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@carlosgreen4375 Жыл бұрын
I believe that the Eru created melkor to have that unstoppable desire to change things. That is the only way real motion can be made . There was an endgame to the Eru plan. Melkor and Manwe was the two top agents to get to that endgame. This is why this lore is so good .
@Pixis12 жыл бұрын
The spirits of Sauron and Saruman being blown away by a wind from the West is such a cool image. I wish it had been included in the movies.
@johnnycage1122 жыл бұрын
Just Saruman after he's killed would have done it.
@bfkc1112 жыл бұрын
Sauron takes the form of a giant fist or something, maybe they didn't think they could translate it. But actually they didn't even count on getting the fall of Barad-dur properly included, but someone voluntarily made it over Christmas on his own, more or less (it was some story like that).
@Pixis12 жыл бұрын
@@bfkc111 He takes the shape of a huge shadowy figure with its hand outstretched. But then the West Wind blows the shadow away. I think it could have looked really cool in the movie.
@RustyShackleford_2 жыл бұрын
Wikipedia has a watercolor of this made by Tolkien en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauron
@istari02 жыл бұрын
Manwë's greatest "flaw" was his inability to really understand evil and I think that explains a lot about some of the things the Valar did that seem terrible to us humans, who experience it regularly. I also think Manwë was limited in some ways about what he could do by Eru Ilúvatar's instructions. I can just imagine Manwë coming to a council of the Valar and telling the rest of them that Eru vetoed their plan.
@joebrdr10 ай бұрын
Very strongly agree
@hendrikgreiner84492 жыл бұрын
Personally, i do like that Manwes one flaw is that he is not really able to understand evil. So he sees or wants to see the best in all people, and he does not punish unless people have fallen and basically doomed themselves before it. He does not even really punish Sauron and Saruman in itself by direct action, but once they fall and would want to return, he rejects their ways and leaves them be on the path they have chosen themselves. In my eyes, thats the definition that he thinks about mercy, but is not foolish that he gives mercy at all costs.
@boogienightsmarkwahlberg60112 жыл бұрын
Thats called a lack of leadership and having poor judgement, very bad qualities in a leader.
@nightingalecat2 жыл бұрын
Not being a dictator and letting them make ther own choices is not poor leadership, it is respecting free will. You cannot force "good" on people.
@matthiascerebri3315 Жыл бұрын
And in the case of Melkor its the opposite way
@michaelanderson77777 ай бұрын
to know Benevolence one must understand True Evil.
@johnopalko52232 жыл бұрын
Why does "... and Debbie" always put such a smile on my face? Please, never stop saying that.
@pendragon20122 жыл бұрын
Love Manwe. I think there's some Catholic background here to Manwe being analogous to Saint Michael the Archangel and obviously Melkor to Lucifer. I heard once a tradition that while Lucifer was the greatest of the angels, Michael surprised him by being stronger than expected and thus was granted leadership of the armies of Heaven.
@benjaminallen33712 жыл бұрын
Well, Tolkien _was_ a staunch Catholic.
@pendragon20122 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminallen3371 Oh I know. Just drawing attention to another, less noticed, way it influenced his writings. 🙂
@monkeymoment64782 жыл бұрын
Yeah you can definitely see the Catholic influences, although him blending it with the pagan lore he took inspiration from ended up creating something reminiscent of Zoroastrianism, at least in my opinion.
@NicholasHEADSHOT2 жыл бұрын
@@monkeymoment6478 Then it comes full circle, because judaism (and by extention, christianism and catholicism) had greatly influenced by zoroastrianism
@shogun08102 жыл бұрын
Tolkien literally bases his universe on large parts of Christianity. The fact that these fat black female dwarfs can't see that is part of the problem. It's a massive part of why the show was completely ass
@GeraldM_inNC2 жыл бұрын
Regarding Melkor's escape from The Void, I believe that it will be brought about by worship of him and human sacrifice to him. I think that is what Sauron was trying to accomplish in Numenor. I would go further and say that all of Sauron's actions after Melkor's defeat were motivated by the desire to free Melkor, not by Sauron's lust for personal power. Sauron was chained to Melkor's will, and lived for the purpose of serving and reviving him. He seems to have know of, or suspected the existence of, some form of actions that could free him from his prison -- just as Babidi the Wizard freed Majin Buu in Dragon Ball.
@TheSilverOrn2 жыл бұрын
There are two schools of thought for me, one is that Sauron was indeed doing that as a loyal follower, but the other is that he was being ironic and using the name Melkor as yet another alias to cover himself
@thetruemonarch93542 жыл бұрын
I always had that same thought, that maybe these things function sort of like great old ones, the more people who know of them and focus worship on them, the more power they gain. I kind of like Sauron being in a word, pathetic, and his imitating Melkor as well as everything else is basically him going "Notice me senpai!" or in this case "Come back from the timeless void, senpai!". In keeping with needless DBZ references, it is similar to how Freeza is essentially an imitation of his father only far more chaotic.
@GeraldM_inNC2 жыл бұрын
@@thetruemonarch9354 Were you referring to Lovecraft's gods? If so, that is a very appropriate comparison.
@guylambo16732 жыл бұрын
0:51 "when melkor created his discord" man is literally the first of the discord mods
@sgtpaloogoo28112 жыл бұрын
Of course
@jaybreakfield65982 жыл бұрын
Manwe is by far the coolest Valar aside Ulmo and Tulkas the Strong 💪! Great job and hope you’re well 🍀
@zacharycollins94852 жыл бұрын
Shoot! It was Manwës' eagles that saved everybody's asses like 4 or 5 times. Manwë himself really didn't do a damn thing except sit in his ivory tower of Taniquetil! 🤘😋
@goransekulic36712 жыл бұрын
Tulkas is obviously the coolest. I mean, it's the Valar form of Hulk Hogan lol. :)
@jaybreakfield65982 жыл бұрын
@@goransekulic3671 that’s True Tulkas scared Melkor and chained his ass up lol! Skin of a hot dog Hogan lol! Great read 😉
@Greendalewitch2 жыл бұрын
@@zacharycollins9485 To be fair, the eagles are the heralds and messengers of Manve and have aided elves and men on his orders a few times, such as when Fingon saved Meaegor from that cliff he hung from because Manve felt pity for the elves and sent Thorondor to help. That being said, Manve is a huge hypocrite. He preaches about good rising out of evil and yet he and the rest of the valar are removed from said evil in the land of Aman.
@Traitorsaviour2 жыл бұрын
So the opening scene of the two towers, where we pan over and through the mists and mountains to the sound of Gandalf battling the balrog could just be the sight of Manwe and hearing of Varda as they check in on one of the Istari?
@davidlundquist19792 жыл бұрын
I'd never thought of it that way, but that makes a lot of sense.
@MarvinT06062 жыл бұрын
Varda: Honey I think I hear one of the Istari getting beat up by a Balrog Manwe: That's it, I'm calling dad
@JesusFriedChrist2 жыл бұрын
It’s entirely possible and potentially a little Easter egg by Jackson, intentional or not.
@PedroAbilleira2 жыл бұрын
It's true in my heart, now.
@connorhilchie27792 жыл бұрын
Manwė gave Melkor 3000 years to think on his actions and see the wrong He didn't know all he had done was give Melkor time to stew and to plan his revenge
@cookergronkberg2 жыл бұрын
This brings a single tear of great sorrow to my eye. Such an honourable action that was unfortunately repaid with unthinkable evil.
@BM-wf9uf2 жыл бұрын
Manwe seems hopelessly naive to me.
@tabby_cat2 жыл бұрын
@@BM-wf9uf how can he be naive if Melkor is the first evil the world has ever known? And Melkor had never hidden his actions or intentions before: he tried force and displays of power first, not deception.
@BM-wf9uf2 жыл бұрын
@@tabby_cat Manwe should have banished Melkor after the first war between the Valar.
@tristanpelkey91092 жыл бұрын
@@BM-wf9uf Did you forget that Melkor was his Brother? I dunno about you but his decision makes more sense when you consider it was a Trial for his own Blood. Plus offering the chance for forgiveness seems like something Eru would do being that Manwë is most like in mind to Eru it fits him
@PurdyGood2 жыл бұрын
Your videos have inspired me to pick up my own novels again, and of course, take a much larger interest in the Tolkien world. But I’ve felt much joy lately with my own writing and I definitely have you and these awesome videos to thank 🧡🖤
@caspianboi2 жыл бұрын
The way you pronounce Middle-Earthen names, places and terms is incredible, a work of art and always the highlight of my week and I am sure, many Tolkien fans alike. Thank you always for your outstanding work.
@shogun08102 жыл бұрын
Middle earthen Omegalul
@Beryllahawk2 жыл бұрын
One of the best of the Valar, for sure. Looking forward to hearing about the rest as well, I do hope you plan to cover at least the major figures of Valinor! Mandos ought to be fascinating and I really, really want to learn about the lady-Valar as well!
@jimantonino43942 жыл бұрын
Manwe got valar of the year, like 1000 years in a row. Love this stuff!
@AndrewCarlisle11B2 жыл бұрын
The West Wind is really interesting and curious how it would have looked in the films. Great job as always, Matt!
@teleportedbreadfor3days2 жыл бұрын
It’s kind of sad that Olorin was the only one faithful to his mission, since it is obvious a Maia who serves Manwë would. But at least not all of the Istari turned to evil.
@valentinkambushev49682 жыл бұрын
I don't know Radagast was probably faithful to the mission given to him by Yavanna.
@ArawnOfAnnwn2 жыл бұрын
@@valentinkambushev4968 He wasn't. Saruman was led astray by pride and ambition, Radagast by love and distraction. But both were led astray, just one more harmlessly so.
@marcheskitv2 жыл бұрын
We do know that Radagast and Saruman failed their missions, but Tolkien is rather vague on whether the two blue wizards actually succeeded at their task or not. Older renditions say they failed, while newer works are rather optimistic.
@MarvinT06062 жыл бұрын
Olorin was the only one faithful to his mission *to return to Valinor by ship*. Let's not discount the possibility that the Blue Wizards sent by Orome stayed faithful to their cause- just that they ran into more trouble than they could handle.
@zraebiel16732 жыл бұрын
Love these lore videos. Always very interesting and well explained. Great job with all the research and pronouncing all the names.
@johanabigasova67702 жыл бұрын
Manwë Súlimo aka Elder king, the Ruler of Arda(information from The Silmarillion), Lord of the Breath of Arda, etc. He has strongest will in Eä, even Melkor could not affect him. He's my hero.
@SMT7292 жыл бұрын
Ulmo, Mandos, Aule, Manwe are my favourite valars.....in that order. Tulkas gets an honorable mention ! 💪
@thekeefer6902 жыл бұрын
Manwe is the equivalent of Metatron in the court of angels, interesting how Tolkien paralleled this figure to him in many ways.
@BrianDanford722 жыл бұрын
I continue to love your content! I'd love to see a series that gives some more insight into the early days of the kingdoms of Cardolan, Arthedain, and Rhudaur after the death of Earendur. There doesn't seem to be much out there, and what I can find is often conflicting.
@joecarlson64282 жыл бұрын
Your videos always help understand the various characters and events in the various ages. Thank you.
@paulrhome61642 жыл бұрын
The same thing happened to Feanor when he died, though it was the ashes of his body being blown away by the west wind, not his spirit. Since he apparently needs to be around for the Dagor Dagorath I guess they couldn't banish his soul, but it was like the Valar saying we would if we could.
@Aleph35752 жыл бұрын
@The Greenish Knight I believe Feanor is forced into the Halls of Waiting (the Halls of Mandos) alone until the end of time, never to reincarnate like other elves sometimes did, for his crimes against the Valar and his own people.
@paulrhome61642 жыл бұрын
@@Aleph3575 If the prophecy of the last battle is correct, he needs to be around in some form to break open the Silmarils to restore the light of the Trees.
@Greendalewitch2 жыл бұрын
@@paulrhome6164 Well, Christopher Tolkien originally removed The Second Prophecy of Mandos from the published version of the Silmarillion, thinking his father had abandoned the idea, but he later re-instated the prophecy on the grounds that he had mistaken his fathers intentions. The very last lines of The Fall of Gondolin re introduce the prophecy of Mandos into the canon. As for Feanor to return, I personally believe he is that stubborn and close minded, that it will take all of eternity for him to see his ways and be released from the lies of Morgoth and become again who he truly was in the beginning. Only then will he return and crack open the Silmarils.
@Butterflypegasus405 ай бұрын
The return of morgoth is Feanor's chance to finally redeem himself
@valentinkambushev49682 жыл бұрын
Men: Who is your favorite? Manwë: I love you both equally! Men: (walk away.) Manwë: (pulls the elves to him) It's you... and by a lot!
@IudiciumInfernalum2 жыл бұрын
I got the feeling Eru loves us more though.
@luizhenriquesuperti8428 Жыл бұрын
@@IudiciumInfernalum really? How come?
@el_chico1313 Жыл бұрын
@@luizhenriquesuperti8428 we have the "gift" of death.... what love aint it....
@Jamoni111 ай бұрын
I love in "Fellowship" (the movie) when Galadriel is all "The elves, wisest and fairest of all beings" and I'm all, "We gonna skip over that part where you murdered each other for thousands of years over some shiny rocks?"
@kakae44392 жыл бұрын
Tolkien's mythos is beautiful
@della_marsh2 жыл бұрын
Manwë undoubtedly did a lot for Arda,he is actually a ruler of all living beings after Eru..But his Eagles,that appeared in movies are like "eagles in bushes")))
@redwood30362 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, your channel is my favorite of all time and I look forward to each and every video! Since Christmas is coming up, could you make a video exploring the races of middle earth and their equivalents to Christmas or other holidays? Thanks!!
@kirbymarchbarcena2 жыл бұрын
The breath of Manwe does not need Listerine to refresh and give hope to the weary
@leonardoastros2 жыл бұрын
Just a tip. As far as I know, in the fields of Pelennor, the wind that brings the hope comes from South. Because it was not only removing the clouds of Sauron, but also bringing the ships of Aragorn
@rdc8089 Жыл бұрын
Manwe, it seems to me, is like the St. Michael of Tolkien's universe ... not in every way of course, but there are plenty of referential similarities.
@bertsverld61262 жыл бұрын
Thanks nerd. I needed something like this. A master piece.
@yunusemresahin64302 жыл бұрын
This is beautiful. It is so refreshing to watch your videos when I need a dose of Ea. Thank you friend.
@hikeandphoto25212 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I had that thought myself about the "west wind" on Lord of the Rings on these 3 occasions. Also during the course of Aragorn with the corsair ships a wind helped them to arrive faster ,as I recall.
@christopherjustice6411 Жыл бұрын
I live in Kansas. It gets pretty windy here. So I like to joke that Manwe is our patron Valar.
@awesomehpt89382 жыл бұрын
Manwe is the Man! Way to go!
@CelestQB2 жыл бұрын
Please do Eonwe next! I need to know who the most powerful Maiar spirit is. Eonwe or Sauron.
@arnaudlafortune88792 жыл бұрын
I would really like to know what is the music that plays in the bakground of the video. Most of all the one that starts at 1:28
@datboi78932 жыл бұрын
same
@calebveerman95742 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, hope your doing well. I was wondering if you could make a video on the religion of middle earth/Arda. I think it would make a great video, plus, for school ive been assigned a presentation of a religion/worldview of my choice, and i have always loved Tolkin's world ever since ive read the book, and most recently when I read the Silmarillion. Good day sir.
@Road2Med2 жыл бұрын
What’s the first song/music used around 0:00 to 0:30?
@davidgoldsworthy16402 жыл бұрын
Hard to believe manwe is only now just getting his video
@shogun08102 жыл бұрын
Not really. The channel has been too busy shilling for Amazon. Cringe.
@Jayjay-qe6um2 жыл бұрын
In earlier versions of the legendarium Manwe and Varda were called with the title Wanwavoisi and they were conceived as the parents of Eonwe (called Fionwe Urion) and Ilmare (called Erinti). Tolkien later abandoned this idea of the Children of the Valar.
@kirandeepchakraborty79212 жыл бұрын
"With a Heart as pure as Manwë."
@nug4table2 жыл бұрын
love your content, bingin it for days :-) , there is one thing that i think would fit to your style of story telling with pictures. Ai ghenerated pictures could vastly improve the visual aspect of your videos. ai text to image , look up stable diffusion
@shehansenanayaka3046 Жыл бұрын
We know it takes a lot of time and hard work to make these videos. So we always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos.
@JoJo-nt5hr2 жыл бұрын
Manwe is so cool!! (but Ulmo is better). Thanks for the video! ❤❤
@JoJo-nt5hr2 жыл бұрын
@@donpula6349 Then again it makes sense that Manwe wouldn't leave Valinor to aid in the War of Wrath like the other Valar because of the prophecy of Mandos that says he won't leave until Dagor Dagorath. He is also the most powerful of the Valar, and his eagles are pretty cool. But overall, Ulmo is just a more intriguing character; especially the aspect of mystery and solitude he embraces, living alone at the bottom of the ocean.
@x3z9422 жыл бұрын
The Sad notes in the song are necessary Is call living death anger and so Melchor and his stanzas were treated unjustly by those unable to understand his nature
@smeagol920552 жыл бұрын
Manwë got admin privileges on the Discord
@valentinkambushev49682 жыл бұрын
Ulmo: -Helps the free peoples as much as he can. -Even when his advices are ignored, he still helps. -Respects both men and elves. Manwë: - Sits on his fat butt all day. - Sends the eagles to do useful stuff from time to time. - Only likes elves (and only those that live in Valinor). Who is the better Valar?
@patinezpl53452 жыл бұрын
Aüle cuz he created the dwarves, I like the dwarves :P
@zawwin18462 жыл бұрын
Yea, No. Manwe is still boss. Manwe does not sit on his butt all day. He works to help the children of Eru in his own way. His intervention is more subtle and works so the children are not dependent on the Valar. He loves ALL children of Eru, and works in the shadows to set up the foundation for the age of men.
@ShyamAndBillie2 жыл бұрын
Ulmo is far better but the best is Tulkas. And Manwe ofcourse is the worst, even than Melkor, Manwe never did anything, he was always incompetent
@current93002 жыл бұрын
I think Manwë's general inaction is pretty well justified, considering that whenever he does direct interventions it results in stuff like entire Beleriand being devastated and sunken to the sea.
@grassblock76682 жыл бұрын
"Doesn't understand evil" Does it take rocket science to understand that torture is bad? Come on.
@anurag69922 жыл бұрын
Make a video on ulmo and tulkas and on varda yavanna and nienna and mandos
@franciscordon923016 күн бұрын
Fascinating, thanks!
@anti030held62 жыл бұрын
0:51 Didn't knew Melkor had a Discord Server. Can I join plz?
@Geniusgen472 жыл бұрын
Great channel, I am currently plowing through all videos. But I must say your voice makes me think of voice actor Jesse McCartney somehow.
@Tier1GearEDCReviews2 жыл бұрын
Imagine being the king of everything under Eru and being absolutely oblivious to his brothers evil deeds.
@goransekulic36712 жыл бұрын
Just to reiterate, that's some nice pronunciation you've got there. Two things though, one I am certain of: 1. Aerie is pronounced differently iirc. 2. Gandalf is pronounced like Gandalv. Tokien didn't care much about these sizzly sounds at the end of words. Besides, it is Gand + Alf and I believe it was originally really pronounced as Alv, not as Alf. But this is really deep. Be as it may, Appendix E says it is Gandalv(similar to Nindalv or Fladriv - this has a really soft first "F"). What do you think?
@alexmercer77832 жыл бұрын
can you make history of Angband ( in third age )
@Snowkitty14242 жыл бұрын
Thank you SO much for showing and talking about the Eagles 😍🥰 Made My day and night lol So thank you so much again for cheering me up 🦅🦅🦅
@michaelanderson77777 ай бұрын
Manwë ❤
@StrandsOfDestiny2 жыл бұрын
Hi Nerd of the Rings, can you do a video about all the horns being used/mentioned in LOTR lore? We already had all sorts of video about characters, even swords, but not horns!! Pls do one!!
@dwinkel2 жыл бұрын
Who does the art for these? It is amazing!
@davidcoppock19012 жыл бұрын
When are you coming out with a full season review for Rings of Power?
@megoo57 Жыл бұрын
That’s so sad brother but also his brother is the first dark Lord
@stephendevon18872 жыл бұрын
I would love it if you can tell the story on eonwe
@TolkienAnswers2 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling Ulmo is coming next...
@ShyamAndBillie2 жыл бұрын
Manwe is like Sweet of GTA San Andreas, even though he is the king, he never did anything and was weak and incompetent
@valentinkambushev49682 жыл бұрын
Ulmo is CJ for he constantly has to deal with everyone else's bulls#$%.
@ShyamAndBillie2 жыл бұрын
@@valentinkambushev4968 and Saruman is OG Loc!
@MrSIDEKICKER52 жыл бұрын
Melkor is big smoke 😂
@rikweeds23062 жыл бұрын
These references are hilarious
@midimusicforever2 жыл бұрын
Banger!
@hazbojangles26812 жыл бұрын
I would get along very well with him as we share a love of poetry!
@johnortiz54262 жыл бұрын
Dude! Where did you get that screenshot of Theoden looking upon Minas Tirith?
@asfawhagos59092 жыл бұрын
so he is Michael?
@usamanasir55512 жыл бұрын
Bro we need a video on Elu Thingol.... Plz....
@gunner9472 жыл бұрын
hey guys! i have a question. was Tingol Thranduil`s ancestor?
@istari02 жыл бұрын
From what I have read, probably not. Thingol's only child was Lúthien and her only child was Dior. Neither Thranduil or his father Oropher show up in any genealogical table for any of these characters that I have seen.
@Jim-Mc2 жыл бұрын
Some have said Michael. But I think he also has attributes in common with Zeus/Jupiter. Except in a world where the gods were still serving the Most High, Illuvatar.
@michaelsavage78842 жыл бұрын
Wonder what Manwe thought of Orcs?
@colinecharpy16172 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about Elbereth?
@fofoleveon5 ай бұрын
If you blame Feanor for what has happened. We can also blame Manwe. Setting Morgoth free was one of his biggest mistakes. Yes, Manwe is so kind. He is what he is. Feanor is also what he is.
@neeladrirao90552 жыл бұрын
is the west wind that blows away sauron connected to the west wind in the lament of boromir
@bauglir2462 Жыл бұрын
Melkor should have just opted to live extravagantly yet quietly and peacefully, at least he won’t waste his powers away and build his mansion facing the void..
@JustaNilbody2 жыл бұрын
Will you be making videos on the female Valar as well?
@dumont-anichinapeojos8970 Жыл бұрын
So it is actually Manwë who keep eyes on middle earth with his eagles, and helped during First Age, Second Age and Third Age
@theadventureofthefellowship2 жыл бұрын
Love the story 👍
@TarMody2 жыл бұрын
I think Manwë has been unfairly criticized for his inability to understand evil like a human.
@spencerratzlaff18612 жыл бұрын
The only issue i ever have in thses videos is how you pronounce Eru's name its IlluVata (if you were to pronounce it) look up how Tolkien accented those letters in the Elvish script. Also the first Silmarillion audiobook was by someone(forget his name) who was taught the pronunciations by Tolkien himself.
@joshualittle8772 жыл бұрын
While your absolutely correct about your pronunciation the narrator your refer to Martin Shaw, while he is in my opinion one of the best narrators of such material that exists anywhere( love the guys work my personal opinion) it's doubtful he even met let alone studied under him. Shaws career began in 1967. The first Silmarillion audio book was released in 1983 and Tolkein died in 1973. Though he died in 1973 he retired completely from teaching in 1959 at least 8 years prior to that narrators career even beginning. Beyond all that the biggest piece of evidence to disprove your statement is that JRR Tolkein neither 100% wrote the Silmarillion nor did he publish it. His son Christoper assembled the Silmarillion from a pile of discombobulated notes his father left behind. JRR Tolkein himself would have rolled in his grave had he found out it was published and he would have danced like an angry cat on a hot tin roof after watching even 5 seconds of ROP. It is for that very reason the Tolkein family resisted selling the rights for so damn long. Christoper Tolkein sued New Line Cinema because he disliked the PJ films so much. I could believe, in the sense it would at least have been physically possible that Christoper Tolkein might have had involvement in picking a narrarator for the Audiobook and even training that narrator because he carried deeply about getting it right but I have never seen any evidence to support that theory.
@Novusod2 жыл бұрын
@@joshualittle877 " he would have danced like an angry cat on a hot tin roof after watching even 5 seconds of ROP. " Probably not. Tolkien was alive to have seen the 1966 animated version of the Hobbit. It is was a lot worse then ROP.
@joshualittle8772 жыл бұрын
@@Novusod That tells neither me nor anyone else who reads your comment anything but a misinformed opinion. Tolkein was indeed alive in 1966 and though we don't know for sure and he never that I know of made a single public comment on that 1966 animated film he probably would have hated it far less than either the PJ projects and certainly would have despised the Amazon show. We can understand what JRR Tolkein would have disliked about any of these projects from his son Christoper who was the closest collaborator to Tokein Sr. when it came to his work. His son was his sounding board and chief critic. It is Christoper and everyone else in the family except Simon Tolkein that fought against selling the rights and prevented anyone from making such a film. This was based both on his father's wishes and his own. Specifically Christoper, who has also passed away now hated the PJ films because they were turned into what he viewed as a typical Hollywood action film that pondered to the masses and lacked the depth of his father's work. As much as I did like the PJ films all six, Christoper is correct on all counts. The PJ films at least were a very honest effort by people who truly appreciated and were fans of Tolkeins work. Christoper Lee met Tolkein in a pub( as I already said) and began reading LOTR and all Tolkeins work in 1950 and has famously read it at least once a year till the year he died and narrated one of Christofers later books "The Children of Hurin". There were things in those movies that Lee and Jackson fought over and Lee had to be coaxed back to do the Hobbit. So yes Tolkein would have 200% dispised the Amazon show because it not only lacks depth but is devoid of it. This says nothing about the total character assassination of Charaters like Galadrial. Tolkein published LOTR in 1950 and began writing it in 1945 completing it in 1949. He published the Hobbit earlier in 1937. He originally wrote it as a children's story for his son. As his son would have been about 13 in 1937 it's very likely that he wrote the story many years earlier and only published it in 1937. What would a few years after his death be published as the Silmarillion he began work on in the trenches of WWI specifically during the Battle of the Somme in 1916. He had several ideas for this project but at least one was that it was sort of a framework to draw other stories from. If we can think of LOTR as a contrived mythology for the Anglo Saxons that they lacked the Silmarillion can be looked at as a Mythology within the story for its charachters. It's not strictly supposed to be a strict cannon and Tolkein would probably not liked that people seem to treat it thus. The Hobbit was not originally when Tolkein published the story and certainly not when he told it to Christopher at all a part of either of those works it had originally no connection what so ever. It is for this reason even when done by PJ in a very similar style and with some of the same characters as in LOTR it still had a different feel to it. What I'm saying is that Tolkein re wrote and edited the Hobbit to fit better with LOTR prior to publishing it in 1950 and the 1966 movie was more than likely done to preserve that earlier version of the story written strictly for young children it's also why the later Animated films by Rankin Bass were much more child oriented. The first attempt to produce a more adult version was the 1978 Ralph Bakshi version produced at the same time as the Rankin Bass films The Hobbit and Return of the King as well as the release of the Silmarillion. The story was very popular in the 1970s even before any major Hollywood production. Because of the audience it was geared toward( it's original intended audience I don't think Tokein would have disliked that 1966 Cartoon as much as you might think even if we do.
@shogun08102 жыл бұрын
@@Novusod it absolutely wasn't. Mainly because it wasn't focused on having identity politics in it. Another thing Tolkien despised and never wanted near or injected into his work.
@Novusod2 жыл бұрын
@@joshualittle877 From what I know of Tolkien is that he really hated Walt Disney and didn't want his stories to be sugar coated. He ended up selling the rights to the Hobbit which how the 1966 version ended up being made. There was also a time when the Beatles where pursuing the rights to make a live action version of LOTR. Tolkien was open to the Beatles version but the project fell through for other reasons. From these events it can be inferred that Tolkien would not have minded a pop culture version of LOTR existing which is what ROP is. To me the idea that Tolkien would have been terribly upset over ROP is not likely. If he wasn't upset over the 1966 version of the Hobbit and entertained allowing the Beatles to make a live action version of LOTR then I don't think he would have cared about ROP either.
@Frahamen2 жыл бұрын
wait Melkor has a discord server??
@mackal2 жыл бұрын
What is the art at 3:41?
@Hajduk_12 жыл бұрын
I just noticed you are at 880k subs congrats!
@shogun08102 жыл бұрын
The power of shilling for Amazon 🤷♂️
@RayRaven2 жыл бұрын
So I notice that it's often mention that Melkor is sealed "Until the end of the world", so at some point WOULD he be released? Is this mentioned in any of the lore for the end of the world?
@istari02 жыл бұрын
At one point Tolkien started writing the prophecy he called the Dagor Dagorath, which was similar to Ragnarok from Norse mythology. In it, Morgoth was able to escape from the Void where the Valar had imprisoned him and trigger the final battle. Once done, the 2nd Music of the Ainur would occur and the world would be renewed.
@RayRaven2 жыл бұрын
@@istari0 ah that's really interesting, thank you so much for the reply!
@phoule762 жыл бұрын
that's another JRRT parallel / echo I hadn't realized: the 9 greatest Valar reduced to 8, just like the Nazgul once the Witch King fell, or the Fellowship once Gandalf fell.
@nightelf92152 жыл бұрын
Angelina Jolie without makeup 2:40 🙃
@planepantsgames17912 жыл бұрын
Tulkas kicks ass and gets the girl. He's the greatest
@anthonyhanks18072 жыл бұрын
Just imagine if Manwe came to battle Morgoth instead of thorondor
@valentinkambushev49682 жыл бұрын
Manwë is too big of a wuss to do it!
@echuidor2 жыл бұрын
He did. In the War for the Sake of the Elves, Manwë literally thundered down upon Utumno
@anthonyhanks18072 жыл бұрын
@@valentinkambushev4968 well they are brothers so i can see why, but morgoth is more a coward.
@valentinkambushev49682 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyhanks1807 both of them are wusses.
@IudiciumInfernalum2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyhanks1807 Morgoth alone of all the Valar knows fear.
@najahn77532 жыл бұрын
Nice vidio
@ParanoidPixel2 жыл бұрын
Manwe know Taniqua too?! I luv that bish
@EASPORTS2K92 жыл бұрын
“Created his discord” PepeKEKW
@zico7392 жыл бұрын
The true King of the World.
@aksharthakor669810 ай бұрын
What's background music?
@omarramirez58482 жыл бұрын
I think you should show when you are quoting the Silmarillion vs your own explanations
@MrGradler Жыл бұрын
When Manwe can see through mist and darkness, is he also able to see even through the darkness created by Ungoliant?
@timweiner79902 жыл бұрын
Does anyone have a public invite for Melkor's Discord?
@pohordebbarma4505 Жыл бұрын
Do valar have wings
@milosstevanovic41172 жыл бұрын
You do great series of video abouth Morgoth. Pleace dou the same to ERU ILUVATAR video explain. Thanx