Man cited after paying bill with 2,500 pennies

Do you think this guy should have to pay the fine?

[@ianbattles7290]

Pennies are legal tender. Case closed.

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

Ian Battles It's not about whether or not pennies are legal tender. It's about him dumping the pennies over the counter...

[@ianbattles7290]

Fair enough. I work retail and I'd be pissed if someone dumped coins all over my register.

[@stargazer9973]

+Ian Battles Private businesses can deny this form a payment, it's government agencies that have to take the payment regardless of it's form.

[@MrKevMan]

+Ryan Shirtz NOT TRUE AT ALL ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE!

[@stargazer9973]

+MrKevMan it's very true. what your you're not taking into account is the difference between the public and private spheres. Private businesses absolutely have the right to refuse payment in all pennies while government institutions cannot.

[@salaciousBastard]

He should pay the ticket in pennies too.

[@mop10000]

haha

[@PrettyBoyWebb]

loll i was thinkin same thing haha

[@Cubeazza]

Lol i was thinking that

[@etxzlu5230]

He should pay the payment in pennies! Pennies are made for money!

[@SunnySydeRamsay]

Just don't pour them this time lol

[@WraithCommander42]

I'd pay the $140 fine for disorderly conduct in pennies too.

[@Slowrolling92]

That would be fuckn awsome

[@barockhill]

Yasssss

[@iceban6868]

THAT WOULD BE SO HILLARIOUS!

[@zillsburyy1]

right! fuck em!

[@aholman6284]

lmao I would to..... like " yall wanna fuck around too?" lol

[@Thegriff19]

No, it is a legal tender. This fine is not legal.

[@RetroMaticGamer]

No, they got him for dumping them out the way he did. Desperation, y'know. If he had set them on the counter in an orderly way (like just setting the bucket down), he'd have been fine.

[@timjolam]

it's not about paying in pennies...it's about how he dumped the pennies, I think...the disorderly conduct whether you pay in pennies or in bills...

[@alpha-qh1if]

Retro-Matic Gamer so he just gives them a free bucket? 😂

[@terryfuldsgaming7995]

Retro-Matic Gamer so putting something on a public counter is illegal in your warped world view? Better turn yourself in then cuz i guarantee you are at least a three strikes offender.!

[@DarthVader1977]

So to dumbasses like you he could literally do ANYTHING while paying a bill in pennies? The fine is for being disorderly, NOT for paying in pennies.

[@Mr432scott]

Honestly, its bullshit that he was fined. Legally they have to accept the pennies, since they denied his legal tender its a federal offence. Shitty attitude or not they, legally have to accept it, I hope he pays the $140 fine in pennies.

[@gang_starr1001]

TheDevilHimSelf He didn't get fined for paying in pennies, he got fined for coming in and spilling it all over the counter. Should have just gave them the plastic bag with the coins and he would have been ok.

[@aaronfunk2769]

TheDevilHimSelf They do not legally have to accept any form of money . According to the United States Department of the Treasury’s site, there is no federal law requiring that businesses accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. In fact, according to the government Web site: “Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a state law which says otherwise.

[@jzizzles7799]

Aaron Funk Did you even watch the video? The man asked if they accepted cash.

[@aaronfunk2769]

Yes i did i wasn't refering to the video it's self but the person trying to say they have to accept cash when they don't

[@BillG37]

TheDevilHimSelf I think it's more about the way he gave them to them. Like someone mentioned, if they were rolled properly, it would've been fine. I still don't agree with calling the police though.

[@MULTIAPPLECATZRULEMLP]

If pennies exist, then why not use them? It is still money. I don't understand.

[@MountainD18]

Exactly!

[@Angeldenis1987]

Agree

[@raulmartinez3484]

It really depends how you use them and how you deliver the pennies. If you dump a bunch of pennies and claim that this is to pay X amount, then you are causing a burden for the other person to have to count all those pennies. If you were to make a payment in rolled up pennies, that seems more sensible. I made payments to people through pennies, but I use common courtesy by counting the pennies and giving it to them in rolls.

[@joshuaworley9698]

you and Me both

[@sineadm4337]

The thing is you don't HAVE to be polite. Money is money and just because you don't want to count it doesn't mean anything. Yeah it's a nuisance but that doesn't matter he still paid.

[@97GoldDust]

Disorderly conduct for paying his fine? God damn the police are fucked up.

[@Hiltonology]

+97GoldDust And of course you have selective hearing obviously. He "dumped" the pennies on the counter. That's a dick move and is disorderly. Paying his fine with pennies is one thing. Dumping them and demanding the office people to count the pennies is a whole other thing. I would love to see your face if you were one of those ladies he dumped the pennies on. I bet that would be priceless.

[@Hiltonology]

Wow. You're attitude went south really quick. I'm sorry but I don't have debates/discussions with people like you. Have a great life.

[@97GoldDust]

Jason Hilton it's because in America we are losing our freedom and it's people like you who are taking it away from us. We are living in a police state. I would talk more but since you support having him charged for disorderly conduct im assuming you must love the insane amount of government regulations we already have.

[@daidalosfalvius6893]

No Jason it is not disorderly Conduct. I would suggest you read the law sometime. It was just provided above by Buck.

[@aussie1546]

Jason Hilton. money is to be counted. Legally he did pay the bill. Take it to court, and check it out

[@wizloon]

The $140 fine should have been paid in pennies

[@ricof1888]

That's funny

[@ricof1888]

Second part: man gets fined $200 dollars for paying a $140 ticket: pays the $200 in pennies as well

[@xaviermondragon2807]

Then gets arrested for being a fucktard.

[@chineseredneck7051]

Just mix in some foreign coins with it.

[@underground9260]

I would too!

[@herpmahderpflurpledumunumu7080]

"He payed the fine, I think its fine , I dont think he should be fined for it." Thats the only time , ever , that that sentence was used, and its a fucking masterpiece.

[@tisveu3912]

everybody should start paying with pennies

[@Matthew-ej3pg]

yup

[@tisveu3912]

Mr.

[@fkoff6301]

Tsi Vue ... IKR.

[@fkoff6301]

Tony Samson .... Its kinda not Smart though. Bcz its just like COMMON SENSE type of thing in my mind, and Maybe other minds too. So yeah, but I agree its a very good comment :) People REALLY SHOULD for real and I would LOVE to see that bcz even if for example I was in a hurry then surely can just switch for example to another que instead to have frowns on their face and be whining about it.

[@aazann4908]

They should pay you with pennies too lets see how much you like them

[@anton48103]

It's legal tender, and as far as the alleged "disorderly conduct" we know that the police can exaggerate the story and were probably annoyed with being bothered. Either way, it's legal tender so piss off!

[@Hoolie2899]

2500 pennies costs money to get rid off.. Bank charges money to handle and store it.. 25 pennies is legal tender. 2500 isn't the complete bill

[@GoogleAccount-cj6gy]

Tha Hool What the fuck are you babbling about?

[@Hoolie2899]

Coins costs money to get rid of. You only need so much change in the till. Here they dock you alot of money to roll and deposit coins.. Significantly more than check, CC or paper money. So im not suprised said move called a hissy fit

[@6StimuL84]

Anton Gauna Only ones causing the disorder were the police and the ones making a false report which is an actionable tort I might add...and the aggravated extortion of the police, is a felony..

[@anton48103]

Tha Hool As a previous assistant branch manager, that is only true if the person exchanging high amounts of unrolled coin do not have an account. Many local businesses (two of which were vending companies) would bring in large amounts of coin, and there was never a charge. I'm not saying that there wouldn't be if the amount were in excess of $500, but then again we have never had that much brought in on a single transaction.

[@vladpiranha]

I remember this story. He wasn't cited for the pennies themselves, but for dumping them violently out on their counter and making a scene of it. Had he simply set them down in an ice cream bucket like a law abiding avatar of vengeance, he would have been fine.

[@The_Gallowglass]

I bet he'll pay the other fine in pennies too.

[@6StimuL84]

Ó Slatraigh I would not pay their extortion and it is an aggravated extortion also.. a felony....

[@JonnyCool1.5]

He should take it to court. I'd love to hear that trial.

[@avoidemailingme]

what law would you cite in court?

[@martymcyourflysdown6872]

@@avoidemailingme What law? He paid with..Legal..Tender. 😂

[@tekanatoken]

Doesn't matter what his behavior. Legal tender is legal tender. End of story.

[@fortifarse]

...but his behavior is what resulted in disorderly conduct charges so it is kinda, you know, a valid thing to mention...

[@Akary999]

+fortifarse I would of paid the fine in pennies also

[@foolyman2474]

+MrReasonablethinker Shut up nerd

[@Hiltonology]

+David Welliver And that would have made you just as much of a douche as this guy.

[@Akary999]

Cause most doctors don't give you the bill till service is rendered, which is just as douchey.

[@danm.bagley5030]

That's not disorderly conduct. False arrest sue the police and the doctor.

[@BlazeIgnitus]

+Dan M. Bagley So spilling 2,500 pennies everywhere, creating a racket and, let's say the pennies sprayed and hit someone from the force of hitting the counter and bouncing off, doesn't constitute "disorderly conduct?" What rock are you living under?

[@cannon20789]

+BlazeIgnitus Coinage Law 1965 S31 All Currency of the United States is Allowed to be used to pay back fines and or Debts. If Refused the Debt can be dismissed

[@BlazeIgnitus]

Cannon Willard That depends on if this counted as a debt, or as a bill. Bills, however, are not subject to this requirement.

[@fortifarse]

So you were there witnessing the entire interaction?

[@alejandrotejeda3695]

+Dan M. Bagley Actually is, they said he throw them, so if i pay you by throwing money on your face, wouldnt you think is disorderly conduct

[@Tkenny922]

Disorderly conduct for simply using legal tender? It's illegal not to accept the money!

[@StraightAssMan]

It might have been for dumping them all over the place and having them scatter rather than handing them over properly.

[@MIKEL0352]

According to our own federal laws he did nothing wrong.....Title 31, Subtitle IV states "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues".

[@RocketmanRockyMatrix]

MIKEL0352 Problem is they are lazy to count the cash.

[@Noles4life77]

@@RocketmanRockyMatrixthat’s not why he was fined. He dumped the Pennie’s all over the counter, on the floor, everywhere. If he gave the Pennie’s to him in a bucket or something and he wouldn’t have been fined

[@RocketmanRockyMatrix]

@@Noles4life77 I think these government workers are lazybones. BS citation.

[@Antonio-he4oh]

they yell at you for not paying the bill . they yell at you for trying to pay the bill . some logic right?

[@fkoff6301]

Antonio Debono .... hheheheheheh Ikr. Btw your profile picture is of one of those Thomas trains right, or Thomas himself, am I right? *So cute!!* :)

[@anthonyleinweber1336]

the statute says that only private companies, or parties can decide what they take. the government has to take its own money. the court is government agency, not private so they have to accept it or it is marked as paid.

[@grobanite4ever85]

Anthony Leinweber it say legal tender public AND private

[@alexh8613]

And they took the money. He got arrested for dumping it all over the desk

[@KonaChuck22]

@Marybeth Langendorf private businesses must accept legal tender for DEBT but not for other non debt payments. Example: guy finishes eating at a restaurant (and now he has a DEBT owed)and the waitress says we only accept gold coins. Guy says BULLSHIT, and pays in US dollars. The police and court would side with the guy. Second example: guy comes in again and BEFORE he eats (ie before he incurs a debt) the waitress tells him he can not pay in dollars only gold coins. Police and courts would side with the waitress/restaurant.

[@flmcon]

Pay that $140 fine in pennies

[@dylanbreznay5228]

Federal law states they have to accept legal tender

[@complexgrafix]

+Dylan Breznay YES!

[@southsydesasha7268]

Yes federal law states this yes indeed..

[@DarthVader1977]

So I could throw rolls of pennies at your face and I couldn't be charged with assault? He was fined by the police for DISORDERLY CONDUCT....... NOT for " paying in pennies".

[@alexh8613]

And they accepted the pennies for his fine. He got arrested for dumping them all over the desk

[@ronaldmead7643]

What federal law are you saying they have to take them

[@ryantollmann1257]

Legal tender for all debts public and private. It is a violation of Federal Statutes to refuse legal tender and if legal tender is refused the debt is null and void.

[@MaddawgJAG]

What is the law?

[@chetmendez9626]

Jim GoebelIT THE UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE 3-603

[@MaddawgJAG]

But there is no law restricting company's right to refuse certain types of payments for example parking meters do not except pennies, arcade games, vending machines, gas stations not taking bills larger then a 50, coin op laundry, self serve car wash. The list goes on and on, and yes a company can refuse a bag full of pennies for payment from a smart ass.

[@MaddawgJAG]

§ 3-603. TENDER OF PAYMENT. (a) If tender of payment of an obligation to pay an instrument is made to a person entitled to enforce the instrument, the effect of tender is governed by principles of law applicable to tender of payment under a simple contract. (b) If tender of payment of an obligation to pay an instrument is made to a person entitled to enforce the instrument and the tender is refused, there is discharge, to the extent of the amount of the tender, of the obligation of an indorser or accommodation party having a right of recourse with respect to the obligation to which the tender relates. (c) If tender of payment of an amount due on an instrument is made to a person entitled to enforce the instrument, the obligation of the obligor to pay interest after the due date on the amount tendered is discharged. If presentment is required with respect to an instrument and the obligor is able and ready to pay on the due date at every place of payment stated in the instrument, the obligor is deemed to have made tender of payment on the due date to the person entitled to enforce the instrument.

[@ryantollmann1257]

Jim Goebel companies have a right to refuse service , they are prohibited from refusing legal tender

[@vernmeyer4485]

It is a legal tender and they must take it by law. You do not have to role them at all. If the corrupt system is going to extort money then make them work for it.

[@TruckerPhilosophy]

+Vern Meyer Nope you don't have to take them. That is a common myth.

[@summervibes2147]

+Dia Phragm well that escalated fast lol

[@seanb112209]

+TruckerPhilosophy im pretty sure they have to take it it is legal tender for all debts...therefore they have to take it however they can say it has to be rolled but not 100% sure

[@TruckerPhilosophy]

sean bargay You are under a common misconception. I would suggest that you go to the Treasury.gov website and educate yourself on what legal tender actually is.

[@seanb112209]

TruckerPhilosophy with all due respect I will have to suggest you look at i technically... us tender can be used for any debt therefore if you have a ticket or a debt with the government (city,state,federal) you should be able to pay with any legal us tender. that is what i understand from the written laws

[@buckfisherGBY]

Here we go again.From the US Treasury:According to the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled “Legal tender,” which states: “United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.” Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.Public Debts: This means that any existing public debt, charge, tax, or dues held in the US can be paid in any form of US legal tender. That includes coins, small bills, etc.

[@0g.Ghost.7373]

But A store does not have to take that many pennies. You shopping is not a debt. I have had this happen to me many times. I refused bags of coins, customer gets pissed, calls police, police show and tell them I do not have to accept it. It was funny seeing the looks on their faces.

[@KnowingEyes]

+Buck Fisher Unfortunately, that only applies to government entities at the federal level. There is no federal law that mandates all forms of legal tender are valid and must be accepted as payment. It gets more murky since there *can* be state laws that do this. In the end, as John Stilwell stated, private business can not only refuse stunts like this but they can also, if desired, all but force you to pay in denominations and amounts they choose. Most establishments will accept anything to promote positive PR but all pennies (usually unwrapped) just screams abuse of good nature. Do that at your peril.

[@vulgarknight5856]

+John Stilwell this is a public debt. All legal tender.

[@0g.Ghost.7373]

Jake Moriarty you're an idiot.

[@markhurst4934]

he didn't get fined because he paid with pennies, he got fined for being a jackass and dumping them everywhere. the police just did the polite version of what his father should have done long ago.

[@maxfountaine7593]

Take it to court. This is legal tender...

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

Max Fountaine It's not about whether or not pennies are legal tender. It's about him dumping the pennies over the counter...

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

mrjonstar All I'm trying to do is to inform misinformed people...

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

***** It's not my point of view when it's stated in the video. Sure it's not a crime to put money on the counter; if the man had calmly put down the box, nothing would have happened to him. What he did could be considered assault...

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

***** I'm sure dumping a bucket of loose change directly at someone will get you a negative response no matter where you are in the world...

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

***** I agree it was an overreaction by the employee; there were many other ways they could be deescalated the situation...

[@SouthwesternEagle]

American money is legal tender in the United States of America (and North Korea) for all debts, public and/or private. No exceptions. Ever.

[@drobro23]

they didnt refuse the money though. he got in trouble for being a douchebag and dumping it all over

[@SouthwesternEagle]

That's not illegal; that's payment.

[@drobro23]

obviously it was illegal though thats how they charged him and he payed it.

[@krystlecanales4149]

No. Money is money. It's pennies you have the take it, it's cash

[@andrewludlow6283]

Krystle Canales @fooloof there is a law that state that they must take the pennies because it's legal tender. if they don't it becomes a federal crime

[@jordanbarrett7754]

fooloof there is a law you can search it yourself you don't need to be spoonfed information do you? the only reason this guy got into trouble for this is because he dumped the pennys on the counter if he gave them a box they would have had to accept

[@alpha-qh1if]

fooloof the only business that dont need to accept pennies are private businesses

[@KonaChuck22]

@fooloof There is an actual law..its called the legal tender law and it concerns payment of debts.

[@KonaChuck22]

alpha 1997 a private business must accept pennies if it is offered as a payment for a DEBT. If the business refuses that payment they are entitled to nothing.

[@USAirborne555]

When using pennies (legal tender) it's ridiculous if you get fined for it

[@1337Shockwav3]

Don't know about the USA, but in Germany (which is where I live) shops/institutions are allowed to decline cash payments in coins once the overall amount exceeds "usual" limits (I think ~5€ when paying exclusively in 1/2/5 cent coins). If he did throw/dump the pennies just over the counter, I don't see it differing too much from just throwing something else that would make a mess (i.e. grains of rice).

[@kgraamd]

I would pay the fine in pennies

[@dancason07]

Hans Meier In the US, if someone is willing to pay a bill and you accept cash as payment. You cannot refuse payment even if the payment is in pennies. It's actually illegal to refuse US currency as a payment.

[@1337Shockwav3]

dancason07 Yeah, I recently read a snopes article regarding that ... seemed to be quite "recent" as in since the 70s or something and bound to certain restrictions i.e. paying debts

[@Andrewsafb71]

dancason07 That's not fucking true. If it's related to public utilities or the government they do but if I run a fucking business I can turn down pennies.

[@journeyon1983]

It's money damn it... I love the news coverage on this one..

[@benoxley6957]

Me too Robbie.

[@DanielFreakinAwesome]

2,500 pennies.... I would like to see you work in retail.

[@journeyon1983]

DanielFreakinAwesome I did when I was a teenager. It was fun.

[@DanielFreakinAwesome]

***** It's really not.

[@journeyon1983]

Was for me...

[@buckeyeboy832]

I would have paid the citation in pennies. A BS fine.

[@Gh..o..s..t]

No in the USA there is a law states that all legal tender can not be refused as payment of debt.

[@ddskreamer]

Source? No such law exists.

[@michaelbanana7398]

Pay the fine with 15,000 pennies

[@kaiserxblue]

Gotta love that Legal tender law, if you have to pay a due, bill, etc you can do it with pennys, and if they reject it then you it can be considered nullified.

[@robertmadsen8687]

This is not true. Better do some research before posting such nonsense.

[@mekhane8045]

You can sue I don't think it makes it nullified.

[@Jediwhoever1]

@@robertmadsen8687 the government is the one refusing the money not you refusing to pay the bill

[@raider54DJ]

No one can turn away american currency. He absolutely should not be fined.

[@raider54DJ]

Wrong you

[@UenoHarajuku]

Legal tender is just that: legal. If they don't want to accept his money, then they should forgive his bill.

[@robertsheehan5514]

I hope he paid the fine with dimes atleast.

[@DingDangg]

Legal tender baby!

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

Ron S It's not about whether or not pennies are legal tender. It's about him dumping the pennies over the counter...

[@ldchappell1]

I was in a tobacco shop last week when this guy freaked out because he couldn't buy a pack of cigarettes with $6.50 in rolled up pennies. He was yelling "What the HELL? This is United States legal tender! You can't turn this down it's a felony! I'm going to call the Secret Service on your ass and report you!" The store guy said "If you make that on a pay phone, be sure to use quarters. Pay phones don't take pennies either."

[@dlmoore8996]

Money is money. We no longer use money, we use currency as our "money" is no longer backed up w/ the value of gold.

[@TheShape.]

welcome to America home of the "free"

[@crippin467]

As a brit i can see it,s not.

[@ilovebacon304]

Hey, they said they take cash!

[@CaptainSpalding72]

tha'ts not cash.

[@Matthew-ej3pg]

lol

[@kaboom323818]

Cold hard cash

[@alpha-qh1if]

Dan Tee it must be unicorns if its not cash😂

[@SaWdoFfProductions]

Disorderly Conduct = Contempt of Cop

[@jrummyjs]

Only in America you get fined for paying with legal currency.

[@DJentertainTV]

pay the fine in pennies!

[@LonestarState12]

I think if he hadn't "dumped them all over the counter", he could've avoided the fine. Other then that, he had it right.

[@Twirlyman]

+LonestarState12 Exactly what I was thinking!

[@Malepical]

EXACTLY... just hand the bag over... dumping them out all over the desk creates a scene AND a mess, not to mention dumping them ensures that some get lost...

[@mjallen1308]

Naw you both know good and well they still would have been upset because they would have had to count AND probably roll them. Even if he politely came in and gave them a box of pennies, they still would have had an issue.

[@jacksonpeterson8446]

He should pay the 140 dollar fine in pennies too

[@bobbylovin6697]

that is not considered disorderly conduct and i would sue the cop that wrote the ticket

[@rlindamcfarlane1823]

refusing money to pay anything mean you paid in full.

[@rlindamcfarlane1823]

***** WHAT!

[@robertmadsen8687]

This is not true. Better do some research before posting such nonsense.

[@robertmadsen8687]

This is not true. Better do some research before posting such nonsense.

[@rlindamcfarlane1823]

refusing money to pay anything mean you paid in full.

[@JackRabbitSlim]

Only in America.....

[@tashannon1745]

They are legally obligated to take it, its legal tinder. Getting cited for that is unconstitutional, he should sue.

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

TAShannon1 It's not about whether or not pennies are legal tender. It's about him dumping the pennies over the counter...

[@Takezo5191]

If is good enough to get pennies for change, is good enough to pay your tickets with it..

[@JessicaSideways]

Yeah, I think he should pay the fine - in pennies. ;)

[@ninja.saywhat]

he should pay the fine too in pennies hahahah

[@MrPernell27]

pennies are proper US currency, they can't make him pay a fine for this.

[@michaelbme1983]

Time to update the coinage act to get rid of this stupid behavior

[@Boosted_aj]

He doesn't have to roll them nor does it have to be in bills. He can pay with any legal tender

[@Sinneric]

"Legal Tender" does not mean they are allowed to take it. It means they are REQUIRED to take it. It is a federal offense to refuse legal tender in the United States of America.

[@alanboyce2774]

The cop who cited him needs to face charges for abusing his authority.

[@Y10Q]

so he pays the bill in US coins, and he is fined for it. Hmm....

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

Y10Q It's not about whether or not pennies are legal tender. It's about him dumping the pennies over the counter...

[@mikeclark3554]

It's to my understanding that the federal laws says that the only one that has to except us currency in the us mint. No one has to except pennies as payment for a debt. But the debt is still owed.

[@vonblutengel3289]

it says that if refused the debt is cancelled, therefore either accept it or don't, if they don't they can be sued under Admiralty law and UCC

[@JamesBirdd]

Rumour has it that she is still counting the pennies

[@Pendragon501]

It's actually a federal crime not to accept pennies as a form of payment in the USA. Also, they do not have to be rolled! So if you want to make a statement when paying for a ticket or a fine or something go for it. If the one charging you doesn't accept it, call the United States Secret Service and a federal agent will be there with the hour.

[@alexh8613]

The best one of these type videos, is the one where the guy goes to pay in change, and the desk person says that's fine, you just have to wait here until we count it or else we can't accept it.

[@jackkonnof4106]

The fact that they legally have to take it should be an incentive to be nice to people.

[@Zonedout-ou2wl]

I would be pissed if someone wouldn't accept my legal tender, it's against federal law not to accept.

[@jerrywhite2818]

Now pay fine with pennies also.

[@jacktattersall9457]

In Canada, there are legal limits on the largest purchase that can be paid for in coins of each type. So in Canada, he actually broke the law.

[@chriskobler3352]

Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve Banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues." This statute means that all U.S. money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor.

[@dieselman2000]

I was taught in college if a business refuses to accept payment, you have been absolved fo the debt. Don't know how true that is...

[@charlesmarshall2697]

I've done this twice to make a point. You don't have to portion pack them and yes they have to accept them!

[@Clee-os6pv]

The Coinage Act of 1965 Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts."

[@alexh8613]

He didn't get fined for paying it in pennies. He got fined for dumping it all over their desk.

[@greyeagle4388]

As pennies are legal tender. The office by law is required to take them. The fact that the police didn't even know this is unbelievable

[@DarkStar9650]

How can "legal tender" equate to a "disorderly conduct"?

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

James Decker It's not about whether or not pennies are legal tender. It's about him dumping the pennies over the counter...

[@BLLAARRRGG]

They need to get rid of the disorderly conduct charge so police cannot charge people with anything they feel like.

[@marcusjaybrode2129]

They are legal tender, but no one has to accept them. The form of payment must be mutually agreeable.

[@hightechredneck3]

It's actually illegal to deny payment in pennies. It's legal currency and the feds get involved if someone denies the payment

[@chanthien99]

Wth, how was that disorderly conduct?! He should sue the guy who cited him. Pennies are legal money!

[@bskee001]

By law the clinic has to accept this form of payment because the US Coinage Act of 1965 says that coins are “legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes and dues.”

[@gregoryeverson741]

By law they dont, look it up, i love how you did 1/2 ur research

[@aag297]

People don't bitch if paper currency is presented in an aggressive manner.

[@btqy]

A private business Doesn't have to accept coins even though it's legal tender. The business can chose which way to accept it. (They did say they accepted cash). The only time they HAVE to accept legal tender is a government facility. He can actually pay the $140.00 fine in coins.

[@fx4_jon185]

The reason he was cited was that he dumped the pennies on the desk, according to the story. That is causing a disturbance which is why he was cited for disorderly conduct. If he had placed them on the desk in a container(s) of sorts, he wouldn't have been cited.

[@calthmlikiseethm704]

If the individual or company incurs any fees for collecting your fee then that is deducted from the amount you paid so they can charge to count those pennies federal court case look it up...

[@EdgarFriendly-op3rn]

That would end up in court...I would sue the living shit out of that office.

[@markaplier1261]

Also, if you dump a bucket of pennies on someones desk, you have to be present until the one receiving the money has counted it

[@jasonwilliams6877]

It violates federal law for them to refuse United States currency and for him to be fined

[@aag297]

Cash is legal tender for all debts, legal and private. It is Government issued currency.

[@1965myctahg]

If you sell a car for 2000 dollars and someone says, "here's 200000 pennies". How do you know if there's only 1200 dollars worth? And, yeah, you can argue that pennies are legal tender but not until they are counted. Taking them to a Coin Star machine could cost a hundred dollars between an employee's time and the Coin Star cost that gets subtracted from the Coin Star payout. Now you only gave me 1900 dollars free and clear. When I make an agreement of sale, or a contract, the price is specifically in dollars, not $2000.

[@doriansweeper9811]

It's not the hospital's fault, they were just doing their job.

[@JasonMasters]

They said he "dumped" the coins on the desk. I presume that means loose, not bagged. That might be the basis of the disorderly conduct charge since he could have put them down still in whatever container he was using to transport them, and it would have been his right to have the container(s) returned after the coins were counted. Doesn't the USA have a bit of legislation like Australia about the amount of small change retailers are expected to accept? In Aus., there is a prescribed limit on how much total money you can expect a retailer to accept in each type of small change. It's a generous amount, but at least there are limits. (A retailer can choose to ignore the limit and accept more if they wish, but they aren't forced to accept change over the limit). Also in Australia, last I knew there was a piece of legislation which says that a retailer must accept legal tender in payment for goods or services. If you've received goods or services and attempt to pay with legal tender (and the amount doesn't exceed the prescribed limits mentioned above), you're entitled to walk out without paying and the person to whom the debt is owed must personally come to you and ask to be paid, and you're still entitled to pay via cash if you wish.

[@jzizzles7799]

My local post office automated vending machine stopped taking pennies too.

[@theliquidtheory]

For $150, you can file a lawsuit.

[@TheDprwilliams]

By law private industry can demand to be paid in jelly beans if the want. Private industry can demand to be paid in whatever form they want. The only thing US law says is that pennies are legal as opposed to being illegal. Private industry does not have to accept it.

[@johnlesley2746]

According to the US Dept. of the Treasury: Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," which states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues." This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.

[@amazingmusicman5298]

It's not the customer's fault that the staff working at the office does not know how to count beyond the number 9

[@johannareed2219]

The problem was that he "dumped" the pennies on the counter. It probably got out of hand.

[@whitehusky3]

My mom and I hate it when fast food places take FOREVER to serve us. It's FAST food for a reason! So to get even, we came up with "Penny Runs." We'd save up all of our pennies just for this purpose. When we place our order and drive up to the window, we'd start counting out pennies. However long it took them to serve us the food we ordered, that's how many pennies they received. Fast food places around town got faster when they caught wind of this.

[@foxgdsmck]

exactly, its legal tender, they are federally obligated to accept it.