Making methylamine HCl but for legal reasons

To try everything Brilliant has to offer-free-for a full 30 days, visit brilliant.org/Chemdelic/ . The first 200 of you will get 20% off Brilliant’s annual premium subscription.
Today we make methylamine HCl. Very useful in some "fun" syntheses but used in many applications overall. Enjoy!
Sources:
www.masterorganicchemistry.com/
www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/R...
SOCIALS:
Patreon: patreon.com/Chemdelic
Discord: / discord
Cashapp: $ChemdelicLLC
This video is sponsored by Brilliant
Music I Use: Bensound.com/free-music-for-videos
License code: NMPZAMQSBHKGL8K0

[@chemdelic]

To try everything Brilliant has to offer-free-for a full 30 days, visit brilliant.org/Chemdelic/ . The first 200 of you will get 20% off Brilliant’s annual premium subscription.

[@eank3429]

Thank God 😊 🙏 I can't wait to use brilliant to expand my chemical knowledge

[@brettmoore3194]

Is there a ceramic bubbler made so the acid could react in the solution instead of surface only reaction😅

[@user-bt2ti6wp4p]

Now to combine that lovely smelling stuff with this and end up with something the government doesn't care so much about. I love sharing the empathogen.

[@savage069]

You are two blonde hairs away from a government visit, my dude.

[@davidjavids2431]

OMNIPOTENT LOVE TO EVERYONE GLOBALLY MEDITATION REQUIRED BREATHING CORRECTLY VITAL AND MANIFEST AND COMMUNICATE

[@ldcent8482]

Seeing the garage doors in the glassware really brings it all together.

[@mrnice4434]

Good think he is not in a camper :)

[@longhairdontcare122]

Seeing those doors earned this sub.

[@natebender4740]

Gotta start somewhere!

[@cannack]

open the door up 2 feet, add a large fan = Hillbilly Fume Hood

[@NoahBenzing-ru5st]

Lies! Your two dads won't let you get online alone!

[@That_Chemist]

that 'distillation' is one of the undergrad moments of all time

[@iuristasiv9360]

😂😂😂

[@chemdelic]

LOL

[@computerkiller1494]

Gotta pay for college

[@BillAnt]

​@@chemdelic- I read somewhere that Methylamine can also be synthesized using formaldehyde and ammonium chloride, then converted to its base using sodium hydroxide. Not sure about yields, what's your thoughts about it?

[@4b5urd.]

@@BillAnt I wont say its the better way to do it but, its easier, cleaner, simpler, straight forward and no question if the reaction has worked, and yields a shit ton more than what was yielded here. To say it is multitudes more efficient and easier to do. A few tips for anyone who will actually run the reaction Note that the temp you reflux at is critical in that reaction. 104C is what is most often suggested. If your temps go higher, you risk making more dimethylamine and trimethylamine. Instead of ammonium chloride and formaldehyde, which some poeple may not have available, you can use hexamine fuel tablets which you can find in most sporting goods stores or camping/outdoors section of big department stores and hydrochloric acid. The acid decomposes the hexamine into, you guessed it, ammonium chloride and formaldehyde. Convenient huh?

[@steceymorgan814]

Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.

[@APOLLINAIREBARTHOLOMIEU]

Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!

[@elizabethwilliams6651]

Yes, dr.sporesss. I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.

[@Jennifer-bw7ku]

I wish they were readily available in my place. Microdosing was my next plan of care for my husband. He is 59 & has so many mental health issues plus probable CTE & a TBI that left him in a coma 8 days. It's too late now I had to get a TPO as he's 6'6 300+ pound homicidal maniac. He's constantly talking about killing someone. He's violent. Anyone reading this Familiar w/ BPD know if it is common for an obsession with violence.

[@APOLLINAIREBARTHOLOMIEU]

Is he on instagram?

[@elizabethwilliams6651]

Yes he is. dr.sporesss

[@MikeyMobes]

27% yield is good without a proper schlenk line setup. In the world of inorganic synthesis thats a solid yield. All that smoke and fog is your hygroscopic reagents reacting with water lowering your yield. Nice work!

[@ashe1.070]

An inert atmosphere is not necessary for a dissolving metal reduction like this one. Also nothing in this reaction is reactive towards water. There are only three reagents: granulated tin metal, 31.45% hydrochloric acid, and nitromethane. That hydrochloric acid is 68.55% water. Those white fumes are from the reaction of MeHN2 and HCl in the gas phase forming a bunch of very small particles of MeNH2•HCl. Like the fumes produced in the reaction of ammonia with HCl (or really any volatile acid)

[@Nathan-ny7kh]

WRONG!!! All that smoke is from the reagents doing magic, I thought that was pretty obvious

[@blackhole3298]

@@ashe1.070 I think he lost yield in his gas-capture setup, plus some of it might get captured by the tin itself, if that amine coordinates with one tin or possible two tin atoms, it won't leave the solution.

[@ashe1.070]

@@blackhole3298 Definitely. There was a lot wrong with the gas absorption step. It would have been better if he used a glass tube, and had cooled the beaker in an ice bath. I also did some stoichiometric calculations: MeNO2 + 3 Sn +6 HCl ----> MeNH2 + 3 SnCl2 + 2 H2O He used 0.27 mol nitromethane, but only used 0.38 mol tin metal. He needed to use at least 0.81 mol tin for all of the nitromethane to be reduced. Though an excess of tin would be best. I didn't calculate the moles of the hydrochloric acid, but judging by the amount of tin left over there definitely wasn't enough. Also, when I used this reaction to reduce nitrobenzene, 2-nitrotoluene, and dinitrobenzene it took a lot longer than 1 hour. So, its possible he didn't reflux for long enough as well. If I remember correctly, the reaction should be continued until all of the tin has reacted. If there is no more tin metal, and the solution is strongly acidic the amine will be in the form of the HCl salt, and can't coordinate with any metals.

[@karlconradie879]

Wtfff how you know 😑😑😑

[@Gunbudder]

this reminds me of taking chem in school. at the end of the year i realized my chem professor had taught the entire class about making meth. every unit focused around one of the steps of production for meth, but was focused on teaching the chemistry. he never acknowledged it and just laughed when i asked him about it later

[@interstellarsurfer]

Student loan status: Paid.

[@bdugh]

My high school chemistry teacher did basicly the same thing but for lsd.

[@longhairdontcare122]

Would you say Chem class is worth it? Or would you better recommend engineering? Chem engineering? Ty an God bless.

[@dingoweasel]

chemistry is less math and more fun than chemical engineering, but chemical engineering is all about paying those bills @@longhairdontcare122

[@dipf7705]

​@@longhairdontcare122both. Or the one you like

[@LabCoatz_Science]

Excellent video! Now all I'm left to wonder is how the hell you got Brilliant to sponsor a List 1 precursor synth, lol. Great content, keep it up man!

[@chemdelic]

They are just that good of a sponsor!

[@seankessens5148]

Because it's not illegal it's chemistry and only a schedule 1 precursor if using it with intent to manufacture drugs which he's not doing

[@farmboy3632]

His intent is to fish for likes, your honour

[@chemdelic]

I mean its also really useful in chemistry too (but also yes for likes💀💀) @@farmboy3632

[@geekst0rm87]

Instead of using a funnel in the HCl try using a small glass tube. Bubbles would be smaller and provide more surface area for the gas to react.

[@CloudCuckooKing]

That's what I was thinking. The funnel's a good jury rigged antisuckback, and it beats the hell out of nothing for stopping small quantities of dangerous things, but it looked to me like the output was overwhelming it.

[@That_Chemist]

You can also use those fish tank bubblers or the sucky thing that the dentist uses for a much better experience

[@WaffleStaffel]

Adding a small aquarium air pump to the "circuit" will prevent suckback. I think E&F detailed this in one of his videos. I use one of those tiny ultrasonic ones. Then you can use a capillary, or even fritted or stainless airstone.

[@mkimball6]

Yeah, you'd rather have a deep solution and small bubbles. A tube or pipette into a grad cylinder would be much better. A gas washing bottle with a frit is ideal. With the funnel you should stir the solution, so that the top doesn't become saturated

[@dmoskva]

Guys, the simplest answer is to use gravity to your advantage. By adding a height difference between reaction vessel and product vessel, you can use the head pressure to prevent pull back. You can loop the tube downstream to increase pressure if needed. But definitely remove the funnel from the end. You ended up losing a lot of yield there. IMO medium stirring of the acid and a glass straw on the end of the tube inserted into the bottom corner of the beaker should increase available contact area for reaction.

[@rdizzy1]

The main reason these street drugs kill people purely has to do with them being illegal (as most deaths are caused by unknown purities and unknown other chemicals added to the drugs, as well as violence surrounding the illegal sales). The deaths involved almost never have to do with the pure form of the chemical itself, but a deranged, toxin filled shitty street version of the chemical. If these drugs were legal, and regulated, people would know the doses they were consuming, know the drugs were pure, and there would be far less violence associated with illegal sales and use. (Also less wasted on EMTs, less wasted on cops, less wasted on holding people in prisons for possession, all of this could go into free drug rehab centers instead) Decriminalization isn't enough, as it only solves half the issue, considering that people will always use drugs, they really need to be fully legalized and regulated. (Like cannabis, tobacco and alcohol) People don't truly care about deaths, harms and costs to taxpayers though, because if they did, it would be legal already, what people truly care about is the puritanical punishment of those they subjectively deem to be morally inept.

[@AricRoy]

Well stated & too true! The fact is there are "legal & pure" versions of most street drugs available with a prescription & produced from Big pharma. In the case of meth, look no further then Adderall. And just as you have pointed out, when regulated and produced in clean-room environments the socalled lethal side effects of the street versions are almost if not entirely eliminated. And governments around the world have known about this for years or even decades with the case in point being Japan pre-World war 2 having given entire cities large doses of meth (the og recipe) and methodically documenting the effects with them being minimal to almost non-existent over a substantial period Of time.

[@neepsmcfly4176]

Yeah, it's a bummer. The ball got rolling w Carter but Reagan really doubled down. No social science, no evals. Then privatizing prisons kinda sealed the deal, I think. Though, even without that, the narrative alone made for a convincing way to reinforce racist ideology and therefore removable only under an act of a race traitor god. Depressing to recall it all. And side effect (woohoo!) was the whole social mentality of criminalizing, thereby sabotaging every productive monetary policy by overfilling prisons and courts. All the while, smart northern euro countries actually study a bit and take a risk treating dependency as health issue vs criminal.... and, BINGO! Hopefully young generations are paying attention and researching their HX.

[@jamisonr]

This is a prevailing thought, but I would also suggest go looking at what is going on in areas like Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco, where these ideas have actually taken some root. Using devastatingly addictive drugs is not good in any sense, purity or no. Society isn't ready for it, and neither are the addicted individuals, I mean they end up thieving and selling themselves for the "privilege" while the rest of us are just trying to make our own way in the world, not trying to support every bad decision people make. I'm referring to drugs like Meth, Heroin, Fentanyl, etc. I'm not a drug expert, but I can see what those drugs do to people and society.

[@rdizzy1]

@@jamisonr The amount of drug users does not change in any meaningful way after legalization. No non drug addict is going to suddenly smoke some crack or shoot up some heroin just because it became legal. Drug users use drugs regardless of the law, and they will always do so continuously, over and over. None of those areas have legalized drugs, decriminalization isn't enough to help anything.

[@neepsmcfly4176]

@@jamisonr yeah, I've seen the devastation but I think you should read up on the kinda impact it has on an addict when treated w dignity. You may be right about our society not being ready but I'm convinced it's mainly bc of mindsets similar to yours. Not attacking or being hostile. Just saying that even ignoring all the promising social experiments in Europe, we've been doing our little experiment over here & all it's done is bankrupt us, increase entrenched social racism, overcrowd prisons, create social & political burdens when no one hires them, until the eventual increased recidivism. I believe we can confidently say that over 50 years we've accrued enough data and, well, I know change is hard but it's pretty clear the whole dehumanizing thing is a big fat failure. Imo, our society could do w a little sympathetic assistance. It feels a whole lot better than excitedly waiting for your opportunity to legally shoot someone. Nevertheless, it's stupid to continue a failed policy so where's the ideas? Also, I wasn't actually recommending we ignore the data gathering across the pond. I mean, really, are we so far gone in our violent bloodlust orgy that rerouting some incarceration funds into actually functional rehab clinics is just too ludicrous for contemplation?

[@koukouzee2923]

Bro really pushing it with the government

[@nevinrush2553]

Fuck gubberment

[@koukouzee2923]

@@williamackerson_chemist iam talking about all the things he does When combined together they sound sketchy

[@tweadz9846]

@@williamackerson_chemist i think this comment just put all of the viewers on a list

[@abundantharmony]

@@williamackerson_chemist how

[@_caracalla_]

@@williamackerson_chemist for purely scientific reasons right?

[@Amipotsophspond]

when smelling something you should wave the smell over to you, that way if it knocks you out you don't fall on the lab gear. also you lower the amount that gets to you so the cancer probability is less. it was good that you did not hold the bottle.

[@LuxGamer16]

That's like basic chemistry safety

[@alext552]

we were taught this in high school, but ive never seen anyone do this in a real lab setting

[@W1nstorm]

🚨🤓

[@jaimeortega4940]

Please don't smell any reactions in the future! Had to many friends of mine have problems from this plus from doing this. From what I hear methylamine is none too pleasant smell.🐽

[@alext552]

@@jaimeortega4940 with the vast amount of organic solvents i have huffed in my time in the lab, i think its already over for me

[@masongauthier1998]

Just came across your channel while looking for an extraction tec for something totally different. And this is the best kind of chemistry videos on KZbin man keep her up 🤘 got a lifetime subscription here today.

[@jamessunderlandseventh7410]

It's way better to use Tin powder instead of Tin pellets for that reaction.

[@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing]

You watched breaking bad, didn't you 😂

[@DrSpooglemon]

@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing They didn't make methylamine on Breaking Bad - they stole it!

[@poindextertunes]

@@DrSpooglemonmy buddy and his friend stole a farmers tank of it and buried it underground with a spout sticking out so they could use it as they pleased 😅

[@ArrBee1]

Greater surface area, no?

[@dripdatglass]

Dude fr not so brilliant, and even illegal amigos know that 1

[@jackbuff_I]

I used to work at chemical plant as an apprentice and I've never been more fascinated in my entire life! I was lucky to work up from a cleaner in just about 7 months, I'm not an idiot and I was obviously interested so they gave me a chance. I was lucky to work in a plant that was a "problem solver" so we there were only a few products that we did over repeatedly, one was refining oil for a Chinese company that was an anti-knocking compound. It was £1000/Ltr so we had to be careful. I didn't do any additions/reactions at that point, just dis/charging filters and drying in all sorts of impellor dryers and a kind of spin dryer. I loved it but my back gave out so had to quit. I really miss it, and could've punched myself for not doing better at school.

[@TheNativeNation]

Always love seeing these uploads!

[@christopherleubner6633]

The easiest reaction is with formaldehyde combined with ammonium chloride and reflux it for a while. Make sure the ammonium chloride is in 2x molar excess and you will get nearly pure methylamine as your product with some ammonium chloride that will crystalize out of the concentrated methylamine. If you want dimethylamine instead simply use a 2:1 molar ratio of formaldehyde to ammonium chloride.

[@mythics791]

Very well put together very enjoyable to watch thank you

[@TheJonesMcCoy]

This is the kind of video needed by the world.

[@Send-It710]

Not sure if anyone ever told you this but if you are cooking spaghetti you should use a fish stone air bubbler it increases the surface area allowing more surface for the sauce to adhere to.

[@jaapgroeneveldt4703]

I have got a weird idea for better yield in bubbling the gas in the liquid, it seems like the gas doesn't have enough surface area reacting with the liquid. So why not use a aquarium air stone to make the bubbles smaller and thus making a lot more surface area? The stone should be mostly inert in most reactions.

[@HAL_9001]

My dog, Jessie, woke up and walked over to me at the beginning of your video. She hasn't done that since I was watching the Bald Science Man show. 😂

[@frogz]

jessie knows it is time to cook

[@LenKusov]

SWIM says that the best way to get a good absorption with the "distillation" here is to use an aquarium bubbler stone, one of the big long ones, at the bottom of a jar mostly full of glass marbles or those weird ornamental glass pebbles they sell at craft stores. That breaks everything up into super small bubbles, generates plenty of turbulence, and slows the bubbles down enough to SIGNIFICANTLY increase yield. When SWIM was concentrating ammonia for making touch powder, that worked really well.

[@chemdelic]

Interesting. Thank you for the advice :)

[@LenKusov]

@@chemdelic Also if whatever you're making is trying to eat whatever binder is in the bubbler stones or the plastic hose barb or the hose itself, you can make a decent equivalent by crimping off the end of a glass tube (aka the $5 packs of glass drinking straws) and filing a bunch of tiny slits in it. Alternately you can mix some water glass into sand so it sticks together, lump it on the end of the glass tube, and sinter it with a mapp torch to make a chemical resistant bubble stone once you wash out the sodium silicate leftovers.

[@s0kulite]

Excellent production, Bravo Vince!

[@jochinq3116]

With Acetamide and the Hofmann rearrangement it is also possible to make methylamine, for the chloration you can use some kind of swimming pool chlorination agents

[@BedrockUActuallyLooked]

Thank you for this educational video. Beautifully simple steps and beginner friendly.

[@orlandodattoma6678]

To increase the yield in the free base methylamine removal step you should try using a glass aquarium bubbler with a sintered septum inside a graduated cylinder (super cheap), or better still a proper gas scrab bottle.

[@chrisfowler1005]

Clever idea

[@warrenmccarty256]

I really need that I have a medical condition it seems like every night around midnight I close my eyes and go off to some other realm and I'm suddenly Jarred back into this realm at around 7:00 in the morning and as long as I got plenty of this stuff that never happens

[@11ride4life]

My new favorite chem channel!!

[@again5t.your53lf6]

Pretty sure you could add to efficiency with using a larger diameter needle for bubbling the Methylamine into solution, you could also do that in multiple degassing stages

[@AdamSteidl]

Perhaps you'd get a higher yield if the bubbles of product spent a little more time in contact with the HCl solution, and if the bubbles had more surface area (were smaller bubbles).

[@KleinLuzi]

i think there was a lot of Methylamine vapors escaping from your inverted funnel trap. May result in a higher yield to use a system with a fish tank air bubbler or simelar to increase contact area of the gas to the HCl.

[@tylersouza6850]

Similar

[@Loooooorenz]

Maybe you can use one of those stones which were used to bubble air into aquariums so the gas is finely spread when bubbling in the HCl. So you can get a bigger reaction surface and more product

[@geekst0rm87]

The stone would dissolve in the HCl.

[@markedis5902]

There are ceramic stones available for just this sort of thing

[@Moritz___]

Mine didnt dissolve when i bubbled air through hcl for a few days. Was bought used so idk what it was made if but looked and felt like some sort of stone

[@AllGoodOutside]

Or he could be an asshole and remind you mockingbirds that 20 other people already sang that tune

[@michaelmancuso8900]

The reason for the small yield and so much biproduct is while cooling the beaker it must be rotated slowly. Theoretically the liquid would just stay in the same position as the beaker spins but technically it’s turning into a solid so as it cools and becomes more dense it needs to roll away from the other chemicals it is separating from. Also quite a bit of the biproduct sitting on top can be purified and baked down for a less pure but much larger yield aside from what you already have, from what I saw looked to be about 2 to 4 grams but I didn’t pay attention to the measurements so not exact estimate. Hope that helps I was scrolling and was intrigued by some of the stuff you were doing and couldn’t help but check this one out. I was quite a good chemist until I got into a bad car accident, suffering brain damage but chemistry is still one of my favorite things.

[@09FoxRider]

You should TLC your reactions mixtures. This will give a great understanding of your product development. Also your final reaction for yield should be higher toughly

[@curedham2963]

I know absolutely nothing about chemistry but i find it very interesting, especially this video. Looks like a lot is going on.

[@logan4856]

Same Here lol😊

[@user-bb7sw4xb4p]

Love love love your videos!!

[@AzidationsAnonymous]

Absolute madlad putting a Rhodium archive reference

[@Antacid420]

Followed this procedure step by step in my kitchen using my hobs oven and microwave oven ,i allso have butane and some other stuff in pressurised cans. .im not sure what reaction i conjured up but ive just woke up on my front lawn ,all of my clothes have turned black,i can smell a gassy eggy smell ,my hair has gone....my ears are ringing and i can hear sirens.... Thoughts 🤔

[@JuanaGethi-lj6ti]

Dude your my new hero. Thanks

[@Pro_Triforcer]

1:43 They were probably using powdered metal instead of beads, which would have much more surface area and react faster

[@Salaammypeoples]

Please can you help me. Ive been on prescribed diazepam for nearly a decade and it terrible. Thr doctor wont change it to anything else 😢 Could you please show me a way to get hold of these other alternatives. Thank-you

[@highlander723]

3:10 You sir have captured How I felt during my entire graduate chemistry career.

[@Amipotsophspond]

so like at 4:22 after you made it cold why did you not decant or filter? is the tin and tin chloride useful perhaps you could go threw the reaction more so I understand. so like 5:47 the point to expose the gas to the liquid HCL so rather then a wide funnel how about a glass tube and a long tube to hold the liquid that way when it bubbles out it has a lot of liquid to travel threw, the gas will coat the inside walls of the bubble and as the bubble lifts up new liquid will replace those walls, if you wanted you could cap the liquid containing tube and run the gas coming off of that threw another tube of the liquid. some times you can find cheap gas filtration tubes sold as water pipes for smoking local herbs, depending on the state you are in these water pipes might be called "bongs". they are usually made from borosilicate glass as they are use to dealing with heat, so they should work as normal lab glass. perhaps the gas does not have enough pressure coming off of the reaction. I wonder if you could increase the pressure using a U pipe with the reaction mostly happening on one side of the U while every now and then you increase the pressure to the other side of the U to push a bubble threw, in a batch.

[@user-le5yp1sy7x]

Is it possible to make a solution of 40% Methylamine and water with this Methylamine HCL?

[@markmcgoveran6811]

If I was you I would be quiet about being able to make that because you are pretty valuable if you can do it. I know a guy that claimed they brought five gallons of that to a plant he worked at. He said they had nothing else but guards and guns

[@vitriolveio]

Love your vids bro!!

[@bedlaskybedla6361]

That white smoke is methylammonium chloride aerosol. Similar think happens when gaseous ammonia reacts with HCl.

[@noreezy4991]

you should be driving the methylamine by sparging the reaction mixture with a needle, with an inert carrier gas like N2 or argon, and the exhaust being cannulated into the receiving flask. basically: the reaction flask is sealed with a septum Ideally, gas is introduced into the septum sealed reaction flask using a long laboratory needle to pierce it (long enough to pierce the septum and descend all the way down to the reaction mixture so that the needle is partially submerged in the solution) You then connect this flask to the receiving flask with a cannula (a 12-24" long 2-ended stainless steel needle puncturing the septum of the reaction flask, but above the solution to allow the atmosphere in the flask to be pushed in passively, by the pressure from the in-bubbling N2) The other end of the cannula is submerged in the receiving flask acid, where the total system pressure from the inflowing gas will bubble out through the acid after first evolving the methylamine in the reaction flask. You can think of it like "degassing methylamine" in the same mechanism that you would "Degass oxygen" from a mildly oxygen sensitive reaction (For real oxygen sensitive reactions, you want to use "Freeze Pump Thaw", which requires a shallow dewar and a "hard vacuum" - which in O-chem means a "rough pump" like a Welch duo seal) in this way you would neither require a reduce atmosphere nor high heat to drive the methylamine out. Each little incremental element of introduced N2 or Ar contains zero partial pressure of methylamine, and the system will evolve metylamine from the solution to try to reach the equilibrium determined by the temperature and pressure..... This might not even be that much methylamine evolving for each small amount of gas, but the process is a "continuous flow" type, so even if each little differential mass flowed through the solution only causes a tiny amount of methylamine to come to equilibrium, the same process is repeated continuously until "all" of the mthylamine has been removed from the reaction mixture (in practice its very hard or impossible to quantitatively remove all of the methylamine in this way, but its by far the best method) in fact, there may even be a way to run this reaction in a continuous flow process. by constant addition of the reagents. Even if the reaction is never operated at conditions that would produce a high yield if it were operated in batch, the abilioty to continuously drive out produced methylamine would probably make it more economical. this is exactly the type of process that would be performed continuously in an industrial operation.

[@ArChemistry124]

I think you can just use organic solvents such as DCM to get the methylamine out of the solution after adding NaOH, as the basic methylamine is soluble in DCM. And after separating the oraganic layer, just bubble some HCl gas into the DCM and you'll get Methylamine HCl salt precipitate out with better quality

[@1998flash]

I love thiis channel, at this point i just burst out laughing at each upload.

[@jasonpare-hm8rm]

What is that white pill shape thing (much bigger than a pill, just using that for shape) What is that white capsule in the beaker right before he added the foil

[@MrSomethingElse]

dude... you are a legit boss

[@2001pulsar]

Tin is really slow reacting in HCl. I'd have refluxed longer. Also the suggestion about the small tube instead of the funnel. Looks cool, glad it worked.

[@uraninite8151]

For the bubbling into the HCl try a fish tank glass and ceramic co2 diffuser. The fine bubbles produced with increase surface are. Im not sure if there would be enough pressure though. Also cover the top of the beaker…

[@craigscolari361]

Can anyone tell me were I could buy a cheap setup similar to this one?

[@phreezethaking9782]

Could the loss be it was pushing over in puffs escaping without touching enough acid?

[@yorkshirechemist]

nicely done - not seen this method done before, the one that's more typically used is the 100+ year old, rather inefficient formaldehyde/ammonium chloride method I did have an idea for alternative workup step, based on an unrelated reaction involving amines I carried out recently: after the reaction is complete, remove as much of the solvent as possible, redissolve the residue in 25% caustic soda, extract your free-base methylamine with isopropyl alcohol (which is immiscible with highly concentrated salt solutions), then acidify the extract and dry it by vacuum distillation might be worth a punt (the reaction I used this for was the reduction of amino acids to their analogous alcohols, using sodium borohydride and iodine - I got the method from DOI 10.1021/jo00065a020) also, I was always under the impression that dissolving metal reductions were radical reactions, so that ionic mechanism raised an eyebrow for sure

[@lachlan1971]

I'm surprised the hcl solution didn't get sucked back up into the funnel and tube.

[@thelispinglizard5458]

Cant wait for the "feds raided my house" vid.

[@szmryb]

federal prison vlog

[@mevansthechemist]

Isn’t it funny that the crude reaction mixture contained methylamine and HCl, but you had to neutralize it, distill it, and put it back in HCl to isolate it? Chemistry’s a pain sometimes. Just my two cents, but I might’ve re-checked the pH halfway through the distillation to make sure it hadn’t gone acidic. The wisps you saw on the hot side were probably MeNH3Cl, a bunch of which was left in the reaction flask. You might’ve been able to stir that stuff with NaOH and re-distill to pull out more methylamine.

[@Anilinequeen]

The wizardly swirl is the most fun part of being in a lab

[@user-te2bu9ge5p]

اقا یه سوال... این آزمایش ازمایش چی بود. جای میشناسی که ساخت شیشه اموزش بد با درصد بالا در بیار

[@Psychx_]

The white vapor forming upon the gas bubbling through the acid, is your Methylamine HCL salt. It looks a lot like the formation of ammonium chloride from NH3 and HCL. A lot of the microcrystalline salt escaped in the form of these fumes, so next time you may want to use a proper gas bubbler to catch the majority, as the funnel trap is highly ineffective here.

[@realryder2626]

I think he was trolling..? Just either not mentioning it or testing people. What is this stuff anyway

[@Psychx_]

@@realryder2626 It's a super useful chemical that's used to create many different compounds, unfortunately also illicit ones. Among other stuff, It allows you to introduce mono-methylated aminogroups into molecules, i.e. in a condensation reaction. Just taking an amine and trying to stick methyl groups onto it, usually just saturates the nitrogen with substituends, making the methylamine route necessary in the first place.

[@realryder2626]

@@Psychx_ so just remove the nitrogen with an alkylinic process. Ok got it

[@realryder2626]

@@Psychx_ lithium has entered the chat

[@realryder2626]

@@Psychx_ brb my trailer park on fire

[@quinton3997]

What metal are you useing from what I understand silver is what is needed

[@darshan.sbps-1018]

Tip : Use more HCL to dissolve the methyl amine and increase the surface area of the funnel next time😅

[@nucknuck123]

🍔

[@farmboy3632]

🍔

[@nola504creole5]

What is that used for

[@user-yw9mw9hv8o]

How does the inverse funnel setup compare with a tube with a small opening, deeper into the HCl solution, in regards to rate of reaction. Thinking about the surface area of small bubbles and the time it takes them to rise, compared to how the gas phase sits on top of the liquid phase in the reverse funnel and there isn't much mixing except for the occasional 'fart'.

[@chemdelic]

Yeah looking back at it, it wasn’t a good idea 😂

[@gadamgr1227]

min 6:05 im not realy sure what is that gas/vapor. BUT its probably methylamine hcl. before you turned the heating CHL from the hydrochloric acid escaped and went through the funnel and formed methylamine hcl! I hope that helped you!

[@stickyfox]

I could be wrong about this but I think I read that HCl fumes and forms a white crystalline residue in the presence of any amine.

[@nucknuck123]

It is crazy at what temperature is it can go from Crystal to liquid to gas back into Crystal into a liquid its wicked weird material

[@poindextertunes]

My dad used to cook in the 60s. His method I would assume was the one that used ephedrine or pseudoephedrine. That good ole biker crank lol

[@noahknowsitall3284]

60s was PTP dope

[@pvtparker8288]

Isn't that what it is now...?!

[@Gladiator-hm7wq]

That was some decent stuff man 💯 nicefuly tasty

[@retarded1684]

To gain higher yield(s) maybe try adding a solvent after the sodium hydroxide then stir wait about 15 minutes separate top solvent layer then do what you did in the end only your solvent will be getting the gas vapor from the acid and that should work oh yea make sure your gas vapor is dry with no moisture

[@JesseSep.]

The smell description actually made me laugh out loud

[@Soundsaboutright42]

What about routing the gas into a separatory funnel filled with your hcl and h2o? Or maybe actually redo it with distilling it. Fun video though!

[@jamesfry8983]

They have the recipe and instructions for this in the anarchist's cook book

[@aqua-op]

Great.. now I'm on yet ANOTHER list.

[@adambingham7008]

Reflux longer, run through vacuum flask w/glass filter. Bring to basic , separate in flask.

[@jaimeortega4940]

Low yield was probably a few things - purity of the starting chemicals, not completely or correctly reacting all the tin, and not having a fractional distillation apparatus. Great job Jesse!🔮🎱

[@Poppa_Badger]

Dude is absolutely brilliant, even if the content is questionable.lmao😂😅🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@keksiiiiii]

I love that you arent weaing any PPE apart from gloves lmao

[@kirkmbutterfield]

Cop

[@00gsgvfhryeyw]

Do you think powder tin would be better?

[@FlushingStatic]

I love chemistry, can u do 1 on taking out (extracting) the mitragynine and 7-OH-Mitragynine out of krarom "tea" powder,leaves.

[@chemdelic]

I tried that before, got a sticky product, but failed to get the pure isolated product. I will have to try again in the future

[@justinlandry7474]

So you wondered about your yield. Not sure if this has been mentioned but the Vogel reference doesn't make sense to me. 40% azeotrope THEN gas? I'd think the gas comes first but let's assume it all comes over as the azeotrope. I think the math roughly works out to 20 ml to collect .25 moles or about 7.5ish grams methylamine. Did you check vapor production with litmus before you stopped collecting?

[@RobertSears95]

“Check out my new master class on how to make a 10,000% profit with chemistry over at Brilliant”

[@singularsquids5753]

On March 18th of last year, my friend got some Molly. Did a bunch of lines. Then didn’t sleep for two days, and that’s when I realized what I had actually just done

[@petkotzvetkov6528]

The fumes are inpure methylamine, so are the coating of yellow in the middle of the reaction (of the flask!) is also impure methylamine IMHO..

[@Cristi0986]

Why it s not work direct with SnCl2?

[@connarcomstock161]

THIS MAN IS ON *A LIST* I SWEAR TO GOD!

[@chadthomasriggs]

Nope, but everyone commenting tips, tricks and advice sure are.

[@Hallonyancat]

Could have used a bong diffuser instead of a glass funnel

[@Jacob-wp8cx]

Doing chemistry is like fighting omni man . I felt that punch dead ass

[@user-ko7lz3kr1d]

Pretty sure the white smoke and vapors is just methylamine HCl. HCl vapors could go through the inverted funnel into the headspace of the boiling flask and give white smoke.

[@user-bo5lx6rr1f]

Thank you I really needed that laugh 😂

[@grantking4032]

Boyyyyyy where are your goggles! In your reflection I couldn't see them 😂

[@w.stuart668]

chemistry is so cool, sure wish i knew it

[@Crodmog83]

Really cool video

[@robertbledsoe6905]

That stuff is the meth build up on the walls of the glass when you started the last step of the procedure this was a very simple process thank you could you make meth from sassafrass oil as well curious is all

[@dirtbag5408]

No. MDMA is possible with sass.

[@dariusgriffin3627]

What does this benefits ?

[@tfty21]

You missed the catalyst in the reduction reaction 😮

[@the1jamiesmith]

The "thanks guys" pic is what really did it for me ☠️

[@chemdelic]

LMAO

[@4b5urd.]

Was this a reaction you've wanted to do? It is a lot more practical to make methylamine hcl by ammonium chloride and formaldehyde. It is easier to do and the yield is multitudes greater than using nitromethane. You can also just use hexamine fuel tablets and hydrochloric acid. The hexamine decomposes to ammonium chloride and formaldehyde, then they do their thing and reaction proceeds as normal If you've looked at the reaction I'm sure you are aware of this but for anyone else, reflux temp is critical in this reaction. Anything over 104C and you start to produce more dimethylamine and trimethylamine.

[@Psychx_]

The explaination I got for such reactions, is that the reaction of the metal with acid generates hydrogen gas in-situ. That's also called nascent hydrogen ("nascens" lat. "being born") and its more reactive, than plain hydrogen gas from a balloon, since it's in a higher energy state as it forms; it then directly gets consumed reacting with the nitro group. The complicated mechanism you showed likely also takes place in parallel and/or the metal acts as a catalyst aswell. It's a total mess :P