Mandalorian Season 3 gets judged by the fans... and it's not pretty. (Let's Talk Some Star Wars)

[@slim..reaper]

It’s not that it was horrible, it was just so bland. It lacked any depth and real story. It felt like it was written by Chat GPT. The fans clearly love Mando and he got sidelined in this show, like Boba did. Highly disappointing season especially after the first 2 seasons were so good. The peak of the show was Luke saving everyone, it will never reach that level again.

[@chasehedges6775]

👍👍👍

[@chasehedges6775]

S1 and 2 were 🔥

[@devildolphin2102]

Whoa man, That’s an insult to Chat GPT, the South Park episode shows that Chat is way better than Mandalorian Writers

[@thomaslacornette1282]

Honestly i think chatGPT could have done better... at least would have make something more conistent and logic and probably respect lore.

[@achaudhari101]

This thread is on crack to think AI did this season or that it can do things better.

[@vic_con_carne5137]

Most fans of the Mando have not watched the cartoon adaptations of Star Wars. They could have kept grogu from the story and allowed him to train w Luke. Then fleshed out mandalorean culture and it’s adversarial position w the empire and the empires Remnant following Gideon. With cut scenes to Luke and grogu in deep training. So much was missed and we got this melting pot of good ideas executed poorly.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

Omg yes. Thats exactly what I was thinking. Do some moments like by the fire when everyone goes off to eat and din reflects on moments with grogu that we didnt necessarily see or maybe some we did like when he was fixing his armor. Then cut scene to grogu training and have a frog moment and reflect back to a moment we saw or didnt see between them. Use it as a narrative bridge to connect two different stories. Andor cut scenes between characters were well executed using visual and audio cues.

[@jonahrains7483]

Mandalorian

[@AndreNitroX]

Clone wars to this day is God tier Star Wars because they explored characters backstories, alien worlds and different cultures

[@josebeteta8283]

I would not have been adverse to having a dual point of view of Mando on his quest to retake Mandalore with Bo Katan and Grogu training with Luke/ Ahsoka on the other hand. If the finale of season 3 was Grogu coming over to help the Mandalorians retake Mandalore on a second “Siege” because he sensed Din could be in danger, I would’ve loved it. It would’ve been like when Luke left training with Yoda in episode V because Han and Leia were gonna get ambushed by Vader, but he came back after to finish

[@kev30631]

They should have ended the series after season 2. This show is so awful now. It exits now only to tie up loose ends and direct the story toward the rey sequels.

[@phantom74201]

the bad batch finale really hurt this finale cuz it showed how great star wars can get for setup ending and emotional highs and lows

[@PurplePuffy1]

so your saying they should of had grogu get impaled by the dark saber or something like that instead of paz to make the ending better. That probably be a pretty great ending. Having Gideon walk up behind grogu and impale him with the dark saber and lifting him up in the air with the saber as all the Mandalorians watch in the background. People would be talking about that for weeks instead of complaining about the show.

[@phantom74201]

@@PurplePuffy1 yes

[@captainpep3]

@@PurplePuffy1 maybe, but grogu did have beskar armour underneath him. And idk how he would be lifted in the air with the saber instead of just being sliced

[@FlymanMS]

@@PurplePuffy1 are you ok

[@BugRib]

@iBurnFatChickz - If that actually happened, people would be talking about it for a lot more than a few weeks! There would be dozens of academic papers published every year about the sociological effect of that episode. 😂

[@ronhill8941]

For me, Season 3 was like going to a nice restaurant with friends, getting some delicious appetizers, ordering a steak, and the chef saying, "Ok, were closing now. You can leave." Like, wait where's my steak? I ate but I feel like didn't get fed!

[@DarkDodgers]

I get this analogy! BECAUSE THERE'S NO STAKES! They wimped OUT.

[@micahholt9895]

I like it, but I have to agree that it did felt rushed 😅

[@bubbachomp4674]

This season was Applebees

[@Shocknfunk]

More like ur appetizers was some ok bread rolls and didn’t want to get completely filled up on them to save room for the main course just to be told you won’t get it since they shut off the oven an hour ago but you still gotta pay for it.

[@mulliano420]

@@bubbachomp4674 brutal😂

[@jjstarrprod]

The one thing I don't quite understand with this season is that, on the paper, the core plot of Din going to Mandalore and his redemption in bathing in the living waters, followed by the encounter of his covert and Bo Katan's night owls competing/reuniting before retaking Mandalore against Gideon's Imperial secret base and his Force clones should have been more than enough content to cover an entire season, Game of thrones and House of the dragon style. Yet, we had to waste time on Nevarro, IG-11, pirates, Coruscant, Dr Pershing, Eliah Kane, Carson Teva, pirates again, and Lizzo, Jack Black, and Christopher Lloyd ! Just... why ?

[@RaikenXion]

Well that's what happens when your Showrunner has his work and overall story interfered with by Kathy Kennedy.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Booo was obviously supposed to be the villain, but "women can do nothing wrong" in w0ke Hollyweird, so the script was rewritten to shoehorn that loathsome sociopath into Din´s rightful place, sideline him in his own show and ruin his journey from the underdog to the king. S3 contradicts everything estabvlished in S1, 2 and even Boba series: - suddenly it is not enough to earn the darksaber in a fight, the Mandos are racist pieces of crap and refuse to follow Din because he is a foundling. Where is "It´s not a race, it´s a creed"? - Bo-Karen takes the darksaber semi-legitimately and everyone is OK with that. - The armorer kisses Boo´s ass, while in BOBF she blamed her for the fall of Mandalore. - Din selectively forgot how that loathsome sociopath treated him in S2, lied to him, used him for her personal gain and refused to save Grogu. She only joined the mission because she wanted the darksaber. - Din selectively forgot how that loathsome sociopath treated him in S3E1. - everyone selectively forgot how Boo wanted to kill her sister, terrorized civilians of Mandalore and got Satine killed. - Booo still manipulates Din and kept the mythosaur seeing a secret from him, Why? NOTHING IN THIS BUTCHERED SEASON MAKES SENSE. IT ONLY MAKES SENSE IF YOU REWRITE IT WITH BOOO AS THE VILLAIN. Then you end up with Din as the real hero who saw the mythosaur (Grogu would force-tame it, foreshadowed in Book of Boba), it gave him confidence to lead and wield the darksaber properly, ot kick the racist jerk´s ass, gather more Mandos and the finale fight would be Din´s Manods vs Boo´s remnants of her Mandos + hired mercs. Gideon would be in prison, not recycled like Palpy in the sequels.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

"I could care less if my theory is right" Agreed, I get tired of apologists for any property acting like "Fan Theories" are the bane of all story-telling Most people don't give a shit if their theories are correct, only if the actual story was fulfilling and satisfying.

[@mitchellhouser1572]

Yeah, the issue is a lot of theories are better and more interesting than what we get... tons of people have all these great ideas, why can't Disney with all its money do just as well as random fans? They should get a few fans to focus test a script before it's made and point out obvious problems. Like you said, it doesn't matter if my or anyone's theory is right as long as what we get is actually good.

[@rubydoo3307]

The sad part is, there are probably hardcore Star Wars fans who are screenwriters in Hollywood, but just know they'd be too honest to be let in, or don't want to work with Lucasfilm. We don't even know how many writers have been turned away for not fitting KK's agendas. It's honestly a sad thought.

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@mitchellhouser1572 Pissney could at least remain consistent with the trailers, promo pictures and previously established lore and plot points.

[@SolarisSaber]

I went back and watched the first episode of Mandalorian... and wow, what a quality drop the show has had since starting season 3. Idk if it was the cinematography, the writing, or the grounded nature of the show at the time. But the show has become worse sadly. Doesn't mean it's bad necessarily. Mandalorian was at its best when it was a small grounded show. I feel it has become worse because it became mainstream. They kept making the show bigger and bigger and then it climaxed at the season 2 finale (and it worked). However, instead of starting over with season 3 they were so scared to take away grogu and make the show small again they made everything meaningless by reverting the changes made in season 2 finale off screen from the Mandalorian. Season 3 felt aimless and goofy.

[@kev30631]

The people that are running it as aimless and goofy

[@jereloproduces9509]

For me, any show that doesn’t connect me emotionally (not necessarily sadness, just any emotions at all) to the things going on screen, has failed. There’s no entertainment value, which means there’s no value at all. This is what I felt with season 3, much like book of boba fett, and 65% (or more) of Kenobi

[@Mouse_Metal]

S3 was ruined because they tried to shoehorn the villain Bo-Karen as the her-o. Of course it broke the continuity and basic logic of the story.

[@bryantvargas5623]

I don’t think it’s worse that Kenobi or BOBF but the burnout is starting to show. People don’t get tired of seeing quality, well written, Star Wars. It’s the fact that we keep getting poorly executed projects over and over. Star Wars just feels like a dead corpse they keep digging up and parading around. They don’t know or care what so many of us loved about it. It doesn’t surprise me that people are tired of it and tuning out.

[@_eggers]

If your favorite restaurant hires all new people with no experience how many times will you put up with bad service & food poisoning before you stop going

[@carolbriscoe9337]

Think we have to accept that to Disney, SW & LucasFilms was just a cash cow. Anything produced would be accepted by fans, with very little effort on Disney's part. In fact read where Iger has ordered LucasFilms to concentrate only on SW, no more Willow or Raiders. Jon & Dave or George can't even expand LucasFilms" horizons!

[@NotDustyDrB]

It's not burnout, it's just badly executed. We're acting like Andor didn't just come out and have people praising it.

[@melcraig9855]

And Disney is doing the same to Marvel and its fans too ☹️

[@Mouse_Metal]

It is much worse. The main problem with Kenobi and BOBF is the execution, not the core of the plot. Mando S3 sh**s all over everything established in previous seasons and Boba show and it is painfully obvious why. Booo was obviously supposed to be the villain, but "women can do nothing wrong" in w0ke Hollyweird, so the script was rewritten to shoehorn that loathsome sociopath into Din´s rightful place, sideline him in his own show and ruin his journey from the underdog to the king. S3 contradicts everything established in S1, 2 and even Boba series: - suddenly it is not enough to earn the darksaber in a fight, the Mandos are racist pieces of crap and refuse to follow Din because he is a foundling. Where is "It´s not a race, it´s a creed"? - Bo-Karen takes the darksaber semi-legitimately and everyone is OK with that. - The armorer kisses Boo´s ass, while in BOBF she blamed her for the fall of Mandalore. - Din selectively forgot how that loathsome sociopath treated him in S2, lied to him, used him for her personal gain and refused to save Grogu. She only joined the mission because she wanted the darksaber. - Din selectively forgot how that loathsome sociopath treated him in S3E1. - everyone selectively forgot how Boo wanted to kill her sister, terrorized civilians of Mandalore and got Satine killed. - Booo still manipulates Din and kept the mythosaur seeing a secret from him, Why? NOTHING IN THIS BUTCHERED SEASON MAKES SENSE. IT ONLY MAKES SENSE IF YOU REWRITE IT WITH BOOO AS THE VILLAIN. Then you end up with Din as the real hero who saw the mythosaur (Grogu would force-tame it, foreshadowed in Book of Boba), it gave him confidence to lead and wield the darksaber properly, ot kick the racist jerk´s ass, gather more Mandos and the finale fight would be Din´s Manods vs Boo´s remnants of her Mandos + hired mercs. Gideon would be in prison, not recycled like Palpy in the sequels.

[@14bface]

I rewatched season 1 and 2 multiple times. I don’t see that being the case with season 3. I didn’t hate it but it sure felt like the studio was impacting the direction of this season

[@Rakshiir]

Yeah that was my guess as well. It feels like while they used Grogu for merch and stuff, that they kept out of the story for the most part. Maybe my feeling is wrong but it really feels like someone felt this show is doing so well they need to insert more. Similar to Bobf and Kenobi there are similar tendencies in here that I didn't see earlier that made me feel that way.

[@DoraKage]

Anyone else curious how Gideon's Iron Man knock off suit can crush a dense object like the Dark Saber WITHOUT crushing every bone in Bo Katan's hand? 🤔

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Seriously

[@carolbriscoe9337]

You're not supposed to notice & question little things like that. Don't you know, we are still gullible children to the producers.

[@ryandodrill6904]

Don’t ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product.

[@kev30631]

Could care less

[@markmathisen3908]

​@@ryandodrill6904 I prefer to question every stupid thing they do, never consume current product, and laugh when the next product fails. 😂

[@_eggers]

Something obviously changed behind the scenes between season 2 & Boba Fett. The drop in quality was stark. Whoever took over during that time should be embarrassed

[@kev30631]

The red elite guards didn't help either. It looks like they were trying to use a rake to get a squirrel 🐿️ out of a garage I that last scene with grogu. The dumbest thing I ever saw

[@rubydoo3307]

My argument is: you can only blame the writers and directors of the specific shows, which is pretty much Jon Favreau at this point. Regardless of what happened with executives/studio interference, he took the money, and it's millions of dollars. No one forced him to be credited as writer either, no one forced him to stick around. Its harsh, but if you truly love something, you wouldn't let the quality decline.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Booo was obviously supposed to be the villain, but "women can do nothing wrong" in w0ke Hollyweird, so the script was rewritten to shoehorn that loathsome sociopath into Din´s rightful place, sideline him in his own show and ruin his journey from the underdog to the king. S3 contradicts everything estabvlished in S1, 2 and even Boba series: - suddenly it is not enough to earn the darksaber in a fight, the Mandos are racist pieces of crap and refuse to follow Din because he is a foundling. Where is "It´s not a race, it´s a creed"? - Bo-Karen takes the darksaber semi-legitimately and everyone is OK with that. - The armorer kisses Boo´s ass, while in BOBF she blamed her for the fall of Mandalore. - Din selectively forgot how that loathsome sociopath treated him in S2, lied to him, used him for her personal gain and refused to save Grogu. She only joined the mission because she wanted the darksaber. - Din selectively forgot how that loathsome sociopath treated him in S3E1. - everyone selectively forgot how Boo wanted to kill her sister, terrorized civilians of Mandalore and got Satine killed. - Booo still manipulates Din and kept the mythosaur seeing a secret from him, but she is a her-o, don´t question her "morals". NOTHING IN THIS BUTCHERED SEASON MAKES SENSE. IT ONLY MAKES SENSE IF YOU REWRITE IT WITH BOOO AS THE VILLAIN. Then you end up with Din as the real hero who saw the mythosaur (Grogu would force-tame it, foreshadowed in Book of Boba), it gave him confidence to lead and wield the darksaber properly, to kick the racist jerk´s ass, gather more Mandos and the finale fight would be Din´s Manods vs Boo´s remnants of her Mandos + hired mercs. Gideon would be in prison, not recycled like Palpy in the sequels.

[@IIKnucklesII]

Paz's last "This is The Way" was the only thing that made me feel excited about this season.

[@SiriuslyBlack7]

Grogu could've stayed off screen with Luke (instead of JF having to tell us that it had been 2 years) until the last episode In episode 6, it felt like the little bit of progress that his story arc was gaining was suddenly undone,reverting him back into nothing more than a cooing plushie baby doll for Jack and Lizzo..Before that it seemed like he was slowly maturing.

[@martind.5257]

He said he eas there "somewhere between zero and 2 years." 🤡 What the actual ....

[@gulinp1]

Grogu sells toys. And merch > story in Disney world.

[@SiriuslyBlack7]

@@gulinp1 that's it right there!

[@MikeSidious]

The whole point of S1 & S2 was to reunite Grogu with his "people". After that was achieved (with the amazing Luke Skywalker cameo) and a tearful farewell, it was instantly undone (in TBOBF) and in such a hamfisted way? This whole thing is beginning to remind me of the haphazard nature of the sequel trilogy.

[@LSB44446]

Season 3 was definitely better than BoBF and Kenobi, but the 2 Mando episodes of BoBF were far better than all of Mando Season 3. Mando being sidelined in his own show, the wasted potential of him using the Darksaber, Grogu being brought back too early. It all felt wasted, as well as the issue of Gideon just waiting outside the door as Mando and Grogu destroyed his clones. And the Coruscant episode was a waste of time

[@MasterTangerines]

Can't imagine anyone saying Kenobi or Boba Fett was better than Mandalorian season 3. The new season was unfocused, but those other shows were like poorly made fan films for most of their episodes.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

100% mando s3 was poorly executed but the story was good. Kenobi and BoBF lacked a compelling narrative. Why was Boba so attached to Tatooine enough so to make it his life's work. He wanted a family or tribe, sure, but how the random citizens of Mos Eisley met that need was unclear. Kenobi had bad writing and bad pacing. There were good episodes but overall they tried to do too much.

[@GP.Records]

So was this crap. I enjoyed Book more than this Season and I HATED Book. Season 2 of Mando set a standard that Season 3 failed horribly to meet.

[@MasterTangerines]

@@GP.Records The only episode in the new Mando season that dropped to as low of a point as the other shows is the one set on cameo planet.

[@joeandrew8752]

I’d say I enjoyed kenobi a little more cause of that Vader scene. That’s about it.

[@issiahsilva]

I enjoyed Kenobi and Boba Fett more than this S3 of Mandalorian

[@vnom84]

Taking back Mandalore should’ve been the finale of the show. Probably something that should’ve happened in the Mandoverse movie as a send off to Din and Grogus journey.

[@thomaslacornette1282]

Yes season 3 could have ended on uniting all mandalorians clans (thx to Mythosaur) and set Boba as a true Mandalorian, bringing back Gideon as main antagonist was also mega boring and mega easy as good as Gian Carlo esposity is. It would have been more fun if Din Djarin was force to unite the clans because he discovered mythosaur... The season 3 could have been a trip trough galaxy discovering all mandalorians clans and lore deeper. They have set up Din Djarin about soemone who care for others, his people, for Mandalore and even for abandonned kid, they could have make Bo Katan make him realize is the perfect person to unite everyone and reconquer mandalore.

[@MrJlin1982]

I'm very glad they did, vnon84

[@kev30631]

Season 2 should have been the final to the series

[@MrJlin1982]

Problem is that some don't watch all canon TV-shows and movies, Star Wars related. If you didn't saw Clone Wars and Rebels before this series or BOBF you are lost a lot storywise. People should stop thinking that animation is just for kids. Star Wars animation is not!

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@thomaslacornette1282 Booo was supposed to be the villain, no need to recycle Gideon. But "women can do nothing wrong" in w0ke Hollyweird, so the script was rewritten to shoehorn that loathsome sociopath into Din´s rightful place, sideline him in his own show and ruin his journey from the underdog to the king. S3 contradicts everything established in S1, 2 and even Boba series: - suddenly it is not enough to earn the darksaber in a fight, the Mandos are racist pieces of crap and refuse to follow Din because he is a foundling. Where is "It´s not a race, it´s a creed"? - Bo-Karen takes the darksaber semi-legitimately and everyone is OK with that. - The armorer kisses Boo´s ass, while in BOBF she blamed her for the fall of Mandalore. - Din selectively forgot how that loathsome sociopath treated him in S2, lied to him, used him for her personal gain and refused to save Grogu. She only joined the mission because she wanted the darksaber. - Din selectively forgot how that loathsome sociopath treated him in S3E1. - everyone selectively forgot how Boo wanted to kill her sister, terrorized civilians of Mandalore and got Satine killed. - Booo still manipulates Din and kept the mythosaur seeing a secret from him, Why? NOTHING IN THIS BUTCHERED SEASON MAKES SENSE. IT ONLY MAKES SENSE IF YOU REWRITE IT WITH BOOO AS THE VILLAIN. Then you end up with Din as the real hero who saw the mythosaur (Grogu would force-tame it, foreshadowed in Book of Boba), it gave him confidence to lead and wield the darksaber properly, ot kick the racist jerk´s ass, gather more Mandos and the finale fight would be Din´s Manods vs Boo´s remnants of her Mandos + hired mercs. Gideon would be in prison, not recycled like Palpy in the sequels.

[@QuestionMan]

I think all the beats (like the Grogu adoption thing) got lost in the edit. I genuinely believe the original plan for this season got torpedoed by studio interference and the attempts to insert, rearrange episodes and then close the story gaps is what created slop in the narrative and killed the emotional weight. (and it started in BoBoba)

[@NotDustyDrB]

That's really what I think too. Too many cooks in the kitchen, and one of those cooks was execs who were afraid people would abandon the show if Grogu weren't ever-present.

[@LizardOfOz]

The Battle for Mandalore didn't have the scope you'd expect from "The Battle for Mandalore". You'd want to see an army against an army, not just a few dozen troopers on each side. It felt more like two small factions fighting over an insignificant rock, rather than the united remnants of a multi-million nation fighting the loyalists of a fallen regime which had control over the entire galaxy over an important system with valuable resources. While the Original Trilogy was too constrained to show a full-scale army battle, it was solved by the time the Prequels and the Clone Wars came out. You could make a whole season of "Book of Bo-Katan" dedicated to just her assembling a proper army. We could watch her travel to various tribes, recruit them in various ways, and solve the inner fighting of this mixed society made of people with different cultures within the overarching Mandalorian culture. But instead, it took only 2 episodes from "it's time to assemble an army" to "we took back Mandalore in a single fight".

[@ryandodrill6904]

In terms of armies battling I think the OT, specifically the battle of Endor is a good comparison. You can tell especially in space that at Endor there are two serious navies fighting each other. Even on the ground we see enough different locations to understand this is a massive battlefield. Yet in Mando we see a light cruiser, a handful of ties, and a few dozen people on each side. 40 year old technology and filmmaking produced a more convincing battle than what we got in Mando.

[@Mouse_Metal]

That´s why Boooo was suposed to be the villain. It only makes sense for Mandos to fight over that insignificant glassed rock because it used to be their homeworld. Din wielding the darksaber like a pro after the encounter with they mythosaur convinced him he´s the chosen one leading the Mandos against Booo who is the villain of S3 and would get finally killed. By the darksaber of course because poetry.

[@chasehedges6775]

Mando S3 was a disaster. Kenobi and Boba Fett didn’t help. Thank goodness for Andor tho

[@captaindc3889]

@Chosen One So Season 3 was sacrificed for Season 4 to go back to formula

[@lembitmoislane.]

@Chosen One What are you talking about? You are just using memory berries. Episode 3’s Republic thing added nothing to the plot. There is no New Republic hunting down Imperials, etc.

[@adamwillis908]

@@lembitmoislane. That's literally the setup for season 4 lol

[@dazrienhaizor8624]

I know it and Bad Batch are the only light in a sea of mediocrity

[@chasehedges6775]

@@dazrienhaizor8624 Didn’t watch Bad Batch 2. That looked mediocre

[@Frosenborg]

A tv show that has 45 min. episodes, 20+ episodes per season, it's ok and understandable if some of the episodes are not great. But with these six-eight episode seasons you do expect every episode to be great, quality over quantity.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Agreed

[@Mouse_Metal]

Shoehorning Booo as a her-o like a square peg into a round hole ruined this season. Imagine the same episodes without her and they flew much smoother and there are no absurdities. No need to recycle Gideon if she´s the main villain. There would be the most poetic death in SW when that sociopath would finally die by the darksaber she wanted so much... I´m rewriting the abomination of S3 right now and it only highlights how Boo was hammered into the place where she wasn´t supposed to be originally.

[@JGr2000]

Mando season 3 was disappointing, but worse than Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi? God no

[@bubbachomp4674]

Andor 1 > Mando 1 & 2 > Mando 3 > Kenobi > BoB

[@unit900000]

@@bubbachomp4674 Andor 🐐🐐🐐

[@rafikshaheed4271]

At least Mandalorian Season 3 has some aspects in it that imply that a bigger story is in play. Bringing together the two tribes and taking back the planet, as well the political intrigue of Elia Kane going against the New Republic from the inside could be done really well. There could be themes of Identity, Community, and Prejudice expressed. The issue was in its execution. Kenobi in my opinion suffered from having a uninteresting story.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

I think whatever mercy people had for those worse shows has just been depleted

[@bubbachomp4674]

People can’t be supporting these low quality projects. All you’re doing is enabling them to keep pumping more shit.

[@tatu4250]

Djarin (still feels weird calling him that) could have adopted Paz's and trained him with Grogu. That would have been an emotional end and a nod to the mutual respect they developed for each other.

[@peytonbroce9811]

Yes! I hadn’t thought of that, but that would have been a choice with actual emotional weight!

[@Tekaneable]

No I'd rather if Axe Woves took care of Ragnar. It wouls how that not just Din but other Mandos are over their division.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Nice detail, can I include it into my rewriting of S3 into it´s original form with Din as the king and Booo as the villain? EDIT: Sorry, forget about it. I´m not killing off Paz in the first place. The last two episodes are a one episode about a final battle: Din´s Mandos vs. Booo´s hired mercs and a few of delusional sheep who still remained on her side.

[@abthedragon4921]

1:10 Tbf one thing I notice is that a significantly greater amount of people voted in the Season 2 Poll (95K) than the Season 3 Poll (18K). I know the overall results probably wouldn't change much if more people voted in the season 3 poll but I think the amount of people voting has an effect.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Nobody cares about Space Karen Show.

[@AndreNitroX]

All I wanted was them to explore the mandalorian culture onscreen and even that they struggled with!

[@AltairZielite]

He is sitting home alone with his helmet on. I mean come on, they couldn't get the voice actor to stand in for the stunt double for a few seconds for the ending shot?

[@stevebreedlove9760]

100% that ending, all other things remaining the same, would have been stronger if we saw mando take his helmet off and kick up his feet before the camera pans out to grogu playing with the frog.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Because Kennedy and Furloni fu*ked up Din´s story, Pascal was angry (he is a movie nerd, he knows what a good storytelling is, and it is not sidelining the main character to make the villain look good) and KK took revenge on him and decided he will not remove his helmet at all, which means he´s paid as a voice actor, not as an actor. So his salary is lower for S3. There was some info about 2 years ago Pedro will remove his helmet more often in S3. There was an interview where Pedro talked about it. It was on KZbin somewhere. That would make sense if his story from the underdog to the ruler was finished as originally planned. It was all supposed to lead to the clans uniting with one basic creed for all of them. So getting rid of the helmet rule would make sense, and who else would be the one to establish it than Din? He met Mandos from other clan and Boba. They sidelined him and put Booo on his rightful and earned place as someone who "walked both worlds". OMG! Din "walked both worlds" too, and some more. He was the one who accepted Boba as worthy of his armor, not Booo. She has not apologized yet. Fu*k that loathsome sociopath and fu*k Suckhoff, the new Cheese Larson!

[@Shadowpack95]

We also see in Andor that Lucasfilm can give us extremely detailed plots with complicated and compelling characters, that level of writing was left out from Mando Season 3, its like getting Steak from a 5-star streak house to getting a Sirloin from a chain restaurant, both might be good but one is going to be leagues better. Edit: Nice to appear in the comments again

[@WhoWouldWantThisName]

My guess is that Gilroy was not interfered with by the company execs. I think S2 may be significantly different, and not in a good way. KK and company just can't keep their kiss of death off of these shows.

[@BarefootPeasant]

It's amazing how good Disney is at taking stuff I like and turning it into stuff I don't like. Stay the hell away from my fridge and my family, Disney!

[@chasehedges6775]

👍👍👍👍

[@achaudhari101]

@Barefoot Peasant What family? You’re making excuses to overhate the show and add some conspiracy to try and act like the show sucks all of a sudden.

[@BarefootPeasant]

@@achaudhari101 Sorry bud, I'm not relating to anything you just said. Have a nice day!

[@achaudhari101]

@@BarefootPeasant No “Nice day” stuff. Why does your family have to do with Mandalorian?

[@dankan9448]

@@achaudhari101 I don’t think you understand his joke lol

[@dazrienhaizor8624]

I’m suprised it wasn’t scored way lower.

[@achaudhari101]

If it was I think an Order 66 is needed.

[@kev30631]

The whole franchise needs to be closed down and sold

[@dmccaffreydm]

Lets be honest Kenobi was by far the bigger attrocity here. Can't blame Obi Wan for not wanting to land the final blow on Anakin in RotS when he thought he was going to die anyway (although it might have been the kinder thing to do rather than let him burn to death). To walk away and let Vader live when he knew what he had done in the past, what he was capable of doing in the future, and that he might have intel that Leia is worth investigating is just ridiculous beyond belief. Exact same can be said for Reeva. No amount of stupidity from Mando could come close to the complete destruction of Obi Wan's character in my eyes. I simply don't acknowledge it and keep my own head canon.

[@akw141]

Kenobi was a deliberate corruption of original canon. The long list of stupid choices there are almost rage inducing. Bail endangering his whole family calling a Jedi in hiding, Ben abandoning Luke completely (almost got him killed, too), Leia even being in this story when Bail should have plenty of other, better options. Reva's story and motivations are stupid, but sadly she's actually the only remotely interesting part - which is really not saying anything. It sucks because I like Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen. If Kenobi had been a small scale thing, Ben suffering flash backs and PTSD with at most a run in with Sand People to protect Luke and come to terms with his past, I think that would have been perfectly fine. As it is I have to at least try to write off the whole thing as a death stick hallucination, because the only other option would be trying to retcon the original six movies and that's just not going to happen.

[@RMNarratives]

Kenobi is a LEGACY character. You also had arguably the best villian ever created for cinema in Darth Vader as part of it (no matter how bad some people may think it was - I thought it had strong moments but a lot of it was weak) But it also made it a lot more appealing to fans. Perhaps Mando season 3 was affected by Star Wars fatigue but Andor's quality plus the promise of the season 3 of Mando may have got a lot of us excited (& rightfully so) I think it was just a case of some bad writing & spreading the story out too thin - they could have mined that Mandalorian exploration over several episodes & focused on what we love about the show - the interplay between father & son. The Mandalorian feels like a show that had stories that needed to be told over twelve episodes instead of eight.

[@hummushero9428]

That’s the thing Jon already said that he wanted twelve episodes for the season, but Disney wanted it to stay at the established standard of eight. I assume so that it could be done sooner and with less of a budget.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

@@hummushero9428 source?

[@hummushero9428]

@@Hello-bi1pm i watch the Channel Called “Mike Zeroh” he reports in all the behind the scenes stuff. He talked about it like maybe a week ago I think.

[@bk_______]

I dont belive in Star Wars fatigue. What i think it is, is people are tired of being served sub par stories and bland shows. People dont get tired of good things, they get tired of being repeatedly let down.

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@hummushero9428 Zeroh is a clickbaiter and liar.

[@Alexh_]

There’s always comments about how fans have expectations too high and I’m genuinely curious like what is these peoples bar of a show being bad? Like legitimate amateur work? I know people have different tastes in media but this season just felt low effort in almost every department. It doesn’t need to be Andor level every show but this can’t be acceptable for a multi billion dollar company that can and have shown they can absolutely do better

[@Mouse_Metal]

It was Women Can Do Nothign Wrong: The Series. All plotholes and shi****g on previous established lore is there only because they decided to change the main villain into the main her-o.

[@Hanakin-Sidewalker]

The thing is, we've never SEEN an adoption in Star Wars before, and as such, are made to assume that such a thing doesn't exist in any official capacity. To Grogu's adoption be an ending capstone without forewarning causes more confusion than satisfaction.

[@nelsonparsifalcantebury5083]

The ranking is pretty good. It deserves dead last because nobody cares and Favreau played ball with Disney this season. Season 2 was the end, and BOBF was the end of Star Wars for me.

[@Travis_Hackney]

The official adoption was for all the mandalorians in attendance, so that djarin wouldn’t ever have to say again: “…he’s…ward, proceed…”. Everyone would just know now: Djarin is Grogu’s dad

[@princeimrahil6557]

Why isn't anyone talking about the real reason this finale was awful? It finally, definitively tied these shows into the sequal trilogy with ""project necromancer"". No cool reveal ahead with Thrawn at the head of a clone army, just the inevitable Trainwreck of Force Awakens. A lot of people had higher hopes than that

[@pepe2493]

I couldn't agree more, it's unbelievable that they're are doubling down on "somehow Palpatine returned" out of all things

[@akw141]

I agree. The only way you can make the sequels, and especially TROS, palatable is if you reveal that the whole thing was an overbudgeted SNL skit. Every so often you can have JJ come on stage and say F you, Rian! How anyone takes that movie seriously is beyond me. The Last Jedi was bad, and an exercise in pretentious arrogance, but at least there were hints and shadows of ideas that someone not obsessed with carving their initials in someone else's art might have worked with. TROS is just a farce and JJ being bitter and vindictive. Persisting in keeping the sequel timeline canon is just making the Star Wars universe a self-parody. If you're going to do that it should at least be funnier.

[@jdstudios1912]

Season 3 felt like a big waste of time, I also felt like the entire season was written assuming I'm an idiot and thinking I constantly need to have everything explained instead of letting me see whats going on instead

[@Mouse_Metal]

It was written to shoehorn Boo as the her-o, while she was clearly supposed to be the villain, but KK and Furloni can´t have a woman and a pet character as the villain. SEASON 3 ONLY MAKES SENSE IF YOU REWRITE IT WITH BOOO AS THE VILLAIN. Then you end up with Din as the real hero who saw the mythosaur (Grogu would force-tame it, foreshadowed in Book of Boba), it gave him confidence to lead and wield the darksaber properly, to kick the racist jerk´s ass, gather more Mandos and the finale fight would be Din´s Manods vs Boo´s remnants of her Mandos + hired mercs. Gideon would be in prison, not recycled like Palpy in the sequels.

[@JD.Martin]

The drop in fan score makes sense if you're paying attention to the corporate side of Lucasfilm.

[@dadetomric]

That we had to wait two years for the quality of the show we got is unacceptable. With Disney making us wait two years for the show to return…… then this season should have been one of the best seasons of the Mandolorian.

[@achaudhari101]

@@dadetomric That’s a BS excuse as no other fandom complains about delays.

[@dadetomric]

@@achaudhari101 … This season was mediocre at best. So we’re to believe that after a two year absence. This is the best story that Lucasfilm could come up with for the Mandolorian.

[@achaudhari101]

@@dadetomric And you’re proving my point that Star Wars is the only franchise that has to have every flaw no matter how small be treated as big problem whereas everything else gets a pass. It makes as much sense as now thinking Favreau and Filoni are the problem all of a sudden.

[@ImTheReverse]

@@achaudhari101Bad quality gets criticized. That isn’t a Star Wars-exclusive thing, wtf are you talking about? Quit shilling, Alex

[@sebastienmccarthy1483]

I think Season 3 of the Mandalorian is a perfect example of the phrase “the whole is less than the sum of its parts. There were quite a few episodes I really enjoyed, but as a whole, it just didn’t really go anywhere.

[@NoirNameless]

I put the, “Ah Star Wars isn’t always good, so let’s not expect it to always be good” in the same vein as “You guys expect everything to be Endgame” after a bad movie or show releases that lets people down. Like, we can’t even expect things to be at least good anymore without getting that weird excuse everytime. There’s no reason Star Wars should be as low as it is right now being owned by a billion dollar conglomerate that can whoever they want to work on this IP. So sad to hear that people are just ok with mediocrity from the best lore.

[@unstrungbeauty7208]

Having some bad content is fine as long as you learn from your mistakes and improve your ability to write a show, but unfortunately it seems like Disney hasn't learned anything at all.

[@pineapplepapercrafts]

To me it feels like the story for mandalorian was high jacked by rangers of the new republic not becoming a thing. They wanted to mix all these story lines and they didn't do it cohesively. I think the Disney higher ups had more of a hand than they should have. 😂 I definitely enjoyed the season. But it felt a little disjointed.

[@kev30631]

This material is played out. This was a nostalgia bait to win fans back. It was soul-less marketing strategy. They now can direct it back to the entire plan they wanted anyway. The whole thing sucks

[@ChrisPTenders]

I think Boba had a clear goal driving that series, and the frustration with that was how utterly it failed to do anything with such a great premise. It feels like the conclusion we got was plausible, but they skipped a ton of steps. With Obi, the story was great, but there was an agitating, messy, and nonsensical subplot wrestling our attention away from the main plot. It feels like they had a good idea of what to do, but something they were forced to include got in the way. With Mando Season 3 it feels like Din is being sidelined for Bo-Katan, but Bo's character journey feels like a botched premise because every set of circumstances they faced felt like it materialized out of nowhere, with no set up, and was just as quickly resolved. It's a simple lack of set up and pay off structuring, so this season felt very made up as it went along.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Mando S3 was butchered when some geniuses in Kennedyfilm decided to shoehorn that loathsome sociopath as a her-o insted the villain she is and always will be. Even the trailers and the very first episode of S3 treat her like a villain. Then the rewrites started and it all went to poodoo...

[@MikeImprixis]

The problem is that Star Wars is no longer a premier brand. The audience has been trained to accept lackluster content. Disney buys up properties, dilutes them of what made them special, and just continuously creates bland content using very little effort. I did see a lot of effort on the part of Jon Faverau to try and save this season considering all the outside forces that were probably working against him and his initial plans. It was a clunky season and he probably knew that. But he managed to give us a decent season. The problem really comes down to upper management not caring about a decent product. We can demand better, sure, but Disney really doesn't care. All this has taught me to be more judicious about what I watch and not pay attention to what franchise it's from. Right now, I'm on board for Andor and will wait before watching Ahsoka. Disney has burned its fans way too often and shows no signs of letting up.

[@KikBlava]

I think Andor spoiled me. It's been the only new Star Wars show in my opinion that hasn't sucked.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

Agree.

[@Wyr_111]

100% I loved Andor

[@MiraBoo]

Kenobi was a huge disappointment, while Boba Fett… Boba Fett is the reason I haven’t yet watched Mando S3. I’m honestly not sure if I’m ever going to get around to it either. There were just way, way too many glaring issues with Boba’s show… and I couldn’t stand that they reunited Grogu with Din so quickly, completely squandering the story’s potential. Edited to add that Din ALREADY adopted Grogu. When he got his “Clan Mudhorn” sigil, it was a symbolic representation of him adopting Grogu. It didn’t need to be further “formalized.” Like, wtfudge?! Why add an additional adoption scene??? It serves no purpose!

[@peregrine9745]

Thank you for the additional comment, it felt like the writers forgot this point - "Now you are a clan of two". Having this in the past made the adoption scene feel really off.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Bo-Karen is the real problem, the previous plot and lore was erased to put her into the spotlight, while she was supposed to be the villain.

[@mikes4865]

I'm old enough to have seen the very first Star Wars movie. There is one thing I've noticed as time passes; that each new generation of fans has their own expectations and if they aren't met then they are disappointed. The funny thing about Star Wars is that its really not good science fiction but more a classic 50's western movie set in space. The problem is that as the universe gets filled in, what fans imagine turns out to be something completely different from their ideas. The writing for the first 3 movies is not very good. Its action packed and funny at times but for character depth, it's just average. Alec Guinness is noted for his statements about how he felt about the movies. Where I think that fans get disappointed is that there is such a great wealth of third party stories out there that expectations have been raised when the actual quality of movie writing is not there.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

Exactly. Those movies were fun but not all that great in terms of script. Star wars excels as a setting. Sometimes you get great stories, sometimes you dont. But world building is a huge part of what Star Wars is. For christs sake, they pulled all sorts of campy costumes for the cantina scene in ANH. It was fans and novels and comics and games that fleshed out the stories of background objects chosen not for detailed motivations but simply to populate this world.

[@RemofRenaissance]

Thanks for this. Considering we only had 8 episodes I think they could have made a really long episodes 1 & 2 and ported over those Mando episodes in Book of Boba over to season 3. For me I acknowledge season 3 was a big drop off but I had enough moments to appreciate after a hard days work and would rate as a 3/5…l. I think Katee was very good also

[@Mouse_Metal]

With rewrites of S3 into a logical story which doesn´t ruin previous lore and plot point and finishes Din´s journey as it was originally planned by Favreau, I have a concept for 6 episodes. The Mando-centric episodes in Book of Boba + the final episode were probably originally planned as the first episodes of S3. Grogu taming the rancor foreshadowed taming of the mythosaur for Din. That would be 9 episodes for S3. I kicked out the dead weight which was the Pershing and ex-Imp woman stuff, Gideon is in prison and Bo-Karen is the main villain.

[@RemofRenaissance]

@@Mouse_Metal 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@UCbXsBr-nJUqhcnC5YzCa3VQ]

I totally agree with you saying “why shouldn’t we have high expectations?” because that’s exactly right. Disney is the biggest entertainment company in the world, they have one of if not the biggest IP in the world and one of the the biggest fan bases to match. They needed to deliver this season and the truth is they didn’t. What we got were 3 episodes that were all 3.5 stars and the rest was a waste of time. I was so disappointed after waiting almost 3 years for this show to come back.

[@Alpha3Viking]

Little thing that irked me this episode, Imperial Commandos didn’t snap to attention as Gideon walked past them and the laser gates. I find your lack of basic military discipline disturbing Disney.

[@esharp86]

I voted 1, because I couldn’t get through it. Maybe because the last thing I watched was andor, so that inflated my expectations of Star Wars entertainment a bit? It’s the first time I haven’t finished a d+ Star Wars show. Maybe it’s an unfair rating bc it picks up later? Didn’t really sound like it from the reviews.. I think because it had no overarching plot it really felt like I was watching scraps, and since I feel no connection to the characters anyway (that’s always been and issue for me with mando… he’s so flat.) it felt like there was just nothing there. Eta: I feel like a happy ending for din and grogu would have been super impactful if din actually walked away from his cult. Like imagine the last shot was over din’s shoulder as he watches grogu playing, and he takes off his helmet, and sets it down beside him.

[@achaudhari101]

It does pick up a bit in terms of what’s to come next after this season so it’s not like they don’t have something else for Din to do.

[@VespoLiveGaming]

I think season 3 got to the retaking of mandalore too fast. Thst dhouldve been season 4. This season should have focused on redemption arcs... Din earning his redemption back into the way, Bo-Katan coming to grips with losing everything an learning to respect the Children of the Watch, Paz going from Antagonist to a supportive father, Axe and the former night owls going from mercenaries to patriots again and putting aside their differences... and most importantly, Grogu realizing his place is with Din and not Luke... and have them all come together in the end and discover that Moff Gideon is back and has a secret base on Mandalore... setting up the big conflict next season.

[@ThePocket4572]

Yeah, I certainly didn’t dislike this season, however I think they really missed an opportunity to use Gideons character. They have Giancarlo Esposito who owns that villain role, but as you said it felt shallow and that’s disappointing. I think ideally I was expecting a climax to his character after a season full of him providing the protagonists consequences. To then have the same happy ending only to foreshadow Thrawn. I think it’s still going in that direction so I’m still optimistic.

[@caenpegasus3786]

As a George Lucas StarWars fan "The Mandalorian" live action tv series S1&2 were exciting to see. Unfortunately Disney drama crap tarnished the SW World...AGAIN. S3 was a safe "Happy Ending" just in case, even sticking it with the closing cartoon bullet narrowing in on Grogu....."thats all folks" Including Din Djarin/Grogu in their cute cabin with a frog pond, IG-11 rebuilt to its fullest garb marshalling Nevarro, Bo-Katon reclaiming her planet w/o welding the broken Dark Saber, Mandalorians uniting to rebuild Mandalore w underground gardens, Gideon (bad guy) & his clones possibly dead and the Mythosaur still alive in the depths of Mandalor living waters. Not going to expect S4+ to actually come to fruition especially with the hype pushing Felonis canon characters in "Ahsoka" etc.

[@Malt0d3xtr1n]

These scores don't happen in a vacuum. I think each subsequent disappointment just drives down the overall score and mood towards each Star Wars project.

[@DannsProductions]

As long as Star Wars is on Disney Plus, it will never succeed in quality.

[@achaudhari101]

@@DannsProductions Andor begs to differ.

[@DannsProductions]

@@achaudhari101 still… ANDOR won’t fix everything

[@achaudhari101]

@@DannsProductions And thinking it will be garbage is the better outcome that fans need to accept? Give me a break with that nonsense.

[@DannsProductions]

@@achaudhari101 I never said that lol where did I say that?

[@im_nic]

I dont know, Obi-Wan kept getting worse the more I thought about it ended. Mando season 3 is not getting worse the finishing it.

[@choreomaniac]

I think it could be a bit of regression. They undid several things like Grogu going away for training and Din getting the Darksaber.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Boo was obviously suposed to be the villain, but that goes against current agenda, so all previous plot points and established lore had to be thrown away. It was supposed to be Din´s story from a "nobody" to the king. Not "a terrrorist and sisterslayer with extra steps did nothing wrong" pseudostory.

[@mikeywinn1764]

Hey Thor! What is your opinion on vapaad and mace windu? I dont remember if u ever talked about it in a video

[@anyaabusable9888]

"You can't expect every Star Wars to be good Star Wars." No, but it would be really great if MORE THAN 15% OF STAR WARS WAS GOOD STAR WARS!

[@ryandodrill6904]

There’s another thing very telling when the polls are shown side by side, the total votes. Season 2 had 95k votes to the 18k of season 3. Anecdotal perhaps but that really suggests a lot of people have just left Star Wars. That’s nearly a 75% drop. I don’t know if Mando has lost 75% of its audience but yikes!

[@a_agadir3964]

Mando gained audience actually, youtube polls dont represent that

[@stevebreedlove9760]

You point out something interesting about methodology. How soon after the other shows did they take a poll? How many participants? How many haters participated from one poll to the next? I am not a film critic, but I have studied film a little and had creative writing classes that included a unit on stage/screen plays. There are objective criteria we can use to assess these shows and Mando 3 is not the worst. It tried to do too much in too little time and was incoherent at times. The overarching story of this season was good. It just failed to build on the strengths of the story and instead railroaded us to a predetermined end point with little finesse in how to get there.

[@theonehitko]

I think we are all slowly losing our patience with Disney star was after a few mid at best live action series in a row(excluding andor) and it shows in the continually lower ratings by us the fans.

[@Shaxpear]

Only is 2023 can writers think that a 40-something year old man, adopting a 52 year old that identifies as a baby, is something for which we should demonstrate some emotional reaction when they proclaim it. How tone deaf and disconnected. Star Wars is a schizophrenic mess.

[@goldfishprime]

There was so many little things wrong with this season. Like the Armorer didn't get a reaction to her majordomo dying. Like come on. He was in the series since S1, no one said a thing about him dying?

[@NisGaarde]

'The Book Of Boba Fett' and 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' hurt Season 3 of 'The Mandalorian' in my opinion. Both shows were incredibly disappointing. They drained a lot energy from the franchise. The return of Grogu just made the story arc of both Grogu and Din feel kind of meaningless. Like nothing really mattered. And the end of Season 3 really cements that feeling. Retaining the status quo is just not a very exciting premis for storytelling. It's the opposite of epic. And Star Wars needs to feel epic.

[@matthewwheeler469]

This season was good in my opinion. Probably not as good as season two, but solid. And sorry, there's no way Kenobi beats this season. That show was much more of a mess than this lol.

[@richardsylvester4518]

Now it's just a competition of which below average showing the least below average 😒 This franchise is dead. I thought it was dead years ago, but it keeps dying over and over and gets worse everytime.

[@chasehedges6775]

👍👍👍

[@achaudhari101]

@Richard Sylvester So it’s not dead and you’re just saying it for attention.

[@achaudhari101]

@@chasehedges6775 Don’t give attention seekers validation.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

"I have died before" - Disney Grandpa Sheev Palpatine 🤣

[@FTChomp9980]

Star Wars is nothing but a Corporate Play it safe franchise now not taking any risks at all it is a dead franchise now Critical Drinker did a good video on it to. And there is a Disney Shill in the comments he will defend this Mega Corporation because all he does is consume.

[@chancellor2755]

Star Wars with its characters and worlds and established lore and philosophy is some of the most fertile story telling ground you could possibly come up with. It should be EASY for them to write within this universe. The difference between a show like The Mandalorian and Game of Thrones or just about any HBO production is light years better than anything we have yet to see from Disney. It doesn't even need to be on the same level its a very high bar, but at least handle it with care and put some effort into it. With as many people out there who were fans of SW growing up it should not have been so hard to find someone who has the right idea and vision to take this franchise to the next level. No care or time is spent to get it right, its missed opportunity after missed opportunity. Andor is the closest thing we have that should set an example to what all the other projects should be striving for.

[@darthrizzen9349]

Quite frankly, the whole "Star Wars is a dumb show for kids (and it's about time you outgrew it!)" stigma is something I've always felt acutely. And caused me to hide my interest in it for a *long* time. Mando S3 wasn't bad exactly. Just inferior to S1 and S2, lacking emotional payoff and real character progression. Also, most of the filler episodes in S1&2 actually served a purpose later on. Not so here. Maybe Grogu being "officially" adopted was supposed to be the "big" moment, and it was just a "so what?" moment.

[@supremelore_1533]

Had they had mandalorians constantly fighting each other in space only to be picked off by 'some imperial force' and to have Bo Katan name just TWO groups, the whole idea of Mandalorians uniting to save Mandalore could have been cleaned up so nicely. They did not commit to the idea enough, too much time fighting monsters, checking the atmosphere and bathing in waters. Btw Din's re-baptizing should have been done at the END when they got there.

[@vonglover7859]

I had to make my assessment of Din Djarins separate from my previous thoughts on season 3. I respectfully disagree with those who felt Din took a backseat in the show,in fact I'd say he made the most impact on the overall story than the prior seasons. He saved the Covert during Ragnar's first ceremony despite being labeled an apostate. On their way to the living waters,Din responded This is the Way after hearing how Bo's Father was killed,but in a way that expressed tremendous respect for a man he never knew. Honor,Loyalty,& Character is what Din displayed this entire season,it inspired Bo to fully embrace her heritage,face her demons,and rise to retake Mandalore one last time. Even Paz couldn't help but to respect Din's attributes before his untimely death. He showed a genuine respect & reverence to the Ugnauts in need of their help,& name dropping Kuiil was icing on the cake. He pleaded his case to the Covert to help save Navarro,the man is a true negotiator. Din Djarins skills as a pilot is nothing short of amazing,from my point of view,he rivals Anakin Skywalker & season 3 put his skills on full display.

[@Lonethil]

For me it was the pointless meandering side story in the middle of the season basically breaking my immersion in the story. Then further compounded by a seeming switch of main character as many others have mentioned. Oh and the engineer in me died a little watching the breaking of the lightsaber basically through someone’s hand without hurting them.. not to mention the spaceship crashing into the underground confined area and simply burning a little, I actually laughed. That said I enjoyed parts of it so it wasn’t all bad, just far from good and much worse than expected.

[@hummushero9428]

It’s typically easier to build storylines than to wrap them up with a pretty bow. This season was a culmination of the first three seasons, I think they should have focused on that rather than sidetracking like they did with the Dr. Pershing episode (even though that episode was good, it just didn’t fit). They tried too hard to cover all bases with the fans and it sort of backfired. That being said people I think are being over critical as usual and it wasn’t a terrible season in totality.

[@nurabsal0x018c]

Andor had an excellent story on its own even if you trim out the Star Wars branding.

[@deadlykitten1158]

I don’t feel this season was ranked unfairly, I think Kenobi and Book of Fett were ranked too highly due to featuring more recognized characters to a higher number of Star Wars fans.

[@arctic_shrew_87]

If season 4 doesn't do something good, I'll just forget season 3 exists and pretend Mendo ended with season 2

[@Wyr_111]

I'm already doing that lol

[@kev30631]

I already gave up on this show. Bo katan swoops in saves his life and sayes. Go ahead and go save your little buddy, little buddy. Then mandalorian gets up half slips and runs like a toddler to help grogu. No thank s

[@Mouse_Metal]

I´m writing my own S3 with Din as the uniter and Mand´alor and Boo as the villain. I´m keeping everything which makes sense in S3 to PROVE there was inner logic and consistence in the original script, but then agenda was shoehorned into it and ruined Favreau´s original plan. I´m also throwing in some characters who are deliberately ignored by Dissney and we all know why, like Satine (she´s not resurrected, don´t worry :D) and Korkie to bring Boo´s atrocities into the light and give justice to those forgoten characters and all Boo´s victims once and for all.

[@Wyr_111]

@@Mouse_Metal sounds pretty good, best of luck to you.

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@Wyr_111 Thanks. I´m in the mines right now and the absence of Space Karen already improves the pacing because you don´t have to go through the same path twice with two different characters, and Grogu doesn´t have to fly to Kalevala on his own. And Mandalore looks more like post-apo meets Salvador Dalí´s paintings because it´s all melted and twisted into weird shapes.

[@zacharyfett2491]

What season 3 needed was an Endor type battle scene (minus the Ewoks of course). The fight to retake Mandalore should have included an epic air battle as well as the battle within the Imperial base. The short runtime and all the other storyline threads really hurt season 3.

[@MichaelDeNicola]

Hold up there's no way this season was worse than Boba Fett or Obi-Wan!! I think people were disappointed and perhaps a little bummed their theories weren't correct.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

I think Mando S3 is fresher on peoples minds too. There are plenty of objective criteria that show BoBF was bad tv.

[@a_agadir3964]

Im gonna be for real, you can think Mando S3 was subpar, but comparing it to Kenobi and Boba Fett is an insult

[@puipuixproduction]

Ok I did not expect it to be so low, but that is saying that the most important thing in Star Wars is the Story. The first 2 season and Andor were amazing and Book of boba's execution was not great, but the story was good or average. Kenobi and Mando S3 have the weakest story... Same with the films...

[@RoboticDrift]

After BOBF and Kenobi, I think a lot of fans were expecting/hoping Mando S3 would be a return to form. When that didn't happen, our patience just ran out. To me that explains the low score. Here's the thing: S3 is better than BOBF and Kenobi, no question. But it's not actually good. Meanwhile, the Bad Batch and Tales of the Jedi showed that animation can still hit high peaks, while Andor completely changed the game for what a Disney+ show could be. Mando S3 needed to be peak Mando _at least_. Instead we got... what we got.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

I seriously have no clue what is even going on with Star Wars these days. Because you got shows like The Bad Batch that finally found it's groove and got really good towards the end of season. But then, you had the Kenobi show, which was awful because it went in a giant circle plot wise and was a bait and switch that treated Obi Wan Kenobi like a loser. Then you got the Mandalorian Season 3, which ties back to the flaws of The Book of Boba Fett because Disney is greedy and short sighted and decided to screw over both shows because we have to have Grogu on screen to sell toys to the ruin of both stories. Like you seriously wonder was anyone, ANYONE on set happy with how Season 3 was going? And now you got these new shows like the Acolyte, I'm dreading that one already based on internet rumors, Skeleton Crew, no idea how to feel. And Ashoka is also feeling me with fear because Disney will once again pull a bait and switch while at the same time be a hamfisted botched telling of Heir to the Empire. IN addition to all the movies announced.....Disney should, but won't, slam on the breaks and go, hold on, let's put everything not already in production/finished on hold and take a couple years off to figure out what exactly it is we're trying to do here. After all, there is a reason George Lucas paced out all HIS Star Wars productions, while doing Indiana Jones between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi

[@achaudhari101]

I think you’re overthinking and overreacting things a bit.

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

I didn't "hate" it, but I also didn't "love" it.

[@QuestionMan]

I don't know if I feel worse that I didn't think it was very good or because I'm relieved that it wasn't bad (or that this is what I was half-expecting all along). Either way, all the options reveal a very low bar indeed.

[@michbenny1363]

Obi Wan was a mixed bag for me. The Leia chase scene, the Leia under Obi's Robe for the escape, and Reva surviving with the knowledge of Luke (though her story could continue) were major flaws in the show. The interactions with Obi Wan and Darth Vader (second battle), the remaining scenes with Obi Wan and Leia and the final scene with Luke were, IMO, great Star Wars moments that I can enjoy apart from the other negative stuff.

[@rector0455]

_chases you throughout the galaxy._ "Have you come to kill me?!" You: 🤔

[@akw141]

I have such mixed feelings here. I don't think the season was so much bad as it was...I don't know, scattershot? There is some good. I like some of the world building. I like Grogu, and he has some cute moments...I especially like how his NO NO pays off when he protects Djin from an enemy. But...should he even be in this situation? Granted he's 50 years old, and much more aware than a human infant even if he's not fully developed, but...I don't know. I liked the season while watching it, and I do actually like the ending (the very end, not the cartoon death of Gideon and Grogu playing the god child trope saving them in an unlikely way), but even with some pretty impressive visuals it somehow feels lackluster. Bo Katahn's arc is important, especially in a Mandalore story, but here it all feels staged almost like it's a video game cinematic(not a great one, either). When she talks about her desperate attempt to save what was left of her people and being betrayed I feel like we REALLY need to see that and feel it with her. Katee ALMOST makes me feel it, but there's something missing. Christopher Lloyd almost gave us an interesting motivation for his actions and was then was cut off in mid sentence by the writer. Maybe that's it. The whole season was a tease, and as a result a let down.

[@Elemento0420]

Mandalorian Season 3 was weak compared to the first 2 seasons, but to me, it's better than Kenobi.

[@chasehedges6775]

First 2 seasons of Mando>Kenobi and Mando S3

[@kev30631]

All of this stuff is shit

[@StrongCurry]

I was typing a response on this poll but unfortunately I got sidetracked with stuff and didn't get to write it on this poll. Love the content ❣. Wish I could remember all the ideas and script re-writes I had when typing them from BOBF, Rangers of NR, and Mando S3.

[@Zsmot858]

I didn’t dislike Mando season 3, but even with its flaws, I definitely had more fun watching Kenobi. It was new and pulled at the nostalgia strings and it’s “good” moments hit a lot harder than Mando season 3’s “good” moments. I still enjoyed Mando season 3, but it was a little forgetful and just seemed like a stopgap season between Ahsoka, etc.

[@grifscustomlightsabers3925]

I'd say it got such a low a rating because fans a tired of getting let down. Speaking for myself mostly.

[@jordansmith1541]

Why oh why is a fan base mostly of amateur storytellers can consistently come up with dozens of story beats that blows everything the episode professional writers, directors, producers, etc... come up with.

[@itsthemumu8585]

A lot of people apparently didn’t take “Din adopting Grogu” very well. It’s like a stepfather who came and raised a kid when their biological dad wasn’t there, and while people “accept” them as father and son, to a step parent, a formal adoption really does mean something. I don’t know why people are missing this. Your stepchild may call you mom or dad, but that all changes when that official adoption takes place.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

As someone who was adopted by my mothers second husband, I agree completely. It just lacked an emotional weight on screen.

[@itsthemumu8585]

@@stevebreedlove9760 I think if they spent a little more time on that scene, or even set it up a little better, it would’ve had more impact. My biggest issue with this season was not that the final two episodes weren’t good, but that they had to play so much catch up that we didn’t get the proper time needed for the audience to take some of these big scenes in. For example, the spy shown in the third episode did not need 50 minutes of screen time to set up, it could’ve been done in a much shorter time due to the payoff not being anything extravagant. Other things in this season needed the breathing room that the third episode wasted in my opinion. Still, I think many people tend to ignore the significance of that specific scene whether it hit the mark or not. Most seem not to acknowledge that something like this is a big deal for a step-parent/father/mother figure in a child’s life. I often think a parent who chooses to be a parent for a child without one can become an even better parent than a biological one who has an obligation to be a parent.

[@stmichelarchange9042]

It's a cumulative factor...Season 1 and 2 really did feel like the old Star wars the one that made us fall in love with the characters and the story. Add to that that they brought back the other characters that we all loved but never had the chance to explore(boba fett...Ashoka...Master Luke...Cad bane...Black Cressent...twins hutt....). Then substract the fact that the book of boba fet was crap and that obiwan was also crap.... substract to that the fact that men are now getting the middle finger treatment in a show that was for the longest time paid for and adore by 80% men. Then substract start the season by rewinding the ending of the second season that we all loved.....and erasing that finale in order to sell more grogu toys thus totally disrespecting the fans who pay your darn show. Then substract no cohesion in the story telling...main character being side-line once again...cause men are bad...main character honestly unrecogniseable form the other two season were he was a total bad arse....now a weak needy man who always needs saving. And we are suppose to like THAT thing. I remember the time when star wars was made for nerds and now it's been dumb down so much they are literally telling you from second to second what they are doing cause...what you're to dumb to think...disgusting. Only someone who never watch the first 3 star wars movie could like that crap. Yeah I know...there are lazer pistols...and space ship...and aliens...but Jesus star wars is way more then just that.

[@mejohnc]

After rewatching the Season 1 Finale, it made me think even less of the S3 finale. Gorgu protects against flames and the armoror tells Din "You are as his father" in the tunnels. Why did they think they needed to do this again or that it woud have any impact? They also did it in a way worse and forced fashion compard to S1. I too am surprised S3 ranks lower than Book of Boba and Kenobi, but it's more of the same from Disney: Wild inconsistency. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the next show, our Beloved Ahsoka, suffers the same rating hell if they legit cant tell a story without talking over themselves.

[@stevebreedlove9760]

I hope not 😢 ashoka has a ton of potential as a sequel to rebels/retelling heir to empire trilogy. Trailer looks like it has the elements. But after seeing Kenobi and how they botched the Inquisitors, i am also skeptical of how they will integrate these new dark jedi characters.

[@BBDragon66]

A third season of a series can only be judged by the previous seasons. Not very good aptly describes it.

[@berberbro]

whats true about the rumors Disney was kind of got caught off guard with the succes of Grogu? I mean its seemed like Grogu's run was to end at end of season 2, with Mando off to new adventures. But they reversed this mid writing and hence the weird Boba Fett special episode. I think season 3 was meant to be all about retaking Mandalore...

[@Mouse_Metal]

They were caught off guard with the success of Din too. A series with a masked, dehumanized protagonist? It should have never worked, it should have never been that popular, so Crapleen could say: "You see? Nobody cares about male protagonists! Let´s make some femalecentric Acolyte and Ahsoka and Sabine and Bo-Katan, who cares she is a terrorist who tried to kill her own sister? Women can do nothign wrong" Grrrlpoweeerrrr!" S3 is the result of rewrites forced on Favreau by her and Furloni. Din was supposed to accept his leadership, unite the Mandos, and fight Boo the jealous narcissist and her followers and hired guns. She is a villain, and always will be a villain.

[@berberbro]

@@Mouse_Metal so true ! Bo_Katan is a very interesting character, but not as a good guy. So many things to focus on. She could have had her own arch, as a counterpoint to Din's. Let's say she could have been the Cersei of the Star Wars universe.

[@Stlaind]

Regarding the way that Din Djarin officially adopting Grogu didn't hit for you, I think you're a bit off on that. For children of split/broken families that find, for instance, a step-parent that becomes far more their parent than their biological parent it can be immensely emotional for the person that has been acting as their parent taking that last, official, legal step - and being asked to do so by someone that's effectively become your child can be just as. There's a LOT of vids out there of families doing this - and there's never a dry eye in the vid. It may not have hit hard for those of us who didn't go through that - but there's a LOT of people out there who have and I'm glad they included that part of the scene.

[@steele8280]

The low score has less to do with the quality of Andor and more with the (lack of) quality of BOBF and Kenobi (and the ST). Fans are more sensitive to bad Star Wars. We have become less tolerant of crap.

[@LaxJedi]

You keep mentioning the finale, but the top comments were more about saying the preceding episodes and the journey to get to the finale were underwhelming and/or poorly executed. The finale was just “good enough” eye candy.

[@facundocorradini]

It felt a lot like The Book of Boba Fett. Disjointed, entire chapters hijacked by other characters, weirdly-paced. Still, the main issue is that *all the key plot points were solved without much effort* : - Epic journey to a supposedly toxic planet to achieve redemption? yeah, let's just solve that in the first episode. - Potentially letal conflict with Bo-Katan over the Darksaber? let's skip through all of that and have them be best pals, using a weird loophole for her to claim the weapon. - Uniting two radically different creeds (/ straight up enemy clans) for the greater good? yeah, let's just have The Armorer allow Bo to take her helmet off because of _reasons_ and invite her "guests" to chomp on some giant chicken. - Moff Gideon returns and we find he has a huge base, Beskar-armored troops, and a huge cloning project to create a Force-enhanced version of himself? let's just dispatch him in the very next episode.

[@Mouse_Metal]

Bo-Karen is the real problem, the previous plot and lore was erased to put her into the spotlight, while she was supposed to be the villain.

[@roninjedi2494]

How did Kenobi and book of boba fett score so high on the polls? Those shows were the last Jedi level of bad

[@jetblast190]

I don’t see how anything other than Kenobi can be the lowest rated series. Kenobi was not only terrible, it was totally unnecessary…should have never been made. Obi-wan’s 19 years in exile on Tatooine should have never been touched…I was satisfied with the former knowledge that he led the life of a hermit not revealing himself through the force. Having said that, season 3 was the weakest of the three, feeling rushed covering too much ground in too short a period of time. The cancellation of Rangers didn’t help.

[@kev30631]

Yes and yes it was terrible. I didn't need to know any of that history. I didn't need to see any of that history. We didn't need to see awful interpretation of child Leia. Light saber's used as clubs.