Manaless Dredge Explained Turn two Kill (Gold Fish)

[@haloman123123]

I've been waiting for a video like this for months and you magically posted it yesterday. THANK YOU SIR!

[@DrewskiTheLegend]

I really want to play this deck, even if I never play Legacy events.

[@michaelreppenhagen736]

***** and the other people asking about what happens if you don't get the kill after dumping your library, you can still win without losing next turn when you can't draw. Here are some options: 1. As long as Flayer of the Hatebound is still on the board, you'll be able to do 16 damage when activate your Nether Shadows and Ichorids during your upkeep next turn since they all enter from your graveyard, killing your opponent. 2. You can use a card (Worldspine Wurm is a popular choice, but I like Hostility or Guile, any of the cheap lorwyn fatties) that goes back to your library when it "goes to your graveyard from anywhere." This buys you a turn because once you mill your whole library, it will eventually go back to the graveyard giving you a draw to swing with your zombies or do more silly graveyard stuff. (I actually run a single Grave-Shell Scarab to go with this, so I can dredge it on my upkeep next turn and keep doing that for as long as I keep getting the Scarab back into my graveyard (So, you dredge, hit your Wurm/Hostility/Whatever, it goes back to your library (which only contains it) and you can do that again during every upkeep until you get the win.) You also don't have to win strictly with Flayer damage, either. If your opponent removes the Flayer or stops you in some other way, you can reanimate a card (Flame-Kin Zealot is the usual choice) that gives your zombies and any other creatures on board haste and swing for lethal. The only issue here is you have to watch out about what you swing into, because if you kill any of your opponents creatures, you lose all of your bridge from belows (this doesn't matter much, because you're doing lethal damage, but it's good to know.) This is a good explanation of how this deck works!

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Ian Wheat Thank you for liking so many of my videos and sharing here. I hope you enjoy. =D

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Ethan Harris Some list still play Chancellor and some don't. In this video I was still using them, but this video is about 7 months old. I, like many other players, have switched to the newer Blue Manaless Dredge. You should check out that video. I recently took that list to an SCG Open trial going 3-0-1. My Draw was with lethal on the board. It is a solid list, but by far the most skill intensive variant of the Manaless archetype.

[@EthanHarris]

Can you link me to your updated list?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Check out this video. My list is pretty close to that except I am going with two Unmask in the main over Contagion. The side is a little different too. I swapped out the Chancellors for Leyline of Sanctity.

[@EthanHarris]

Table Top Magic what video? I've seen the one that we're commenting on. :P

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Sorry, for some reason KZbin didn't want to show the link. Let me try again. Manaless Dredge Blue

[@dereky3061]

Would this work in modern at the moment? thanks

[@KairahVTVods]

Do you have a deck list for this? I might be interested in running this just to trip out the kids at my game shop. They would be all like "Oh they've not played any mana yet, I got this!"

[@ArigatoPlays]

+Eris Luna "lol what a noob why does he discard his entire hand?"

[@raymondwilliams379]

+Iklalz "Idiots only playing old cards"

[@KhanGarth]

what kids are playing legacy?

[@raymondwilliams379]

+Garth Palmer Well people who don't care yet about the difference

[@KhanGarth]

Raymond Williams huh? i meant what kid has the money to play legacy

[@tabletopmagic3386]

I use Worldspine Wurm in the sideboard for things like this. I bring it in for decks like Painters Servant. Even if I they force the mill and it's in hand I can just respond after by discarding it with Phantasmagorian. I can do that for at least two turns. It also does double duty against Sneak'N Show decks along side my Ashen Riders.

[@snappingshutter.photos]

I also run Manaless Dredge as my 2nd deck (D&T is my first choice), differencr is I run Griselbrand instead of Spy. I love the SB options the Griz-list gives.

[@itsjustjabo]

can i get your deck list?

[@nfinn42]

Seriously people, Google is your friend. Stock Manaless Dredge lists are all over the web. There have been some changes since 2013 so he may not even be running the same list any more. Here is my list, which doesn't run blue b/c I can't afford Force of Wills: Dredgers 4x Grave troll 4x Stinkweed 4x Thug 2x Shambling Shell (I tried cutting a Shell but had too many no-dredge hands, ugh.) Meat 4x Ichorid 3x Nether Shadow 4x Prized Amalgam 4x Narcomoeba (Yes, Amalgam is better than Shadow. Try it and see. As long as you sequence triggers carefully it's better than it looks. Plus it lives through Elesh Norn, which is important, and allows you to easily combo kill with Flayer even if Grave Troll already got Extirpated / Surgical Extracted.) Draw 4x Gitaxian Probe 4x Street Wraith Graveyard Active 4x Therapy 4x Dread Return 4x Bridge 4x Phantasmagorian Reanimation Package 1x Flayer 1x Balustrade Spy 1x Griselbrand Anti-Hate 4x Chancellor of the Annex Sideboard varies depending on what I expect to see. A green anti-hate package is common, consisting of Dryad Arbors, Land Grants, and possibly Nature's Claims or Reverent Silences to kill hate cards. Some hate cards are so strong that you're probably dead if they resolve, like Rest in Peace, which is why the blue package with Force has become so popular. Hope this helps.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Adam Hartman In game one it is generally ok to discard your whole hand as soon as possible. In game two and three I wouldn't advise so depending on what you are playing against. If they play a Tormod's Crypt, Relic of Progenitus, Bojuka Bog, or Nihil spellbomb you will loose your graveyard. Keeping as close to seven cards in your hand gives your opponent less time to capitalize before you start dredging again.

[@lotuse2003]

It's ok to flip all the cards at once for Dredge, but you're not allowed to re-arrange the cards in your graveyard without some additional effect. Except for 'some sanctioned tournaments'. At 3:58 you moved the Nether Shadow in order to make it activate, which isn't legal. 404.2. Each graveyard is kept in a single face-up pile. A player can examine the cards in any graveyard at any time but normally can’t change their order. Additional rules applying to sanctioned tournaments may allow a player to change the order of cards in his or her graveyard.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+lotuse2003 Read on one more rule. 404.3. If an effect or rule puts two or more cards into the same graveyard at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in any order.

[@lotuse2003]

That's good to know, thanks for the clarification!

[@dakotabrewer4960]

"Good late game" Oh you mean turn 3? Lol

[@aldojay8629]

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[@jonahtravis5257]

@Aldo Jay Definitely, been using instaflixxer for since december myself =)

[@paulmcdonald9712]

This is actually a fascinating and effective win condition.

[@Captmorgann]

yeah but there's lots of graveyard hate, Rest in peace, Leyline of the void, Graffdiggers cage and also deathrite shaman is a thing in legacy too. I'm sure there's more hate i'm forgetting. I love dredge. It's one of the most fun decks to play with or against.

[@justinpatrick8696]

Thank you for sending me to this, it was extremely helpful,I hadnt seen the Flingers b4 so that is something im gonna go pick up tomorrow, thanks again.

[@tylerrike175]

So i made an account just to comment! TY for the video it helped SOO much, can't wait for some game play :D

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Bram Patelski With Manaless you will want to keep your seven, even with out a Dredger. Cards with Dredge make up 25% of your deck. You have great odds of drawing into one.

[@tcgbattlingmaster925]

can I get a deck list for this deck? I really like it

[@izzymiller337]

Is there any way you can share the decklist? I'm interested in your version of the archetype.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

If you check my Manaless Deck Tech video the list is there for what build I was using for this video. My actual deck list varies quite often depending on the meta I am expecting.

[@MrEjemploanonimo]

Right I see. I saw a couple of decks building Darksteel colossus and I gthink it was just for that, but i get what you mean. I just recently started to get into manaless dredge (and dredge in general for that matter) so I just wanted to see some of the thought put into this.

[@jasonspeir2949]

deck list?

[@manweoettam]

Deck list? Is there a Laboratory Maniac for an alternative win condition in it?

[@YabukiJoe69]

No Flame-Kin Zealot? I always thought that was the win con with all the zombie tokens.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

It is an option. Most Manaless builds have moved away from him in the last couple years. Sometimes Zealot isn't very good. If you loose a couple of your bridges early or don't have them Dredged yet he isn't going to do you very much good.

[@jaxmanf]

What do you do if they turn one Karakas or plains, pass, you discard, they Rest in Peace. Do you just lose?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

In the Spy build you do. You have options like Unmask, but the Dryad Arbor builds have access to Enchantment and Artifact hate. The new Blue Manaless just uses Force of Will or Disrupting Shoals to counter hate like RIP and Cage.

[@CaptainWwowW]

I'm a bit confused, what allows you to discard Phantasmagorian turn 1?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

You always want to be on the draw. So your turn one (on the draw) you draw and then end your turn using your the Cleanup Step to discard to seven cards with out playing any cards. That is how I discarded the Phantasmagorian. If you are still confused I would look into the comprehensive rules 514 Cleanup Step. If you are still having any issues understanding this deck feel free to ask here and I will assist you in anyway I can. Enjoy the videos.

[@CaptainWwowW]

Table Top Magic Ohh that makes perfect sense, since you draw and discard down to 7, and you'd want to discard Phantasgmagorian for its "discard 3" ability, thanks for clearing that up. While I'm at it though I gotta ask, when you activate dredge on something like Stinkweed Imp, do you do that by discarding the imp, dredging 5, and bringing it back into your hand?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

captainwow No, the card with Dredge must already be in your graveyard to activate the ability. So say turn one on the draw you discard down to seven at the end of the turn discarding a Stinkweed Imp. Then on the next turn, in place of your draw, you would return Stinkweed Imp to your hand and place five cards from the top of your library into the graveyard using the Dredge effect.

[@danielbatt5265]

what is the deck list for this deck? it would be greatly appreciated if I can get it.

[@johnconnorflanagan]

does the ability of the grave troll resolve before the hatebound, cause him entering at 0 would be useless.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

"Golgari Grave-Troll enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it for each creature card in your graveyard." So when it comes into play it already has the +1/+1 counters.

[@matt6990]

what great player interaction!

[@MrEjemploanonimo]

Hey, so if you put your whole library on the graveyard and you dont manage to kill him that turn, what do you do?

[@TheCowbellhero]

Why did you get three zombie tokens at 4:30 shouldn't you get one?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Because I had three Bridge from Bellow in my Graveyard.

[@TheCowbellhero]

Table Top Magic I proxied the deck and goldfished it multiple times. I'm thinking about building it but I can't get ichorids, do you now any cards I can use to replace it?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

TheCowbellhero There is no replacement for Ichorid. It is a key card in all builds of Dredge. In Manaless I don't even side a single copy out in games two and three.

[@Rhyooski]

i know this is a bit old but do you have a decklist for this? looking to build this in legacy while i work towards LEDs because i love this idea :)

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Unless he can stop over 40 damage I don't see this happening. I can go threw the numbers and the thought possess for a few different situations and another video if you would like. In major events I combo for the win maybe one out of 3 or 4 games. All the other wins are with Ichorid's, Nether Shadow's and Zombie tokens. Sometimes you just don't have it, sometimes they have enough disruption to stop it. Sometimes it is just the safer bet to hide the combo if you know you can win with aggro.

[@karimmarisify]

I like your manaless dredge version with a splash of blue FOW!!

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Some times you just need to get shit done. :)

[@xChikyx]

Unfortunately this can't be translated to a commander deck.. i'm looking for new ways to.improve my turn0 commader deck, but it's hard

[@sin1stral5]

Could you have brought back Flayer of the Hatebound first, then all hit them with damage from the 12 Zombies for 28 damage?

[@sin1stral5]

Answered my own question after re-watching -- awesome vid -- thanks!

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Nick Ya, the token's don't come into play from the Graveyard. So they will do no damage with Flayer of the Hatebound's effect.

[@asherq8646]

I do not understand any of this even the slightest bit....... I'm gonna rewatch till I do...... also, do have a list for this, and general price range?

[@skycrafttriixter613]

Do you have a decklist for this?

[@iangedamke7122]

How did you dredge 6 from that Gitaxian Probe/Stinkweed Imp?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

With Probe I Dredged a Grave Troll.

[@jaspermahncke3345]

Where did you get those awesome tokens?

[@untaker5455]

How did you activate the discard from the second part of Phantasmagorian twice?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Discarding cards is part of the cost. So I activated the ability once. Paid the cost. Then while it was still on the stack I activated it again and paid the cost. Discarding 6 cards total.

[@untaker5455]

Thank you. Some of the new people are going to think its cheating if I don't explain it to them if I get this deck lol.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+untaker5455 Generally people playing Legacy are past the leaning curve and understand paying costs and the stack. You will however fight with people about choosing the order of cards Dredged into your graveyard for Nether Shadow.

[@untaker5455]

I am going to have to tell my friends to stop looking around my graveyard then. They might mess up the order.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

They can look, but the order must stay the same and it will be a fight to get the people to understand dredge doesn't flip each card individually into the graveyard, but all at the same time and you chose the order they go to the graveyard. Just like how you chose the order when they go to the graveyard from anywhere else if they all go at the same time.

[@vankilsing]

you can pay phantasmagorian's 3-card discard multiple times?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

You can hold priority after activating it then activate it again. Discard is the cost. Not the effect.

[@vankilsing]

ohh i see. thanks! im actually in the process of completing this deck

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Dan Carroll Manaless generally doesn't run LEDs. Resiliency to counter magic this one of the ways this deck attacks your opponent. Not having spells you rely on to start your discard works into that.

[@MichaelHopeless]

Hey man, I'm trying to get into Legacy without selling everything I own, what would you say is the estimated cost of this deck? And are there good substitutes for cards like Iona or Griselbrand?

[@urzac875]

The deck is sub $200. You can play the Spy version and it doesn't play Griselbrand. I haven't seen Iona in a list in a while.

[@techbass9440]

I have this deck and i love it. I've gone to an open series with it and went 3-1-0. It's an amazing deck.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

You mean Open Trial?

[@techbass9440]

Oops yea that's what i meant. I usually win turn 2 or 3.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Yep, I have 4-0 and 3-1-0 a couple Open trials. Best I have done with Dredge in a Open has been 40th of 425 tho.

[@techbass9440]

Nice!! My build runs 2 chancellor of the annex and 2 phantasmagorian.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Michael Treas I can't imagine playing anything less than 4 Phantasmagorians.

[@lotuse2003]

And flashing back the Dread Return exiles it. 5:03 Correction: You did eventually move it to exile.

[@Fr492001]

I have the cards already coming in the mail, so im watching all the vids i can find about it to learn how to run it. Is there any things to look for when determining whether or not you can go off? It seemed in your vid that having a Phantasmogorian, Flayer, Bridge and Imp are the key points to look for. Thanks for the help and great vid!

[@tabletopmagic3386]

The great thing about the deck is that you don't have to go off. I win far more games by just beating people down with reoccurring 3/1s, 1/1s with haste and 2/2 Zombies then I do with the combo. The combo can have holes in the timing. Unless you're going to loose very soon there isn't a lot of need to push the combo unless you have perfect information from Gitaxian Probe or Cabal Therapy. For the most part after that you only need to make sure you still have 3 Dread Return left between your Deck and Graveyard. Then make sure you are going to be able to have enough creatures/tokens throughout the combo to flashback the Dread Returns.

[@kim15742]

Wait,... you can just discard any card from your hand at any time?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

At the end of your turn. Discards down to 7 cards. Then you have Phantasmagoria after that.

[@kim15742]

Table Top Magic Okay, but you can't just do it anytime, can you?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

End of your turn, during clean up, you discard down to 7 cards. Any time that you have priority you can activate Phantasmagoria's effect to discard 3 cards.

[@kim15742]

Table Top Magic Okay, thanks!

[@bryanraber4335]

Can I run flame kin zealot as an alternate win-con?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Sure

[@mrjuan164]

AWSOME DECK!1 where did you buy your zombie tokens they are awesome too.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Juan Martinez I made them. :P

[@mrjuan164]

Do you sell them?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Juan Martinez It would be easier to make your own. This is how I did it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXK5Yop_bp2fgac

[@123nazgu]

Won't you lose during your next draw step after you have nintyfive billion zombie tokens?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Sanctum Quis I would, but I already won. Look at Flayer of the Hatebound. When I Dread Return him and then Dread Return Grave Troll I win.

[@123nazgu]

Okai then, I've seen versions which dread return a creature which gives all your creatures haste when it enters the battlefield. And I didn't see it, and I didn't know what Flayer did, so I was like 'No, no. You lose'.

[@frodothehobo9938]

how to beat this deck extremely quickly:resolve a mind funeral

[@ViolentSh4de]

Then you dread return Lab Maniac turn 2?

[@frodothehobo9938]

+ViolentSh4de touche

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Good thing Mill isn't a real deck in competitive MTG.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+frodo the hobo None of those decks are incidental Mill decks like what Mind Funeral is. The great thing about Manaless Dredge is that to win you don't need to resolve a single spell. Just out pace them with 3/1s and 1/1s with haste and a zombie horde of 2/2s.

[@frodothehobo9938]

+Table Top Magic makes sense, like i said i thought it was pretty sweet. i love high skill decks. was mainly just poking fun because mind funeral is one of my favorite cards, although i understand burn-mill as a strategy is super fragile and not competitive in any way

[@Kennedy640]

I have 4 street wraits. is it true that cycling is instant speed or only sorcery speed?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Kennedy640 Cycling is an activated ability. It can be put on the stack at anytime you have priority.

[@jessesmoot1285]

hey what do you think as mortal combat for another win con i mean if you're playing a badass legacy or modern deck you probably don't need it but for us with less good dredge decks what do you think. Awesome vid btw.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

How am I going to cast a 4 drop in MANALESS Dredge?

[@dedicated3449]

How did you discard your whole hand with Phantasmagorian? You cant discard 3 cards two times, cause hes not in the graveyard anymore... And u couldnt even discard three cards to counter, cuz u didnt cast it...... I dont get it

[@tabletopmagic3386]

I took.the draw. At the end of my turn I had 8 cards in hand and had to discard down to 7. I discarded Phantasmagorian. Before my next Draw Step I discarded 3 cards to return Phantasmagorian to my hand. With that ability on the stack I active the ability again. That is how I did it twice.

[@dedicated3449]

+Table Top Magic ooooh I see, in that case u a genius dude thats nuts

[@tristanblaze1]

Where do you get those Zombie Tokens from? I have 1 from a 10th edition pack and my dredge deck needs more of them for some reason. LOL

[@tabletopmagic3386]

The foil ones I made myself. The other tokens came from Innistrad.

[@tristanblaze1]

Table Top Magic Can you do a video on how you made them? I really want a few of those.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

This is how they are made. MTG Permanent Proxy Process

[@Fusspilzsammler1]

What about Azami, Lady of Scrolls and Laboratory Maniac?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

That's Ops all Spells.

[@Fusspilzsammler1]

+Table Top Magic Oh I see. But this one here seems more resilient against counter and hatespells.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+Fusspilzsammler aus Leidenschaft Manaless works on the idea of not needing to resolve a single spell to win. The combo requires resolving 2 or more Dread Return, but you don't have to combo to win.

[@kayjackson1701]

Please tell me where you got you pvz zombie tokens

[@comicnerd1000]

Do people use like tormod's crypt to combat dredge

[@tabletopmagic3386]

comicnerd1000 Yes, it happens. I really only expect to see Tormod's Crypt from Painter Servant decks.

[@kim15742]

What format is this?

[@Mightypoo007]

+Mein Kanal! Legacy

[@kim15742]

AgentOrange thanks

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Thank you for watching and the comment. You should subscribe. I will have some game play coming soon.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

This would be true if I was drawing cards, but Balustrade Spy only makes Target player reveal cards from the top of his or her library until he or she reveals a land card, then puts those cards into his or her graveyard. Since you are not drawing the cards you do not lose.

[@senpai_cooly]

How much does this cost to make?

[@ultraviolentkingofthedeath4817]

It's in top 3 cheapest legacy decks with belcher and burn following closely behind . Basically this is the cheapest legacy deck becuz you don't need the dual lands .

[@HALOFREACK6588]

When you payed for Phantasmagorian why did you pay for it twice?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Cost are independent of the effect and are paid when the effect is put on the stack. Discarding 3 cards is the cost. I payed the cost and put the effect on the stack. Before it resolves I payed cost again and put the effect on the stack a 2nd time. Stack resolves last in first out. The 2nd effect resolves and Phantasmagorian is returned to my hand. The 1st trys to resolve and sees Phantasmagorian is no longer in the graveyard and fizzles.

[@namelessdisasters]

Can't believe this video was made over 3 years ago and I see you reply to a comment four minute ago after I just finish watching it. Awesome deck! Only started mtg about a year ago with a couple of college buddies, and I'm the only one who has an affinity for graveyard decks. Doing it manaless would definitely be a switch-up they wouldn't expect. I do have two questions though, if you don't mind Why were you able to summon first 3 zombie tokens, and then 12? The from Below card didn't say for "each" creature card, right? And secondly- when you're discarding several cards at once, such as your dredge 6 golgari troll, are you allowed to choose what order they go into the graveyard, so you can be sure the cards that require a certain number of creatures above them are at the bottom? Or does it resolve per each card, with each one going into the graveyard as you would draw them normally? Thanks in advance, I really enjoyed watching this deck playout, despite my confusion.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+Trixie Lulamoon After the whole deck went into the graveyard I had 4 Bridges. Then sacrificed 3 more creatures. 3x4=12 Second question 404.3. If an effect or rule puts two or more cards into the same graveyard at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in any order.

[@namelessdisasters]

Table Top Magic Thank you very much! This well help me immensely the next time I have to self-mill using my deck. Your deck is much better, though! Just for the sake of their impending argument, where can I find a listing of that rule officially?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Trixie Lulamoon Look up Priority and Costs.

[@theduckysmallz]

wouldn't you lose turn 3 due to being unable to draw?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Not when I dealt lethal damage on turn two.

[@theduckysmallz]

+Table Top Magic could you give me a price estimate on this build. I'd like to run it to fuck with my buddy who runs tron

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+BakedPotatoess This is a Legacy deck.. Not Modern.

[@theduckysmallz]

+Table Top Magic we play casual so it won't matter. we've played legacy decks against standard

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+BakedPotatoess You're looking around the $150 range. There is very little room for substitution tho.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Game play is up!

[@azir64]

you changed the order of your graveyard judge!

[@tabletopmagic3386]

I would first like to thank you for taking time to watch my videos and so closely too. Next I want to say that every time I hear this at events it feels like a hammer to the chest. Last SCG I attended I had this call 8 of 9 rounds. That being said let me begin with the complicated stuff. I never changed the order of my graveyard, but I understand where you are going with this. When you resolve an ability, like Dredge, that moves multiple cards from one game zone to another; such as my library to my graveyard, you choose the order of the cards that are placed into the new zone. So what ever order I place them into the graveyard is the correct order as long as I don't change the order of the cards that are already in my graveyard. I understand the misconception since Nether Shadow is one of the only cards that have a ability that is relevant to the order of the graveyard. I believe this is also covered in my Manaless Deck Tech. If you have anymore questions feel free to ask. ~Dredge is my business and business is a booming.~

[@tabletopmagic3386]

azir64 I understand where you are coming from, but here are the comprehensive ruling on the two rules that allow you top put the Dredged cards into your grave in any order so long as I am not tampering with the cards already in my grave. 702.51a Dredge is a static ability that functions only while the card with dredge is in a player's graveyard. "Dredge N" means "As long as you have at least N cards in your library, if you would draw a card, you may instead put N cards from the top of your library into your graveyard and return this card from your graveyard to your hand." 404.3. If an effect or rule puts two or more cards into the same graveyard at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in any order. If you have any other questions feel free to ask. :D

[@kim15742]

But don't you lo9se the game if you have no cards in your library?

[@warcheifoflegion]

+Mein Kanal! Only when you go to draw. When you cannot draw a card you lose the game

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+Mein Kanal! You win once the combo goes off before your next draw.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+IIARROWS Not something that happens in Legacy.

[@kingnothing901]

About how much is this deck?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

You're looking somewhere around $150-$200.

[@jaymirabito5029]

Why don't you run lotus petal? Now, if you have that and a spy in your opening hand, you win the game. Lotus pedal, spy, sac spy for discard spell, get 3 or 4 tokens, sac 3 tokens, return red burn creature guy using reanimate spell from graveyard. Sac using a different discard spell thingy, get three tokens, red guy returns, sac 3 with reanimate spell #2, return big green guy. You can also win on the play with this hand.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

I think we are miscommunication here. How is Lotus petal going to play Balustrade Spy?

[@jaymirabito5029]

Table Top Magic Now, granted, we are taking a short walk away from the whole "manaless" idea, but what if you where to turn this deck into a better "landless" deck? Also, now if someone plays thalia, you can still use a spell of yours.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Jay Mirabito I still don't understand how you are planning to cast Spy off of one mana? .

[@jaymirabito5029]

Table Top Magic Forgive me, I have to watch videos on the lowest resolution or it buffers forever, and I only saw the black mana symbol!

[@BB-pn2qv]

Good video!

[@MrRhysrogers]

is this modern or legacy?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Legacy

[@MrRhysrogers]

+Table Top Magic thanks

[@reaeper2076]

Can you possibly post a deck list? I wanna build this and wreck my buddies

[@reaeper2076]

Also i realize this is an old video. But i see an issue or, maybe blind to something. The Spy has you search for a land and then discard. You have no land so the "searching" wouldnt stop. So after you draw the last card and its not a land the spy ability would have you continue the search. Resulting on you milling yourself? If im wrong or have missed a detail plz let me know cuz i would love to build this.

[@AGuyWhoPunkUMama]

is this modern?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Not by a longshot.

[@rustyspygoat4089]

its standard

[@PraetorGix]

LOL. Nah mate it's Frontier.

[@dominikskeries]

the nether shadow was put in to play falsely there where no 3 creatures above itthat wasnt even close to a turn 2 kill sorry

[@tabletopmagic3386]

How so?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Two Stinkweed Imps and a Narcomoeba is three creatures.

[@dominikskeries]

shadow dread return imp bridge dude

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+Dominik Skeries At 2:35 the order of my graveyard, from bottom to top, is Nether Shadow, Dread Return, Stinkweed Imp, Narcomoeba. Stinkweed Imp, and Bridge from Below.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

There are 6 cards in my graveyard. The 6 cards I discarded to Phantasmagorian. Nether Shadow+Dreaded Return+Stinkweed+Narcomoeba+ Stinkweed+ Bridge= 6 cards

[@EvaSlayAllDay334]

And Probe doesn't go the graveyard until it is done resolving.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

You are correct, I was in the mindset of Street Wraith. lol

[@blackred1032]

those plants vs zombie tokens LOL made me laugh

[@Combobreaker100]

Flame Kin-Zealot is just as fun as flayer :)

[@TheCreature7329]

Combobreaker100 very much agree :)

[@EpicSongTime]

i love this and you

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Thank you

[@EvaSlayAllDay334]

I know it's just for teaching purposes, but you should never, under any circumstances, put cards into your graveyard the way you did. Even though you can order your dredges, once you place a card into your graveyard, an opponent in a highly competitive REL may not allow you to reposition cards by the time the last card is dredged. This could be highly relevant if you hit a Nether Shadow.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

I am honored to have Hollywood posting on my channel. You are correct that the cards Dredged should not go into the graveyard before the order is is established. Normally when I play Manaless Dredge at events I place the cards into the middle of the table before I place them into the graveyard. Same goes for LED Dredge especially after I board in Ashen Ghouls. Thanks for taking the time to comment on my videos. I hope you like and subscribe to my channel. I will be posting some videos for Quadlazer Dredge soon. PS, Good Luck Tomorrow.

[@SHiTJuFro743]

Nothing quite like breaking the game of Magic to make your deck the one you will never get to play against friends.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

SHiTJuFro743 This isn't a deck That I would play against casual Magic players. It also isn't the most broken deck in Legacy by a long shot.

[@SHiTJuFro743]

True.

[@TurtleKnite]

Table Top Magic It's not broken in that it's unbeatable (I mean it folds to hate harder than just about anything I know), but I'd definitely say it breaks Magic. It doesn't play using really any of the mechanics that were designed to play the game. It cheats its way around everything central to magic, and in that way it breaks it.

[@thijs9454]

SHiTJuFro743 I love my manabarb deck, but all it requires me to do to win is doing nothing. When i'm playing with friends i'm like 'stop hitting yourself', but it isn't a fun deck to play with, for all parties.

[@helmutuhlmann5207]

Aaaand... fog.

[@Yomachaser]

There are 2 effect damage kills so fog won't even slow this down.

[@gabrielazolini6069]

@@Yomachaser You could also name Fog with Cabal Therapy, since you saw their hand with Gitaxian Probe at the beginning.

[@justinweber1962]

Nice intro song man

[@creampanic4595]

what song is that, I can't remember the name

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+Nicolbolas Hardesty The actual name of the song is, "Korobeiniki". It is a Russian folk song. It is commonly known as the the Tetris theme song.

[@creampanic4595]

Oh that's where I recognized it from! Thanks for that

[@thecusk6918]

And that's why Crypt Incursion is good

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+Artjom Menkov Too slow in Legacy.

[@thecusk6918]

+Table Top Magic It probably is, along with cranial archive. We can still slow this deck with Beckon Apparation, which will exile valuable combo pieces, then cast it to ruin it's chances.

[@blackred1032]

but I still don't get it.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

What don't you understand?

[@blackred1032]

Idk man

[@tabletopmagic3386]

What don't you get?

[@reconfiguredworld6876]

maybe you could add "legacy" to your title to save people some time

[@TheFSUShow24]

Im building my dredge at the moment

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Good for you. I hope you enjoy the deck.

[@kevindinwoodie3790]

I love dredge

[@tabletopmagic3386]

You are a man of exceptional taste!

[@RauphleStomper123]

if you mill your deck with spy and never hit a land you deck out the effect doesnt stop because the deck does...

[@bunbunfriedrice]

That was turn 3.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

If I took the Draw then on my turn one I Draw and Discard. On the end of my opponents turn two I start Dredging. On my Turn 2 I finish the combo.

[@TheCreature7329]

I wonder how many people watched this video then told you what you did wrong when they don't even understand all the mechanics in this deck.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

A lot

[@megustasubs]

rearranging cards in grave is still an illigal move in legacy

[@taylorhatch6892]

@@megustasubs From the Comprihensive Rules: 404.3. If an effect or rule puts two or more cards into the same graveyard at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in any order. When you dredge, you do so all at once, and so, you can choose the order they go to the graveyard.

[@crazycameramanyo1362]

cool

[@phyrexiannewborn7104]

How many people have commented asking for a decklist? You should probably post one in the info, or else people are going to keep asking. Here, for the people who keep asking: www.mtgvault.com/xmasasn/decks/manaless-spy-dredge/

[@Kennedy640]

I love this deck but I hate it. It dodges force of will greatly but it's so overpowered and boring for both you and your opponent

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Never boring to play. You constantly have to watch your triggers and time your activations. Often making 5 or more plays a turn.

[@Kennedy640]

+Table Top Magic I mean if your playing casually

[@tabletopmagic3386]

+Kennedy640 This isn't a casual deck.

[@Kennedy640]

Table Top Magic random question, how do you dodge rest in peace?

[@tabletopmagic3386]

Just hope to dodge it really.

[@chacepassmore6474]

Imagine playing against a mill deck lol

[@mafiadad9495]

dang

[@megustasubs]

rearranges cards in grave: gets diqualified

[@tabletopmagic3386]

When cards go to the graveyard at the same time the owner of the cards chooses the order.

[@nathanrao-maillet1600]

lmao i love that deck

[@karimmarisify]

+ big one!!!

[@aiRCoft]

You can't repeat the effect of Phantasmagorian as many times as you want, like you did your second turn by discarding six cards; it doesn't say you "may" return it to your hand, therefore as soon as you activate the ability and discard three cards, it is immediately returned to your hand.

[@tabletopmagic3386]

aiRCoft It's called the stack and yes I can as many times as I can pay the cost. regardless of the effect.

[@yugidude1]

aiRCoft You can activate phantasmagorian's ability in response to another instance of the ability on the stack. Although do be aware it requires you to hold priority.

[@TheCreature7329]

aiRCoft if you hold priority you are allowed to activate the ability twice because it will be on the stack.

[@Dracula797ESP]

Woah, that's disgusting!