Storytelling - Draftsmen S3E32

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Draftsmen

Draftsmen

Күн бұрын

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@Draftsmen
@Draftsmen 3 жыл бұрын
Where do you come down on the great cheesecake debate? Pie or cake?
@KitKatWiffleBallBat
@KitKatWiffleBallBat 3 жыл бұрын
Cheesecake is best girl. 😋🍰 But don't tell her that Pie is damn good...so Pie is also best girl.
@carlosroo5460
@carlosroo5460 3 жыл бұрын
Chocolate cake, anything else is objectively inferior.
@anthonythompson3215
@anthonythompson3215 3 жыл бұрын
There’s a debate? Cheesecake without a doubt.
@jeremiahsingularo7340
@jeremiahsingularo7340 3 жыл бұрын
in the homeland of cheesecake creation it is counted as pie. I REGRET NOTHING!! NOOOTHHHIINGGG!!!
@carlosroo5460
@carlosroo5460 3 жыл бұрын
Quesillo, but I stand by what I said earlier about Chocolate cake.
@usvotesonline9078
@usvotesonline9078 3 жыл бұрын
Marshall is the greatest gift to the art community.
@rennley_9233
@rennley_9233 3 жыл бұрын
completely agree. he’s like “art grampa” - love his insights and his attitude!
@ratslaydownflat2540
@ratslaydownflat2540 3 жыл бұрын
This is true
@edwinbeta2806
@edwinbeta2806 2 жыл бұрын
Genuinely such a wonderful man to hear talk, and so kind, but not saccharine, wish I could take a class with him sometime!
@Beatumpop
@Beatumpop 2 жыл бұрын
@@edwinbeta2806 oo, saccharine's a really good word. I agree also, love to listen to him.
@purinpat
@purinpat Жыл бұрын
I took Marshall’s class at CDA right before Covid lockdown began, and I thought it was one of the most amazing class that I have ever taken. He’s always full of energy and was so excited to teach us and show us things. I remember being excited and alert all the way up to the end of class at 11 pm weekly. There were so much information that I felt like I wanted to take the class again. It was hard to absorb everything, but watching your podcast is like little reminders of the things we learnt. Thank you for doing this together :).
@agkview
@agkview 3 жыл бұрын
One positive thing after hearing that the draftsmen show will be closing down, is a change in attitude from my part , and treating the videos more preciously and valuing them more. I am listening to old episodes again while drawing
@amandasolana2231
@amandasolana2231 3 жыл бұрын
Marshall is a great story teller, could listen to him all day! He should start a podcast of his own
@joefilmco
@joefilmco 3 жыл бұрын
One of, if not THE best episodes of this podcast. Thank you for your wisdom, Marshall.
@TheDarkPatito
@TheDarkPatito 3 жыл бұрын
finally, the topic you have been anticipating for about 3 seasons.
@carlosroo5460
@carlosroo5460 3 жыл бұрын
You speaking to me?
@sandwich336
@sandwich336 3 жыл бұрын
You speaking to me?
@TheDarkPatito
@TheDarkPatito 2 жыл бұрын
yes
@opmenglish413
@opmenglish413 3 жыл бұрын
This is such a good podcast, I really wish there were more storytelling/narrative podcasts by Marshall and Stan
@AscendantStoic
@AscendantStoic 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best episodes so far, makes me wish we got an entire season dedicated to storytelling and how it relates to the art of drawing (and Comics/Manga), one could only dream.
@cnvrgnt
@cnvrgnt 10 ай бұрын
I cannot describe how wonderful this podcast is. I could listen to Marshall talk for hours
@SarahBurnsStudio
@SarahBurnsStudio 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm being cradled by wisdom and love when Marshall explains things
@colethompson31
@colethompson31 3 жыл бұрын
Hearing marshall share his knowledge about this topic was awesome. Can’t wait for the museum episode!
@RaynaLenskiCreations
@RaynaLenskiCreations 3 жыл бұрын
every time I watch/listen to Marshall giving a talk about storytelling, there's always something new that sinks in to my brain than did before - been having a hard year this year and second guessing my choice of being a visual storyteller, and this helped rejuvenate my love of story again
@marieannpascual
@marieannpascual 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this video. Marshall, you are a precious gem. Thank you Stan & Marshall for sharing ❤️❤️❤️.
@lightbornadventures
@lightbornadventures 2 жыл бұрын
I really hope you guys resume this podcast it’s a damn shame it was paused. There is so much value in each episode, I don’t think you realize how much these videos help starting and returning artists. Either way you decide, thank you both for the amazing and inspiring content!
@sleeplesshead602
@sleeplesshead602 2 жыл бұрын
This is a gem. I am so happy to listen to this podcast. Thank you, Marshall.
@justj44
@justj44 3 жыл бұрын
I'm happy to have the pieces of knowledge shared through the last few draftsmen episodes. Really hope Marshall makes more content or teachings of his own. Always very glad to hear his insight!
@Wolfknightly
@Wolfknightly 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this episode. I found it really interesting. Thanks. I feel like the Storyteller Podcast would be a good replacement for the Draftsmen Podcast. It is really nice to hear all of Marshall's insights into story telling. Would be interesting, to hear him go more in-depth on more specific aspects of stories, and examine individual stories, and or genres. It's also nice having Stan play the student role and asking all the questions a student would ask. I also hope that you still make a random Draftsmen episode now and again, when you feel like you guys have something new that you want to talk about.
@Lunartcy
@Lunartcy 3 жыл бұрын
This one is my favorite episode so far. I learned a lot and will rewatch it again. Thank you guys!
@viccreator4062
@viccreator4062 3 жыл бұрын
by far one of my favorites episodes of this podcast, I've heard it 3 times, Bravo Marshall!
@iambadatnames5809
@iambadatnames5809 3 жыл бұрын
I like how the size of Marshall's and Stan's faces on the thumbnail is proportionate to their contribution in this episode. A symbolic set up right there.
@cybdraws
@cybdraws 3 жыл бұрын
Studying storytelling can sometimes be very frustrating but I think Brian McDonald is one of the best in explaining how it works. Very simple, clear and honest. Also very Good for beginners
@arthurhenriquecm
@arthurhenriquecm 3 жыл бұрын
I love The Simpsons episode "22 Short Films About Springfield", the way the stories link with each other and the way they tell 22 different stories is amazing! Thanks for this episode, really helpful!
@Buddhabellie
@Buddhabellie 11 ай бұрын
What a treat for me to listen to a real master.... thanks Marshall...and stan.....so grateful for reality check
@manukongolo9992
@manukongolo9992 3 жыл бұрын
X Well done on this episode, truly insightful. Arguably my favourite.
@gizmoatwork
@gizmoatwork 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all those episodes, thoughts, references and teachings. I still have some episodes to watch in my backlog. It will be a bit different now though, knowing there won't be new ones anymore. Or maybe ? Very maybe.
@AndieArbeit
@AndieArbeit 3 жыл бұрын
The videos from this chanel are just pure gold, and deserve be translated to every language... or at least spanish hahaha
@SuperSunshine321
@SuperSunshine321 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode. Length was no problem at all, super informative.
@TitansTracks
@TitansTracks 2 жыл бұрын
"The draftsmen who cried monster" I thought that thumbnail looked familiar. Good stuff! 💎 (It's from a book series called Goosebumps - the girl who cried monster)
@carlosroo5460
@carlosroo5460 3 жыл бұрын
One other way I think of those "plans" you said Marshall, is they are Chekhov's Gun. If in the first act you show a Gun on the wall, make sure you fire it on the 3rd act, otherwise don't put it there. The most recent I saw, I really like is that 2 characters are in a clothes' store and point out a pair a shoes, then the rest of the story they get caught up in one of the bad guys' plan, but by the end of the episode we learn through those shoes one of those 2 characters was actually the perpetrator of that incident, and severs as a cliffhanger for the next episode.
@karakurie
@karakurie 3 жыл бұрын
This is funny because I am literally dissecting a scene from my favorite korean drama to figure out how it was emotionally effective. This drama has a Japanese and Taiwanese version. The Taiwanese version is cute, but has zero emotional impact, the Japanese version made me cry. The Korean version gaves me キュン. All 3 had the same beats and generally the same dialogue, yet I had 3 different reactions to them. Therefore I decided to write these into comics and figure out how they failed or succeeded in different ways. So far I am learning a lot about Show and Tell. It's always better to speak less. Also actions should describe the character, conflict, and the physical action. Like picking up a knife to kill someone. Maybe the character is really skilled they swing it around between their thumbs, but there's no conflict. Maybe they don't want to pick up the knife and pick it up with two fingers and then grip it when they made the decision to kill. That seems to be more effective. No words are said either. Also I did what Marshall said not to do and focus on structure. But I have to do it for comics because there's a limited number of pages. In Japan there's this thing called 起承転結 which is a 4 act structure (intro, development, climax, twist) and I followed it exactly and was praised for it but it didn't make my stories emotionally compelling. But knowing it has secured some space to learn more things. And I know how to structure my stories in 4, 16, 24, 32 pages etc because I follow 起承転結 But that's just like priming your canvas and make the basic sketch to figure out the forms so people know its a human figure sitting down. I've learned though that no matter how much I read I never get better without practice.
@0ia
@0ia 2 жыл бұрын
nice comment!
@AMGK
@AMGK 3 жыл бұрын
My god this is amazing, i'm gonna miss you guys so much, you know, that Simpson's episodes I've got then in my heart for ever, I remmember the "Bart got'an F" one, when I was at school it looked like that episode was telling direcly to me the story, I totally relate to Bart on that story. Just amazing, that Simpson era was mastepiece of storytelling
@cory99998
@cory99998 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marshall, this was very enlightening and inspiring. I want to give one minute stories a shot
@WisdomThumbs
@WisdomThumbs 2 жыл бұрын
48:40 as I’m hearing this, I’m writing and illustrating a novel/comic hybrid about my little brother, because he died after helping me build this fictional world. He even gave permission for the character before his suicide. The book *burns* out of me as a result. BTW, he agreed with Marshall about the old “Lost in Space.”
@cory99998
@cory99998 2 жыл бұрын
One of the most fundamental principles in engaging entertainment is the setup (contextualization that creates expectations and therefore anticipation of those expectations) and then payoff (some combination of: expected payoff, unexpected payoff, perplexing payoff / a thinker, or expected payoff 10x that goes way beyond what we thought was going to happen). Another key element is hitting emotional extremes, high dynamic range of emotional experience. Know the emotional journey you're taking the audience on and craft a journey that makes the emotions hit hard. Easier said than done of course. Using contrast helps immensely. The other thing that I've found is important that's sort of alluded to here is knowing your themes and creating your story's beats and overall identity around this abstract notion of themes. Themes are the glue of the experience that manifest deeper meaning and understanding and give us a clear enough standard to cleanly weave these themes into the work in a way that might not be obvious to the viewer, but it's one of the driving pieces affecting their experience. The way they experience the story is through the 'lens' of a certain theme. It's an abstract glue that makes it all work. The identity. Could be for a more traditional story, a youtube video, a firework show, magic act, videogame, song, anything. edit: Finished the episode, Marshall covered my seconds two points but I think the first point is still worth considering, and how that leads to the enjoyment of all things
@ciscoponch67
@ciscoponch67 2 жыл бұрын
According to Periscope: The structure of cheesecake is composed of a somewhat pastry shell with a custard-like filling and sometimes contains fruit. Despite the confusing terminology, cheesecake is by no means a cake. Also, since cheesecake isn't topped with pastry, it cannot be a pie. Cheesecake is, and forever will be, a tart.
@esteban-iriarte-animation
@esteban-iriarte-animation 3 жыл бұрын
I think those are some good starting points to think about and start creating/telling stories. At least for someone as new as me in the matter. Didn't even know about the 22 Pixar rules until now. Thanks guys!
@StClair008
@StClair008 3 жыл бұрын
I will miss this show. It's better than My Dinner with Andre ever was. I like the conversation, even if it veers into TMI and cringe. It's informative and revealing.
@JesseMartin
@JesseMartin 3 жыл бұрын
Best podcast ever
@bjaanderson
@bjaanderson 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you all showed Tim Jacobus some love in the thumbnail.
@ArchiduquesaMA
@ArchiduquesaMA 3 жыл бұрын
Me this whole episode WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN
@phoenixjames6126
@phoenixjames6126 3 жыл бұрын
I'd still love to see you guys occasionally come back with guest star interviews.
@heyryanisonx3141
@heyryanisonx3141 3 жыл бұрын
so hyped for this podcast!
@di_anso
@di_anso 3 жыл бұрын
I think the Kristian's crazy questions would work if the choices were between two positive things, and maybe that's the reason why it worked with the coffee debate. It kinda makes you want to participate rather than run away from the question
@ciscoponch67
@ciscoponch67 2 жыл бұрын
A great PBS program, in the 70s, introduced me to illustration and storytelling: Cover to Cover is an educational program broadcast on public television in the United States and Canada from the 1960s to the 1990s. Its host, John Robbins, would introduce young readers to one or two books, from which he would then draw scenes as a passage from the book was read. Robbins would then encourage the viewer to find the book in question and read the rest of the story. The program was also known by several other titles, always following the same general format.
@seanhazen3042
@seanhazen3042 Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how much patience Marshall has for Stan. He’s so tedious to get through a conversation with. - as if every statement in a conversation needs to be scrutinized by a peer-reviewed scientific study. He seems to sit back and not actually contribute very much to the conversation while picking apart everything stan says. How exhausting.
@planetozborn
@planetozborn 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode!! I definately need an RL Stine masterclass.. Be on the look up for the 'Art of Gosebumps' dropping at the end of November!
@ArchiduquesaMA
@ArchiduquesaMA 3 жыл бұрын
45:50 I feel like Marshall will lose his mind if he watches attack on titan, lol imagine him making sense of Eren
@sloaneday78
@sloaneday78 3 жыл бұрын
he's gonna turn into a titan himself from the shock lmaoooo
@roymakescomics
@roymakescomics 2 жыл бұрын
Eren was right.
@itsisha9762
@itsisha9762 2 жыл бұрын
it'll be interesting to see him watching anime for sure
@temisck8803
@temisck8803 3 жыл бұрын
What is this song at 5:21? Its so good
@the_Googie
@the_Googie 2 жыл бұрын
You can tell Proko is kinda zoned out haha... but luckily Marshalls storytelling is so good his thoughts on storytelling were very compelling and interesting!
@JohnLumgair
@JohnLumgair 3 жыл бұрын
Will the storytelling course be online? I couldn't fine it on Marshalls website.
@sami_yanezcarbonell
@sami_yanezcarbonell 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the wisdom and knowledge. It's very sweet.
@porcorosso9898
@porcorosso9898 3 жыл бұрын
I was in the middle of diffusing a bomb but this takes priority.
@michazytecki965
@michazytecki965 3 жыл бұрын
xd
@BlackMita
@BlackMita 3 жыл бұрын
F
@johnny-mnemonic13
@johnny-mnemonic13 3 жыл бұрын
Lol best comment today... going to have to steal it lol
@martabraz8808
@martabraz8808 2 жыл бұрын
I miss your podcast guys! Hoping you are well
@lokonationstudio1691
@lokonationstudio1691 2 жыл бұрын
Love you guys! I make art while I listen to u, very good. The NFT episode was awesome, needs a follow up!! Thx🙏🙏
@ryanw2126
@ryanw2126 2 жыл бұрын
"feel like I'm in that world", maybe the most important.
@jugheadjones7196
@jugheadjones7196 3 жыл бұрын
18:14 😂 oh Stan! My favorite duo.
@pablosorini4603
@pablosorini4603 2 жыл бұрын
There is a great exeption to the very real "rule" metioned about not writing a story from beggining to end, and least of all not knowing where it's going. That is a valid rule and applicable to almost any scenario. But just for the delight of it, let me tell you about french noir novel writer Georges Simenon. He told publicly the story of how he wrote all of the Maigret novels exactly that way. He'd work from 6 am to 6 pm, and according to him, he only knew the beginning of the story as he sat to write, and he wrote chronologicaly. His only method was to write every day, no matter what from 6 to 5, and to get "in the skin of the characters". He used to write a novel in a fortnight and has written many classics. That, however, is not the rule
@ayeshamahgul
@ayeshamahgul 3 жыл бұрын
You guys are such a positive influence. Dont like the idea of no more draftsmen show
@ccharfield5635
@ccharfield5635 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a season 4 after this season?
@smiley_worth
@smiley_worth 3 жыл бұрын
Lost in Space actually have a remastered version on Netflix
@xabeke.
@xabeke. 3 жыл бұрын
i’m almost avoiding new draftsmen episodes knowing that it’s ending now... i’m trying to spread out that *new episode feeling* a little bit longer😭
@diego_segura
@diego_segura 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, me too. It's kind of the end of an era. I filled the void with the Creative Pep Talk podcast.
@nova6253
@nova6253 3 жыл бұрын
replayed Marshal saying "what?" like 5 times lol
@nikolaikai940
@nikolaikai940 3 жыл бұрын
What Draftsmen episode will be your last?
@EriksBlue
@EriksBlue 3 жыл бұрын
Niel gaimen's masterclass is so much better than the r.l.stine masterclass
@cckongg
@cckongg 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, didn't they say we wont make this podcast anymore??
@heyryanisonx3141
@heyryanisonx3141 3 жыл бұрын
they just said it was the last season, they still have a few episodes to release before it's finished
@cckongg
@cckongg 3 жыл бұрын
@@heyryanisonx3141 alrightie, thanks
@BlackMita
@BlackMita 3 жыл бұрын
They need a hard restart.
@ErikaCasab
@ErikaCasab 3 жыл бұрын
Brian McDonal is my favorite author for studying storytelling. I've often found that he is way more consice and articulate than even McKee or Syd Field.
@tusharg97
@tusharg97 3 жыл бұрын
1:08:00 The Last of Us 2 storyline was exactly like this.
@starlord7125
@starlord7125 3 жыл бұрын
there better be a holiday christmas episode !
@sakerberg4512
@sakerberg4512 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@guystudios9878
@guystudios9878 3 жыл бұрын
It's come to a point now that Marshall doesn't care whether he's eating on a Podcast or not
@seanramsey
@seanramsey 3 жыл бұрын
"What're you gonna do, end Draftsmen?!"
@OoziHobo
@OoziHobo 3 жыл бұрын
Stan is so checked out, lol.
@gordacapivara
@gordacapivara 2 жыл бұрын
He is, isn't he. Lol. It gets annoying at times
@carlosroo5460
@carlosroo5460 3 жыл бұрын
What happened to the comment I made for Marshall about the Channels Overly Sarcastic Productions and HelloFutureMe?
@learninghowtolivetakesawholeli
@learninghowtolivetakesawholeli Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂❤❤ man this is my way of spending time
@jdsantibanez
@jdsantibanez 3 жыл бұрын
Well, there is a new version of Lost in Space on Netflix.
@XtianApi
@XtianApi 2 жыл бұрын
" there's a book on storytelling, I never made it through it." Hahaha lolo
@estherlove5172
@estherlove5172 3 жыл бұрын
Stories about growing a business are not always boring FYI 😉
@johnny-mnemonic13
@johnny-mnemonic13 3 жыл бұрын
I could have sworn this episode got released last week???
@carolineburgen
@carolineburgen 2 жыл бұрын
Ayyy I love lost in space lol
@thefriendlyaspie7984
@thefriendlyaspie7984 Жыл бұрын
1:24:39 , that is the part were you have to shut down your logical brain, so next time drink a bear while watching it so you get the full expirience of the movie as a viewer not as an analysis.
@samforderer3075
@samforderer3075 2 жыл бұрын
Damn Stan is hard to listen to at times. What’s with the devils advocate/skeptical thing? Marshall is extremely wise and dropping so much knowledge and it feels like Stan is doing everything in his power to bring the conversation to screeching hault. He is adding literally nothing to the podcast and actually making it harder to take in what Marshall is saying. Super cringe
@ryanw2126
@ryanw2126 2 жыл бұрын
Hollywood opens up to much with trying to identify with too many people. Sometimes tell a specific story without trying to make everybody else feel okay with it.
@cole4917
@cole4917 Жыл бұрын
Eggs Milk Yoghurt Bread Tomatoes Cucumber Apples
@saii221
@saii221 3 жыл бұрын
56:20
@Flandelacasa
@Flandelacasa Жыл бұрын
Marshall, you have to watch Rick and Morty. Specifically Season 6, Episode 7: Full Meta JackRick.
@zubairsheikh8769
@zubairsheikh8769 3 жыл бұрын
i thougt they were done with draftsmen?
@PuppetMaster8707
@PuppetMaster8707 3 жыл бұрын
I want to be a storyteller I just find it SO difficult
@Garl_Vinland
@Garl_Vinland 3 жыл бұрын
Was really hoping for a part 2 of that sexism in art episode you had with that popular guest.
@nialucky8773
@nialucky8773 3 жыл бұрын
Most audiences hated it so I don't think this channel will ever bring that up again.
@catallaxy
@catallaxy Жыл бұрын
Should one follow a template? Templates are inspirational in suggesting that a story ought to have a strategic arc or a larger concept. But following a template might be dangerous if the writer uses it as a structure for his story. A template is only supposed to be a guide and not part of the content, of the story. Another problem is the alien nature of using someone else’s template. The great French science fiction writer Jules Verne followed the same template for all of his successful novels, such as 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Journey to the Centre of the Earth and The First Men in the Moon. Verne asked the question: How do you tell the story of a leaf falling down from a tree? You could simply write: “A leaf fell down from a tree”. But this is not very interesting for the reader. Or you could write: “A gust of wind tore a leaf off of it’s branch. It was then carried to and fro by being tossed alternately from, first being lifted slightly by the air and then being pulled down again by gravity. After having swung from side to side, it finally came to rest in the grass below”. A leaf doesn’t just drop from the tree, it swings from side to side and the extremities of this sideways motion are inflection points. Verne followed the same template for all of his novels but, the template he used was of his own making. His template always started with an initiation, of a group of three men and one woman, who would eventually be persuaded to make the fantastic journey. There was usually a signal from someone who went before them. This message from “beyond” was a device to create curiosity, in the reader, to want to continue reading. The next inflection point is finding the entrance to or the threshold for the journey and getting all the necessary equipment marshalled together. The story goes through a sequence of many inflection points, before the crew finally returns to where they first began.
@resistancepublishing
@resistancepublishing 3 жыл бұрын
Marshall had me hooked on learning about story structure but Stan’s clownish attitude towards story keeps pulling me out of the information
@jonmahashintina
@jonmahashintina 3 жыл бұрын
why do the examples of story elements always fall back onto movies and tv when a novel often breaks the mould due to length and imagination being able to go beyond what a movie or tv product could accomplish?
@TheArtofKAS
@TheArtofKAS 3 жыл бұрын
In the first 5 minuets it's like a show that the 90 year old executive farts said cancel and now the host are just like "TO HELL WITH IT." and they start spouting the craziest obscenities about everything and everyone. I'm so behind it 😂. But also this topic is very near and dear to the heart. I do love the marketing discussion in the beginning as to how storytelling pertains to it. In The end, we are all unreliable narrators but we have to convince other people otherwise.😂😂
@haloiniastrid
@haloiniastrid 3 жыл бұрын
Will marshall make his own podcast? I'm going to miss him talking rambling in all direction while proko tries very hard to sum up / make sense of his ramblings lol
@Solastique
@Solastique 2 жыл бұрын
What is this and why was this recommended?
@achrafbenammar4613
@achrafbenammar4613 2 жыл бұрын
imagine Marshall sees fairy tail's story
@nard92
@nard92 2 жыл бұрын
I know some things! -Charlie lol
@atriiio4244
@atriiio4244 3 жыл бұрын
how about have a podcast when you guys want to. or not even a podcast, maybe some shorts or stuff when an idea or advice come to mind
@khalilslimi8251
@khalilslimi8251 3 жыл бұрын
HI Marshall
@spintherella
@spintherella 2 жыл бұрын
Stan…why you tryin to act so «kewl» be more enthusiastic!!
@maxismakingstuff
@maxismakingstuff 3 жыл бұрын
Marshall I'm going to blow your mind here: A sealion, is not a lion.
@dezzdinn
@dezzdinn 3 жыл бұрын
Ending smending….
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