Making Sense in 2022: Daniel Schmachtenberger, John Vervaeke, Sara Ness & Doshin Roshi

[@CL-he4jz]

"reason and wisdom is the ability to DEEPLY LISTEN" perfect. keeping that one!

[@Jimi_Lee]

It came in handy in college. I didn't necessarily learn more, but I really understood what my professors wanted to see.

[@mediocrates3416]

But, he doesn't tho. He's corrected me once and payed no attention to my explaination, nor anything i've said since. He's peddling his hustle like this channel is. No one says "truth", as though there are no actual facts; and it's very depressing.

[@InvertedInsideout]

I think there is maybe an over emphasis on understanding. Its seems to me that acceptance and mutual respect is more fundamental and achievable. We are all very limited in how much we can understand and how complete our perspective can be. Being caught in a trap where it's taken as a given that understanding is necessary I think is actually part of the dynamic which creates conflict and tension.

[@johnbuckner2828]

I think It’s possible to accept the person & treat them respectfully while keeping some boundaries up. I like to listen and learn because, IMO, this world is like the ‘parable of the blind men & an elephant’; and there are certain beliefs about reality that people need to hold onto for grounding and stability; it helps me better tolerate if I understand why, even if I disagree. What we need to beware of is the paradox of tolerance; finding that healthy place between boundaries and inclusion, because some ideas ought to be rejected, and even fought against because they seem worse than other ideas in a practical sense as far as we can look into the future, and most people don’t seem to have the wisdom these days to know the difference. We are too distracted by noise and shiny things.

[@ThirdGateMedia]

It seems to me there's an over emphasis on being tolerant first and foremost. While there's immense value in that, I believe the pendulum may have swung too far at this time. People are so tolerant that they seem to think that we all have personal truths, and that they are all equally valid. Which have obvious problematic outcomes for both truth and understanding. Can't quite determine if that's what you meant too.

[@TeaParty1776]

Your post is a perfect example of no emphasis on understanding. Accept it.

[@InvertedInsideout]

@@ThirdGateMedia yah its complicated and I'm not sure i can articulate the exact contours of what I mean. I'm not saying understanding isn't important or that we should just tolerate everything. It's more that we are often better off accepting that we don't understand and creating the space to learn. It's largely a comment about humility and acceptance of the unknown. You always have to live with limitations on your understanding of what is right and how you should act. That should not prevent you from formulating and promoting those positions, but people can be so uncomfortable with their limitations and uncertainty that they are driven to overreach and to act with desperation and false certainty. Hopefully that helps to clarify a bit. My emphasis in the first statement should be on not taking the need for understanding as an immediate imperative, basically the idea that understand isn't always as crucial as we might make it oug to be. We can sometimes act in terrible ways because of the knots we tie ourselves into in the pursuit of trying to force everything make sense within our limited perspective and experience.

[@carlt570]

@Gabriel Eggers , one could turn that around and observe that what you have expressed in that post is 'understanding'. I would suggest that "Being caught in a trap where it's a given that 'knowledge/certainty' is necessary is part of the dynamic which creates conflict and tension." ?

[@dannywhite7426]

I think John is really on to something with his music analogy. We've left a large portion of what it means to be human behind. I feel there's a significant landscape to explore here.

[@jasonward2681]

I agree, but speaking as a musician, there seems to be a lack of willingness in the popular culture to accept novelty in music. Popular music seems very tribal and another thing for people to use to self-identify rather than explore for themselves. The other aspect to appreciating music that I think is key is the willingness to open yourself to go where the music wants to take you. A lot of people are unwilling to surrender that self-control, particularly if the "landscape" is new and unsettling - some people are compelled by that, others terrified.

[@Sherifaga]

they use hymns and patriotic songs in communism. music is super powerful

[@mediocrates3416]

There is "the ring of truth"; sense making is like music making in that one is looking for harmonic relationships. Coherence detection is *feeling* for harmonies in Being. The brain is a *feeling* machime.

[@TheDionysianFields]

I don't find much connection between music and logos. We're going to have to go much deeper.

[@thejwkshowyoutube1406]

The first half of the year have been tough and mostly influenced and manipulated by the fear of missing out "FOMO" pushing most investors to dumping of assets, with many achievements not met yet. The race to financial freedom, sustainability and flexibility begins right now.

[@delsineluwilussit3949]

People will definitely be kicking themselves in regret for missing the opportunity to buy and invest in cryptocurrency

[@carinalopez1925]

I'm diversifying and recently my crypto portfolio yields better profits more than any other commodity despite recent dip in price. I'd say "think like a bear and invest like a bull".

[@bobbiebrown9151]

I wanted to trade Crypto but got confused by the fluctuations in price

[@PìnnedByTheJWKShow-q6c]

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[@raresmircea]

Vervaeke hits hard every time. I’m glad for the opportunity of listening to these people online 🤘

[@benioren6120]

These videos are a tremendous service to the people and a strong contribution to building a better world

[@benioren6120]

@@adamsmith307 Adam smith yeah I guess

[@oneilprovost2287]

I'm now trying to make sense of Doshin Roshi with a 'stache. Deeper reflection tells me I'm confused because I know I could never grown one so awesome.

[@tarico4436]

I love it when one of your kind has a Hitl er 'stache. Tuxedo cat, mostly white fur on face, with a black 'stache.

[@Scottlp2]

One critical division-those who need to control others vs those who don’t. If you don’t address this you are missing the most important point.

[@AnaniMosh]

bingo

[@martinzarathustra8604]

Nope. Everyone wants to control others, the ones that claim they are not motivated by control are often the ones that are trying to control the most. We need to be honest about our own selfishness and nearsightedness.

[@AnaniMosh]

@@martinzarathustra8604 You are wrong. Those of us who are thoughtful, considerate, and just want to be left alone get accused of wanting to 'control' those who actually want to control others because we don't want them trying to control us. It's so twisted and manipulative- we're 'controlling' them because we won't let them control us! I have no desire to control others. This may be difficult for those who do want to control others to understand, because they are not familiar with it. For example, I have no idea what it's like to be attracted only to the opposite sex, as I have always been attracted to both, but I understand that that is how many (if not most) people are. I will not deny their experience just because that is not my personal experience. Not everyone is attracted to both sexes but are being dishonest about it or are unwilling to admit it- they truly are only attracted to strictly the opposite sex. I'd rather people control themselves and leave me alone.

[@definitelynotnick2454]

@@AnaniMosh Exactly this, I have no desire to control others. What Martin said is a kafka trap.

[@ejbh3160]

@@martinzarathustra8604"methinks the gentleman doth protest too much"... You're just projecting your own stuff onto others. imo there is a fundamental difference in personality between authoritarians and libertarians... and the push/pull between these two personality types has been going on since the dawn of humanity.

[@Jimi_Lee]

Playing music or singing is even better. Being in key, on time, the collaboration with other musicians, the give and take with listeners is a microcosm of human interaction.

[@evanhadkins5532]

My proposal for two unifying principles: 1) every child born deserves to thrive, 2) prevention is better than cure.

[@hollidayclan4092]

We had 11 of our community go through the last Sensemaking 101 course. We where lucky enough here in Perth WA to do face to face pods “inquiry” everyone got a hell of a lot from it. What Ali & David are offering is needed in the world right now. I’ve had some personal conversations with the both Ali & David and have found them both to have the most genuine intentions for their community moving forward. The whole world needs to go on this course! Bravo Rebel Wisdom 🙏🏼

[@missh1774]

the information, views and the topics are awesome to ponder or consider given the epic events the world has gone through ... however there is only one thing that never seemed to be present in these rebel conversations... indigenous people speaking to these topics from indigenous perspectives.... but i agree it has been amazing ✌ 2021!

[@hollidayclan4092]

@@missh1774 totally agree! It’s time for us all to listen to their wisdom. We must go back to go forward. They are in contact with aboriginal scholar tyson yunkaporta, he also been on the podcast and was part of Jamie Wheel’s book launch.

[@andreh3387]

I like Rebel Wisdom. But here's a contribution:- Sensemaking and related skills, dialogue and coping techniques and platforms to explore such aspects are valuable and indeed important, but has the innate risk of eventually capturing it in itself and becoming more of the same or a repeat of the known (or what is freely accessible on the web), stated in different ways. I'm starting to get a sense that this is happening on Rebel Wisdom - at least on the KZbin channel. That it may fall into the trap of causing a sort of 'analysis paralysis' and eventually an analysis paralysis of the analysis paralysis, so to speak. One message that all contributors seem to share is that 'we don't really know what is going on - it's complex and over-determined - lets try and analyse it the best we can, in the dark'. This is interesting, but getting boring and academic. Maybe it is time to start, in a very grounded, simple and accessible (including we speak about it) way, unpacking the possible future scenarios for humanity, considering what could cause, encourage or limit each of them and engage in discussions about our future opportunities in a very relatable, less quasi-intellectual, semi-academic way. I would certainly keep watching Rebel Wisdom if that happens and even pay to attend an exploratory course on that. What we need now are more concrete solution options (more than just 'we need more empathetic mindful dialogue') and less over-analysis of the trying to grasp the current reality and it's challenges.

[@bradbear]

Agreed. Sounds like you’re looking for a visionary to cut through the clutter and break free from the algorithms that are controlling people’s thoughts and minds.

[@WalkerKlondyke]

Well, I'm glad we got to hear from the Cocktail Party Set.

[@MonaMarMag]

What really surprise me is that many people question things they should not be questioned and do not question things they should . " Pride walks before the fall " - like someone wise ones said .

[@neurojitsu]

Another spin on the idea of understanding, is that it's not primarily intellectual undertanding (ie concepts) that people engage with when they feel compelled to listen. Rather, it's more of a resonance thing: the "relevance realisation" starts with a feeling, or a vague recognition (as in schema or semantic memory) that bubbles up. Vervaeke's 4 types of knowing speaks to this. In my corporate days running change and learning programmes, one way we tried to provoke this sort of understanding was through 'experience days'. We required all executives (about 500 people globally) to spend two or three days living the lives of their people at the "coal face" in call centres, retail stores, construction sites, etc... this lived experience is much more 'meaningful' than intellectualising about the world. Executives - a bit like academics - can spend too much time living in front of screens, sat at desks, creating spreadsheets and presentations... talking 'about' the things they're trying to influence. People FEEL understood, if the executive (in this discussion standing in for someone across a void... in this case hierarchically, but also in life experience and values probably) behaves with respect and shows authentic curiosity. In other words, change is a learning process. As such, it is gradual. The sudden insight so prized by academics and all innovators and deep thinkers (most people here including me) is a peculiar type of insight, that we teach ourselves to curate and engage in discussion about. But in our daily lives, only experienced 'ideas' stick in memory, and carry significance due to their emotional associations. What a call centre rep remembers of an executive is how human she was, the connection they felt (or not), and whether they liked her... As Immordino-Yang's work shows, the early stages of learning are emotional - only later, does the brain formulate a concept or model of what it has learned from experience. So why would we assume someone would "listen" to an argument, and just open up as the light bulb flashed on? It happens, but only in certain special contexts... certainly not social media! It felt like your discussion about "listening" (building bridges across echo chambers) was getting too lost in understanding the system as impartial observers... in my experience, you can't change a system from outside it. You have to be part of it, changing it from the inside.

[@waynestatic9614]

Well said 👏

[@tontogonzales]

Who you are supposed to trust, is you. Listen to everyone you enjoy hearing, begin doing your own research, and trust yourself. When you make mistakes, trust that you can learn.

[@chris432t6]

Vervaeke hits the mark! Thank you RW.

[@MargauxMachek]

Thank you! Fantastic discussion. Keep up the great work 👍

[@werquantum]

I imagine similar conversations were had as we entered the first Dark Ages.

[@peterhardie4151]

Hahaha.

[@missh1774]

id say the magna carta era might have sounded like this too lol

[@werquantum]

@@missh1774 Indeed. Long haul, either way.

[@lekkendedakgoot3573]

Had the exact samen thought!

[@IntuitiveIQ]

With all due respect, the most innovative idea here in the first 20 minutes is to listen to other people like we are listening to music, but this kind of strategy does not address the fundamental reasons why people are incapable of listening in the same way that you listen to music deeply. They are incapable because they are mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, sexually and/or financially unhealthy. Daniel has talked about the need to change the society on a fundamental level in other interviews. This is what needs to take place, which will require a complete change to the global education system. Also, the fact that people are leaving in a line machine because politicians are lying, advertisers are lying, the media is lying, etc. is making the problem exponentially worse. So not only does the global education system need to change, but also many other institutions need to change because those institutions are currently creating the sickness of the society.

[@missh1774]

i could not decide if that was your thoughts or an echo of someone elses...

[@aldebaranredstar]

Well said! Couldn’t agree more.

[@IntuitiveIQ]

@@missh1774 LOL all of my thoughts are my own 😉

[@IntuitiveIQ]

@@aldebaranredstar 🙏🏻

[@albertarnswald]

The current, huge subject of vaccination and vaccines seems totally absent in the Rebel Wisdom discourse. To me that feels almost alienating and unreal. The issues that go along with it are so omnipresent in our lives right now but as it seems not at all within the Rebel Wisdom conversations. Are you beyond the discussion? What have I missed or not seen? What is going on here?

[@roadopener]

Agreed

[@afterthesmash]

What do you suppose Rebel Wisdom could add of value to the vaccine conversation?

[@albertarnswald]

@@afterthesmash Countless aspects of polarisation and force fields are being analysed: what is the logic of ignoring this one? Friendships and relationships are under pressure due to the tremendous social pressure and discussion on vaccination. Rebel Wisdom could do what they have always done: finding a bit more truth and giving meaning to what is going on, contributing to a bit more understanding. Look at what Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying are doing in this respect: they are making such relevant stuff right now. And why making even several video's on some London mayor candidate and not on this issue? It is so very dissapointing to see this happening...

[@andyblick6735]

To focus on it, or talk about it, is to give it energy. Covid doesn't need anymore attention.

[@Petra-o8p]

Agreed@@albertarnswald. Its the elephant in the room.

[@evanhadkins5532]

Clearest statement I've heard from Vervaeke, really good.

[@zpettigrew]

Alan Moore (V for Vendetta, Watchmen author), said information doubling would cause culture to turn into "steam" starting in 2017. I think he was right. Can't think of a way to remedy the situation. It may be impossible to reverse "transition states" (solid, liquid, gas)?

[@IntuitiveIQ]

What you talked about in the beginning ultimately means that people are blaming others rather than taking personal responsibility for how they need to transform in order to create themselves into who they need to be to contribute to a healthy society. Yes, this is a huge problem, which again is the result of an epidemic level of unhealth.

[@jakebullet1731]

“If you’re looking for sense in current year, you’re looking in the wrong place” - Tyrion Lannister, probably

[@robertcox14]

Yeah, but I appreciated arriving HERE. I'm very isolated and politicians are shutting me down as too much of a bother with blocked e-mails - my MP is an answering machine - aggressively ignoring my WRONG views. Check new USA DVEs as described in Jimmy Dore segment - Domestic Violent Extremists, persons against Capitalism as extremists!! I saw an authority figure, somewhere in USA with a purplish uniform and very elaborate decorations with the police-style peaked cap with gold trimmings - Nazi SS!!! Oh, my god, I clicked away.

[@danielleburke6854]

I think that's the only real news on the internet good job what a perfect quote I love it

[@vision325]

The energy of the harvest is upon us. A time when all those unresolved, unattended and deeply repressed shadows are made manifest. Mental constructs used to make sense of the break down of mental constructs feel so inadequate. It's counter intuitive to be still when you are hyper stimulated by the extra energy. All our awakened senses are screaming we must do something, we must understand exactly what is going on. It's extremely thought provoking! Cultivated stillness, how can that possibly help? Are we simply missing the point?

[@Sherifaga]

Yes, most of the time when we want to connect with people there is this identity cover that people sometimes can not go out of. For example talking to my boss I have to call out the real person behind that professional identity and only after that we can talk. For example If I am a manager, I might not want to take the perspective of my employee even when he\she is right or smth like that

[@liminal-observer]

Rebel Wisdom indeed! I'm currently reading Sri Aurobindo's 'The Life Divine' - which, so far, relates directly to this discussion...

[@vu4y3fo846y]

The rational voice in a squabble between two ideological factions is a third party. If you want that reasonable voice to be heard, you have to incentivize the participation of third parties by changing the rules of elections.

[@zaneschannel5250]

You guys should provide a donation option.

[@TacticalAbsentee]

I've been watching Rebel Wisdom almost since it started I think, I used to work a permanent Nightshift for 2 weeks at a time, with believe it or not loads of time to watch a lot of this 'type' of stuff. I sort of regret not doing this first round of 101 and not supporting this, and am considering doing this coming round, but I'm struggling with 1 thing. Daniel, Bret Weistein and co with Game/Plan B and so on, I hear a lot of trying to break this stuff down to levels that you almost need a degree to understand the lingo- but what's the action? What's the execution? You can keep splitting and splitting the issue to the nth normal form, but we, somehow, have to act. Someone has to lead. Who's going to do it, and when, I'll sign up. Like this video has mentioned, the people who follow this are a small collective, but someone needs to make a move. Or maybe I missed that point along the way?

[@johnbuckner2828]

Politics is downstream from culture, most younger people are going to influenced by popular culture; right now a war of ideas, and sensemaking might need some rock stars to deliver the message to the next generation without making it too obvious or cheesy. these guys are singing hymns to kids who like Rhythm and Poetry.

[@missh1774]

hang on... are u responding to the money aspect of this and the subliminal pistake on other podcasters that get funding, sponsers or run patreons? ... yeah i thought it strange too 🤔

[@TacticalAbsentee]

No objection to the cost at all

[@neurojitsu]

You make a great point IMHO. We are all here, I guess, because we're searching for answers about "what's going on" and these guys are theorising about the complex forces at work. But the entry price is a lot of prior knowledge and jargon. If you're searching for a more pragmatic starting point, I'd recommend the writing of David Bohm. What I like about Bohm's writing is that it's all based on his practice of "dialogue" - and I say practice, not concept, because Bohm was a doer! You can find plenty of archive footage on KZbin of dialgues that Bohm had or facilitated... such as with Krishnamurti, or with other academics. What he learned, came from his experiences of having dialogue, from paying attention to his own thought processes (as in conversation theory's ideas about levels of awareness within a conversation). In a nutshell, what Bohm said about dialogue is that deep dialogue requires two qualities: attention and care. Attention is all about exquisite listening, and the intent behind it is to understand the other's point of view, from their point of view not ours. And "care" is simply that desire to make a human connection with someone, to see them for who they are, accept them. This sort of deep dialogue's purpose was to cut through all the "baggage" as Bohm called it, that we all bring to a conversation... and his assertion was that we need to see the person, not the baggage. The problem with "baggage" that he saw is explored in his book "Thought as a system" (actually a transcript of a series of dialogues, so that he didn't 'craft a story' or change what was said and thus lose the meaning - it's an interesting point, I think, that he didn't try to explain dialogue, just enter into it and improve it!). His belief was that the problem with thought (as a system) was what he referred to as "thought reflexes" which are our learned and habitual responses to people, events, trigger words, etc... he intuited much of what neuroscience (and books like Kahnemann's Thinking Fast and Slow) have since 'discovered' but which we all "know" (as in Vervaeke's 4 types of knowing, ironically learned not through conceptual learning but by just navigating the world). It seems to me, Bohm was wise as well as intellectually clever (he was a Nobel prize winning quantum physicist, and protoge of Einstein's)... I'm sure such brilliant minds as Vervaeke's are well-versed in Bohm's writing and thinking, but we have to be mindful/aware when watching this sort of content that even well-intentioned academics are in the business of making a name for themselves, carving out ownership of the ideas they create... whereas us practitioners or users just want thinking tools! One last thought: Charlie Kaufman gave a brilliant BAFTA speach about his writing process. I think artists often have as much insight into these questions about perception and meaning as academics, sometimes more... Some of Kaufman's reflections on writing your "truth" are highly relevant to the themes explored in this video. One simple insight of his is that our culture is all about "marketing" - and to speak truth, you can't be trying to sell something... you have to let people see the real you, not the 'marketing persona' (ie personal brand). For an even more tangential exploration of "navigating" you might want to check out the work of painter Georges Seurat. I forget the book's name, but there's a book about the painter and his work that explores why he painted in his pointillist style. To cut a long story short, he was fascinated by navigation (as in marine navigation), and his paintings were often painted on holiday whilst visiting a new port. He'd paint the same place from different perspectives, literally walking miles to do so. These collections were intended to be seen in a gallery together, as an exploration of perception - and how we navigate our world.

[@missh1774]

@@neurojitsu well then ... someone surely has the capability to pull these findings together to present them as achieved goals in this quarter.... hopefully they will get a bonus soon. btw they almost did probono really well ... up untill they all decided to take it to the profit vs AI level ... eek! i can imagine what its all gonna look like in the next quarter ... i just hope they consider creating a media honor treaty for minority groups. oh and thanks for the Bohm reading ✌✌✌

[@zenanon7169]

I don't have trouble making sense of things....I think for myself.

[@Flowwkage]

Respect for reality implies an interest in the way other people see it.

[@martinzarathustra8604]

The first sign of ignorance is the inability to have epistemic humility.

[@vu4y3fo846y]

The most convincing explanation I've found for our polarized situation is the mathematical phenomena of Duverger's Law. If that really is the source of this, then we have only to reengineer the electoral system to defuse this divide, nothing else will work.

[@missh1774]

arggh get rid of the election system altogether

[@aldebaranredstar]

Getting rid of the electoral college system, which is only used for potus, would bring on much worse division. Unless I misunderstood what you meant by “reengineer the electoral system”? But if you mean, the federalization of elections, I still think it will make for more division .

[@missh1774]

@@aldebaranredstar yes. ur right ... re-engineer it... toward a futuristic system of governance for each world.

[@jjuniper274]

Can someone please explain the meaning of the term Conspirituality? Thank you kindly.

[@mediocrates3416]

If you use the word "conspiracy", you are expelled.

[@zpettigrew]

I may be out of touch? Is the hyper-polarity getting even worse? I'm not surprised. Just hard to see how it could get worse than 2020. I don't really do social media. Do love these discussions on Rebel Wisdom though.

[@vincentlaw1415]

I'm still trying to process the view of Doshin Roshi with a badass mustache. When you think a person can't get more powerful......

[@evanhadkins5532]

It'd be worth providing the opportunity for people to sponsor others fees for the course.

[@nicholasmitchell8749]

All Hope's are pinned on 11 young talented men as a unifying factor!

[@daisyviluck7932]

14:55 because at one point everybody decided that there is no objective reality

[@AnaniMosh]

Everybody?

[@daisyviluck7932]

Robin Wolke LOL no, not “everybody “. But enough people to cause a tipping point

[@WanderingLogos]

People know things by building on beliefs. It’s a belief hierarchy that allows for projection. It works like this: (example) Base belief - “Religious people are bad. Let’s take action.” “expose the religious people” Repeat Repeat Repeat Beliefs creep further - “all people that even seem religious in any way are bad” Repeat Repeat Repeat Beliefs reach furthest edge - “everyone not with us is bad” ... ... ... Loss of interest - “ok.. so, we were becoming a bit religious. Let’s go another way” The last step is quiet so you don’t see it

[@bellnoor]

I recall from one of my essay subjects, I wrote about, communication quality, effectiveness and efficiencies. I was on about how people aren't attaching meaning to their words and not making sounds that are relevant, relative to its depth, whivh thought that, affected the audience, platforms, meaning, relativity, also its reliability. My goodness, is this a very fashionable talk item nowadays... of course my take of information influence comes from Ludwig Wittgenstein and Arthur Schopenhauer.

[@Monchkrit]

I think what is missing is that in the land of slander and defamation when a person fails to convince someone through the merit of their arguments they are prone to resort to using the weapon of demoralization. That is, attacking their morals so as to suck the rationality out of someone's beliefs, and make them feel bad about the things they believe. They force the question: why should I continue believing this after I have found out other people deem it immoral?

[@nowmindfulheart]

Intellectual and Cultural mitosis. Simultaneously divide and unite. The E-ecosystem constantly growing / evolving

[@eholmes9612]

People find it hard to think straight when they are paralysed by fear. Several other SPI-B scientists came out to speak against the fear-mongering during the COVID panic. One said, that they were “stunned by the weaponization of behavioral psychology…psychologists didn’t seem to notice when it stopped being altruistic and became manipulative. They have too much power and it intoxicates them”.

[@OfZeitgeist]

11:00 makes me think of dozens of free-falling parachutists all trying to join hands. Difficult but not impossible.

[@telekatron]

I wanna go!

[@vangoghsear8657]

Maybe the battle lies fighting against technology being the host of our lives rather than our political rivalries. Maybe we need to retreat from that mindset. Music and art need to come before technology. This whole practice of listening thing is nice, but I get the sense it’s Internet personalities that need it rather than rank-and-file ordinary people. Good video anyways. Vervaekes point about oneness and music was great.

[@CL-he4jz]

i agree about music & art! I do believe from my experience, with colleagues, (in live & in text conversation), that deep listening IS essential for all of us, for reason & wisdom to emerge, (not for weaponisation). Being space for others & vice versa. Most people in my outer circle overtly do not listen. And they are musicians, as am I.

[@anthonynicoli]

Where can I find a simple explanation of post modernism? I hear the term a lot, but it is rarely defined. And whatever it really is, it sure seems like most people think it’s bad. For that matter, what is modernism? And what is antiquated or dated or traditional?

[@jrd33]

You are more likely to find good information using a search engine on the Internet than asking in a youtube comments section. Whole articles have been written in answer to your questions. Wikipedia is a good starting place.

[@pm71241]

I think Sam Harris said that if there was such a thing as being a "member" of the IDW and if people regarded him as one of them he would hereby turn in his membership card. He has all the time said he regarded it as a tongue-in-cheek thing.

[@okafka5446]

His hubris wasn’t quite up to it.

[@heatherc1563]

If sense making isn't a lonely place you probably aren't doing it right.

[@danthemansmail]

The more proficient you become at it, the more alienated you are from.....virtually everyone.

[@heatherc1563]

@@danthemansmail what do you think might drive a person to pursue it despite the difficulty?

[@danthemansmail]

@@heatherc1563 I think those of us who seek it...those brave few...really don't have a choice in the matter. I think it's just who we are...a combination of nature and nurture that has led us to this lonely place. Yet I wouldn't trade a minute of my mental loneliness for a lifetime membership in the herd.

[@benjaminroberts6875]

Slow down, Vervaeke. I'm taking Notes.

[@afterthesmash]

"Slow down Vervaeke" is a command to the Rebel Wisdom hosts. "Slow down, Vervaeke" is a request to Vervaeke.

[@benjaminroberts6875]

@@afterthesmash Good point, Allan. I'll clarify my grammar. I also shouldn't capitalize the noun, ''notes'' but I made that mistake on purpose. Unfortunately, I often rely on Grammarly more than I should.

[@freyahopcroft]

Doshin's tach for the win

[@zenanon7169]

pleasantly surprised...wasn't sure if the libs could put a viable video together on this subject

[@pedrogorilla483]

Who’s the libs?

[@missh1774]

good one 😁

[@afterthesmash]

5:30 The IDW was never a coherent tribe and I got the feeling Sam was on the outs immediately after the Pangburn fiasco damaged many brands.

[@liamnewsom8583]

Aww like only a few minutes from doshin

[@OfZeitgeist]

26:00 perhaps the projected anger exists because people are angry at their partners or family but can't get away from them because of The Great Global Shut-down. They have to live with these people. Being angry on line or with strangers is a path of less resistance

[@missh1774]

i dunno what ever happened to a good old voodoo or spell casting ... right? 😁 im teasing... science is best ✊!

[@OfZeitgeist]

@@missh1774 😆

[@bradbear]

I think I have a crush on Daniel Schmack

[@richardpetersen2747]

20 min in to this video and nothing has been said.

[@HakWilliams]

WHO'S READY FOR A SCHMACHT-DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????

[@dominostimes2119]

Seems like all the people agreed from the start about the idea of this complete society In the end the few people on the top made it for themselves i.e belief crisis

[@ruipedroparada]

perhaps the meaning crisis is also being led by non-dhammic mindfulness?

[@missh1774]

do u think this lot is the canadian branch of idw?

[@mygirl737g2]

deeply listening takes a lot of work and patience (sigh)

[@mellonglass]

Interesting both the ‘performative’ and the ‘shoot the messenger’, is Rebel Wisdoms ‘lived example’, yet still the circling of humans seems used as an afterthought. If for example the ‘conspiracy’ examples are an event to circle say a group of 12 people, the conspiracy will gain the reason to not waste energy on the past event, but make energy to give for the future. (Bucky Fuller) Ie: chasing around after a mayor to punish, instead of making the new model longer term. Love is always harder than hate. The corporation is built on waste, this waste is repeated until stranded, the culture of waste is complete, yet not correct to nature or our survival. Interesting to see Daniel support and justify the extractive model he doesn’t pay for, and not the ‘vocational’ model needed. One is a lifestyle, the other is unsustainable.

[@mellonglass]

Jakub Mokros corporation was a design of economics to be temporary, it then became permanent when a corporation now has a human right to exist by law, for the purpose of harm to benefit imagined wealth until too big to fail.

[@mellonglass]

Jakub Mokros if one is to research how the ‘corporation’ came in to existence, then it becomes more obvious why they were legally limited to one term of existence and then disbanded.

[@ejenkins4711]

Cosmic nuts, why don't they call for the the rainmaker

[@missh1774]

u should brand it and see if it will sell in thier merc shop ... who the fk dont like a good cosmic nut? 😚

[@ejenkins4711]

@@missh1774 my dear little angel do you know who was the last cosmic nut to tell the story of the rainmaker?

[@missh1774]

@E Jenkins ... hmm not Delmah... not Gallileo... not He-man... not Einstien ... not Tony Stark .. ahhh its a toss up between Hawkings or a politician 🤔... im being silly. nope i do not know that particular version or direction of your message.

[@ejenkins4711]

@@missh1774 I like your style little H, have you ever came across M L von France?

[@missh1774]

@@ejenkins4711 she seems like my kinda scientist... thank you. oh it reminds me! ...i really did wonder about the story of hansel and gretel when i heard this podcast yesterday. her work offers insight to some of the transmissions when interpreting the retrieval or response to cosmic axion structures.

[@OfZeitgeist]

6:00 people are certain because that's what they're told and forced to parrot to avoid tribe exclusion. They're not just meat robots they're naked apes.

[@missh1774]

certainty has an external representation result... yes?

[@OfZeitgeist]

@@missh1774 yes. They've been captured

[@richardpetersen2747]

30 min. of people saying absolutely nothing with a million words.

[@jato72]

I am 19 minutes in and waiting for some broad policy recommendations. I do enjoy the conversation. I do not want to demean the speakers, they provide good content.

[@davelewis7098]

Being working class and pretty poor in comparison spiritual enlightenment should not ever come at a cost monetary wise these people who charge are generally grifters at the highest level God bless you all and only he can judge !!!! 😇♥️

[@samuelcorp637]

I disagree, groups can liberate themselves. Those that support slavery are virtueless or near virtueless.

[@carastephens1612]

Damn damn when you discuss sense and mindfulness remember that it's in our hard drive to alienate our own, the internal psychy is preparing us for war in a systematic separation of the fittest

[@w.harrison7277]

Vervaeke saying we should "deeply listen". That's important, but I don't see it overcoming Judeofeminism, which is genetic and not going away. The ideology compels the fembots to linguistically affirm ingroup/outgroup as a compulsion, producing continuous insult to outgroup, free, citizens.

[@jjuniper274]

Gender pronouns are logical, I believe predominantly when you are addressing entirely different cultures, and over email. If you cannot see the person you are addressing, and they don't have an easily identifiable name like Michael or Lisa, e.g., if someone's name is Wei Wei or Zhou, and they are addressing a person from the west, they should give them a gender, to be polite and vice versa. Zoom makes this obsolete.

[@mellonglass]

sticking labels on anything, is ‘impolite’ that is why polity is a failure to notice people, more than the words that are spoken.

[@jjuniper274]

@@mellonglass Yet, our unis and corps are promoting this as part of cross cultural comm. At least they did when I was there 15-20 years ago. I wonder if these movements were just dropped for a year, if that could help with balance?

[@chetgaines1289]

how are you "afraid to speak" in your own workshop lol?

[@afterthesmash]

I barely know anyone in the teaching profession who isn't at least a little bit afraid, at some level, of crossing an invisible line into an invisible mine field.

[@chetgaines1289]

@@afterthesmash this is a workshop for a youtube channel. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@danielleburke6854]

It blows my mind that in a science or acidemia setting two places I will never find myself in that pronouns would even be something that would be an issue ever .I never would have ever thought people really would have to worry about something so pop culture maybe would be how to put it ?

[@DarkMoonDroid]

I'm sorry, but whenever you put solutions behind a paywall, you become part of the problem. Make rich people pay for entertainment and luxury and use the profits from that to distribute solutions for free.

[@afterthesmash]

You're either serious, which is a problem, or you're not serious, which is also a problem. Ideological exploration of the online gift economy was a happening thing back in 1997. I remember, because I was there. Going back a little further, the earliest known ballads featuring Robin Hood date from the 1400s. "No extant early ballad actually shows Robin Hood 'giving to the poor', although in "A Gest of Robyn Hode" Robin does make a large loan to an unfortunate knight, which he does not in the end require to be repaid; and later in the same ballad Robin Hood states his intention of giving money to the next traveler to come down the road if he happens to be poor."

[@richardpetersen2747]

State a FACT. You woke don't have a clue. No matter how many words you use. Without FACT backing it up. Its just a pile of words.

[@ruipedroparada]

also very interesting that the Buddha considered music "wrong samadhi", or rather, "misguided samadhi" (in a more compassionate translation of micca-samadhi)

[@mariopaolo93]

I don't know who needs to hear this but stop saving all your money, invest some of it if you really want financial freedom

[@clarkkenneth2229]

I believe it's a bigger opportunity than movies.... retail or anything like that. Because this is something that almost everyone in the world is required to have, and a crypto-based technology is leading its permanent "digital shift" right now.

[@maxwelljaji.1661]

Honestly I tell this my friends everyday, it's good to save money but you gotta have that investing spirit if you really want financial freedom.

[@maxwelljaji.1661]

@pinned by The Bitcoin Burner Dear, this is 2021. People who aren't even trader still make money from the crypto and forex market

[@maxwelljaji.1661]

If think you're too busy to trade or learn how to trade, just know I have some friends who don't even know a thing about trading but invest in a platform where an expert helps them trade, and they get paid profit every week

[@maxwelljaji.1661]

My trading mentor ;Mr Steven Cohen runs an investment platform like that

[@ellekewilms6891]

Being certain about things you can't be certain about - like medical issues.... hmm, like this 'vaccinate' or else?

[@richardpetersen2747]

Any KZbin talk show is a Joke.

[@vu4y3fo846y]

Surety brings ruin

[@TheTusica]

And by the way ..you gays..you are sooooo deviating from real life ..nice to theoretical...playing a fake reality ( probably for fun or ..felling important...) But REAL life go on ..as always DO for millennia..the rest is " blowing in the wind " & tragically lots of dead people ( because ..that is the faith of all empires ) all best from Eastern Europe!

[@TeaParty1776]

McDonalds sells a Schmachtenberger w/french fries and a Coke.

[@richardpetersen2747]

KZbin backed propaganda.

[@sayavita1662]

So much blah blah blah....