Manual BMW M2 Competition - Should You Get the DCT Instead? (POV Drive Binaural Audio)

[@justincatalano2408]

Best point i've heard made on daily driving a manual. The skill needs to be kept current. Driving a manual once a week for a couple hours on backroads vs every day in real world traffic....no comparison in terms of driving skill and finesse required. People have it backwards...should be manuals for daily driving; DCTs and autos for absolute acceleration and fast shifts on the track. Daily drive your manual cars!

[@TedwardDrives]

Yes! It’s like playing the guitar every day vs playing two or three times per month. The every day player will be better even if both are good enough to get the job done haha

[@swishchee]

One exception I'd make is if you're commuting in heavy stop and go traffic that's much slower than your car's idle speed. I've driven manual only while commuting in heavy traffic for 15 years. I didn't think it was so bad until I got a vehicle that doesn't need to do that. It is SO much better in stop and go traffic. Going back to manual in those conditions felt absolutely terrible, particularly if you just got an intense run done and your feet are sore. Using those sore /exhausted muscles having to feather the gas and clutch is definitely not fun, and I've had muscles spaz out from that. The technique feels as natural as ever. I never have problems switching. But I've quickly realized just how needlessly inconvenient it is to go at a snail's pace for an hour.

[@revengeof1307]

@@swishcheeyou just have to be more patient in stop traffic

[@smenard1107]

⁠@@swishcheesee I kinda see it the opposite way daily driving in a manual builds the skills and hones them, driving long trips like a crossstate trip I want an automatic

[@TheRecon4]

Pressing the traction control button once gives you MDM, twice or long press is fully off. You can also make your own mode with MDM turned on for the M1 and M2 buttons on the steering wheel. You nailed it with the compromise of the M2, but how that’s part of the charm. It’s one of the best in its class when it comes to being sporty and livable every day.

[@TheMystro1971]

I tested both manual and DCT M2C. After driving manual in ALL my 911's over the last 30 years, I decided the DCT was the way to go for my M2 Comp purchase. Love it. Absolutely lightning fast shifts and the DCT will not be around much longer so it was a no brainer for me. I club raced 911's and am a excellent manual driver but I couldnt come close to the speed of the DCT.

[@marschrr]

1M and M2 to me, defeats the sense of the bigger ones, not to mention a Manual, such a throwback to the old 3 series.

[@Kyzox2000]

Exactly, big cars are not meant to be fast

[@ElliWoelfin]

Big cars are great when fast.

[@RossTheLoss]

@@Kyzox2000 m4 is fine

[@guenthersteiner8163]

@@RossTheLoss M4 is hideous

[@BoostedAkatsukiRiffs]

@@Kyzox2000 love my m4 to pieces but theres no denying the m2 is the true successor to the m3, not the m4. m4 is like half gt car, half racecar imo

[@visekual6248]

Quick response, if you only care about speed, DCT, if you care about experience, fun and want to have a greater connection to the car, manual.

[@TheDarkhorse228]

Hot take

[@mathieuburns6570]

For me the DCT allows it to be a great let daily driver. I live in Sydney Australia and the traffic is shocking. I agree manual is more engaging but for me the DCT gives me a fair bit of fun and involvement but makes it easier for the day to day

[@michaelschwab9563]

THIS ☝🏻

[@gregporch8451]

Perfect timing, my sunset orange manual M2C is only a few weeks away from getting here !

[@AA-dh8lm]

Can you get me one too 😂

[@sebazk8463]

what a beauty

[@vandecar15]

Good on ya for getting the six-speed, sir!

[@Lambullghini]

Please upload a video on your channel when you get It :D That sounds like a really cool color

[@Krypton0ne]

I have owned a M2C since last year, just as this one, and I am in love. You will love it. It have made the pandemic a little better for me.

[@amcheung10]

Almost a year and a half with my 20 M2c manual and I love it more and more everyday. I have intakes, charge pipes, shifter bushing, a midpipe and bilstein pss10 coilovers on stock tune still and it's just a dream. Recently went to Buttonwillow Raceway with it and it really made me appreciate and realize how capable this car really is. It also is my daily driver and I just hit 21k miles on it.

[@defyyourlogic487]

Too bad you have to hear farts every second you drive it. Terrible.

[@vachavez226]

@@defyyourlogic487loser

[@kimchee411]

I appreciate the comments on daily drivability and how BMW works that balance. This is not meant to be a dedicated sports car and shouldn't be evaluated as such. Too many reviewers focus only on how it can whip around a backroad but not what it's like to live with.

[@nessuno5403]

... and that rear seat is quite usable unless you're over 6ft

[@kylereyes7320]

The U-Haul driver knew how to respect the drive 👍

[@alexjacobson3043]

"When you have a really communicative rack, it means you're getting sensory overload" :)

[@robi4387]

And who doesn't like a good rack, right!

[@petarkos9973]

2:07 idk why but instantly i thought of the moment when my dad used to take me to the local empty parking lot to teach me how to drive.

[@szpecunio]

Cool. How old were you then?

[@pedafromdagutter1782]

@@szpecunio i’m not him but my dad taught me stick when i was 15 inna parking lot i’m 17 now

[@petarkos9973]

@@szpecunio i was 14 when i first drove a car, now i'm 18.

[@szpecunio]

@@petarkos9973 I first learned to drive stick at the age of 13 but you can only get your drivers license when youre 18 yo where I live. Now Im 16 and Im so jealous of all the US states where 16 is the minimum age for one :(

[@danielf5433]

Can totally relate! Remember it like it was yesterday. First day in a new school, 5th class, 11 years old. Dad picked me up and at a empty parking lot he told me to switch seats. Could barely look over the steering wheel and stalled three times in a row. The rush I felt shifting from 1st to 2nd gear without any throttle... Thought I was a F1 driver😂😂😂 good times.

[@veaseyrb]

I've had this car for a year now, and daily drive it. Just hit 10k miles last month. Took it to the track (Carolina Motorsports Park) for the first time last week completely stock, minus a DOT4 brake fluid flush a few days prior. This car is a riot! You mention the brakes a lot in this review, and for good reason...they are incredible, and held up all day through five 20-minute sessions. Power delivery is excellent. You do feel the weight of the car, but it's such a great all-around package that it doesn't matter. And at the end of the day, I had a comfortable 2.5 hour drive back home. The M2C isn't necessarily perfect at anything, but it is great at a lot of things-- and that's what makes it a fantastic car.

[@saucyp123]

My friend has one of these with a manual as well! It was a special moment when he first tossed me the keys. Crazy how approachable it is given the performance

[@devlimbani]

Hey man, seems like you don't read the comments anymore but still, and I've said this before many times and will continue to do so, THANK YOU for getting me out if the "mess" I was in. THANK YOU

[@TedwardDrives]

I read every comment lol. Video went live while I was driving a new gt500. I’m really glad the videos help you through crummy times. They help me too and so do these comments

[@devlimbani]

@@TedwardDrives Thanks a lot man, keep these therapies going👍👍👍

[@SM-1010]

This doesn't have to be the fastest, it is fast enough. I am a Mercedes fan and I fell in love. What a fun little car.

[@Roy_xp]

Best notification ever, a tedward video, and it is on one of my favourite cars!

[@yeah700]

My dream car with my favorite reviewer.

[@youthinasia114]

I own this car in the same color as well and I can honestly say the shifter feels “rubbery” so I threw a short shifter Reducing the throw 40% and the H gate feels perfect. If you want to squeeze out performance and tenth of seconds DONOT get a manual car. If you want to have fun in a already stiff car and have a flex, then go manual.

[@BrakRulesAll]

This is the *exact* spec I have on the boat right now - other than the blue stitching, mine will be orange. Everything else including the CF bits at the rear are identical. Thanks for the preview.

[@veaseyrb]

Great video! I'm watching this before I take delivery of my M2C (6MT) tomorrow at the Performance Center...as if I couldn't be any more excited!

[@danieleregoli812]

Agree with you - as a Cayman driver I fully agree that Porsche 'does not allow' the Cayman to be as fast as the 911....they only allow it to be "easier", which suits me just fine tbh....

[@timothybracken1728]

I love how it still has the manual e brake and not an electronic one

[@MS-mr4zm]

This is one of my top candidates for a 3rd car that would serve as a DD, I have a truck that I use as a DD now & a crazy modded C5Z vette - I want something w/ decent mpg, reliable, different, manual- this fits the bill.

[@Tai74411]

Let's goo a Tedward video😀!

[@armo562]

Its always funny watching a video when the same car is sitting in my driveway lol. I love my M2C with DCT. Sunset orange metallic. Gonna go for a drive!

[@andrewvaillant6365]

Everytime I see a cool car pass by in the 495 area, I ask myself "maybe that was Tedward" haha

[@pascutia]

Yeah, it seems like the 1-2 shift is annoying on modern BMWs. Hard to get it smooth. Also, my family's manual F30 328i revs relatively high at 80 mph. Still gets 35 mpg at that speed. And, because the revs are high, it just takes off at that speed.

[@HexaSquirrel]

Happy birthday, Tom!

[@TedwardDrives]

Thank You!!!

[@ma-scalia8629]

I daily an e30 325ix and I got the chance to drive a non M modern bimmer, idk how different the shifting feels but it just feels so artificial compared to the older cars. So even though I’m usually a die hard manual driver, I might be swayed to get the dct

[@johnpearson492]

I've wondered how this car compared between my e39 M5 and e36 M3. It appears to be sized closer to the E36 but the weight, power and sound are definitely closer to the e39. Probably good fun. In the end of the day, the e36 is the more satisfying and fun car to drive, the power of the M5 made it a bit boring as it got to ultra legal speeds way too quickly.

[@declanfrahm7851]

Havnt been on youtube in 2 weeks and mans been out here making heaps of vids, time to spend an hour watching it all

[@danieleregoli812]

Beauuuuutiful video - as always! ...love your drives on those wide, empty, perfect US roads!! I am sooo envious mate!

[@sugna123]

Been looking forward to you doing a video of this car! Certainly did not disappoint, keep up the awesome content!

[@JOHNNYGIX]

I’ve owned 2 GTR’s (R35) and a 2018 M2. Although the GTR is heavier, it cornered WAY better than the M2 and layed super flat in hard corners. Was scary when pushing it because it was hard to know the limit of the tires. The M2 (manual) I found was geared a bit too low, not a great highway car. But, really fun to drive in the city

[@adr3510]

So for Europe it’s perfect 👍🏼

[@30hours51]

low gearing is the best why u need 1k rpm at 80mph for?

[@PenjaminFranklinn]

@@30hours51 cause it gets noisy and decreases gas mileage to have the revs at 3k at 80. source: i own a 2019 sti and that thing is unbearable on the freeway. i really wish i had a 7th gear lol. not to mention i get barely 21 mpg on the freeway

[@30hours51]

@@PenjaminFranklinn eh? GR86 owner here, 3k rpm 80mph, perfectly fine for me and doing 27mpg

[@SsTR-th2wv]

Hell yes I was waiting for someone to do a good manual POV review

[@HTH88]

Have had my M2 Comp in manual for 3 years and not one day have I wished for DCT. Not one!

[@amcheung10]

Agreed! 5 years for me and manual all the way!

[@grantmarks7429]

Loving your videos man. One thing I would recommend you do when you do these car reviews is something like a general scoring or something similar to Doug Demuro’s DougScore so the viewer can get an objective number/rating. We watch for your personality so it would really increase my attention while watching to wonder what your scoring will be at the end. Keep up the great work!

[@TedwardDrives]

Scoring is too subjective and relative. Cars can stand on their own and provide an experience without having to stack up against another vehicle. If I drove 3 Mclaren’s in a week followed by a sonata it doesn’t seem fair to score the Hyundai 😂. If I’ve done my job right you can assign your own value and score to the driving experience

[@grantmarks7429]

@@TedwardDrives Right, but that’s the point. You’re reviewing cars with your personality. As far as I know you aren’t a professional car reviewer, we watch for your personality and input. That’s why I think that maybe scoring cars in separate categories would be the move. I know it would keep me more interested, and your videos would then generate more attention because they would be scored comparisons of cars in their own class. All from your perspective, of course. Just an idea

[@nessuno5403]

@@TedwardDrives agreed, no need for a scoring system

[@neptunefly36]

M2 manual for the vid? Man this vid is gonna be great. 💪👍

[@ND-yp3sk]

That was a dicey moment at 13:13. Shifting, probably looking for traffic and headed towards the curb.

[@TedwardDrives]

Not dicey at all and Nowhere near the curb. Just tracking out toward the fog line like you would. Shifting should not impact the direction you’re pointing 😂

[@thestunyz9566]

This car is on my dream list. Thanks for letting me experience it :)

[@vinz3160]

The MDM Mode you asked for should be activated by pressing the traction off Button once. It could be named DTC though

[@nessuno5403]

It is MDM

[@Wrpancamo02]

My brother can’t shift too well in my 335. He’s not used to such a assisted clutch or gentle shifter lol. Definitely took some getting used to

[@bradenlohmar3903]

this car looks like a blast... and yea i love manuals and bmws and will only buy bmws with three pedals but they never have a clean 1nd-2nd shift..they prefer a fast 3-4 shift i guess cause theyre meant for an autobahn. Either way great vid man love your content

[@frozenpete788]

A good 1-2 shift is one you wait a little bit. You learn to be patient but when it happens it's even better. For sure it's nos lightning fast, but when you match the full power on both gears, and perfect rev match shifting, man it's so good 👍

[@tobynice5836]

I love watching these like I’m about to go out and buy one and then go outside and jump in my £2000 mx5

[@dylanw890]

Wow you have exceptional timing because I got a notification just as I was looking into the new G42 2 series that is coming out 😂

[@ilts959]

@@nessuno5403 Damn, is it confirmed it'll only have the auto? Been eyeing the G42 M240i as my next car and was holding out hope for a manual.

[@nessuno5403]

@@ilts959 hey, sorry, I deleted my message! The G42 is coming and it will be on a rear wheel drive chassis (therefore not like the F40). I made a mistake in saying it will only be built in Germany... I meant, G22 is likely going to be built in Mexico. The G87 (M2) will have a detuned S58 and it should come with a manual like the G82 does or otherwise a ZF (no more DCT). Don't know about the G22 with the B58, but if you look at Z4 and Supra, they are ZF automatics only now. Good luck!

[@noctxrnyl8240]

I hav a 6mt m2c and the clunky shifts are due to rev match, they try to rev match up shifts so turn off traction and bam, great feeling transmission

[@voremed]

13:12 made my day

[@ndj4267]

I would generally get an MT but since BMW is shamelessly replacing the excellent M-DCT with the slower ZF8, I would get DCT.

[@Incarna100]

just get the manual

[@2Z608]

When he said E39 down, I felt that. lol

[@juliensuter7777]

Manual 💪🏻

[@Juganator]

I had this car for a year. I know journalists love it. The car absolutely sucks to own. The shifter is from a base 2 series basically, high running costs, very stiff and struggles to put power down. TTRS weighs like 200+ pounds less and has AWD. I hope the next one is better and they give it a proper shifter. There's really no reason to choose a trash manual over a great DCT.

[@nessuno5403]

😂 Glad you sold it as you clearly don't appreciate proper sportscars if you mention Audi (but DCT is better and if you live in low grip areas, of course it will struggle putting down its power... that's what RWD do).

[@Juganator]

@@nessuno5403 I didn't say the Audi was a better sports car. I was saying this car is fat compared to its rivals at 3600lbs. BMW doesn't make any sports cars besides the Supra/Z4 anyway.

[@nessuno5403]

@@Juganator well, in actuality, the "Zupr4" is not made by BMW, but by Magna-Steyr in Austria 😜

[@gregglasscock7470]

You were driving by my old place in Warrenton?

[@bryancraddock94]

"It's a nice box, just a little rubbery"

[@Eapp1480]

Ayeooooo 😅

[@kevinmorelikekevout3639]

M2 one of my favorite cars they’re so nice

[@marcozuniga1186]

Dude last week I was searching so much about manual m2cs and I searched up your channel if you might’ve reviewed it and I only saw the old m2 one which I had seen already wow this is crazy

[@deadshot4245]

considering a lot of cars are 3800 to 4500 these days 3600 isnt that bad to me the golden zone for power to weight is like 2600 to 3200

[@MrNoppe100]

Tedward video completes the day!😃

[@Oceanbreeze16]

Yes!! A MANUAL!!!!! Please, buy these new!!

[@BrianJohnson-kh7mg]

Is the clutch delay valve for inexperienced manual drivers? Does it make shifting easier? If so why does it make it jerky?

[@MatthewGaither]

I miss my manual daily also, Tedward! That being said, I think my next manual car will be just a fun/sports car and I'll keep something comfortable and automatic for my commute. I'm not as young as I used to be! 😁

[@rembo183]

MX-5 Miata manual as a fun car. Automatic Mustang GT as daily? Or vice versa?

[@legacy7585]

It’s nice waking up to this thanks broski 💯😁

[@yes8032]

Best new bmw coupe imo

[@MehmetArslan-cc3zo]

You should def drive that GL63 Amg in the front of the yard

[@maxbuckwalter3458]

Very true about the clutch delay valve, it’s hard to get consistent quick up shifts.

[@adam964]

Agreed. Had the same issues on the Golf R I used to have. Removed it within a week of taking delivery and really transforms the driving experience.

[@TarzanGTI]

@@adam964 it was especially annoying as a novice manual driver. I bought a MK7 GTI as my first car and it was a lot harder to grasp even though I had a few hours of practice in a Civic Si. Gonna do the delay valve and swirl valve deletes and add a clutch stop soon.

[@adam964]

@@TarzanGTI hopefully you'll find the delay valve delete as beneficial as I did. Best sub $50 mod ever!

[@AdelJeffreyJeffreysAuto]

Hey Tedward fan here!! Your pov inspired me to do my own and im new to it. Which setting should i use on my hero8 black? I couldnt even get the crisp footage like yours even though i did the setting you recomended 1440p @60fps ,Hypersmooth ON, Shutter Auto. What wrong i did here?

[@RichJ_youtube]

Sounds like rev hang on upshifts. Can that be tuned out?

[@siddharthsharma8940]

Yes

[@bbbt8090]

If this was my second car and I tracked it then I would want the manual but I prefer the dct for traffic

[@hadytarabay]

I was going to ask you if you consider replacing your M3 with this in the future.... and I got the answer automatically at the end.... Glad I didn’t skip it😅

[@importhackulicity8220]

This almost makes me eager for fall/winter again. Maybe. I should be getting my ND3 prime time for the 40 degree weather 😆

[@Slowcarfastbeans]

This car definitely ate the chocolate cake .

[@DJDUNLOP1]

I was hoping for some comparison with the older M2, have you got any comments on the differences between the two? Thanks 👍

[@kimemaru7650]

Ayyyy Tedward reviewing my ride

[@carolyngaulin8297]

Thanks for sharing I been using my stepbrother s Subaru Outback trying to start paying off my student loans but still have more to learn I work at Pfizer I going to University of Lowell Going for my degree for chemical engineering it's been taking most of all my time ! I enjoy your channel very much !

[@stevelubbe7235]

Tell us more about yourself. Where did you go to highschool, what do you plan to wear each day for the next year, what did you get for Christmas…

[@bfielder9097]

Idk, I've always heard there's always so much more at Lover's Lane.

[@danieleregoli812]

I think the M2 is in actual fact the new M3. You know what I mean.

[@tonymcflattie2450]

I like to hit that 1 - 2 so hard though! Never got on with the manual in the m2 and m235i

[@freemaysin5088]

drives a working BMW, see's a broken down BMW. Ahhh...... full circle.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

I was ready to tear into BMW for the pricing on this, but it seems in line for it's performance. There aren't many options available as it seems like they fully equip it. $59k. Also, hat tip to whomever at BMW decided that cloth seats are a better choice for seating. Now please propagate that as available/standard choice up and down the line, or at least let us custom order it that way.

[@nessuno5403]

What? There are no cloth seats for this. Or is that your point?

[@aaromon43]

awesome car but no reason for the short final drive. 3k @ 80mph is unacceptable with modern tech & current gas prices.

[@y0Jinxeeh]

I'm looking to pick up an M2 for myself this year (granted I want the original M2, not the competition). How do you think these cars drive during winter? I never had a RWD before and I'm unsure if I should drive it all year around or pick up some old cheap car to drive during winter and stay safe. Really unsure what to do in this aspect.

[@stevelubbe7235]

You need proper tires if you get snow. If it has summer tires, they do not work in the snow. If you live in a heavy snow area and plan to use the m2, you will NEED snow tires. You probably minimally need all season tires. I have a m2 manual but have 5 total cares and would not drive my m2 in the snow(Michelin Pilot Super Sport summer tires).

[@ShaiyanHossain]

those analog gauges look so much better than the new digital ones imo

[@nessuno5403]

They're semi-optoelectric... when you turn the lights off, the panel goes almost all black except for the silver rings and needles. The bottom right corner along with the centre section is also fully digital (including that small "efficiency" gauge).

[@toyotavenzaguy2499]

When I grow up, I want a car like this since I want a manual car as a first car. Best sounding M2!

[@armenghazaryan2081]

sad that most of cars will be evs:(

[@nessuno5403]

Part of the sound is digitized in the cabin

[@pascutia]

What a nice surprise!! I love this car too!

[@anthonyt4981]

so glad I disabled the fake engine noise. I do not miss that.

[@pottersi]

How is this little BMW so heavy?? A GT350R is a huge car comparatively, yet only weighs 100 lb more than this thing.

[@benclement7569]

Mdm is one click of the traction button

[@nessuno5403]

Or long press for all OFF

[@maddihudson8982]

Sweet drive, man.

[@JarnoScw]

Why would you even think about not getting the manual?

[@the-ultimate-mo9177]

Yea if you live in LA like me. You need dct. The shifts in the dct are brutal tho, feels more like a race car with dct. The way it shifts in auto mode is insane as well. (If you press dsc button instead of hood it goes into Mdm mode).

[@matth6284]

I think a CVT in this would be perfect

[@almightyretrosoul]

🤨

[@matth6284]

@@almightyretrosoul 😂

[@Rudolphe_]

Autobahn USA ftw.

[@ahkeen]

Oh man this sold quick

[@wh00t14]

Is it possible to change the transmission to a better one ? One as good as the civic type r ? I don't know much about mechanic to know if it's possible or if even if a better transmission kit exists for this car.

[@moh3701]

Please test drive the Audi A3/S3 saloon manual

[@ArchdukeAnderson]

Hmmm, seems like Ol' Teddy is having trouble smoothly shifting in this car. I appreciate that it has a manual, and that's great, but is it a crummy transmission?

[@flatf3057]

if you didnt read the disclaimer partway through the video: The Clutch Delay Valve is what's doing it. A lot of manual BMWs have this and most are modded to disable that

[@m095730]

6MT or bust

[@lvkas595]

Missing the M stiching on the shiftknob but its a really nice Car

[@nouraalkhlidy8583]

Please make video manual vs dct rolling race I never saw it before

[@timothybracken1728]

Do people drive on summer tires in the winter?

[@karloanttila]

Pro Tip: Avoid crossing your hands when making a turn; you lose some control over your steering precision. Keep them at around 10-2 at most times.