Manjaro and EndeavourOS are like Ding Dongs and Zingers

One of the most often complaints that you will hear about Linux is that there are too many distros that all do the same thing. These complaints do have some validity, but at the same time, I feel these complaints miss the point. This morning I'm drinking my coffee and trying to decide on a dessert to go with it...
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[@DeRaafMedia]

This video was just an excuse to eat an Ding Dong AND a Zinger wasn't it?

[@pablofreitasmachado8076]

If DT is a business, he can use the video to write ding dongs and zingers as a business expense and pay less taxes on it lol

[@aaronmbenedict]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[@DeRaafMedia]

@@aaronmbenedict It is! Don´t know about others, but he did not share with me ...

[@davidsherman7965]

Does one need an excuse?

[@fabricio4794]

Ding Dong for me its juts Bell sound....

[@ekim4926]

"Some days, I want a Ding Dong" Bet that's never been said on a Linux channel before

[@alaunaenpunto3690]

I spit out my tea

[@urmensch12]

The jokes write themselves with that 1

[@eherrmann01]

I think you'll go with the Ding-Dong. As far as the people that think there are too many distros out there, the solution is simple; just install one that has the features that you want/need, and don't worry about what everybody else is doing.

[@fabricio4794]

Thats why im on #BigLinux its free its Open Source and No Hardware issues...

[@algavone]

BUT WHAT IF THEIRS IS BETTER THAN MINE MY LINUX EXPERIENCE COULD BE SO MUCH MORE BETTER

[@-someone-.]

I’m in Australia, so saying you wanna live in a world without Ho ho’s made my nephew almost cry. He thought no more xmas 🤣🤦‍♂️

[@kelvintakyi-bobi3155]

😂😂😂

[@dany08011]

Raw cocoa fan: Too many distros!😭😭 Average Ding Dongs and Zingers enjoyer: Nice distro king, love your project 😎

[@sweep-]

The "too many distros" problem is only a problem for those looking to make the switch to Linux... Like if you went to buy a hostess cake and you never tasted them before. They all appear different but you don't know that they taste the same until you try them all...

[@ped7g]

including developers wishing to ship binary-only software, for those the "too many distros" is real issue, also the instability of the ABIs, etc... and lot of commercial SW wants to be closed source binary only. I would even guess the "too many distros" is more about the binary incompatibility than about new users having too many choices. But who cares. Big part of free SW developers care about technology and rights over their SW, while supporting non free SW is like something secondary, or even "I don't care at all" thing, so it's like that and it will stay like that.

[@anon_y_mousse]

@@ped7g Static linking is a thing, so the closed source argument holds no water. Any developer you see arguing that, they're a bad developer, so don't listen to their advice.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

the answer to the too many distros problem is the same as it has been for years: linux mint. all of the minutiae about systemd and package managers and all the other stuff linux enthusiasts argue over is for, well, enthusiasts.

[@anon_y_mousse]

@@xXx_Regulus_xXx Nah, Slackware is the answer. Always has been, always will be. I've got deb2tgz and rpm2tgz and can build almost anything else from source.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

@@anon_y_mousse rereading my comment I don't think I stated my meaning explicitly enough. for people who are actually bothered by the amount of choices on offer, who I assume are beginners who want to use their computer to do things and aren't interested in linux as a hobby, just sit them down in front of Mint and call it a day.

[@MarkDavidMcCoskey]

For the time being, I've settled on ArcoKDE, EndeavourBudgie, and GarudaKDE on my 3 different machines. They work for me and the hardware they are installed upon.

[@anon_y_mousse]

KDE is the best DE.

[@fabricio4794]

You Love KDE? you will love #BigLinux

[@richardmonroe4208]

Regarding "Arch Ding-Dongs": Erik Dubois summarizes it quite succinctly: "It's all Arch" (choose your dessert)!

[@valderon3692]

It would be as if they just gave you the ingredients and said you can just put it together yourself with any shape or decoration you want. But most people don't want to be making the cakes themselves. That's why they are buying the prepackaged products. They all have slight differences that some people prefer over the other options but none of those people would want to have to take the cakes and rebuild them into their preferred shape. No matter how many tools you have to customize your OS, not everyone is going to want to put in all that work to do so. Having it prepackaged just the way we like it is very much preferred.

[@elyknavillus777]

Another great use of a cake analogy, well done sir.

[@huljaxful]

I don't think the problem is having too many distros. The problem probably is that the ones that are polished and maintain aren't that many. For example, although there is hundreds of distros, i don't think there are more than a dozen AAA ones.

[@TVPInterpolation]

@Arnav Vijaywargiya i agree on the glibc part - but you also need to keep in mind that its normal that something can break if you are running rolling releases like arch. thats just the nature of such distros. people running "normal" distros like ubuntu, fedora, opensuse, debian, did not get these issues.

[@costascostas1760]

@@TVPInterpolation like some programs that don't run on modern windows or modern MacOS. It's expected things will break if we want advancement. At least in linux there are more people who want to fix things compared with windows developers. I think

[@name._..-.]

Pareto distribution, few distros attract almost all attention, that's how world works, don't see why that's a problem really.

[@MarcusPHagen]

Thanks for a Sunday morning laugh! Even my wife (who doesn't care about the proliferation of distros) thought it was funny & a good analogy.

[@rcht958]

The problem with this argument is that Zingers are objectively better than Ding Dongs

[@mikacasaubon8219]

They're not the same. Each one has a different Flag ship edition with custom settings that would take the average user weeks or months to setup themselves. If you can find the one that is closest to your needs and go from there, I think that's very convenient. Yes, they may be the same under the hood, but what you end up using can be very different. I think that's where the value of having so many choices lies.

[@Gurj101]

not to mention different software availability. even arch and manjaro. manjaro is stable when compared to arch and has less frequent updates but is still a rolling release enough to be up-to-date.

[@alaunaenpunto3690]

So why not just serve up one distribution that comes in all the cosmetic flavors? Surely that would be simpler than maintaining separate distributions.

[@flip4119]

If it takes you 'weeks or months' to setup a distro, the problem lies with the user.

[@taratron]

​@@flip4119 If you give a Gentoo or Guix OS iso to a computer illiterate person, it wouldn't suprise me, if they took months to install and configure it to a usable state. A lot of time would be saved with something more tailored to their tech knowledge.

[@name._..-.]

@@alaunaenpunto3690 I hate apt and fixed release distros, prefer pacman and rolling release. How would you make distro which has options for that thing? It would be different distros already

[@garyjcoy]

Some days I want a Ding Dong, Some days I want a zinger... Man. That's an instant classic. You should make that your tagline. Maybe some merch? I'd buy a t-shirt or a coffee cup. Love it!!! Keep on keepin' on DT. Love your stuff.

[@hipdad9461]

your going to drill the center out of the ding dong and insert the zinger and your going to have a Zing Dong!

[@PoeLemic]

Nice to tune into your channel and find such a wonderful video that shows your unique and humorous take on the Linux environments and eco-system. DT always gives me a smile.

[@ardaninho]

Should call this Foodhopping

[@ArniesTech]

Definitely I gotta do a vid on “too many distros“ 💪🤗

[@spliffy8338]

I just find the name of the mentioned cupcakes hilarious especially because DT keeps repeating them the whole time in his explanation :D

[@JohnDanielTrask1]

Now you talking my language DT. More candy reviews in future please :-D I’m a Ding Dong with KDE kinda guy.

[@NewsSphereNetwork]

Ding dong !!! Zingooer !!?, cup of coffee, hohooo !!? Manjaro ;;:!

[@iamsub00]

came here for linux / left with lots of online cupcake orders ... thanks i am sure i will enjoy

[@jesuschristislord6790]

EndeavourOS is Arch without the annoying install process of vanilla Arch and without the security issues of Manjaro. Endeavour is the best arch based distro because it is just Arch with an install that doesnt take 30-45 minutes.

[@ekim4926]

@@the42year-oldhacker37 the creator of Linux himself said that the process of installing Debian is complicated So you can keep your elitism away

[@TVPInterpolation]

@@the42year-oldhacker37 having something work should be easy. anything else is just a bonus. who says people dont like the defaults certain DEs can bring? if im not on my bspwm rice, im also happy to just use default plasma with breeze dark.

[@RealMephres]

@@ekim4926 Yep. As far as I know, Linus also wanted a distro that updates quick without being unstable, too, so Fedora was his clearest choice.

[@jesuschristislord6790]

@@the42year-oldhacker37 I installed arch on my laptop. Installing something in a more complicated way isnt the same as customizing. I have endeavour on my pc and arch on my laptop. Only difference is that one took longer to get on my hardware than the other. Thats just that cancerous elite mindset thats holding linux back from growing. If i can put the rock in my truck and drive it up the hill, id rather do that than putting it on my back and carrying it. Knowing how to install arch is a good thing but if there are options that make it much easier, theres nothing wrong with that either.

[@infinitycoffe]

Yes, I'm a advanced user but sometimes I just need a working distro quickly with good defaults after installation, this is why EndeavourOs is perfect for me.

[@tailsorange2872]

" This morning I'm drinking my coffee and trying to decide on a dessert to go with it..." ---- uh..... As a Singaporean, I would ask you: Have you had half boiled eggs and soy sauce? They are pretty good with Kaya toast.

[@tailsorange2872]

And Black Coffee

[@user-he4ef9br7z]

Too healthy for Americans.

[@tailsorange2872]

@@user-he4ef9br7z 😄It's an open-sourced meal recipe though If it's Open sourced - DT SHOULD have one 😄

[@tailsorange2872]

@@user-he4ef9br7z BlackCoffee Linux when 😄

[@LeonisYT]

This video is amazing on multiple levels

[@NOPerative]

Ding Dongs, Ho Ho's and Zingers all taste differently to me - but they are made of the same stuff. I like Manjaro, Archcraft and LinuxMint DE (my DD HH and Zingers). Ding Dong is my guess although a feel the force trying to tell me Zinger.

[@RadioTeal]

I'd likely go with the Zinger :-) Great Video and to pile on to your point, there are actually Zingers with Vanilla Frosting and white cake as well as strawberry, this is like the difference between say EndeavourOS and Arch or Debian and MX Linux. Coffee and a Zinger are a standard system admin breakfast LOL

[@filipizimermann894]

Ha. Curious your analogy... After I installed arch and QTile following your videos instructions I twitted: "setting up an arch workstation is like preparing your own food". It takes a lot of time, a lot of learning, first few meals may taste as you expected, but with time it becomes a unique and special experience. And also, you know exactly what you are putting in.

[@einfachlinux]

Coool video....you bring it to the point....applause!

[@garyjcoy]

Would you really wanna live in a world without Ho-Hos... Man you are killing me 😆😂😛

[@ex0ja]

Glad you explained this, as an Australian I have no idea wtf they are. And yes, I live in a world without hohos.

[@damadorpl]

manjaro =/= thesame as other arch - they delay updates - make semi rolling release etc .... - Endavour os is just plain arch with calamari nad preconfigured DE ... along with few apps for beginners. There is script that " clean" EOS to plain arch - 43 lines of code ...

[@donzur9812]

Dokładnie😅

[@ISCARI0T]

eos is 100 times worse than manjaro. most unstable distro i have ever used. TRASH

[@damadorpl]

@@ISCARI0T well all except 19 packages are straight from arch repo. They dont use "garuda like" packages or settings.

[@ISCARI0T]

@@damadorpl garuda is better because it has an own identity. eos just has estrogen vibes

[@TVPInterpolation]

@@ISCARI0T how is it unstable if it literally uses the same repositories?

[@bstar777777]

Endeavour i3 Edition was so nice for me... I have a highly customized env that I build, but it's nice to have the quality of life things already sorted out. Reality is that I don't install Distros often, so when I do I want to get it done quickly without any drama. I also have never been able to get the Arch install script working, so I moved on.

[@xwinglover]

That is a very quick build and rock solid. I helped my son set this up. From start to finish we were done in 2 hours.

[@paquitojhs]

What ive noticed with the Arch script is that you really need to have your partitions on point. If not, it will fail causing black screen of death lmao.

[@bstar777777]

@@paquitojhs Maybe it's because I was using btrfs. Anyway, I've since moved on to Nixos which has worked out much better for me.

[@RealMazharHussain]

After watching the video, I feel like someone should create a distro named DingDong OS.

[@dickmule7564]

I'm down. How about you?

[@scizophreniac]

DingDOS

[@RealMazharHussain]

Of course, yes, man.

[@xwinglover]

As an Aussie, these products sound like another language.

[@Axlefublr]

“I buy boxes of ding-dongs all the time” So do I, DT, so do I

[@vyshnavlalp4577]

I don't have Ding dong or Zinger here but I've Archlinux and Debian here 😂. Enjoyed the way of presentation DT

[@shauryakalia3296]

Was this an advert? I didn't realise until I felt the need to eat something sweet too. If it was, nice work

[@YrmiZ]

It's 1 am and all I think know is coffee and cup cakes

[@thoughtfulriderakj]

Switched Ubuntu to Manjaro to EndeavoursOS 2 years ago. Going strong with EndeavoursOS since then. EndeavoursOS is much more agile with almost no limiters put on whereas Manjaro has 2 weeks hold cycle and their app store (pamac-all got orphaned few months ago) ... EndeavoursOS is basically Arch Configured with all necessary packages and settings with only 2 -3 apps that are additional and you can disable them (they are upfront about it) No hate for Manjaro, but I love the approach of EndeavoursOS more. Also, it was Manjaro that helped me get acquainted with all Arch commands back in the day, So I am thankful to Manjaro too.

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

There is a huge difference between Ubuntu, Debian, Zorin, Linux Mint etc. Just because they have the same base doesn't make them the same thing. Arch is not even close to manjaro even though manjaro is arch based. A hell of a lot of work went into those off shoots.

[@noam65]

I agree on both. The same point applies. Presentation is a huge part of the overall experience. For most folks, life is best with variety. It's a psychological thing. The only deviations for me are at the extremes of the spectrum, beginners and experts. Beginners might fare better with certain variants, and this with specific use cases may fare better with something geared for their use. A musician may prefer one with musical apps. A student with another set, an artist... well you get the point. For the rest of us, variety...

[@Bert-og9rk]

Choice is important, even if they are similar. I like that I was able to move from Manjaro to EndeavorOS, when they were having unpleasant interactions with their community, pretty easily.

[@jkd7799Yann]

Thankfully, we have equally the choice to not install endeavour :)

[@MatthewBeckwithkodahScripts]

i think you'll eat both 😉 Love the videos DT!

[@regbot4432]

I can feel it. You are so into something that you start to notice associations of it with everything.

[@bennyjensen1]

like a christmas present. the packeging matters too. sure it's what inside you keep but if the package was done nicely it tells us someone wanted us to have a nice experience and not just give us something from a list

[@codeinfurno]

Love this view of your studio. Also this you'er right the more the merrier that way there is something for everyone. Keep up the great work DT!

[@PressThatButton]

To quote Weird Al’s Eat It video: “Ding Dong, man, Ding Dong.”

[@Zakanuva]

1:38 Simple explanation of the differences between those two: Ding Dongs are cupcakes. Zingers are eclairs. Other than the shapes, they're basically the same snack-cake.

[@moroc333]

Linux from scratch users: *preheats oven*

[@The1RandomFool]

Just picked up some Ding Dongs when I was at the store.

[@PhillyBoyRoy]

based and guntpilled

[@ChillKG]

feels something really funny to hear a grown old man say "I want a ding dong"

[@keylowmike85]

The world would be in chaos without ho hos, just look at what happened with the Twinkies. lol Awesome work, and my guess that it was a Zinger.

[@chuckmuckamuck8001]

True story: 3 days ago I ate a Hostess Ding Dong while installing EndeavourOS on a new (well new to me) laptop.

[@MrG0CE]

THIS WAS FUNNY XD HALF THE VIDEO WAS ABOUT CHOCOLATES :P

[@JD-qo9wk]

I love EndeavourOS + Hyprland. It's literally just Arch but with a stress free install process. Can't go wrong

[@samhernandez2359]

This was one of the hardest things for me as a new Linux user. Of course it was easy to pick a beginner friendly distro like Ubuntu, but getting more advanced it would progressively get harder to decide on a distro. I believe that Linux strongly represents the paradox of choice. As much as I love Arch, in certain situations it’s just not practical. But when you have so many options as you’ve said that are essentially the same, then what purpose is there to be different? Not including the differences between Arch, Debian, and RHEL for instance, but the derivatives of each. Perhaps that’s just my personal feeling of being overwhelmed by too many similar choices. I think that’s why I use Arch. Instead of cake or brownies, I’ll just be the baker and make whatever the hell I want.

[@rarminqorset3628]

I am very inspired by you. All my scripts are written after being educated by you sir.

[@cherubin7th]

The problem is that they are all half baked.

[@theclient6251]

You should have a ding dong ticker counter on the screen every time you say it. LOL

[@Sqwert-g6h]

You're going to eat both. Because you can, and no one can tell you otherwise.

[@chasonsnotes]

You forget the deluxe hostess confection SUZY Q. Now that will hook you on one snack cake 🤣

[@1280-user]

I think there's a bright side of having less distros. because if there is only one distro, it would solve a lot of compatibility issues with hardwares, it would encourage devs who only make a windows softwares to making a linux version simply with so many distros and package managers, and DEs, a lot of problems come, and despite having a lot of devs willing to contribute, more distros keep appearing with more problems in short, having an open source software is a double edged sword

[@ramunassilent1657]

Endeverous is awesome project. I like their wm config files.

[@navdeepsharma4032]

and their memory management much better than the manjaro

[@JeffWaynee]

Great analogy!

[@MrSeatbelt]

Free and open source cakes.

[@nmdra]

Time to make Ding-Dong OS...

[@saffanalvy]

Agreed! Can't put that better than those words. Of course, you are more experienced than me in linux, but with my humble knowledge for last 1 year what I have found that Manjaro is best for you if you want Qtile, Software Development, Gaming, backup n restore and multiple hardware driver supports. Also amazing thing is if you break something in Manjaro that you can't fix and errors are showing in the notification but you don't know what to do then no worries, the next update will fix them, especially the key rings. After hopping debian for last 10 years, then arch and fedora and all the popular distros, Alhamdulillah, I'm at peace with Manjaro, Steam, Proton-GE-Custom, Gamemode, Android Studio, Flutter, Kitty, Fish, Qtile, Brave, Vim and VS Code. Thank you for teaching me Qtile and Vim. @Derek

[@tostoday]

LOL. Since I joke a lot I'm more of a zinger.

[@muddyexport5639]

More is more!!!

[@andrewclark3325]

Derek, you should try curd snack (сырок). I think you are going to like it.

[@xKB616]

My mama always said Gnu/Linux distros are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re gonna get.

[@chad4]

Huh. MY mama always said, "I don't know WHAT you're talking about. Quit trying to talk to me about computer stuff. Go talk to your father." whenever I tried to talk to her about Gnu/Linux distros.

[@xKB616]

@@chad4 🤣🤣🤣

[@ThePressurizer]

Zingers, Ho-Hos, Ding Dongs, I love American branding. Our stuff is so toned down.

[@toranshaw4029]

Ding Dong 😂

[@Fareke2]

Today is the fist time i heard about ding dongs and zingers. I had few times something similar but dont remember what it was called. But it was shaped like half zinger.

[@hipdad9461]

Same thing with all fast foods... Take taco Bell.... They have the same ingredients to choose from. They are just in different shapes and sizes and you can choose how you want it configured.

[@sharkuel]

After some distro-hoppin, I settled with Fedora for my workstation/gaming rig and Pop_OS for my laptop, and I am happy with both. In the beginning it is quite overwelming, a LOT of distros, people trying to convince me what was the best and all that, and then having my dissapointments with some distros (Manjaro comes to mind), and I stuck with Zorin OS for a while, but then I decided to jump to Fedora, and this thing is rock solid. Later down the road, I decided to ditch Zorin OS from my laptop as well, and went with Pop_OS due to its simplicity and gnome implementation. So I have two diferent distros for two diferent things. It is all a matter of perspective, and what you figure that is good for you, and don't let elitists either try to guide you or bring you down. And to all the people out there: You can get used to Linux and create your workflow in a matter of weeks. And if you need a specific Windows tool that doesn't run under Wine, then run a Windows VM and you are all good. I know people fret about keeping it FOSS, and to go for open-source always, but VMWare Player is a life-saver, and their drivers are fantastic.

[@classicrockonly]

Isn’t this video a bit contrary to your “will the future have FEWER Linux distros” video? I thought you made some good points there. In this analogy, why can’t we just get those 4 basic ingredients and choose if we want a ding Dong or ho-ho and have all the effort generally focused on improving the 4 ingredient base?

[@doughnut_panda]

Me not knowing ding dongs and zingers were cakes 😱

[@darthkielbasa]

Far reach for sponsorship. But I admire the hustle

[@darthcabs]

I absolutely agree with you. I will never understand the mentality of those that advocate for fewer options

[@sumirandahal76]

Hey DT, you would look greater with hair and beard ! Don't take it offensively, you look good with your default looks tho!

[@bthegawd8113]

I recently switched to Linux on both my desktop and laptop. Laptop distro is fedora KDE since it’s intel graphics but I’m still currently trying to find a permanent distro for my desktop which has Nvidia graphics. The fact that there are so many choices can sometimes be a bit stressful IMO.

[@ronaldcraig4166]

They just do things a little different. Underlying foundation is the same. I like choices! Arch-based just give me Arco. Debian-based just give me Mint. But some days I prefer something new for my sweet-tooth. Some days I'll even bake my own. Life is good.

[@NejibBenYahia]

Ding Dongs are debian based cakes so you will choose Zingers arch based ones!

[@headrushindi]

Distro Tube, I have no problem with the number of distro's as much as I do with the multitude of different package managers and terminal commands that seem to change drastically . You are so good at teaching Linux, have you ever tackled a simple, beginners guide to understanding the terminal language used in the different package managers like ARCH opposed to Debian, opposed to ubuntu, etc etc we have YAY commands, we have pacman commands, we have so many .For five years I used Ubuntu, Debian based distros and primarily still do.I was used to straight forward SUDO commands. Then I downloaded the recent Garuda Linux with the Pacman manager, and found that there is an entirely different command structure used in the Terminal. This can be confusing and frustrating to new users trying to escape Microsoft and Apple HELL. If you have already done a video on this can you point me to the link?. If not ..I would LOVE to hear you do a show on this. You are such a good damn teacher I never fail to take something away from your video's.

[@riseabove3082]

It's not different it's just a different package manager. That's the only thing different.

[@afanhaqulfadillah6992]

Imagine there's no desktop OS other than Windows 11, MacOS Monterey and Chrome OS

[@anon_y_mousse]

I don't think many will disagree that more choice is more better, except for newbies. For them, and them alone, the amount of choices is daunting and I can understand the argument in that case. For such circumstances, I can only say, read a guide on best newbie distros and make sure it's within a year or two of having been published. My goto recommendation is Mint, but I've been told Fedora is a good choice a lot lately. So I'd say try one or both of them first.

[@fubaralakbar6800]

Dude, you're making me hungry

[@csehszlovakze]

most people who bring up this "argument" can't even tell debian and devuan apart... as for the cupcakes, my guess would be both 😂😂😂

[@leeretube100g]

I like a wide choice. However, the origin should play a role. Are Ding Dongs and Zingers from the same manufacturer? I had to go back to pure Debian, unfortunately, because some installation scripts use lsb_release -ac to be installed only on special distros. It would be desirable for me that the distros would indicate whether they are still compatible with their base and that you could also see this with commands like lsb_release -ac

[@InnerTranquility]

100% agree. People seem to view Linux as Windows. In another words "Another product". If Linux was a product for sale, the diversity would not serve the product. But Linux is not a product, so it's just wrong when people say "Linux is too diverse". Freedom is diverse. The Linux landscape is a good symbolic representation of how a sound capitalist market should be. I am a happy Debian user. But i do applaud all other distros!

[@akashmanjunath2505]

Wowow.... What's this???🤣 Is this sponsored? I mean... Of course it's probably not but I'm sure both of those products got some extra customers now.

[@schemage2210]

Strictly speaking I do with in a world without Ding-Dongs and Ho Hos's, never seen either of them ever before, so why not get rid of them all. :)

[@markbenedict1295]

When all is said and done, black coffee is the only distro that matters. BTW, when are they releasing Twinkie Linux?

[@SlideRSB]

Sometimes I want a Ring Ding, and sometimes I want a Yodel. By the way, the Hostess Ding Dong is a cheap knockoff of the Drake's Ring Dings. Ring Dings were my favorite back in the day when they used to come individually wrapped in foil.

[@AuranDerg]

Good analogy, but to be clear, Manjaro is more like the Ubuntu of Arch, with its own repositories and packages, and therefore is more of a Little Debbie donut compared to Zinger of Endeavor

[@alfkh]

i'm not really a chocolate fan. Here in singapore, we can get banana cake fm the shelves of a grocery store, U might call it bread bread in US. That stuff tastes good enuf when 1 has a "mouth itch" but not really hungry.

[@laughingvampire7555]

if you remember back in the day, when the first live distros appeared they came with multiple desktop options, KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc. so today distros having multiple installation media for different desktops is just dumb. But they do it because the installations have become so big they can't fit in a DVD anymore, but this is also dumb because most people will install Linux using USB, the DVD size should be an option, yes but it should be exclusively for installation and avoid the live DVD. I say this because the one thing Distros should do, is all the distros based on something else should join forces with the OG distro, join resources and effort invested, they can make the configuration a script to modify the base distro or can be part of the installation process. EndeavourOS exists because the DIY concept of Arch is just a gimmick, it should be part of the installation process with something like calamares and for the people who think "oh I learned too much doing it" well, the whole process can be a section of the Arch wiki and thats it. you don't need anything else. Can be one of the options.

[@TJWolf]

OMG I love Ho'ho's .This is the best ever DT. Your eating HO,HO while on Arch Linux