Mance's Secret Identity - ASOIAF Theories

[@wrileynelson9922]

Been waiting for years for someone to speak the truth. Man broke into a house and called himself Home Intruder

[@pyramidion5911]

Castle crasher was too on the nose

[@Kidd-In-Charge]

“Septon Sempra is a DEEP CUT” I AM LOSING MY MIND. The spell literally CUTS DEEPLY

[@MrSilvUr]

It's wild to me that you say that "Manse Raider" is a name that you would change if you were a candidate in a Wildling election. That's like saying you would change the name Sea Scourge if you were at a Kingsmoot.

[@Rougarou99]

I should point out that one of Osha’s group in A Game of Thrones is a Night’s Watch deserter who’s name is, ostensibly, Wallen.

[@sylvielaufeydottir2812]

Speaking of bad fake names for some reason my brain immediately went to a Faceless Man going by Ace-less Dan, a guy who just really sucks at poker

[@heatran1919]

I'm gonna guess before finishing the video: Mance is actually Lyanna Stark

[@TheCreepyLantern]

First of all thank you so much for continuing to shout out Within Strange Aeons in the description, means the world to me ^_^ secondly, the idea of a young rhaegar targaryen sneaking down to finally see his wife's tomb, after seeing their son for the first time in his life... and not being able to be open about any of his emotions except for here in the dark alone... and he chooses to leave something as vital and world changing as the horn there, with her. i am picturing him talking to her grave and saying something to the affect of 'see now you know i'll be back to see you my love... you take care of the horn, and i'll take care of our boy' hell he could have left the horn AND his harp with her purely as an act of love, since he can't come back to lay flowers after all

[@acg3934]

Mance wanted access to Winterfell's library, maybe? The one that conveniently burned down after Jon's party set out for the Wall.

[@InterestingNerdClub]

Wait wait wait wait that's really good

[@thesusposter48]

​@@InterestingNerdClubmaybe not-Mance went the winterfell library to steal the declaration of independence like the hit movie National Treasure (2004)

[@thesusposter48]

​@@InterestingNerdClubmaybe not-Mance was there to steal the declaration of independence like the hit movie National Treasure (2004)

[@Kidd-In-Charge]

Also a good place to find a map of Winterfell! Honestly after stealing anything in particular, starting a fire is the best cover for whatever you stole. Slots in very nicely with Mance hiring the Cat’s Paw

[@williamhermann6635]

Nah hes going for the crypts

[@bakedpotato7858]

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[@JamieEgg-qs9mc]

What about this- Rhaegar was there to “get the measure of the Southron King” Jon Snow. The King being Jon Snow. And he was Raiding the Manse to steal Jon Snow and bring him north

[@JamieEgg-qs9mc]

His “beyond important” quest that “nobody can know about” is to get Jon to fulfill the prophecy.

[@JamieEgg-qs9mc]

Symbolically you could say that Jon the Southron King is the “horn of winter” in this case

[@AnellaNightheart]

There is something just a little comforting that kind of feels like solidarity to have new videos from all these creators on completely different topics in completely different genres start their newest videos with basically "So something not so chill happened guys" and then go on and just keep creating

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[@Ganymedia9]

Okay, but the chair thing is brilliant. Also, as someone who once worked at a college library, I gotta tell you that if it was a student librarian, there's a very significant chance they 1) wouldn't be paying attention, and 2) would find it super funny if they did notice.

[@Lespritdelescali]

If Mance was still a sworn brother when Jon was a kid, he 100% knows Ben Stark and knows him well. Moreover, if Mance was one of the brothers who travelled, it opens the door for him to know a lot more people south of wall than you would think and to have been active in (or at least aware of) the conspiracy shenanigans before and during the rebellion. We know that Aemon was all up in that mess by correspondence at minimum. I feel like Charlie looking for Pepe Silva right now, but there is an entirely plausible Ocean's 11 plot here in the background just waiting to be found.

[@skodware]

@@Lespritdelescali Nah, Mance explicitly states that Benjen wouldn't have known him by sight. That's how he was able to pull off being at the Winterfell feast in the first place

[@Lespritdelescali]

@@skodware To me that's even more suspicious. The idea that Benjen wouldn't even know of someone as gregarious as Mance and was high ranking enough to have been in the travelling party to Winterfell when Jon was a kid seems like a "he doth protest too much" to me.

[@jvcolbert]

love the video so far! have to finish later because someone on the phone with a clipboard had to borrow my pc. he looked really busy yet organized!

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What's happening in the next 4 years? Did I miss something in the news?

[@pyramidion5911]

​@@stephaniesnitily1734orange man bad type of comment

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[@Kidd-In-Charge]

Rob Banks is Max Fosh, who is also known for the “Welcome to Luton” prank at Heathrow airport, for gay marrying into the Royal Family, and much other English mischief

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4:00 I watch your videos but never comment in general, I think this is my third one in 10+ years of YT.

[@bakedpotato7858]

You can pretty much go wherever you want if you wear coveralls and carry a ladder

[@IntermissionForBunny]

i one shotted this in my brain at the opening quote

[@iHuntBearsWithMyFist]

Bael the Bard called himself something obvious in the old tongue like "thief" to the King of Winterfell before he stole the daughter and left her with a son. Ygrite tells Jon this story specifically. Interesting tie in to the Freys, when big plus little walder play Lord of the Crossing with Bran watching, the rules are if you say "mayhaps" the promises you make do not count. So if Mance calls himself Raider like Bael called himself thief, then Mance can raid or steal with less punishment from the gods he believes in. Old gods or Great Other or Tully River gods for all I know

[@treefist]

Perhaps he was dropping off a dragon's egg into the crypts of Winterfell. That's what starts John's Dragon dreams. He was just giving his son his birthright dragon.

[@kevinmorphis3229]

The name Alleras is convenient so Samwell Tarly can eventually identify the riddle, aka the sphinx. Prove me wrong

[@parkuuwuu]

I always appreciate Tom’s effort to always capitalize proper nouns lmao

[@facundomedina9762]

I don't think he would hide the horn in Winterfell, especially considering there are multiple uninhabited castles at the wall. But this did make me think back at how the lower levels of the crypt are unaccesable because of a collapse, and how that would actually be the best cover to hide the horn of winter centuries ago

[@cbob213]

Mance also knows a boar warg…. Just sayin… future theory. If he didn’t like the “measure” of Bobby B. Also, boar warg is fun to say.

[@pyramidion5911]

I love how no one ever considers Ned

[@cynza79]

What’s with the Stark Ladies having a weakness for music that ends in turmoil? We got 1) Brandon Stark’s daughter getting seduced by Bael the Bard and then their kid (according to story/rumor) grows up to kill his own father during a wildling raid 2) Lyanna Stark running off with Rhaegar Targaryen after hearing him sing which is the direct cause of Robert’s Rebellion and 3) Sansa being so enamored with love stories in songs she’s heard (songs sung by Mance Rayder?) that her desire to be like one of the maidens in those songs is a big catalyst in the downfall of her family

[@somewhat_annoyed_llama]

A new Larys theory you say? Colour me intrigued. Also thanks for the shoutout!

[@GrimmDelightsDice]

This is one of those theories that makes me want to get back to writing fantasy because all the moving parts make sense actually. I really like this one, guys! ETA: the villains wiki has some extremely hot takes on who's a villain in general. It has huge comedy potential lmao

[@StevenElkhome]

I really appreciate this theory, because it gives a better explanation for Mance's too-on-the-nose name, other than just George forgetting to change the placeholder he left.

[@StevenElkhome]

And by "better" I mean literally any other explanation.

[@pyramidion5911]

"I wanted to take the measure of the southron king" as in he stole the emergency measure of some old king. Mance is clearly all about the double meanings

[@swayback7375]

3:37 “I don’t know you! That’s my purse!”

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I watch religiously and I want more livestreams plz and thanks. EDITED TO ADD: Out of all the chars keeping their initials but changing their identities/names, I think the funniest would be Arthur Dayne changing his name to Allar Deem, only for Tyrion to have him thrown overboard lol

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GUYS!!! black cloak, red silk! Wouldn’t a TARG want that?!

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[@MoonManTheories]

Dang I gotta get my part 3 out. I almost commented when you listed the reasons to send the president, but you eventually got to what i was gonna say which is key: The president send himself because his public political program does not necessarily match all of his ultimate plans and dealings. Mance is up to things the free folk can't know. I have ideas about what he was really looking for in the frost fangs and what he might look for at Winterfell, but I also like your idea that he could be hiding the Horn of Winter there, to keep it from the others. Makes perfect sense.

[@MoonManTheories]

excelent stuff

[@BeteBlanc]

There are some interesting possibilities in here. Some that make sense if I'm correct and Benjen is hiding in the Crypts, and is the Hooded Man that Theon sees. First, old theory, Mance actually came all the way up from KL. He was technically there to deliver the package containing the myrish eye and note from Lysa. Your connection to Benjen is actually interesting and one I'd like to see explored more. First of all it's reasonable to assume Gared was sent with the pregnant direwolf, by Coldhands. It's interesting for a number of reasons that might not fit in thus comment. I'll summerize them by pointing put the fact Sam was sent by Coldhands to retrieve Bran and the possibility Gared was to deliver direwolf pups. Coldhands works for a LC, Brynden. We are told Rangers keep disappearing. Some may be dead, but others like Gared, Sam, Mance, and Ben may be running missions for Coldhands/BR. It's even possible BR gave Mance the mission to build the Wildling army. If Benjen was found by Coldhands and asked to return to Winterfell to be the Stark in Winterfell (hidden) until Bran returned, it may make sense in the context if this video. Mance could have done this to secretly meet with and plan with Benjen. There's a possible Jon layer in there, but I'll avoid it for the moment as this is getting long.

[@samuelcerullo9913]

4:30 while I and a somewhat annoyed llamma are two separate people I believe someone has been partaking in identity theft since i have not been active here since the summer

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7:00 I don't mean to alarm-ya (pronounced like llama)

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[@angelajansons9037]

The chair story is brilliant!

[@williamhermann6635]

"Jon, my real name is Arthur Dayne and you are my nephew."

[@nathanielvalla6142]

Mance could have came down to Winterfall for any combination of your reasonings. If he is Rheagar he could be coming to not just Benjen but also Ned to see how plans are going

[@rosstemby1347]

Deceiver of stone

[@hannahbarz5854]

I didn’t hear any mention of the horn found with the cache of dragon glass weapons! I can’t remember if Sam (from Horn Hill) has it still or not. This theory is fun and connects to one of my greatest disappointments from the show: the ultimate non-importance of the crypts of winterfell. Also I feel like the potential power of Rhaegar and the harp could have been examined more. Especially since the Stark ladies have a soft spot for music.

[@DD-ok2pt]

This is related to my theory regarding Petyr Baelish.... get it? He is kind of Bael-ish! Just like Beal snuck into houses to leave his seed so did little finger with Sweet Robin....and Sansa

[@julianlleida5483]

Damn, I was literally halfway through a comment about maybe he thought the Horn of Winter was hidden in Winterfell's crypts when you guys got to that part of the theory. 😂😂😂

[@iron545]

Ah ha, I'm not active in the community, so they don't know anything about me! And they never will. My evil plan is all coming together.

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

At least Rob Banks is slightly more wholesome than the name Rob Graves.

[@allanchon1361]

I was laughing at the chair story and dropped my toast 🥲

[@GrimmDelightsDice]

That is such a deeply fantastic chair story honestly.

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Coming into this on the back of getting my heart broken by Arcane season 2 episode 6’s ending

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5:14 llamas, please, I need this to happen 6:44 giraffe’s original English name was camelopard, giraffe derived from the Arabic word zirrafe which means tall. Accidentally drawing a giraffe when trying to draw a llama makes a lot of sense. Try drawing a camel without a hump and a more gracile face next time

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I don't think it's just the whiskey. Unless it's just the weed.

[@writernightly2397]

If yall ever look for another series to analyze/theorize about I highly recommend the Second Apocalypse by R. Scott Bakker My greatest pitch for the series is imagine a political fantasy as good as Ice & Fire, but if all the most crackpot theories ended up true. The author is a bit more high fantasy than George, but just as good at plot twists, existentialism, foreshadowing and cosmic horror. Reading the 7 books that are currently out genuinely feels like building up to and then actually getting a crazy Winds of Winter. It's a great read for pleasure as is, but there's also at least one more book in the works so there is a LOT to theorycraft with. Though no KZbinrs have really jumped on it despite the series' recent spike in popularity.

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[@julianlleida5483]

I have a good one! He took the oldest sword from the Winterfell crypts! This sword would have been placed on Bran the Builder's statue. Ned notes that the oldest swords are missing when he brings Robert down to the crypts. He thinks that they had rusted away, leaving only a red streak, but that streak would still be there if the sword was just removed by someone, as evidenced when Theon noticed the swords that Bran & co took leaving the same red rust streak. Mance could have gone down into the crypts before them once Robert's party had arrived while Robert is meeting the Stark family in the courtyard. All eyes would have been on this gathering, giving him a small window to slip into the crypts before Ned & Robert go down there. Why would he take the sword, you ask? Well, this is my national treasure theory..... He came to Winterfell thinking he would find the Horn of Winter hidden in the crypts. Book quote.... We never found the Horn of Winter. We opened half a hundred graves and let all those shades loose in the world, and never found the Horn of Joramun to bring this cold thing down! -Ygritte to Jon Snow Perhaps Bran the builder's grave was one of those graves that they opened in an attempt to find it. It would make sense to hide it somewhere where the wildlings could not access it, but the Starks could if the need ever arose to fell the wall. (Another pun on Winterfell's name) What better grave to hide the horn that can bring down the wall in than the grave of the guy who built the damn thing! When Mance gets to Brandon's crypt, he doesn't find the Horn, but discovers some sort of inscription on the sword or the statue indicating the location of the horn. Some have theorized that the horn is actually frozen in the wall. Perhaps the builder's sword is some sort of key needed to access the part of the wall that contains the horn, so Mance takes it with him. The wildlings don't appear to still be searching grave sites north of the wall after this point, or at least when Jon joins them. Maybe this is because they now know that the horn isn't in a grave, but is frozen somewhere in the wall & they need that sword to access it. Just a kooky thought. Let me know what you guys think!

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Maybe I shouldn't have put the whole theory there in case you guys wanted to use it for a video 😅

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