Malazan Book of the Fallen: Midnight Tides by Steven Erikson Spoiler Talk #2

[@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy]

The book of bros! Malazan is full of surprises, not least of which is how different readers react to different things. Like you, I feel for Rhulad, and I enjoy the Crimson Guard, who show up a lot more in the Esslemont books. Also, you’re allowed to “skim” the epigraphs, but you’ll have to read the entire book all over again if you “skip” even one because it doesn’t count until you read every single word. 😁

[@Paul_van_Doleweerd]

Or read them after you finish the book and see if they make more sense. 😊

[@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy]

@@Paul_van_Doleweerd That’s actually not a terrible idea!

[@Paul_van_Doleweerd]

@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy Thanks. I think. At any rate, you might pick up on some of the ways Erikson foreshadows, and 'get' some future hints more easily.

[@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy]

@@Paul_van_Doleweerd You’re very welcome! 😁

[@ACriticalDragon]

Hi Mike, I am really pleased that this one was firmly in the win column for you. I find it really interesting that we all have different aspects, characters, and plot arcs that resonate with us, or that we have different reasons for why we like/dislike something. A strength of the series for me is the sheer variety of storytelling across the series. None of the books feel like X part 2, they each feel like their own story. (The disadvantage is that some will resonate more strongly than others). It is always great to hear your point of view. I look forward to these videos and even when we have divergent opinions they are always interesting and worth watching. Thank you for the great video and I look forward to the next one.

[@piderman871]

Trull asked Seren to marry him, was what that moment was :) "And he was holding the sheathed sword out to her. At the threshold of her home." This was explained early on in the book, Fear offered Mayen his sword, and she buried it in front of her door (at the threshold). This is their betrothal. And while Seren isn't Tiste Edur, she knows damn well how that custom goes. But of course, Trull and Seren both were too chicken to say it out loud and the moment passed.

[@MaxCadyS]

I think there’s an earlier moment where Seren has been given a grace period to get out of Trull’s village before Rhulad and co invade her home city. I think Seren and Trull have a moment then.

[@francb1634]

@@MaxCadyS Ya I think that's the moment that Mike was talking about. There's a lot expressed in that wordless exchange.

[@mikesbookreviews]

Yeah I never would have pieced that together ha ha

[@IskarJarak]

If someone tells you to quit because you don’t like tehol & bugg, that’s a total Errant move! When Brys absolutely destroys Rhulad, that was dope.

[@shawngillogly6873]

If you had to like Tehol and Bugg to like Malazan I'd have never reread it. Because they've always fallen flat with me. Honestly, the Tiste Edur do entirely. But, as I say, that makes Reaper's Gale all the better.

[@mikesbookreviews]

I see what you did there.

[@Tremain]

One little detail you might have missed: the Tiste Edur Bugg sends into the ocean when he catches them beating Tehol is the one that washes ashore in Memories of Ice.

[@tristancambonie2335]

What makes you think that ? At the time, I interpreted that as a foreshadowing of the Edur naval expansion, but we don't have any more clues that the Edur's ships reached genabackis, so your hypothesis is interesting.

[@Tremain]

@@tristancambonie2335 I believe the timing matches up.

[@TheCrazyCanuck420]

I was wondering about that but wasn't sure the timeline matches up properly.

[@eyeofsauron628]

That makes sense, in MoI there was a line when Paran was inside Rake’s sword I think of something along the lines of “Deliverer of Midnight Tides”

[@pranavroh]

Great talk Mike. No spoilers for the next two books as I am currently chugging through Reaper's Gale , just wanted to comment on a few scenes. The scene with the Sengar brothers before the battle and between Trull and Seren deeply affected me as well. As far as interpreting the scene with Trull and Seren goes, it might help you to remember the betrothal ceremony between Mayen and Fear and whether there were any parallels between them. Rhulad is a brilliant character - someone I feel deep pity and compassion for despite the horrific things he does - you are going to enjoy reading him in future books. The Tiste Edur, represent cultural denial. As a community they are unable to accept the fact that their leader was a betrayer, someone who committed a horrific crime and that denial, that need to justify their atrocities leads them into direct conflict with the Letherii. On the flipside the Letherii have managed to subjugate multiple tribal communities purely put of a sense of superiority, they have justified genocide time and time again. At the end of the book you get the feeling that while the Tiste Edur and the Letherii are on opposite sides of the confilict, neither of them are innocent or in the "right". Erikson manages to demonstrate this complexity brilliantly in this book and it will always be my favourite in this series, atleast so far. . Another point I would like to make is that Feather Witch and Udinaas both work as opposing ideas of what slavery can do to a human being - how it dehumanises. Feather witch is repeatedly beaten and possibly raped by Mayen - over the course of the book, she has multiple opportunities to do the right thing and show mercy and compassion whether towards Udinaas or someone else - but she doesn't do it. Udinaas struggles - he is an indebted as well as a Edur Slave, an outcast from both warring societies. He finds it hard to forgive and his internal monologue is usually full of hate and anger and cynicism - but look at his actions, he chooses, again and again and again to be compassionate. And this struggle between being compassionate and sliding towards indifference defines Udinaas's character. He is again one of my favourites in terms of just how complex he is. Sorry for the long post - I hope you enjoy the rest of the books. Will catch up again when you are done with the Bonehunters.

[@derekleon24]

I had that “Oh no this month is a Malazan book month” and ended up really loving Midnight Tides. The discord definitely helps out. Erickson really makes you work for the convergence. Hopefully bone hunters will be awesome.

[@jakebishop7822]

Really glad you enjoyed this Mike! I am in a similar boat to you for HoC and MT. Where HoC wasn't a book I disliked, but it was a speedbumb, and then MT was my favorite book in the series at the time of reading it. The plotline with the brothers and Udinaas is still one of my favorite 1 books arcs ever. Edit: just realized "the brothers" is not nearly specific enough for this book, I mean the Sengars

[@freakydallas13]

Pretty interesting take! I enjoy the fact that everyone always has a different aspect of the story that stands out to them.

[@Leroy510]

Just discovered your channel, and as someone in my mid-40’s, it’s so refreshing to find someone on booktube with the same tastes and literary history as myself! I also read the Hobbit for the first time in the 6th grade, used to play D&D back in the 80’s as a kid, was big on Dragonlance, moved on to bigger stuff like WoT, etc, etc... And while I love that lots of younger folks have gotten into the genres of sci-fi/fantasy/horror, I sometimes can’t help but think they’re missing some of the historical or cultural context that came along with the books at the time they were first published. Your bookshelf looks a lot like mine, and now I see you’ve got the Beatles poster in the wall... you’ve just earned a new subscriber!

[@mikesbookreviews]

Welcome!

[@Johanna_reads]

Iron Bars! I loved him and was sad to learn we don't get to see him again in this series. He shows up in a couple of Esslemont's books, which I have yet to read. By the way, no reviewer should be expected to discuss everything that happens in a MBotF book. It's most fun to hear what storylines and characters excited you the most! I have some different views than you, but this series is amazing in the way it invites room for diverse perspectives. I hope you continue enjoying the series!

[@mikesbookreviews]

Your support through this is always appreciated!

[@barrilrayder]

Great book. I loved it. The Seren and Trull moment at the end with the sword broke me completely. That scene was so powerful and emotional to me.

[@Kyle-mc2nb]

Nobody ever mentions Ublala. Love that guy!

[@benjaminmolina3456]

That part where Trull sits with the demon has that conversation about farmers and cries, hit me hard.

[@jeroenadmiraal8714]

Hi Mike, you may not get every hint in the books, but you're getting more out of these books than I did the first time around.

[@jameswashington226]

I paused at book 6 like I need a break I go back and watch your reviews lol!! I swear these books are like eating thanksgiving dinner and your trying to find room for more food after your 2nd plate

[@shmuelshtessman4906]

Great review. As for Bugg there's hints but unless you expect it you won't see it coming. As for Udinass I think As a slave he doesn't really have a choice and yes he find himself in a position that he's the crouch of Rhulad and he try to help and make him a better person and a better ruler but the tragic is his other influences like the Wival and the Wither.

[@Mahalleinir]

9:55 Totally agreed regarding the rape content. I was a bit triggered when I saw that many readers’ reaction is to immediately continue to rant about how this shouldn’t be included (ahem…TVBB) and dismiss any value this could bring while totally ignoring rape where the victim is male.

[@OneMoreMeme_INeedYou]

I really like that reading you had on that little moment between Seren and Trull, as well as the Civil War goodbye analogy. And yes, that quite scene between the brothers being a family is poignant.

[@aysseralwan]

12:40 that totally was a tragix romance kind of thing. The Edur offer a woman their sword as a proposal. That's why Seren asks if it's just as weapon and Trull hadn't the courage to tell her it's meant as his confession. But tbh I don't like their romance cuz like they saw each other in the eyes once and somehow they like each other? Idk I don't like it

[@annarien4333]

Super happy to see you had so much fun with this book and that it wasn't over-hyped for you by all us enthusiasts. I was smiling and nodding along with the video (and mimicking your f-bombs with regards to Feather Bitch), because yaaaaaay, you liked the same plot threads and characters that I did. Also, virtual hugs and cookies for a fellow Rhulad lover. Man... that guy. He's a jackass and you want to smack him, but it also hurts to see him in agony or making terrible mistakes or being so terribly alone. His relationship with Udinaas is just incredibly written (the Wormtongue vibes you're getting from Udinaas... nope! read on and see, but nope) and that scene with the Sengar brothers having a laugh and a drink. I swear I'm smiling through my tears each time I read it. Bug is wonderful, it's such an amazing thing to see a god so attached to a mortal that he'll do anything for them. And when he loses his temper... I swear I wasn't even breathing the first time I read those scenes. Plus, when he lets Tehol keep his memories about who his manservant is... ❤ Great stuff, the battles were pure magic mayhem and carnage. Erikson did an awesome job showing a different way for people to use the powers in his universe. W/o being too spoilery... Warrens magic vs Holds magic is pretty awesome to read about. Anyways... I'm thrilled to see the Malazan love going strong and October can't come soon enough because it'll be time for Bonehunters and that's a freaking good book.

[@carcassraid]

I'm also Team Rhulad/Tywin/"layered villain with character motivations that drive the story forward"! And you've done a great job reviewing this book in particular. My brother and I talk about this series sometimes, and MoI usually gets us talking in circles. So, great work on this project so far. Can't wait to see your reactions to the remaining books... should be interesting

[@gerdforster883]

Binadas has had his "big moment". You'll realise which one it was once you read The Bonehunters (and if you miss it there, it gets spelled out again in Reaper's Gale). And, very much like the Crippled God, he is not a happy camper.

[@MacScarfield]

About weird resources to go to war over: In the 19th century, guano (bat and sea bird excrement, as made famous by that celebrated documentary "Ace Ventura 2: When Nature Calls") became prized as a vital source of saltpeter for gunpowder as well as an agricultural fertilizer. This lead to a war ("The War of the Pacific"/"The Saltpeter War") between Chile and an alliance of Peru and Bolivia from 1879 to 1884 (which to this day Bolivia is angry over, as it lost its excess to the Pacific over it) and the export of Guano from Peru might have been the source for the Potato Blight that caused the Great Potato Famine in Ireland. To this very day "The Guano Islands Act" of 1856 enables citizens of the United States to take possession, in the name of the United States, of unclaimed islands containing guano deposits located anywhere, as long as they are not occupied and not within the jurisdiction of another government. It also empowers the President of the United States to use military force to protect and enforce US law over the Islands. So the US has a literal "B@tsh/t law" to protect their supply of b@tsh/t, that allow the US President to go to war over b@tsh/t...

[@outofcream9694]

I feel like Gerun’s ending was fitting. In classic Letheri fashion his greed led to his demise!

[@chickenmonger123]

I’m glad this one hits better for you.

[@praetorxyn]

I enjoyed Midnight Tides quite a bit too. Love Tehol and Bugg. I've got a 12 year old's humor.

[@kaianthony8077]

This is one of my two favorite books in the series and I was really hoping you'd enjoy it. Great set of videos.

[@meris8486]

Best book so far. I loved a lot of this; Rhulad, Hanan, Iron Bars, Trull, Tehol & Bugg so many great characters and journeys. I can't wait to see how everything pays off later

[@aysseralwan]

Yeah the Guardian is unnamed so far and thought he's doing Rhulad a mercy. And yes he even told Bugg/Mael that the Depths shall have 2 Guardians from now on or sth along those line so Brys will be with him.

[@jakebishop7822]

Also as for Udinaas gaining the trust of Rhulad, I think it comes to that Udinaas seems to be the only person who actually seems to feel compassion for Rhulad's situation of dying over and over again. Even Trull who is very worried about the situation, really seems to care that Rhulad brutally dying over and over might be bad for others. He doesn't seem that worried for Rhulad's sake, only for how Rhulad might abuse power This I think it why the plot stuck with me so much, because it feels believable that the compassion of 1 slave held together an empire, and when Udinaas gets mind controlled we see things fall apart.

[@Mr13chapters]

such a great book. I love the crashing/undermining the economy aspect to warfare

[@grnberet9401]

Late to watching this video. I really enjoyed this book. I am with Mike in that this book ranks right up there with Deadhouse Gates, but for such different reasons. I am looking forward to more Malazan. WooOOOOH!!!! WE'RE HALF WAY THERE!!!!!

[@carolynsmith5737]

It is going to be hard to wait for October after this book. I always get disappointed when I find out that we are not continuing with the characters from the previous book, but by the end of the book I’m completely invested in the new characters. I definitely enjoy the familial themes in this book.

[@Kruppes_Mule]

Udinass is hands down the most underrated character in this series IMO. And yes Feather Witch needs to be bludgeoned with a bag of dildos. I'm sure someone will give me the sob story of why I should feel empathy for her but man would that be difficult to manage.

[@theskyisteal8346]

It's not necessarily true that *anyone* can kill Rhulad, it's just that he kept running into literally the best fighters on the continent.

[@rupertcrump1312]

Another enjoyable video, its funny you enjoyed 4 out of 5 sort of thing of the story points i did in the book but there was some slight areas where we differed so i enjoyed seeing that difference. I really love this book and i think tbh 5, 6 and 7 are such a great chunk of the series, they follow on from each other really well and you def feel huge pieces of the puzzle are all in sight now and coming together as you read. I had the exact same reaction with feather witch and tbh it only got worse the more i saw of her in the series (wont say more cus spoilers). I also wish we could have seen the beat down he laid on the crippled god at the end man! Would have been really cathartic. I loved the Turudal Brizad reveal and that story was one i was really eager to see returned to after this book weirdly. Man cant wait for Bonehunters and Reapers Gale to see your reaction. Insert "quit reading if you dont like" comment somewhere in her to earn my smarty pants achievement badge. Lol.

[@feirceraven1249]

Not reading Ian C. Esslemont's books in order with Steven Erikson's will probably make you wonder what's going on with some later books, but they still work without reading them I imagine. Although I probably would've enjoyed a certain part in The Bonehunters more if I hadn't read Night of knives beforehand. Return of the Crimson guard is important plotwise, though.

[@aysseralwan]

Ngl I feel proud of myself for realizing the 5 toblakai are the 5 Seregahl of the Tarthenal people, I called that Bugg is Mael, I even knew from the get go that Silchas Ruin is the good guy that is at the Azath and I suspected that Menandore is the one trying to drag him down so I got a lot right (I swear this isn't meant to be bragging but just being proud) but I never saw it coming that Turudal the 1st Consort isn't just a horny dude but the Errant himself like wtf. I didn't even learn his name cuz I thought he's just the queen's lapdog or sth

[@Mr.books17]

Ok…you answered enough for me that even thought Im on page 600 Ill read some other genres and just go to book six.

[@hellobellaxo1766]

I’m a little behind the schedule (just finished reading Midnight Tides) but let me just say: this book made me want to start the next one asap. And that’s actually great because House of Chains was a huge disappointment to me. I realized I love tribal settings, quests and magical objects, so the first half of this book was absolutely amazing imo. I enjoyed the second half, too, but I have to agree with you - the stuff about economy just wasn’t for me.

[@Eliean77]

Rhulad is keeping showing up on the Crippled God's island reminded me about the Groundhog Day movie :D /I know he was suffering, but still...:) / And I really want to see a fight scene between the Crimson Guard and the Seguleh, would be epic.

[@Yoda0VGs]

I typically have the same opinion as you when it comes to worlds where death is not the end. It just means deaths won't affect me as much. And early on in Gardens of the Moon I thought I would feel that same way regarding this series. But Brys drinking the Wine was one of the few times where it deeply impacted me anyway... And in the later books there's a character death that literally made me throw my book across the room. I have no damn clue how Erikson gets me to these points despite the fact that Death just means you're in another plane now, but damn... Just damn...

[@aysseralwan]

Yeah loved the Sengar brothers complex relationship: Rhulad is a shit but at the same time he goes through a lot and even while you dislike him you feel bad for him. Fear especially at the end seemed kinda broken somewhat tho his worst mistake imo was him giving Mayen to Rhulad like she's just an object he can gift smh. Trull is ofc the man the myth the legend and Binadas was more a shadow then all the Andii Wraiths cuz he was always just in the background. Wither btw is also one of my favorites

[@Ulmo90]

"All the Sengar brothers sits down for wine before the battle", Binadas: I'm I a joke to you? Haha, the invisible brother not being there once again :D anyway I just finished the book and loved it, thanks for the spoiler talk

[@Sighience]

If you like crimson guard, if you ever decide to jump into esslemonts books he does a whole book that chronologically lines up after bonehunters an it’s all about the crimson guard :) anyways glad you really enjoyed this! I promise bonehunters is even better, by the way, I’m totally on board with your opinion of father witch 😂

[@highwayharry]

Finished just in time for the start of the next book. This was probably the least confusing one in the series so far. I think I am finally getting used to the writing style. Ready for Bonehunters and you got me hooked on Frank Herbert so I’m also reading Dune: Messiah.

[@aysseralwan]

I felt Udinaas remained with Rhulad cuz he is truly concerned for him and also for Rhulad's subjects cuz nothing good comes from an insane ruler so he tried to be a friend to him so he has one person he can let down his guard with. Could be wrong tho cuz I'm a 1st time reader and don't know what'll happen in the other books.

[@ReallyGoodandKind]

Good to know I’m not enough mike.

[@carole5648]

I knew Bugg was someone special, more than he appeared, but i did not guess who. The Sengar brothers are still some of my fav characters. There's so much i want to ad but i can't remember what is spoilers :) I think of Udinaas as "Chaotic Neutral", you're not really sure what he's going to do, but he's no Wormtongue. Seren was meh for me too, just in general. Also, Trull was raped too (in House of Chains), don't forget that. Rape is dished out across all divides. Bonehunters is one of my fav, but i think Midnight Tides, Bonehunters and Reapers Gale are all fabulous and hard to rank them.

[@EricMcLuen]

Not to beat a dead horse (mule?) there are a lot of hints about Bugg but it is a very small number who picked up on it. So tell us how you really feel about Featherwitch? This book must have hit a nerve with the f bomb count. The amount of hatred for a character Erickson can instill in the reader can make you feel uncomfortable at times and often a good sign. And in conclusion, there are a lot of scenes in the middle of the books that would be the ending of many others. This was set early on with the opening of GotM. But even so, the endings of all of them are incredible. Does it seem like half way through?

[@shulgi582]

Midnight Tides and Bonehunters is peak Erikson. Enjoy your journey.

[@triciahon8043]

Ahhh uploads my fav Malazan book vid on my bday! 🥳

[@aghazi94]

bonehunters is sooooooooooooooooooooooo goooooooooooooooood holy crap some of the battles in that book and i think it has the best pacing in the whole series

[@sd2002]

Wondering if you realised we saw Binidaas (aka invisible Sangar) back in House of Chains :)

[@TheCrazyCanuck420]

Read the last two chapters of midnight tides today so that I could watch this 😀

[@Andre-xl2oe]

Ah, this review made me laugh with some of the things you said. The series has a lot of events that will make you... Did I read something about that before. Glad to hear you enjoyed it. Missed the intro with a quote though 😉.

[@mikesbookreviews]

Those are only on standard reviews. You’ll see one for Midnight Tides soon.

[@sebastientubb2971]

There was a romance between Trull and Seran remember what giving someone your sword and the other picking it up in Edur culture means.

[@OJKarton]

Binadas is Rickon stark of malazan

[@kreegalobunsen602]

Hell, yeah, man! Tiste Edur love in da house! I'm still pissed at having to wait for the final volume. The Edur faction and the Jaghut really made the Tiste prequel stuff worth a read... and I need that closing chapter. Also... Binadas... there is so much I could say that wouldn't spoil you while making you think I had. Welp, have fun trying to ignore that comment for a few books. >:)

[@demidrek-heyward]

Just finished 🎉

[@piderman871]

The thing with Bugg is that he's going "Back in my day... 👴🏼" quite often, and he's hinting that that was over 1000 years ago. So to me at least it was clear that he was not who he appeared, but I didn't catch any details until the final reveal.

[@edsheeran1243]

Will there be a spoiler free video for midnight tides?

[@mikesbookreviews]

Yes

[@DasCracker]

Sure this was a year ago you did this review, but NOT GONNA MENTION THE BODIES RAINING DOWN FROM THE SKY in a bloody brutal sorcerous release?!

[@KalleVilenius]

I'm sorry Mike but unless you read the Esslemont books you're not getting any meaningful content for the Crimson Guard after this book. Better just rip that band aid right off. There's more to Malazan than just Tales of the Book of the Fallen. Also going to make a prediction that since you enjoy the Sengar brothers and Karsa Orlong, you're going to love Reaper's Gale. Any thoughts on Mael bullying the Crippled God there at the end?

[@mikesbookreviews]

I said I thought that was a great moment and I wish we got to go in the tent with Mael for that confrontation.

[@KalleVilenius]

@@mikesbookreviews I mean how you feel about the Crippled God being susceptible to that sort of thing. When I was reading these books I was pretty shocked to see he could be physically manhandled.

[@nyos22]

@@KalleVilenius Well to be fair, I don't think just about anybody could do the manhandling.

[@KalleVilenius]

@@nyos22 True, but his physical vulnerability is definitely something to keep in mind for later.

[@LesMartin]

I "un-liked" so I could "like" twice. :D This book is one of my favorites, and honestly it's not because of T&B.

[@IskarJarak]

I came here just to see Les gush over MT

[@LesMartin]

@@IskarJarak You know me so well. :D

[@LesMartin]

@@IskarJarak I mean, srsly, the "story" feel of MT/RG is AMAZING. You could almost recommend them as stand alone reads, except RG would have a lot of confusing things going on without the other books. :)

[@IskarJarak]

@@LesMartin I’m totally with you. I’m ride or die mt, which is why I always remember your play by plays in the mt channel when you were reading it. Felt like me!

[@wjamimah7772]

I actually liked House of Chains. I didn’t feel the dread of it. The ending wasn’t as amazing as the rest but the story was good.

[@demidrek-heyward]

Go Mariners

[@Jaeno311]

Man I'm on book 8 and I've struggled so hard with book 7 and 8. I loved 1-6

[@thiccchungus588]

"Not enough people watch these videos to justify a 30 minute review" >Puts out a 26 minute review

[@Lasombra08]

One does not talk about the timeline. SE even jokes about it in one of the books.

[@djsuth7727]

Looks like Feather Witch downvoted you Mike ;)

[@mikesbookreviews]

She’s the worst.

[@lovdramas]

Have you seen what ya' readin'? With Stephen King . it is on the late show with Stephen Colbert

[@icarusfluffybottom899]

"Crashin' the economy, ya know, I work in finance, guys, I feel like I'm workin' when I read that stuff..." I am amused that you read about a plot to crash the economy and you're like, "Oh BROTHER, sounds like my work!" :p

[@anyaconda3155]

Unpopular opinion. Midnight Tides is my least favorite Malazan so far. I didn't hate it or anything, but I wasn't really into the characters besides Trull, Rhulad and maybe Seren. 😅 but of course I'm going to continue with the series. I'm too far in to quit.

[@cabrademora1]

:D

[@mraduldubey9614]

Awesome. Pretty sure you're gonna love BoneHunters too. But not Reapers Gale. It's unnecessarily, a lot more bloated. Hopefully, I would finish RG by the time you get there.

[@kah-thurak]

I think you are a little unfair with Rhulads fighting skills... sure he takes a lot of beatings, but he does so against Iron Bars, one of the Crimson Guard, Serenity, a Forkrul Assail, and the Top 2 Letherii Swordsmen... so neither of these were exactly Push-overs. A fist time reader claiming to have predicted the Bugg / Mael thing before the reveal is something that I am very sceptical about... it could probably happen, but it seems very unlikely to me. Also: Mike: I dont know how the timeline works here. Steven Erikson: And you think I do?

[@Paul_van_Doleweerd]

Burn's Sleep BS Timeline *sorted*

[@kah-thurak]

@@Paul_van_Doleweerd Thats a little harsh... I dont really care about the inconsistencies in the timeline. In the end they are a product of the pace in which Erikson published these books. 13 huge tomes in less than 13 years. Not even Sanderson will manage that with the Stormlight Archives...

[@Paul_van_Doleweerd]

@@kah-thurak I wasn't speaking to the publishers timeline, but to the narrative timeline. Internal inconsistencies are something you kind of have to shrug off.

[@kah-thurak]

@@Paul_van_Doleweerd Yes, but I think that the reason for the faulty timeline in the narrative is exactly the same as the one for the pace of publication... it is just Erikson's process not to take notes or make charts etc. to the degree that other authors might. So he is faster but he also has some incosistencies between the books.

[@Paul_van_Doleweerd]

@@kah-thurak Travel through warrens doesn't help much either. And I can't say as I expect every I dotted and T crossed in a 3 and a half million word epic. If there are inconsistencies, I put them in the to be expected file, so far none have broken the story so I'm good with it.

[@quarteratom]

Eedúr.

[@alexisrivera202]

I skipped this book because I didn't recognize any characters. Tiste are not interesting to me. At all. I get torched in forums because I didn't dive into this book which is a prequel and a comedy. Yay.