God I loved this deck back in the day. I changed it some and made it dominate FNM's. I recall one game where I was playing against a mono white life gain deck and I just picked and chose when I took damage or not. They had Ajani, caller of the pride and I let them do the last ability. They had about 100 life so they go to put that many 2/2 cat creatures out on the Battlefield. They attacked with all and I used riot control to get the life and prevent. Did my turn and passed. There next turn they attacked again and I used Cyclonic Rift for overload cost removing all the tokens and returning what little creatures they had to hand. We ended up go to turns and I won 1-0 cause I couldn't get the last 2 gates I needed nor find my Maze's End.
@brunovieiradelimaaugustovi59392 жыл бұрын
Esse e o deck mais belo que tem no Magic , infelizmente no Brasil as coisas são caras mas logo terei um desse :)
@wolfstorm1234 жыл бұрын
Frantic search should be unbanned at this point.
@Salamando4 жыл бұрын
Has anyone here in the comments section ever played a game of tournament Magic where the opponent did not present his deck to be cut?? I'm shocked by this. I've played in tournaments around the continental US and never once has this happened to me.
@chacepassmore64745 жыл бұрын
Imagine playing against a mill deck lol
@BB-pn2qv5 жыл бұрын
Good video!
@Dracula797ESP5 жыл бұрын
Woah, that's disgusting!
@nathanrao-maillet16005 жыл бұрын
lmao i love that deck
@megustasubs6 жыл бұрын
rearranges cards in grave: gets diqualified
@tabletopmagic33862 жыл бұрын
When cards go to the graveyard at the same time the owner of the cards chooses the order.
@reconfiguredworld68766 жыл бұрын
maybe you could add "legacy" to your title to save people some time
@reaeper20766 жыл бұрын
Can you possibly post a deck list? I wanna build this and wreck my buddies
@reaeper20766 жыл бұрын
Also i realize this is an old video. But i see an issue or, maybe blind to something. The Spy has you search for a land and then discard. You have no land so the "searching" wouldnt stop. So after you draw the last card and its not a land the spy ability would have you continue the search. Resulting on you milling yourself? If im wrong or have missed a detail plz let me know cuz i would love to build this.
@xChikyx6 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this can't be translated to a commander deck.. i'm looking for new ways to.improve my turn0 commader deck, but it's hard
@nycfcistrash20976 жыл бұрын
Literally just demand to cut their deck every time they shuffle
@luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul6 жыл бұрын
So... Gitaxian Probe banned, how to keep it running in legacy?
@burntheobedient68746 жыл бұрын
Stop shuffling the cards in ylur hand. Its not cool. It doesnt make you a better player. It doesnt change your cards.
@badatmagic50426 жыл бұрын
it keeps your hands moving wile you think, it’s a good way to help concentrate
@wasted4satan3907 жыл бұрын
Commentary would be nice.
@kayjackson17017 жыл бұрын
Please tell me where you got you pvz zombie tokens
@dakotabrewer49607 жыл бұрын
"Good late game" Oh you mean turn 3? Lol
@aldojay86293 жыл бұрын
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@jonahtravis52573 жыл бұрын
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@matt69907 жыл бұрын
what great player interaction!
@manweoettam7 жыл бұрын
Deck list? Is there a Laboratory Maniac for an alternative win condition in it?
@batatarugal7 жыл бұрын
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@helmutuhlmann52077 жыл бұрын
Aaaand... fog.
@Yomachaser7 жыл бұрын
There are 2 effect damage kills so fog won't even slow this down.
@gabrielazolini60695 жыл бұрын
@@Yomachaser You could also name Fog with Cabal Therapy, since you saw their hand with Gitaxian Probe at the beginning.
@jessesmoot12857 жыл бұрын
hey what do you think as mortal combat for another win con i mean if you're playing a badass legacy or modern deck you probably don't need it but for us with less good dredge decks what do you think. Awesome vid btw.
@tabletopmagic33867 жыл бұрын
How am I going to cast a 4 drop in MANALESS Dredge?
@TheCreature73297 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many people watched this video then told you what you did wrong when they don't even understand all the mechanics in this deck.
@tabletopmagic33867 жыл бұрын
A lot
@megustasubs6 жыл бұрын
rearranging cards in grave is still an illigal move in legacy
@taylorhatch68926 жыл бұрын
@@megustasubs From the Comprihensive Rules: 404.3. If an effect or rule puts two or more cards into the same graveyard at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in any order. When you dredge, you do so all at once, and so, you can choose the order they go to the graveyard.
@Combobreaker1007 жыл бұрын
Flame Kin-Zealot is just as fun as flayer :)
@TheCreature73297 жыл бұрын
Combobreaker100 very much agree :)
@nfinn427 жыл бұрын
Seriously people, Google is your friend. Stock Manaless Dredge lists are all over the web. There have been some changes since 2013 so he may not even be running the same list any more. Here is my list, which doesn't run blue b/c I can't afford Force of Wills: Dredgers 4x Grave troll 4x Stinkweed 4x Thug 2x Shambling Shell (I tried cutting a Shell but had too many no-dredge hands, ugh.) Meat 4x Ichorid 3x Nether Shadow 4x Prized Amalgam 4x Narcomoeba (Yes, Amalgam is better than Shadow. Try it and see. As long as you sequence triggers carefully it's better than it looks. Plus it lives through Elesh Norn, which is important, and allows you to easily combo kill with Flayer even if Grave Troll already got Extirpated / Surgical Extracted.) Draw 4x Gitaxian Probe 4x Street Wraith Graveyard Active 4x Therapy 4x Dread Return 4x Bridge 4x Phantasmagorian Reanimation Package 1x Flayer 1x Balustrade Spy 1x Griselbrand Anti-Hate 4x Chancellor of the Annex Sideboard varies depending on what I expect to see. A green anti-hate package is common, consisting of Dryad Arbors, Land Grants, and possibly Nature's Claims or Reverent Silences to kill hate cards. Some hate cards are so strong that you're probably dead if they resolve, like Rest in Peace, which is why the blue package with Force has become so popular. Hope this helps.
@guybrushthreepwood81748 жыл бұрын
GO GET MOUNTAIN DEW, BASIC LANDS, and sharpies *ROTFL*
@austin25688 жыл бұрын
Deck list?
@ronisan99008 жыл бұрын
or goryos or griselbrand must be modern ban
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
Roni San, Sure...
@SonictheBedHog8 жыл бұрын
People who cycle cards in their hands are suspicious just to begin with.
@aiRCoft8 жыл бұрын
You can't repeat the effect of Phantasmagorian as many times as you want, like you did your second turn by discarding six cards; it doesn't say you "may" return it to your hand, therefore as soon as you activate the ability and discard three cards, it is immediately returned to your hand.
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
aiRCoft It's called the stack and yes I can as many times as I can pay the cost. regardless of the effect.
@yugidude18 жыл бұрын
aiRCoft You can activate phantasmagorian's ability in response to another instance of the ability on the stack. Although do be aware it requires you to hold priority.
@TheCreature73297 жыл бұрын
aiRCoft if you hold priority you are allowed to activate the ability twice because it will be on the stack.
@irlrp8 жыл бұрын
The MOST ridiculous story about cheating i ever eard... A judge... A FREAKING JUDGE... that i knew (i was a judge too) got caught as a player as presenting a mana weaved deck... He got suspended 6 months. That guy was a freaking judge, i worked with him as tournament staff... that's a fucking shame.
@joshb32338 жыл бұрын
These cheats all rely on the opponent not cutting, which every magic player should be doing every time their opponent shuffles
@vankilsing8 жыл бұрын
you can pay phantasmagorian's 3-card discard multiple times?
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
You can hold priority after activating it then activate it again. Discard is the cost. Not the effect.
@vankilsing8 жыл бұрын
ohh i see. thanks! im actually in the process of completing this deck
@AGuyWhoPunkUMama8 жыл бұрын
is this modern?
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
Not by a longshot.
@rustyspygoat40897 жыл бұрын
its standard
@PraetorGix6 жыл бұрын
LOL. Nah mate it's Frontier.
@blackred10328 жыл бұрын
but I still don't get it.
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
What don't you understand?
@blackred10328 жыл бұрын
Idk man
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
What don't you get?
@blackred10328 жыл бұрын
those plants vs zombie tokens LOL made me laugh
@kartoffelnpommesgut8 жыл бұрын
I play it now with Prized Amalgam instead of Shambling Shell. It works pretty fine actually.
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
You can't nit-pick a 3 year old video for not playing a new card. lol
@kartoffelnpommesgut8 жыл бұрын
I was actually making the comment to share opinions with a felow manaless dredge player. You think they're worth the slot over the Shells? Or not? I like also to share experiences over the deck functionality.
@RendaAdams8 жыл бұрын
What I don't understand is why people don't run kiora's follower. With one out you can get two maze's end activations out in one turn.
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
When this was a Standard deck 2 1/2 years ago only one of the Fog effects would protect Planeswalkers and she couldn't protect herself and play extra lands.
@777Lateralus8 жыл бұрын
mana flip boxes are terrible, satin towers are way better
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
Ok
@tcgbattlingmaster9258 жыл бұрын
can I get a deck list for this deck? I really like it
@Captmorgann8 жыл бұрын
great opening. I would love to know if you're still playing manaless dredge an if you are you should do an updated deck tech on it.
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
I have been playing LED Dredge for the last couple years now.
@Captmorgann8 жыл бұрын
Nice Since my return to magic I've been playing my foiled out TES
@paulmcdonald97128 жыл бұрын
This is actually a fascinating and effective win condition.
@Captmorgann8 жыл бұрын
yeah but there's lots of graveyard hate, Rest in peace, Leyline of the void, Graffdiggers cage and also deathrite shaman is a thing in legacy too. I'm sure there's more hate i'm forgetting. I love dredge. It's one of the most fun decks to play with or against.
@HALOFREACK65888 жыл бұрын
When you payed for Phantasmagorian why did you pay for it twice?
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
Cost are independent of the effect and are paid when the effect is put on the stack. Discarding 3 cards is the cost. I payed the cost and put the effect on the stack. Before it resolves I payed cost again and put the effect on the stack a 2nd time. Stack resolves last in first out. The 2nd effect resolves and Phantasmagorian is returned to my hand. The 1st trys to resolve and sees Phantasmagorian is no longer in the graveyard and fizzles.
@namelessdisasters8 жыл бұрын
Can't believe this video was made over 3 years ago and I see you reply to a comment four minute ago after I just finish watching it. Awesome deck! Only started mtg about a year ago with a couple of college buddies, and I'm the only one who has an affinity for graveyard decks. Doing it manaless would definitely be a switch-up they wouldn't expect. I do have two questions though, if you don't mind Why were you able to summon first 3 zombie tokens, and then 12? The from Below card didn't say for "each" creature card, right? And secondly- when you're discarding several cards at once, such as your dredge 6 golgari troll, are you allowed to choose what order they go into the graveyard, so you can be sure the cards that require a certain number of creatures above them are at the bottom? Or does it resolve per each card, with each one going into the graveyard as you would draw them normally? Thanks in advance, I really enjoyed watching this deck playout, despite my confusion.
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
+Trixie Lulamoon After the whole deck went into the graveyard I had 4 Bridges. Then sacrificed 3 more creatures. 3x4=12 Second question 404.3. If an effect or rule puts two or more cards into the same graveyard at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in any order.
@namelessdisasters8 жыл бұрын
Table Top Magic Thank you very much! This well help me immensely the next time I have to self-mill using my deck. Your deck is much better, though! Just for the sake of their impending argument, where can I find a listing of that rule officially?
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
Trixie Lulamoon Look up Priority and Costs.
@elimecham8908 жыл бұрын
did you just meh the sylvan library?
@PaJoGamingPT8 жыл бұрын
Sweet Box... ;)
@crimzunz8 жыл бұрын
Phoenix does mtg appoved! 👍👍
@untaker54558 жыл бұрын
How did you activate the discard from the second part of Phantasmagorian twice?
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
Discarding cards is part of the cost. So I activated the ability once. Paid the cost. Then while it was still on the stack I activated it again and paid the cost. Discarding 6 cards total.
@untaker54558 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Some of the new people are going to think its cheating if I don't explain it to them if I get this deck lol.
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
+untaker5455 Generally people playing Legacy are past the leaning curve and understand paying costs and the stack. You will however fight with people about choosing the order of cards Dredged into your graveyard for Nether Shadow.
@untaker54558 жыл бұрын
I am going to have to tell my friends to stop looking around my graveyard then. They might mess up the order.
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
They can look, but the order must stay the same and it will be a fight to get the people to understand dredge doesn't flip each card individually into the graveyard, but all at the same time and you chose the order they go to the graveyard. Just like how you chose the order when they go to the graveyard from anywhere else if they all go at the same time.
@theduckysmallz8 жыл бұрын
i was looking at the list. would it be a good idea to drop the 2 contagions into the side board and run 3 flayer of the hatebounds instead of 1
@tabletopmagic33868 жыл бұрын
You only need two Flayers at most and that's because they can combo off of each other. I wouldn't cut Contagion unless you just want to lose to DRS on turn one. DRS is a very popular card.