Many Items From Classic Are Still Amazing in TBC!

[@user-tz5uq2bt1s]

This is why Burning Crusade felt like an EXPANSION on the game. It added new stuff without taking things away. All of your old stuff still works, and some of it is still super valuable.

[@vinnregi4882]

chill, it's just a couple of items. That's like, not even 5% of your character. At best

[@pisnami3869]

Shadafakap

[@TheFancyKyle]

I didn't know Gnomes were native to the sea, but WillE has shown us otherwise.

[@kekichsimon]

Just FYI, the elixir of demonslaying also works as ranged attack power, so hunter will also use them

[@Snackybox]

I'm WillE excited for TBC :)))))

[@BR0DUDEMAN]

More trolling videos mr box plz

[@nightzebra]

I think we’d be ok with a longer video. That’s just me

[@MrSp0iler]

WillE delivers on his promise- subscribe as there will be plenty more. So lets let him have his own pace. But yeah, I would watch 2 hour video instead of 10 minute one. But WillEs videos arent random background with talking- he makes what is on screen synced with what he is talking about. Only way I would see for those 2 hour videos happening is if somebody from audience would help WillE with syncing, footage, ect.

[@Kaioken757]

Don't forget about Glyph of Deflection from Sapphiron. It's nearly equal to the Gnomeregan Autoblocker so you can save some badges. That was also good even into WotLK especially for bug tanking on Anub'arak in ToGC. Also Styleen's is a solid tanking trinket that has some staying power in the beginning tier of content.

[@exmaarmaca]

This always makes me chuckle in 1:36.

[@MitsisChris]

I am sure some1 will already say the above , but here it goes : thunderfury is like bis tanking item till end game tbc. No clue if u only added epic on the video , non the less amazing vid ty bro

[@fami2k1]

This is why TBC is the best expansion. Previous content was never made 100% obsolete like they are these days. You have reasons to visit the old world, even after hitting 70. Expansions don't feel like expansions anymore. They feel like early access game releases where you pay for a bare bones experience and have to wait for the game to be fully completed.

[@kasparlarsen6940]

Skull of Impending Doom can be used in arenas at level 70, pretty neat for healers to avoid gettin cc'd

[@ДмитрийБотух]

It's nerfed mid-TBC.

[@Ryanflees]

Rogue ZG class trinket is still very useful in TBC. It restores 40 energy in my memory. Still very charming trinket in arena.

[@TomasUjhelyi]

In terms of gear, I had a Warrior tank in full T3 go through the levelling process and still had a good portion of that gear at 70. The Defense trinket from Hellfire elite quest was the first item I replaced but the blues from the 70 normal dungeons (Slabs, Steamvaults, SH and TK) were sidegrades at best, kept just in case to mix around with the T3 gear to hit 490 Defense. Sun Eater was the first tank weapon I got and even then it was only just better than the Naxx one I had.

[@MaxMears]

Demon potions are gunna be very valuable for sure! If you're stockpiling them already you're doing good!

[@mariuscroitoru4983]

I dearly hope they make fresh servers so things like this can’t happen. Nobody knew jackshit when we were first playing tbc.

[@DerMef]

They're already fairly valuable since they require Gromsblood and Ghost Mushroom to make, two of the most expensive vanilla herbs. That price is going to become pretty ridiculous because nobody will want to farm vanilla herbs in TBC.

[@Viikktor]

@@DerMef DM:E runs actually remain quite viable as demonic runes will still be desired by healers. you know, a dungeon that contains both herbs for the potion.

[@adamtadamt]

@@Viikktor Yeah but then you need to be a herbalist on your healer when you probably should be going tailoring and ench/lw

[@yooowhatupribs]

@@mariuscroitoru4983 no. Tbc leveming was designed around Naxx gear and almost NOBODY got to experience that, instead they were replacing their gear with level 61 quest greens. People new things like FAP an LIP would still be used. It wasn't a secret

[@gioelecarratelli4593]

I'd point out the vanilla cenarion bags recipes, there's one for herbs (huge 30smt spaces) and one for enchanting as well. pretty hard to craft, but not terrible either

[@viktorwestman7583]

ZG weapon oils are still used in TBC. The oils that were introduced in TBC are actually worse statswise, especially the healing one. Also stratholme holy water can be used but they share CD with drums. I used them alot on my protection pally.

[@robertbarnhouse4867]

wolfshead helm for feral druids will still be used in TBC

[@Sil11235]

You can't swap gear during an Arena match in TBC. So no trinket switching. This was changed early on, because people were swapping to Shadow Resist gear to deal with Locks

[@spankyy101]

WillE, thanks for the great content as always. As mentioned below, Fetish of the Sandreaver (70% threat reduction for 20 secs) will still be very useful. Lifegiving gem for warriors will remain relevant forever. All the ZG trinkets will remains useful. Also niche defensive trinkets like Styleen’s. WillE, we hope you will be making these videos all the way through TBC classic too!

[@AlexFrost39]

My lvl 35 alchemy alt: Don't do that, don't give me hope.

[@ithiusdomino]

@Brian cough 68, cough cough

[@Themooman29]

Know what item is still good for most of tbc? At least for warlock. It’s nef’s tear. The amount of hit and sp on the item is BiS for warlocks until black temple comes out

[@thamirivonjaahri6378]

Scarab Brooch is so awsum it can easily justify its place in your inventory up until Sunwell. Oh them memories....

[@romel420]

LOL Portals deck! While it was never game-changing as far as my arena rating was concerned, it was always hilarious and awesome when it procced. I can't count how many times I got a hate whisper about me hacking because they had no idea this trinket even existed or flat out forgot about it.

[@Elazul.Lapislazuli]

My personal pickings of Items from classic to TBC are: Nelation's Tear Styleens (in combination with gnomeregan auto-blocker) Blue Dragon the Libriam from Naxx with 83+ heal on FoL (thought you get 81 in Nagrand) if you cant provide a blessing of light in your raid compsition its (imho) better then anything before BT

[@WhalePants]

Styleen's is one of the best items mitigation trinket's for Shield wearing tanks. Most trinkets have pure Stam on them, so having something that has the block chance and value along with defense is pretty bomb from what I remember.

[@DubhghlasMacDubhghlas]

Block value is more important than block rating, since you have shield block skill giving you 75% chance to block. Thus the badge trinket is better just give you block value, block more and shield slam hit harder.

[@scottbennett8018]

Tidal charm - stun trinket will never go out of fashion

[@Wokouz]

It gets nerfed in TBC. Increased chance to get resisted for targets over lvl 60.

[@bass-dc9175]

The black book is rather impressive because it is one of the few Pre-Fight trinkets in the game. For those who do not know: If you swap out a trinket after using it, the buff it give you disappears from your character. But since the black book buffs your pet ... it remains. So you can use on the pull timer, switch trinket and get the big damage increase for your demon for a few seconds AND also another on-use trinket to use.

[@Epzilon12]

Scarab Brooch is so dumb that it was used in WOTLK as well. It’s shield was *still* 15% and it stacks with Valanyr. It was used on the world first heroic LK kill IIRC because it was just that dumb. Thanks slime boss

[@novat9731]

You forgot Fetish of the sand reaver, on use trinket from AQ40. Reducing threat by 70% for 20 seconds. Combined with Blessing of Salvation, which both factions will have access to in TBC. You're only doing 21% threat, before talent modifiers. For a warlock doing AOE with seed of corruption, this can be insanely useful. Not exactly useless on a mage, but in TBC, Warlocks are the masters of AOE.

[@warpathh]

You forgot TF; we were still using it in TBC on trash AOE threat

[@stevesvinos]

TF was severely nerfed midway through TBC though

[@hado33_]

You forgot thunderfury, still bis aoe threat till naxx in wotlk. Would also like to see you talk about what classes can keep their t3 in tbc and replace it when.

[@cjl2640]

Blizzard completely nerfed TF's proc about a week after the first Magtheridon kill in TBC. They then buffed Imp TClap so that it mimicked the effect. Once this happened quite early in TBC TF was replaced by A LOT of items.

[@hado33_]

@@cjl2640 big mandella effect for me

[@ithiusdomino]

@@hado33_ there were still people that used it but it's debatable how much mileage they got out of it really (it's still, nearly, a 90 dps weapon)

[@sunchung4957]

Bis until mallet of tides t5 content

[@T3RS1]

It's a good thing because many of these items are pre-raid biss and you can be sure that many people will try to get it even after classic so it's helping the old world to be relevant and people will still go old raids for it. Nothing like todays raids where not even datadisk old instances are irrelevant but patch old instances are irrelevant as well and that is just sad.

[@ChristiaanMutschelknauss]

Devilsaur tooth for guaranteed pet crit on BM hunters, can be activated and swapped out off before fight in PVE. Shame that Devilsaur eye was BiS for so long in classic so almost no one picked it up as quest-reward.

[@Typhoonis88]

I took the bullet and grabbed the tooth its sitting in my bank waiting for TBC i have so many raiding trinkets at the moment i dont mind that i was missing out on that dps from the eye

[@Roofhack]

@@Typhoonis88 Same, I didn't see the point in trinket swapping Eye since the damage output was minimal, got the Tooth instead for TBC.

[@n3v3r1s4]

Yeah that's actualy a notable increase in damage on a top dps class in tbc

[@zforzorro8956]

Already started to Farm 5k Gold for my epic mount, cant wait to go back home!

[@Mixfix87]

I think the warrior ZG enchant is worth looking into. TBC mitigation enchant: +16 parry rating, +17 dodge rating ZG enchant: +10 stam, +7 def rating, +15 block rating Depending on the meta of course, but if tanks actually wear shields in TBC, block rating is an insane stat as well as defense (if the meta is actually about hitting the def cap)

[@David-cy5zu]

You have def cap even before first raid. But the stamina is op for sure !

[@reubeaux]

There is no fury prot in tbc luckily.

[@bradleywolfenbarger5741]

The ZG enchant does not give block rating. It gives block value

[@ivoackermann15]

def rating is worse in metigation than parry/dodge, block rating is irrelevant since you use shield block anyways, 10 stam....yea not as good as the avoidance in my opinion. might have some uses for hydros, illidan flame tanks.

[@Mixfix87]

Yeah, I meant block value instead of block rating, which is a super strong stat for TBC (since it gives you both threat and mitigation) It's basically a question of whether you want avoidance vs soak+threat It also gives you more gear flexibility while hitting defense cap

[@ZeaxofStarcraft]

I can say that Might of Menethil is on of the beast items. I went to TBC databases and you will need either to craft epic weapons or get a raiding weapon to replace it, because it even surpasses the axe that Kael Thas drops from the sunwell dungeon. That is how good it is.

[@Bogeaah]

spellpower and healing oils from enchants

[@matt9618]

This was a great video, made me excited for TBC as a melee when I previously had no hope

[@aidanwow1593]

Free Action Potions are useful for anything in raids that have CC even in the later expansions. We used them all the time for Rotface heroic on Lordaeron for the ooze tank. The same with Scarab Brooch with Sindragosa heroic. Scarab is probably why we got Glowing Twilight Scale from Halion, so people wouldn't have to farm AQ for WotLK content lol.

[@saidbataev5987]

You fogot: 1. renataki's charm of beasts 2. Biznicks 247x128 Accurascope 3. Might of the Scourge 4. SPD MP5 OILs from ZG 5. badge of the swarmguard for hunters 6. Ancient Sinew Wrapped Lamina

[@Drain_Life_Archive]

Thunderfury is still better than most weapons in outlands thanks to the aoe proc. Tanks were literally swinging it in black temple. It's not really obtainable anymore because no one is going to help you farm MC every week for 6 months at 70. Btw many items are still competitive despite being nerfed. The hand of justice for instance is still better than lower level outlands trinkets. Many raid purples from classic can last you until 70 or close to it. But they are hardly worth the time to obtain anymore when you can go 60-70 in a week.

[@mayhemguitar07]

Woah was that a Killer Will at 0:02 or a WillEr Whale? I'll see myself out

[@Dezman90]

Thanks for the vid, would like to see more items if there are any :)

[@theoneandonlyAeth]

The ZG trinkets are worth a mention as well, especially the priest one which allows for an insane amount of burst healing. At the cost of lots of mana but fights haven't lasted long enough to go oom in classic and I doubt early BC will be any different.

[@flori4551]

The problem with the HCH is that it was nerfed in later stages of TBC to provide Haste Rating. In early patches it was still percentage based. Unfortunately, it’s save to assume we will get itemization from the final patch, making HCH considerably worse.

[@secretnamemcsecreton]

Fetish of the Sandreaver is still the best threat reduction trinket for a while in TBC

[@Crix_Gaming]

I'm going to assume someone else said it, but LiP's were nerfed Brotha.,

[@DeusExDraconian]

Physical dps will use Kiss of the Spider at level 70 still. Definitely something you want to keep doing Naxx for till the moment Outland opens up.

[@CTOOFBOOGLE]

The luffa trinket is another one, good for tanks as there are some nasty bleed mechanics.

[@Sergalt]

I've played TBC and raided black temple and Sunwell, and I have not known half of those items. Even gear charts guides never mentioned most of those. one thing that I've used constantly as Tankadin was Demonic Rune, it was glorious for mana regen since it did not shared cooldown with mana potion. Damn now I wonder how BuffaRaid tank would work in TBC. might not be as effective since smaller raid size, but who knows.

[@Sakkura1]

Luffa could be a good option, depending on what patch version we get of TBC. It was very useful for cheesing the garotte ability on Moroes in Karazhan, until they nerfed it (totally unfair that a lvl 49 green item can't even cheese a lvl 70 raid boss, lol).

[@theoneandonlyAeth]

That was nerfed very fast in BC and we can assume Blizz will release classic BC on the final patch. But even if they don't they won't allow Luffa to work.

[@Sakkura1]

@@theoneandonlyAeth We can't assume that. They had to do that in vanilla since they didn't have any code from earlier versions of the game. That is not the case for TBC.

[@theoneandonlyAeth]

@@Sakkura1 even if they choose to progress through patches they will start with Luffa fixed because it was unintentional and unfair to anyone who didn't for some reason keep a worthless item around. Plus the bosses are gonna be easy anyway.

[@Sakkura1]

@@theoneandonlyAeth Perhaps. And the pre-nerf bosses (if that's what we get!) won't be hard by modern standards, but a step up compared to vanilla. Pre-nerf Magtheridon especially would surprise people, since he was eventually turned into a joke by repeated nerfs.

[@Sam-es2gf]

Doing Moroes as a horde friends and family guild on release (pre nerf) was a pain in the ass. No paladins, no stoneform and no foresight like luffa!

[@e-traingaming8740]

THe Styleens impending scarab is a very good prot pally pre raid bis

[@ithiusdomino]

solid for warriors too

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Noth drops a really good paladin healing libram if I remember right that was great throughout BC.

[@cerominho]

What about the Life Giving Gem trinket for Warriors?

[@HeyItsJudas]

love your stuff keep it up

[@peasantking1880]

Styleen's impeding scarab remains an excellent tank trinket for a while aswell

[@kirarozu]

oooooooooooooooo gurl another @WillE video! This gon' be good!

[@sedlinasera3891]

When looking @ on use items. Almost everything in TBC is on a 2 min cd The trinket cd of classic items is all over the place. 2 minutes being the rare ones coming from later content while early classic trinkets vary from 5-30 minute cds The Kel Thuzad quest item is not rly an issue. Saphiron's shoulder enchants are still BIS in TBC. Ppl made their weekend naxx raid for it 14 years ago - and even though some will want to take a break from farming naxx while we wait for TBC. The grind will be on shortly afterwards. You can think of naxx like ZG for what its worth. A bis enchant drop dungeon you will farm till the end of TBC

[@jolan7765]

Annihilator is used in swp, the shaman set was bis until they nerfed it later on in the expansion, also some people used neltharions tear in black temple.

[@discodoni1337]

Love these kind of videos!

[@tenkowal]

Molten Core scope gives more stats than TBC one. It's hit, though - so it might not be the most useful stat. Molten Core sharpening stones are, in my opinion, better, as + damage scales poorly with slow weapons. When TBC was launched, Shaman T2 2-piece bonus was so good it was often used.

[@n3v3r1s4]

yeah the scope is pretty dope hehe

[@Folsomdsf2]

FYI scarab broach doesn't work with overhealing, that's why it sucks now.

[@jojo60rules]

Woah where's the love for Renataki's Charm of Trickery?

[@dace069]

doesn't it give reduced energy at 70? like thistle tea?

[@jojo60rules]

@@dace069 I checked it out and it was nerfed in 2.4.2 from 40 to 20 energy. Who knows for classic TBC, you might be right :(

[@Evirthewarrior]

styleen's impeding scarab is fantastic in TBC, no one really wants it in Classic due to fury/prot being so much better, but it becomes very good in TBC

[@dingding12321]

As a tank sham coming from Classic I'll need all the help I can get going into TBC and this bad boy will be among the top prio.

[@DaveTheGamer-detailedguides]

great vid as always WillE ! I made one similiar coming out in couple weeks but the quality of yours are always next level something I try to shoot for.

[@manawest]

My personal experience with high spirit and blue dragon card was really good! I found that my down time was low and I had more Mana during bosses (compared to other healers in raid).

[@Darudeen]

That Hirumaredx guy has said in the other video that Scarab Brooch was even used in the first Heroic Lich King kill, which was not in TBC I'm pretty sure.

[@kfiercescene]

It's very niche but for shadow priests the offhand from alteric valley u use till u get 50 badges of justice from heroics to buy a better offhand and is recommended till u get the newer version

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Scarab Brooch wasn't nerfed until like Cata or something.

[@utbeerg]

Suggestion for a follow up video. Lifegiving Gem, Tidal Charm, all the ZG class trinkets, Sapphiron trinkets vs TBC ones

[@Ben-ek6pj]

Fap Living action pot Elixir of demon slaying (lots of demons in TBC) Scroll on blinding light (BWL - holy Pali) Mind quickening gem ( BWL - mage) Black Book (BWL - warlock) Scarab Brooch (AQ 40 - Healer) Darkmoon card: blue dragon (healer bis for longer fights) Darkmoon card: twisting nether (works in arena) bis for hunters because of feign death, trinket swap Mark of the Champion (lots of demons in TBC)

[@kalsizzle]

felguard black book was supposed to be able to 1v1 naxx geared warriors during the TBC prepatch in vanilla

[@killval849]

I love how TBC hasn't totally been confirmed outside of datamining, I think? However, everyone just knows how profitable the TBC/Wrath train will be so there's just no doubt among true players.

[@-djSRK]

@Dhars the survey was to gauge player interest. it's more of a "hey we're thinking of doing this" aka not confirmed. ofc KZbinrs are gonna make tbc videos in hopes because classic is over and most every classic topic has been covered.

[@louisoost121]

Love the vids! Bought a twisting nether card just now :p

[@zira-fairbanks381]

Skull of impending doom in tbc basically has no downside

[@WillEmmo]

Gets pretty heavily changed, does 60% total health and mana over 10 sec

[@Fullmetal6]

@@WillEmmo It can get you out of poly and sap

[@Partlycloudygames]

@@Fullmetal6 I think he knows that :P its just that he's pointing out to the comment that it gets changed

[@zira-fairbanks381]

WillE wuuuuuuut dang

[@Fullmetal6]

@@Partlycloudygames yeah but the og post is pointing out that it is an item from classic that has great utility and can be used in arena in tbc, regardless of changing its numbers. The numbers are mostly irrelevant because you are only using it for one tick most often. Sure, if u want it strictly for a speed up, it a not as good

[@Chox_apx]

Annihilator - Blacksmithing weapon with armor reduction proc, Styleens Scarab, ZG Enchants for Warrior Tanks

[@JohnSmith-jb2jf]

When you added MQG, that's when I knew I had to like this video.

[@dontowelie1302]

You forgot the sapphiron enchants

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

F A P A W A Y

[@nestorasbellas6604]

Started an alt (again) in a desolate server to get used to how game will be once TBC is out. I hope we get to keep classic servers! Were i am leveling at, there is a total population on ally side, in reasonable to peak hours from 40 to 99... Never seen a 3 digit total! Usually all i need is a /who 1-59 and another /who 60. I like it!

[@tjknell]

Judgement server?

[@nestorasbellas6604]

@@tjknell You ve got it right!

[@tjknell]

@@nestorasbellas6604 i have just transferred my char from there i was lonely lol

[@Kivrus]

Thunderfury? Many tanks used it in tbc

[@ithiusdomino]

This is true but the concern a lot of people have is that TBC classic will launch post nerf to TF, after which they brought down it's aoe potential dramatically.

[@nothankyouYouTube420]

Let's say I'm a full naxx geared warlock ( I'm not but let's say I am) reckon I'll have any naxx gear left (in use) when I hit 70?

[@n3v3r1s4]

I mean, Scarab Brooch IS imba, and also was considered BiS for holy palas spamming tanks because who doesn't want a stackable bubble of shields on them, but why no mention of Rejuvenating Gem? Scarab Brooch may be unique and completely OP for a few classes in specific situations, but Rejuvenating Gem is just your basic +heal/mp5 trinket useful for any healer doing any job.. while having a completely and utterly overtuned mp5 value attached to it. I mean, seriously, put this, mooncloth set and a decent weapon on your priest/druid for example, they can almost be naked in the rest of the slots lol. It's pretty much universal BiS for any healer until late t6 stuff (memento, the 2.4.3 alch trinket and then swp stuff) unless you're lucky with your t5 class trinket.

[@ivoackermann15]

brilliant wizard/mana oil are better than their tbc counterparts

[@nastynotch8314]

I just got this shit last night!!!! Mark of the champion

[@SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet]

Has there been an announcement about how the transition period will work yet? The expectation is that it will work like a regular expansion, but it would be good to know for sure. I wanna start farming mats for my alt's JC!

[@codllc]

Darkmoon Card: Twisting Nether is absolutely broken in arenas. I used it in Wrath even.

[@sigplayer112]

best in slot libram for holy palas in Tbc is from naxx

[@victorwinqvist4277]

Lgg is still in tbc one of the best shaman pvp trinkets all the way into t6 content :D

[@kayless32]

Excellent Video! I have read a lot of differents things about ignore armor trinkets from Classic. Apparently no vhange on value so it seems very strong, in Pvp, Pve ? Badge of the swarmguard is a good one. Please enlight us about it.

[@Sockerfader]

Also the Viscidous healing trinket

[@markxv2267]

Didnt realise tbc was officially announced

[@Roofhack]

Don't think you can swap gear (trinkets) once the arena game starts, so you won't be able to swap from twisting nether deck.

[@ungobufungo]

I feel like fetish of the sand reaver may still be relevant aswell, even if it does get nerfed down to 50%

[@nat040496]

Ngl i still wish they’d gone the OSRS route and made all new expansions. Maybe after WotLK or MoP they can go that way. Make DLC that the main version of WoW never had. But i do hope they continue with the original 2004 art style. That’s one of the main draws for Classic imo

[@Buttsmoker]

I think they should go classic through Wotlk and then classic+ after that. Completely new direction

[@nat040496]

@@Buttsmoker yeah exactly. Altho i do like MoP but MoP was when they really started improving the art style and engine, and i want Classic to retain the 2004 art style.

[@Buttsmoker]

@@nat040496 I thought late Wotlk and Cata was the downfall

[@Kratormode]

How can you not mention Rejuv gem? It was literally bis until Sunwell?

[@Mohawk52x]

This is exactly why i enjoyed private classic and tbc more then retail, People only going to play for numbers again and its going to be flooded with bots again selling every raid consum on action house

[@asch7906]

Seal of the Dawn is great for Karazhan.

[@kis1421]

You forgot about "Fortitude of the Scourge", which is a way better Shoulder Enchant for Warriors and Druids in TBC, compared to Scryer/Aldor one. Even ZG Shoulder Enchant for Tanks is way better compared to TBC ones.

[@regalswede3667]

Vanilla was great, tbc is refined vanilla. I find few downsides, perhaps flying since it ruined world pvp and thus damaged part of the social aspect of the game

[@nialls1716]

Does anyone know if freezing band will work in arena in TBC?

[@ivoackermann15]

at 0:36 isnt leotheras supposed to have 3 adds that banish him?