Makita 40v 1/2" Router takes on Plunge Routers from Milwaukee and HiKoki (Metabo HPT)

[@myinlawsitsupport972]

$187 for the Metabo HPT here in the states. I can get a battery or the wall adapter and still come in under what the bare tool would cost for Makita, Milwaukee or even the new Dewalt. May not be perfect but cost savings alone on a high quality tool would have me pulling the trigger on the Green one.

[@tristanpatterson3843]

I own 3 of their big old corded ones. Solid beasts. Their guides are the best once you put a solid strip of hardwood on them.

[@Adrian-AosFotos-Irish]

The Dewalt is coming can't wait to see how it compares .

[@ProToolsApproved]

Looks like a beauty. If I wasn't so happy with the Metabo HPT, i'd grab one now. Guess i'll wait for it to hit a sale or drop in price next year.

[@1972Russianwolf]

If Makita had an AC adapter, I'd be sold completely. Until then, I go GREEN.

[@default9740]

Nice one Tools! Looking forward to the Dewalt 1/2” jobbie coming out later this year: they’ve decided to stay at 18V, but the kits will come with the 5AH powerstack batteries. DCW620

[@AlexKall]

Thank you for the video, been looking forward to this one!

[@riba2233]

Oh boy we waited so long for this one 😊 thanks for the great video, I really appreciate the comparison with the other two, makita looks really good and also the tabless pack looks better than the forge one, more Wh in the same weight class and less heat, just as I expected.

[@toolscientist]

I'm surprised about the power. I expected the lower capacity LiPo to beat a tabless cylindrical. If the BL404F is truly more powerful, then LiPo batteries will be very short lived in the power tool world.

[@toolscientist]

I just remembered that the 6Ah Forge has 2 or 4 cutoff mosfets in parallel, so that'll hurt it a bit, especially on long runs when they heat up.

[@riba2233]

@@toolscientist agreed, imho lipo was good just as a stop gap before tabless cells :) and mosfets don't help ofc.

[@toolscientist]

​@riba2233 I think they'd be good for small batteries. A 1Ah XGT would be great. Also a 1Ah 18V the size of a CXT.

[@riba2233]

@@toolscientist yeah that is a good use case for sure, like 1.7ah

[@derekrundlett8450]

Got the the green and red one. Time for the Makita! Just gotta figure out how to hide it from the wife.

[@RJ-yl7cc]

I know right. I just snuck in a few deliveries from the porch into my shop. Once in the shop it blends in. lol

[@roland985]

I am so glad I went with Makita over the other brands. Especially with the new reliability concerns with Milwaukee impacts that Torque Test Channel showed.

[@frenchyroastify]

I use a lot of Makita tools all day, and they never fail.

[@joehart3826]

No mains, so Hikoki wins

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

Really liking that power button and trigger setup

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

If there was going to be a tool that could get me to begin crossing over to XGT from LXT, this is it

[@ChrisT-yb8tf]

I am here for this! Super excited

[@АлександрЕмельянов-ч3н]

Молодец все,как всегда супер,Вы самый лучший обзорщик,макита рулит,как всегда!!!

[@fiaao546]

I'm surprised no one till now has talked about the poor power button placement on the milwaukee.

[@mrcultureshock]

Hopefully you'll compare the new Dewalt 2.5HP router vs the Makita, Hikoki, and Milwaukee.

[@igorreshetov7565]

Definitely , would love to see that review, it’s for sale in US and CANADA already and Dewalt has some really nice futures

[@dcl97]

Milwaukee has taken 18v father than I ever thought possible, but their latest tools have only served to highlight the limitations of lower voltage. They all seem to run hot, they all seem to thermal overload, they all seem to have reliability issues.

[@alouisschafer7212]

More than happy to have gone with Makita then, they dont seem to squeeze every percent of power out of their tools at the cost of reliability. Im surprised Milwaukee did so poorly in the stress test here I would have though the router would power trough regardless in typical Milwaukee fashion.

[@iDPG95]

I completely agree. I have some M18 tools, and while I really like them, they definitely fly too close to the sun with how hard they're willing to push those 18v batteries. Drawing more and more current just does not bode well when you need that sustained power (such as using a 1/2" router). I think the 36v system that Makita has with their XGT line hits that sweet spot of being able to take advantage of twice the voltage and half the current, but they are still able to make them sized very reasonably.

[@jeroen2082]

I really like the Multi-Volt concept. Be able to use both 18v and 36v equipment with the same batteries and chargers. So I would pick HiKOKI.

[@nfi2nfi2]

Got the hikoki reps to give you a trial of the paslode killer at the end of the year? Apparently they shaved off a decent amount of weight for there 2nd gen framer. More in-line with paslode weight.

[@patbird9694]

Wish you tested the xgt 1/2 inch against the xgt router . Maybe in the future 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@paulchristopher98]

Not feeling bad about picking up the hikoki router today after watching this. Is the Milwaukee really that clunky with a 12ah on top. I quite like it on my 1/4” with plunge base

[@default9740]

Damn, that rain! I so don’t miss Auckland. Said smugly from Central😉

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

I thought you were in Dunners?

[@default9740]

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIALwas….finally moved back where I came from. Based near Cromwell.

[@БулатБасыров-у2щ]

МАКІТА заметно тише конкурентов, комфорт в работе ощутимее. Благодарю за обзор Макита рулит ✊ Булатеый лайк мой👍

[@АлександрЕмельянов-ч3н]

Да Булат отсасали эти оба фрезера у макиты и даже хвалкная батарейка форж от милке ей не помогла,греется,как собака и расходуется очень быстро,вои для чего нужно 40в,макита молодцы,как всегда самый лучший,мощный и достойный инструмент,ты прав макита рулит,а конкурееты пусть зализывают раны!!!😊

[@БулатБасыров-у2щ]

@@АлександрЕмельянов-ч3н Приветствую, Александр✊ Да 40 вольт 💪мощь. Очень рад, что я выбрал в своЁ время именно Макиту.

[@aembury]

Honest question... I'm already in the Milwaukee platform and Metabo (HiKOKI + just a circular saw) - I'm thinking of trying to sell the Metabo saw and get into XGT... However, I'm in dire need of a plunge router that has a track compatibility and Festool just breaks the budget. Is the Milwaukee router + plunge worth it? Or cheaper to just get the Makita with a free battery?

[@frenchyroastify]

Another stellar review. I hope Makita watches.

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

They already have

[@nfi2nfi2]

Haven’t watched yet but here for Makita vs Hikoki 😂 I suppose red is there. Hikoki = 1/2” first cordless router for years Red = we saw the competition and decided let’s make a worse version. Makita = yoink my crown now!

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

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[@nfi2nfi2]

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIALbrutal 😂 still impressive for cordless, I own the hikoki and that is a beast and for the Makita to have more power crazy. They don’t have an AC adapter yet though. These things are thirsty. I suppose you could wear the battery pack with Makita 😂 and the adapter from that.

[@nfi2nfi2]

Wonder if you’ll need to retest when hikoki brings out there own 36v non mutlivolt

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

The testing is never-ending...

[@Xpid07]

Any chance well get a review of the new dewalt? As well as a comparison vs those routers?

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Might happen.

[@AB-un2yr]

Please revisit this test with an 8.0 Forge when you get one. 😊 Does the 2.5 40v batt hold up to this test? Would probably be closer to the 6.0 Forge... Hopefully some 5ah tabless cells can start making their way into these 18/36v tools along w/ some tabless 1865s… Love your channel!

[@colecostain1911]

Hey tools could you do a quick short comparing this 40v router vs regular smaller 40v router? Speed test maybe?

[@EliotTruelove]

I would love, for testing purposes, the 8ah makota vs the 12ah Milwaukee

[@marlowkenyon307]

I wonder how the milwaukee plunge router will do with the new tabless forge batteris?

[@Kiwi_Bayer]

Nice and informative vid. I have alot of the Hikoki gear and missing the Router so im curious to know if you've had a response from Hikoki at all, cos seeing that run comparison is a little bit concerning.

[@Dragonited]

Yeah, the dust collection is usually pretty atrocious on routers, especially on sidecuts when the bottom is open. Don't know if Festool have a patent on their dust hood for their router, but that solution does work much better, especially with an up-cut bit that pulls the debris toward the dust extraction. You're also right in the attachment of the dust hood is bad. They haven't changed that in forever unfortunately. 😕 Milwaukee's way is much better though they most likely have a patent on that, but I can see some issue with wanting to push the router against your guide and have the dust hose away from you and the none springer fastening screws is an issue. Have found that putting on a small rubber ring on the screw like I believe the ones on the Makita have, or you can take a spring from an old pen or a nasal spray bottle.

[@abelgerli]

Are there optional 12mm and 8mm colletes they should fit in the router also.Nm I have to buy a 1/2 ' collet for my 240V router in germany, i knew the makita part number but i had to buy it online in the UK just to be able to use chepo 1/2' bits. This was just Makita not being flexible.

[@UncleIvan1]

One of the reasons I switched fully to makita was due to Milwaukee batteries overheating

[@WombleUK]

I would have to get my hands on one of these to see how that plunge lever feels, because it's arse about face & should be on the other side so you can operate it with your right hand thumb. That dust extraction is appaling compared to my Festool OF2200 I have used 30mm cutters in MDF & get almost zero dust. I got to be honest with the sort of work 1/2" routers are used for I am not convinced about cordless, but for 1/4" my cordless dewalt is one of the best tools I have bought thr batteries last absolutely ages for trimming & with small cutters.

[@DakkaDakkaDakkaWaagh]

hikoki does have tableless cells now. Id love to see some stuff on that on your channel

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Coming soon...

[@DakkaDakkaDakkaWaagh]

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL woooh

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Just finished filming the first one.

[@uncomnselecta9698]

Any quick release tab for the guide bush like on the corded version?

[@AllodialTitle]

I'm disappointed that dewalt didn't go flexvolt. I think that I'm sticking with corded.

[@igorreshetov7565]

Please make comparison review with a new Dewalt , it has some really nice features, definitely better dust collection, but what about power ?…..

[@patbird9694]

Thank you mr tools .

[@evahsia]

I think it would be worth mentioning the actual energy in each battery (Watt-hours). The Makita is (36V*4Ah=144Wh) and the Milwaukee is (18V*6Ah=108Wh). So, one would expect the Milwaukee battery to be exhausted first. Motors are measured in power, not volts or amps. The Milwaukee draws (up to) 1680 Watts (2.25 hp).

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

And the Makita draws up to 1900W Get that calculator out.

[@АлександрЕмельянов-ч3н]

Здравствуй уважаемый автор канала!А этот новый фрезер может работать со всеми фрезами такими,как 6;8 и 12мм? Благодарю заранее!!!

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Depends on region. Different countries come with different sizes. If that's the sizes that are mostly used where you live that is what it'll likely come with. Otherwise you can buy them separately.

[@ProToolsApproved]

The dust collection issue. Seems to me, someone who's very good with designing and a 3D printer could better design the plastic pieces for each router. Paired with your knowledge of how the dust acts with each style of cut/each type of router bit. It would add up $$ to want/buy multiple dust collectors for your router, but if you do a lot of routing it could be a good expense. If you were to team up with a designer to make these......I see a ton of extra income once the designs are fine tuned.

[@adamlo5025]

Please do review the new makita DRT52z LXT trim router! Looks kinda crap but would love to be proved otherwise. Anyways love your stuff as always !

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

I reviewed it years ago. And have done a few comparison videos with it.

[@sabas7007]

Can guides be exchanged?

[@robertrada4783]

You think routers are the worst tool for dust extraction because you don’t have a Festool router. These other brands are too fucked to even bother copying their edge work chip guards. It’s a huge irk of mine, tbh. Mostly it’s just an embarrassment for the other router manufacturers. It’s not rocket science. 90% dust extraction on a bad day.

[@toolscientist]

Could be patented. How old is the Festool design?

[@AlexKall]

Copying? I think that would put them in a legal bind.

[@ProToolsApproved]

For the Festool tax. 😂😂😂

[@nominalvelocity]

@@toolscientist I think the current incarnations of their routers are about 10 years old except for the smallest one, but I'm pretty sure the dust collector hasn't changed much in nearly 20 years.

[@nominalvelocity]

True. Honestly, out of all of Festool tools, I feel least offended by the price of their routers. They're well thought out enough to justify it, and they come fairly well kitted out, whereas you have to add on to most other routers, making the price difference a bit less. I just don't use a hand router enough to justify much more than a palm router with a plunge base.

[@sageheart7]

please do hikoki C3606DB

[@default9740]

Slightly dissenting opinion on the voltage/ current/ heat from the battery. The source voltage at cell/ pouch level is always a nominal 3.6V for lithium cells, right? If that’s the case, then current is relatively equivalent at the cell level. Things obviously change in the BMS, which is probably where the M18 starts to struggle, it’s dealing with 3x the current of the others. The motors though: the Hikoki should be running at 1/3 the current of the M18. The Hikoki tool shouldn’t be overheating compared to the M18. Maybe the Hikoki motor is too light for the job, the M18 may have heavier windings and better heat management in the tool.

[@toolscientist]

Agree. At the cell level they're the same (although the LiPo complicates things). It's in the wiring, switches, and mosfets where 36V will beat 18V. It should be 1/2 rather than 1/3 - 18V is 1/2 of 36V.

[@default9740]

@@toolscientist my bad, was stuck in the Flexvolt equation.

[@CowsGoMonkey]

HIKOKI does more work in a given time too compared to milwaukee.

[@isaiahsexton1423]

i can’t wait for you to compare dewalt a new router

[@isaiahsexton1423]

or their belt sander i really want to see the belt sander

[@kizzjd9578]

Drt50z dust extraction is probably 95%

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Yeah it's much better than these 3.

[@tristanpatterson3843]

The button by the trigger defeats the purpose of a dead man trigger. May as well just have a switch.

[@bengthokanson700]

Got to see the makita against the new Dewalt.

[@planespeaking]

Makita accessory rails fit the hikoki too.

[@charizzkalum9137]

Hikoki getting pretty old now though been out for a while

[@UKTOOLTALK]

Woooo hoooo win for team teal,even tho real men cut metal not wood 🤪🤪🤪 (im joking!! Big love for woodf###ers) great to see Tony appearing twice GOOOOO TONYYY!!!!, informative and entertaining mr tools plus iv got to say (youtube in the weeds alert!) great lighting for your interior shots!! Mmmmmm I’ll give this video a 9 out of ten I think 🤔

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Go watch the video I just put up 😉

[@peternatoli2555]

Do you clean the straight bits after using them in the previous router used? May I also ask if the base on the makita is as slippery and efficient as the hikoki? Could the Milwaukee have been gripped by the side fence and the router arm for a superior experience in fence work? Thank you.

[@campbellbuilt]

It has nothing to do with 18v, Milwaukee battery's are just trash period.

[@TooltechGermany]

❤❤❤🎉🎉

[@Arturas1244]

aa you missed why you need connected to wall wire add. its damn simple and is major thing in this tool. flip tool upsidedown, make a table, make a hole in table boom , you have table router, make a wall. now you can connect to wall always and add dust extraction and if you making boards you will use only table router and on some accasions you will remove it from table. major 3 machines in woodworking, table saw, table router, and planer also the one which is like table. these tools are the tools you need to work ow also drill knife amd bam you can build furniture, boards anything from wood

[@robertdascoli949]

The plunge router doesn't come with driver bits? What a rip-off!

[@riba2233]

yeah I was also shocked...

[@zarajoe1]

The voltage can make things a bit more efficient for the tool. However the tools voltage means nothing to the batteries, the amount of amps required from each cell will be the same regardless. I don't care about the type of batteries used is what it is

[@NaenaeBoy]

There are certain tools that dont need to be cordless. A router is one of them.

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Someone says this on almost every tool I review.

[@ChrisT-yb8tf]

A lot of framers want and will use cordless routers. There is definitely a market for it.

[@N1rOx]

As a residential carpenter I whole heartedly disagree. Different if I were in a shop, but in that case I'd take the Hikoki and just use their adapter while still keeping the versatility of cordless.

[@kawawalker]

You are free to stuck your cord on any corner of your choice and leave a special mark on the worked piece. It gives a certain fashion to the finished product!

[@robertrada4783]

Man, anyone with a modicum of common sense can figure out that the Creen battery is nothing but shit from a mile away. Oh wait, this about routers.

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Sure is! And it's Ceenr, not Creen.

[@riba2233]

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL it is interesting, ceenr when you read it sounds almost exactly like "cener" which is used in my language to describe a single unit of currency, but is mostly used to describe something really cheap :D

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

😆That sounds about right😂

[@mariuskeusch9217]

With the tabless Battery the Hikoki would perform better.

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Yeah, it might, but it hadn't been released when this video was made.

[@richiejames928]

Makita doesn’t need that horrible unlock button if it has the thumb button and trigger. little things like that get very annoying. sadly that’s just health and safety gone mad again. if you need that many health and safety steps….you shouldn’t be allowed on the tools anyway.

[@derekrundlett8450]

Got the the green and red one. Time for the Makita! Just gotta figure out how to hide it from the wife.