watch t=6:43)

[@garywoo3]

Love that you shared the trial and error process. Great video! Keep em coming.

Really like your videos with a glimpse of humor, nice work

[@pointblankokc]

That was awesome ! I learned something and giggled all the way through. Good job dude.

[@carlbrothers]

Awesome video! Love seeing all the iterations of, Tried this, nope, didn't work as expected.... Might want to grab some fleece cloth and make a filter cover or just but a filterpal bag to go over the filter to keep all of the fines out of your actual filter.

[@daverahn1711]

I think you should take cue from Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz and add "inator" to the end of everything you build. Dust collector-inator with self destruct button

[@Crewsy]

You may have watched too many “kids” cartoons. On another note. Perry the Platypus is an awesome secret agent because at first glance he just appears to be a lazy platypus.

[@jbmorrow5390]

Great video - could you add a blast gate on the end to connect your big dust system to empty out the bin?

[@danieltaylor8347]

I too have been marveling over Frank's Frankenvac setup. I like your build because you didn't use a CNC to perfectly cut ever part. It's a great build. I want to learn how to CNC and do video editing so I can animate clamps to crawl across the screen...

[@Jason-jn9sk]

Nice looking finished product. I also liked the presentation. The design itself has problems but you'll get better at that. Good luck with youtube. I think you'll be a hit.

[@ForestWoodworks]

I know it's another video, but love love love seeing the table saw makeover in the background!

[@Daybreakerflint]

Nice job! I love how you went through the itterations!

[@MrBuyerman]

Love the quality of the box....but s a non workshop owning person I'm struggling as to why you didn't just use the shop vac? Is it too small?

[@MichaelNiculae]

That's a thing of beauty, right there. Well done, mate

[@thomashverring9484]

Very nice dust collector cart thingy! Something that might not be too difficult to do later is to add a drawer that can be pulled out from the end when it's full. It can even have panes of glass matching the exterior, so you can still see what's going on! With a drawer you can use the entire collection part of the box-and all you have to do is saw a hole in the end of the cart :^) I love your videos! You are a very funny guy, you are!

[@rikityrik]

Good idea, I was thinking of a trap door on bottom so he could set it in a trash can and swing it open to let the sawdust out, but your idea would be way more convenient.

[@thomashverring9484]

@@rikityrik A trap door sounds like a good idea, or maybe one you pull aside over a trash can?

[@alessi4249]

Could the fact that the inlet to the shop vac was in the cyclone itself rather than above the cyclone lip? Still great video thanks xx

[@eric-eklund]

Really nice build. Though you could loud a buket from the side and take usage of the whole inside all the way to the seperating wall :) No need to take it in and out from the small top?

[@alans1816]

So was it just a bit more flow restriction that made it work better? I had expected you to find an air leak somewhere, as that's usually what messes up cyclone performance.

[@mariangraham9074]

I got into woodworking over a year ago to build a piece of furniture I need/want in my house. Thankfully I've been making other stuff instead so far cuz I can totally relate to "nothing I make looks good"! Lol. Glad it's not just me. Altho I guess I'm alone again cuz that is VERY pretty!😝

[@ramonocasio9573]

Box came out great. Keep doing what you doing.👍👍👍👍

[@desertman3]

It's beautiful!🤣🤣🤣I recently discovered your channel and after watching a couple of videos while chuckling I had to subscribe. I'm new to wood working but I have suggestion for emptying the dust collection section. Why not install a large plastic trash bag in that section? Once the bag fills up remove, empty and, reinstall. Of course you will have to find something else to do if you get bored and, if it works. Because the glass will only allow you to see when the bag is full.😁

[@fredericrike5974]

And it works! Good on ya, Robert!

[@josephreed8310]

That is a great vacuum cart!! I too would be proud of that!!

[@jamok6591]

Great job with giving us the steps you went through and those results. Have you thought of making the bottom removable or adding in a connector that you can just hook right up your other dust collector to make it easy when it needs a good suck?

[@pthanos]

Don't care for the success of this project, I just love your style man :)

[@andrewbrown8148]

Wow, good job and great explanation. If you continue trying to improve upon your design, an alternative to sucking out the contents with your other shop vac might be to convert the end to a sliding panel. Might be too much of a "re-do", but just an idea. With the end panel being able to slide out of a rabbet (or however done), you would be able to just turn the box on end. Thanks for sharing~!

[@tunespt]

My cyclone (made by dyson :D ) has a compresion funnel, outside looks like yours, about double the diameter, and, has another cone inside of it, the air comes into the cyclone and is compressed while spinning, the inner cone, ends around an inch, before the outter cone, air has to take a sharp bend to go up into the vacuumizer. Then is goes into a paper filter, about the size of yours. I vacuum cement (from drilling, and breaking walls), sawdust and even my shop floor with it, the deposit fills several times, a lot of times, before the vacuum power level starts to show up. The power level is just two like a syring where the inner part is spring loaded, the more power the motor makes to vacuum, the more the meter shows up in the window, very common with old hoover home vacs to indicate a full vacumm bag.

[@resorter66]

Hi I am watching this video and noticed what looks like wood clamps hanging on the board behind you could you tell me about them and if you did a video on them Thanks Jeff

[@piggybakkers]

Good video. Great self depricating sense of humour!

[@WhiteEyes25]

I really like it but why not set up pipes and gates with hose attachments in various points in your shop for your bigger dust collector?

[@harolderwin5354]

It does make for some interesting ideas. But if you have to vacuum out the collection with another vacuum system then aren't you back with the original problem but with a different vacuum system?

[@scottroy6195]

Could you make the wall opposite the vacuum open and get a long clear bin in from there.

[@dfs7979]

You know I thought about doing something like this but I just hate cleaning the filter so much that I broke down and bought a CT MIDI. I still use a cyclone for the planer and table saw but at least I never have to deal with dust anymore. I bet adding a shop vac bag to the mix would really extend the life of your filter

[@PendragonDaGreat]

inb4 Frank responds to this video by making a dust collection cart entirely out of walnut

[@martinoamello3017]

I'm skipping the walnut and using solid gold so everyone will know I'm not fooling around with mere wood trim..

[@shannonvaughan4385]

FANTASTIC! Anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

[@jamescurran2275]

You could cut the side off and slide a clear tote in the dust deputy side for easy emptying. And for looks and to keep the air pressure going attach an access panel with magnets

[@raffaelesala992]

Well done Robert! A great job!

[@TheWolfster001]

Loved it.. I found your story, more interesting then the actual build, but if you leave it like it is, it looks very easy to clean out.. I believe a much larger version, maybe 5x larger would make a great whole shop vac system.. Just a thought.. Could be a next great project.. You know that sounds cool... Again, loved watching.. I await your next build...

[@ancienttom97]

I love that hand saw guide. Did you make it? Do you have a video on it?

[@gstealer11]

I love the videos. You're like our very own knock off Wego Frank Howarth. Nice problem solving and build as always

[@TheHearseAroundJimThorpe]

Those glass panes that you have I think know what they’re from. They are probably from a bunch of old storm doors that were popular in around the 80s probably where there’s around 12 per door and you can tilt them open like blinds.I’ve seen quite a few of them with my job and they look about the correct size

[@tomowens2720]

just ran across your channel. you're twisted....I'll be watching more! I do indeed have walnut accents if the 2 stage collector i built with oak veneer plywood. Well done on yours. if I could post a pix of mine I would. my feeling is just because its shop furniture doesn't mean it should look like OSB no!

[@paulwestlake4278]

Good job, not overly complex by my standard, but effective. Keep it up.

[@qmurphy8833]

What if you ran a tube through the rump of the collector, underneath the filer and into the back of the larger dust bin? Idk if you have the clearance but you'd be able to keep the front of it intact