Making Hazard Cartridges with the Crossen Cartridge Molds

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@earlwheelock7844 8 ай бұрын

When I was a small child ( in Dummerston VT. ) about 1952, I found a couple of the 44 size cartridges in the attic of the house we rented, after ALL THESE YEARS!!, I FINALLY found out what those " THINGS " were, I KNEW that they were some kind of cartridge, asked my dad what they were, HE didnt know either, ( firearms have been in my family since B4 the revolutionary war!!

@rexrodecolt 8 ай бұрын

That's too cool!!!

@dangeary2134 8 ай бұрын

So your family would actually have a voice in Congress when it comes to the Two Aye!

@earlwheelock7844 8 ай бұрын

@@dangeary2134 I dont think my family ever got into politics AT ALL!!, in fact my brother and I are the last of our brance of the Wheelocks.

@crossencartridge6403 8 ай бұрын

Someone from France commented on my channel finding some in a wall while doing a remodel. I think a lot these went into surplus after the American Civil War.

@CoreySimmons85 8 ай бұрын

The French also imported vast amounts of US civil war arms and ammo when they were losing the Franco Prussian war badly.

@crossencartridge6403 8 ай бұрын

Thanks Mark, when filling the molds each one needs to be weighed. I have changed the dextrin and water to 3 percent. 24 grains of powder, .72 grains of dextrin, and .72 grains of water for a total weight of 2.44 grains. After drying the weight will be about 24.72 grains. The PDF instructions have been updated with the new ratios and making batches of 6.

@wittsullivan8130 8 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for your work, Mr. Crossen. Now I have to get my printers up and running right so I can print your files to make cool stuff. :)

@Everythingblackpowder 5 ай бұрын

I’ve wanted to try these ever since I first saw this video a few months back. After waiting for John to restock his product I ordered both a 36 and 44 set just yesterday. Really looking forward to assembling some! Thanks for the great video, mark.

@joemolf3894 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for another history lesson had no idea they made bullets that way. Also pointing out the weight difference between cakes not made using a scale was an eye opener! Thanks Mark

@Schlachtschule 8 ай бұрын

Great stuff, Mark! I bought the set, too, and am really looking forward to making some of these.

@bradleyjohnston6112 8 ай бұрын

If you want the final mixture 5% by weight it would be 90gr black powder, 5gr water, 5gr dextrin... doesnt seem like alot but it's a 10% differance and might be why you find you need to add more water...

@iskandartaib 7 ай бұрын

Ah... good old SIG nitrate dope. I suppose nitrocellulose "balsa cement" works too - Ambroid, SIGment or Duco brand. There's also nitrocellulose lacquer sold for finishing furniture. I wonder if replacing some of the water with, say, isopropyl alcohol wouldn't allow quicker drying. I suppose if you need more cartridges quicker you could buy multiple kits.. 😁 My inclination (being a 3D printing enthusiast) would be to design and print my own molds.

@cdarrinford 8 ай бұрын

Thanks, Mark. I ordered a 44 kit after watching your video. I plan on using it with the Kerr mold I purchased from you!

@Merlinemryys 6 ай бұрын

Cool Beans! Thanks for the demo I ordered a set to go w/ your Johnson&Dow mold I got from you some months ago.

@RickCarroll-j5n 7 ай бұрын

I was forced to make these as foster kid when I turned 7 my family had been making bullets for hodgdon powder for years then they adopted me and three others after adopting 350 other kids I do not miss it one bit

@fasted8468 7 ай бұрын

Hope you're doing good foster care sucs

@gener-all5177 7 ай бұрын

I was waiting for the final test 😢, that's a good idea. Best regards from Venezuela.

@snappers_antique_firearms 8 ай бұрын

Now thats pretty cool mark. Definitely have to try this.

@fredalbrecht986 8 ай бұрын

I would have never known about these w/o your video. Thank you so much. Pretty cool method I have to say. Will try it as soon as possible.

@GianmarioScotti 8 ай бұрын

Very interesting. Just a note: you are not limited to 6 cartridges per 48 hours - given that the moulds are 3D printed, they are probably cheap as chips, so you could have a hundred of them and do a batch of 100 cartrdiges at a time.

@wittsullivan8130 8 ай бұрын

Mr. Crossen has an account on Prusa's Printables web site that he links to in his videos. He has quite a few files to print a lot of neat tools you can use with paper cartridges and the Hazard style catridges, even templates to make cartridge boxes for them.

@EastBayFlipper 8 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed your video😃🙌 To ensure consistency, carefully weigh the powder mix wet. Make one perfect finished weight cartridge so you know precisely how much you are adding to yield the perfect finished weight. Place the wet powder load into a cartridge case of your choice and tap the case on a hard surface at least 2x and mark the powder level inside and outside. Use a pipe cutter and cut the cartridge case to size and gig-up a handle for your new powder measue by volume. The mold is too short for a proper compression load and should be made of metal with a pipe sleeve that goes over it and a longer ram to compress the powder in the mold consistently but, it'll work. I'd contact the Uberti or another replica maker and ask for a worn out chamber boring / drilling tool because it's scrap to them however, pay for the shipping and any token charge because with it, you can make a perfect metal mold in brass😊 I hope this is somewhat useful 🙂

@Wayne72LEVRAI 8 ай бұрын

From my experience, if the black powder is compressed to much you loose a lot of power (less velocity on the chronograph).

@EastBayFlipper 8 ай бұрын

@@Wayne72LEVRAI I was thinking about the .303 black powder pellets and thinking about the same need to precision. 👍

@smartmeis 8 ай бұрын

duco cement and acetone is what i would prefer. just makes more sense too me, faster drying times and more ignittion

@Sideshowbobx 8 ай бұрын

That silicon bowl is meant to be soft so that you can knit it between your fingers. Also mix with each ingredient as weight everything separately. Adding 30% ethanol to the water will reduce drying time but also increase the fire risks due to the fumes this will create. These molds are 3D printed, from PLA most likely nor to difficult to design in CAD software. There are a couple free designs as STLs out there to download as well. One just has to print up a bunch of these to go into micro mass production. Nitro glue is common with archery and other hobby applications, just google to find a local variety. Fume hazard applies here again.

@wittsullivan8130 8 ай бұрын

Mr. Crossen has an account with Prusa's Printables web site where you can download the files he uses to make the formers, along with some other useful files he's uploaded, for free. I gotta get off my butt to get my printers back up and running right so I can print a batch using PLA and a batch using PLA+ (or Pro) to see which one can handle the pressure better.

@Sideshowbobx 8 ай бұрын

@@wittsullivan8130 I think I have seen them there then - I would use PLA+ in that case as PLA is more glass like brittle on its own. ABS, ASA or Nylon will superior yet but need housed prints. What went wrong with your printer?

@robertrobert7924 7 ай бұрын

I recently fired J&D flash paper + flash glue cartridges in my Uberti Whitneyville Dragoon that uses the Walker grip frame. The powder charge was 30 grains of 3F. They were very accurate at a rest to a 25 yard target and only shot about 6" high as opposed to 13" high for the same cartridge using round balls. Just wanted to let you know I am very pleased with the J&D .44 performance. Also, The revolver I used has a loading lever mouth that is factory made to fit conical bullets. FYI the nipples on the revolver prefer CCI #10 caps and I lubed the mouth of the cylinders with homemade beeswax, beef tallow, and Olive Oil lube.

@chaecoco2 2 ай бұрын

I had the idea also of using flash paper. Nitrated paper doesn't burn completely and will eventually plug the nipples. I thought flash paper would be a way to work around this problem. The weak link was that I used that Elmers stick glue, which again caused the flash paper not to combust throughly. I think I will give it another try with the nitrocellulose glue and see if that works better. BTY, I can't find any link to J&D flash paper.

@robertrobert7924 2 ай бұрын

@@chaecoco2 There is no link to J&D flash paper. It was a misprint on my part. Flash (nitrocellulose) glue should do the trick.

@MrOldclunker 7 ай бұрын

I think I can come up with a mold that will work for my .50 muzzleloaders an save me a ton from pellets. Thanks

@cplinstructor Ай бұрын

Could you use anhydrous ethanol (100% ethyl alcohol) instead of water? I think that would eliminate the drying time, but it’s also a solvent, so I’m not sure if it would work.

@ericjohnson8001 7 ай бұрын

Original case-less ammo?

@markosterman419 8 ай бұрын

Those of us who shoot wet collodion tintypes, ambrotypes and negatives use plain collodion all the time. It’s easy to buy.

@ShaneStephens-k6n 8 ай бұрын

Ive been gluing pyrodex pellets to conicals for years

@justsomeguy9700 7 ай бұрын

Smart man

@jason60chev 8 ай бұрын

With percussion revolvers lingering well into the late 19th century and beyond, How long did Hazard produce these.....and what cartridge companies continues to produce paper Ctgs, into the post percussion era?

@wittsullivan8130 8 ай бұрын

From what I've read, some companies made combustible paper cartridges into the 30's because of the amount of cheap surplus percussion pistols from the Civil War, there were still a lot of surplus cartridges still around. Paying $12 (or less) for a percussion revolver compared to $30 or more for a cartridge gun made them popular for poor folk, especially during the Depression when people had to hunt for food and needed low-income self defense options. (I'm guessing at the actual prices, I'm not a 100 years old and too lazy to do the research) When a company designed a pistol, they wanted to sell the ammo, too, because it was more profitable, just like razor companies, except they didn't give away the pistol to sell you the cartridges. Some companies just made cartridges, like Johnston and Dow. The term "cap and ball" didn't become a thing until paper cartridges were no longer produced, forcing people to use loose powder, until Mr. Crossen and others went to work. :)

@crossencartridge6403 8 ай бұрын

Hazard only made sold compressed cartridges from 1862 to 1864

@SB-qm5wg 8 ай бұрын

Well, I didn't even know this was possible! Wow.

@earlwheelock7844 8 ай бұрын

Cant waite to see how you load these and what kind of cylinder/chamber they require, and how they fit the chamber?

@stephenfields6236 8 ай бұрын

Excellent teaching video!

@RidgeRunner-dn2gu 8 ай бұрын

Another great video!

@P61guy61 8 ай бұрын

Ha. Should be known as the sold out cartridge set hehehe. Must be popular. Thank you for posting.

@rodiculous9464 7 ай бұрын

The forbidden vitamins

@geneard639 8 ай бұрын

Nitrocellulose ...yeah, its been around a long time, also kind of explosive by itself when dried. Applied to cellulose/paper it becomes guncotton, which for a while was used to make billiard balls....until they went bang.

@josedorsaith5261 8 ай бұрын

Ping pong balls are made with that, aren't they?

@the_moxleygeistig1771 7 ай бұрын

i think, it was playing cards,

@napalmholocaust9093 7 ай бұрын

It varies, the amount of nitration. Low like billiard balls and piano keys are flammable but do not go bang. It is somewhat different from high flash cotton. There are several types and several grades inside each type.

@maxasaurus3008 8 ай бұрын

Great video!

@napalmholocaust9093 7 ай бұрын

Try old piano keys for the varnish. It is still around mixed in nail polish and some lacquer paints (copper conductive for sure). The fronts (not the top) of elephant keys is. Only the tops are b/c ivory soaks-up sweat, don't need that were the finger never goes. You'll know if it turns to slop in acetone. I used to put it on leather as dope to fill the pores with something besides oil and wax or tar. 💩 smells amazing after it dries.

@kenibnanak5554 8 ай бұрын

Interesting.

@mangamaniaciam 7 ай бұрын

Thank you sir for your video!! I've been working on rebuilding an Army San Marco 1851 Colt .36 caliber revolver for a few months now. I've been seriously interested in the various ways of loading my revolver before going to the firing range. I'll definitely be looking into this product you have shown us!!😁👍🇺🇲

@fasted8468 7 ай бұрын

These would work for air pellet rifles. Before melting the barrel out

@Jagdtyger2A 8 ай бұрын

Instead of using water with the dextrin, couldn't you use a mix of alcohol and water to speed drying??

@Sideshowbobx 8 ай бұрын

It will need water to fully dissolve and polymerize the Dextrin again, so only a fraction can be replaced with ethanol and it increase the fire risk while drying.

@pacman10182 8 ай бұрын

needs a 22 cal version for daisy VL's

@KH2837 8 ай бұрын

These are cool!!

@wagon9082 7 ай бұрын

Good video

@BurntKittyForge-pl8ol 6 ай бұрын

i wonder hypothetically if they could be hard enough to get mag fed design , maybe like a broomhandle , lol but it has maybe a stainless 1858 barrel in ".44" and an electric ignition would be the problem otherwise it's sort of a replica, blackpowder only , type non ....hypothetically daydreaming ....thanks for the vid it looks like a must have or try for the skilled cap and ball shootist imo .... EDIT: i think my gears were turning on the thought that a mag fed barrel for these (in fantasy ) would need a smooth chamber but it would not chamber any standard brass "round" though was all...and thanks for the vid i forgot to type

@ronrobertson59 8 ай бұрын

That's cool but too much work I can turn out 50 paper cartridges in the time.

@TheStraycat74 2 ай бұрын

how do those work with Pyrodex?

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 2 ай бұрын

I've never tried it with any BP substitute. I don't know if Pyrodex or any of the others will compress and stick together like BP.

@TheStraycat74 2 ай бұрын

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 well, gives you something to look forward to

@2aguy594 8 ай бұрын

Sam's Club has condiment cups that would be really good in stead of the Red cup.

@BasadoBasadowski 7 ай бұрын

Do you think it's a good idea to make these charges for inline gear as well?? Between 45 and 80grains BP ? I tried firing a 31 grain sample just like that on a tile and it exploded with a pretty big bang. It seems too strong to me. Loose dust burns differently. I would hate to pull pieces of a rifle barrel out of my head :-) I have a Traditions Vortek Northwest Magnum rifle.

@BurntKittyForge-pl8ol 6 ай бұрын

if you shoot it and it goes off it's better than nothing and if you have to shoot it for defense and it blows up they say that's the least of worries because your situation is worse needing to shoot it .../jkes

@BasadoBasadowski 6 ай бұрын

@@BurntKittyForge-pl8ol Um, thanks. Although this is not the answer I needed ;)

@douglaswoodard3412 8 ай бұрын

i do wish you had finished with a firring still i like the vid

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 8 ай бұрын

I did! Check the link to the firing video at the end of this one.

@deucedeuce1572 7 ай бұрын

I'm surprised nitrocellulose didn't make them too powerful. I thought that nitrocellulose would the the best choice, but I thought that it would burn too fast and cause far too high pressures... and second to that, I thought that nitrocellulose was invented long after these bullets were ever used. Were they some kind of bullet used after nitrocellulose, but before cartridges? (during that short period of time?)

@fasted8468 7 ай бұрын

Nitric acid was more expensive than nitrate salts I think 🤔

@deucedeuce1572 7 ай бұрын

@@fasted8468 Yeah, they only needed to burn down a forest to produce a pound of potassium nitrate... but then they would have to then turn the potassium nitrate into nitric acid to be able to make nitrocellulose. I just didn't think nitrocellulose was invented until after cartridges were invented. I don't know for a fact though.

@deucedeuce1572 7 ай бұрын

@@fasted8468 I googled it, but got like 4 different answers. Some say 1851, some say 1855, some say 1862 and some say 1863. Even Wikipedia's short answer says 1855 and 1862 in the same google result of "when was nitrocellulose invented". I have no idea when the skin cartridges and hazard cartridges were used though. (I thought I was replying to a comment on skin cartridges that I watched today... but then realized it was the Hazzard cartridges video. I guess it don't matter either way though. I just figured that with the nitrocellulose being used as an adhesive it would burn too fast and too powerful. When nitrocellulose was invented it couldn't be used as gunpowder, because it burned so fast it would blow up and gun they tried to use it in. They had to invent ways to slow down the combustion first.

@robertrobert7924 7 ай бұрын

Combustible paper cartridges were made using paper that was soaked in a combination of nitric + sulfuric acids during the Civil War Era. It is a dangerous process that should not be done at home. It was the same as modern flash paper. I make mine from flash paper and flash glue and they burn 100% clean without leaving any charred paper in the chambers. They also make 3F black powder burn cleaner. It is a totally different & superior process than soaking coffee filter papers in potassium nitrate and water which is basically an uninformed hoax seen in many YT videos.

@deucedeuce1572 7 ай бұрын

@@robertrobert7924 Isn't nitrated paper the same as nitrocellulose? ...and if it is nitrocellulose, isn't it too powerful for a black powder rifle? Even a small amount of nitrocellulose can create too much pressure for a black powder gun... and mixing that with black powder, especially surrounding the black powder, because it can cause the black powder to burn much faster too (by igniting it all at once). I know nitrocellulose isn't always the best quality and poor quality nitrocellulose would work... but I wonder if anyone ever made too high quality nitrocellulose and blew up their gun on accident.

@davinci3259 8 ай бұрын

Those sold out quick.

@davinci3259 8 ай бұрын

@robertstallard7836 I don't have a 3d printer set up to print them. I was just curious about the price so looked it up.

@Clogmonger 8 ай бұрын

@@davinci3259pretty sure you can take those plans and upload them to a 3d printing site and order it as a custom order. Shouldn't cost an arm and a leg these days either.

@knowsbetter1 8 ай бұрын

Pretty cool but looks fragile and long time to make. I'll stick with my "Club" paper cartridges

@wittsullivan8130 8 ай бұрын

Mr. Crossen shows off an original cartridge in one of his videos. he's got it in a plastic capsule, but it's held up for 150 years+ so far. :)

@drmachinewerke1 8 ай бұрын

Appears to be neat but to slow for me . Darn looking at the vid at 11:00 Why not just a 3D " ice cube type " tray you fill and let dry . Place a tooth pick in each cavity for removal .

@jason60chev 5 ай бұрын

You must be like Quick Karl trying to eat a Marathon bar……” I do everything fast!” Damn….just shooting caplock revolvers must be too slow for you, in general.