MAPP Gas or Propane - Bernzomatic TS8000 Torch Kit

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@richardphatthenguyen195
@richardphatthenguyen195 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's a marketing strategy. It all boils down to the power output of the torch head itself, some people mod their propane torch to deliver more power. Or buy this TS8000/TS4000 and use it on propane tank for no brainer.
@ravenXcozmo
@ravenXcozmo 4 жыл бұрын
Richard Phat The Nguyen so can you use the TS8000 on the blue propane tanks?
@ravenXcozmo
@ravenXcozmo 4 жыл бұрын
Richard Phat The Nguyen nevermind I just watched the video
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@iseeyou9078
@iseeyou9078 3 жыл бұрын
I learned this the hard way. Glad you changed the tip good job. I ran out of Map gas at a service call and couldn’t find any map or oxygen an acetylene it was a Sunday. So bought propane and it worked once I changed tip.
@davidfuller764
@davidfuller764 3 жыл бұрын
Helpful, thanks
@tomb816
@tomb816 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the actual burn temp difference between Mapp/Pro and Propane is only ~.2% (that's 1/5 of 1%). The combustion dynamics of the burner (torch unit) is where your performance is.
@thealchemist5376
@thealchemist5376 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, thank you so much for demonstrating this. I'm in the market to buy a blowtorch and am researching all my options here in Australia. Your video helped so much in making a decision! I'll opt for the TS8000TK torch for sure!
@randymurray934
@randymurray934 5 жыл бұрын
What the hell are you yelling for
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Just to make sure that you can hear him. :) He has a problem, but we're scared to tell him.
@Tricky_Adventures
@Tricky_Adventures 4 жыл бұрын
It's because he's talking about propane and propane accessories. Channeling Hank Hill.
@TheScottyKey
@TheScottyKey 4 жыл бұрын
Randy Murray BECAUSE HES TIM JOHNSON
@cubul32
@cubul32 4 жыл бұрын
It's hockey night with propane and map gas - get it?
@rogerreynolds5822
@rogerreynolds5822 4 жыл бұрын
Because PROPANE!!!
@robertthompson5908
@robertthompson5908 4 жыл бұрын
I love how he starts the video explaining that MAPP isn’t the same thing as map-pro, and then a lot of the comments proceed to totally conflate the two different gases. MAPP was hotter than propane - they don’t make it anymore. Map-pro is also hotter than propane, but not by as much.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
You're correct, and a tip will make much more difference than the difference in fuel. You have to get the oxygen in the fuel to make it hotter. Thanks for watching.
@LemonySnicket-EUC
@LemonySnicket-EUC Жыл бұрын
130° hotter.
@fast2valve559
@fast2valve559 5 жыл бұрын
Just bought the ts8000 with the map gas included at home depot 30 mins ago. Guess ill be buying the $4 propane bottle instead of the $12 map bottle after this one runs out.
@ARCSTREAMS
@ARCSTREAMS 5 жыл бұрын
def go with the much cheaper propane and the map torch attachment,,in canada propane is about 8 buck and map like double that,,crazy
@ARCSTREAMS
@ARCSTREAMS 4 жыл бұрын
@Mike Studmuffin bigger does not mean hotter,,it means more work
@craigwilson8255
@craigwilson8255 4 жыл бұрын
Mike Studmuffin, though it's a bigger torch doesn't necessarily mean it will burn hotter or burn fuel faster. The amount of fuel coming out depends how far you open the valve, and it very well could have the same valve, or at least the same output as the older/other ones. The biggest improvement to the TS8000 that make it a hotter, and actually more efficient torch is the turbine blades in the base of the nozzle that mixes the fuel and oxygen much better than previous torches. If one wants to save fuel, it's simple to not fully open the valve. Probably get about as much heat as the previous torch design when the valve is only half open. I built my own torch that's about 16" long. If I close off the air to it, it can burn cooler than either of those torches even though it's about 20x bigger, because it's not getting the right fuel/air mixture to burn like a torch. It's more like a campfire.
@maryrozannasuxmaybarca59
@maryrozannasuxmaybarca59 3 жыл бұрын
@@craigwilson8255 very intresting we very
@mysteryman447
@mysteryman447 3 жыл бұрын
I bought the same one a few days ago, after about a minute or so of run time the flame turns orange, pretty sure that means incomplete combustion but I’m pretty new to torches, anyone know whatsup?
@barbaracherington8703
@barbaracherington8703 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this review. I bought the Mapp gas torch kit, screwed in the nozzle, turned on the gas, and didn't hear any "SSS" so thought it wasn't working. Then I watched your video and saw you PUSH THE IGNITE BUTTON!!!!! that I realized that was how to make the thing light. DUHHHH!!!! So I went back and did the whole thing all over again, and it worked perfectly. I was using it to burnish the edges of plexiglas (Acrylic) cutouts because I had read that you need Mapp gas rather than propane to get enough heat to do that burnishing. Now I'm wondering if propane would do the job just as well. But I'll use up my mapp canister first. Thanks again! I appreciate your help very much! And it did the burnishing really well.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it worked. MAPP is not MAPP anymore, they haven't produced real MAPP gas in more than 10 years. The propane with this TS8000 torch tip will get just as hot as the MAPP/Pro gas. Thanks for watching.
@davido9200
@davido9200 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to test the claims of hotter with MAP/PRO vs Propane with the same torch. Double thanks for posting this! For my home use this is great to know.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Glad we could help.
@cubul32
@cubul32 4 жыл бұрын
Excelent! yes, it does answer questions: the tip increases the burn efficiency so over time a good tip is worth the money and the time!
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Great point!
@bansheerider619
@bansheerider619 2 жыл бұрын
MAP-Pro lasts longer and burns less fuel in the same time period. Try weighing the bottles, do a 2 min burn time, weigh again and see which one burns less fuel.
@ravenstarver1360
@ravenstarver1360 2 жыл бұрын
That's a good point, I wonder if propane is still more cost effective in the end?
@daviddowell7729
@daviddowell7729 Жыл бұрын
Would the flow not be regulated by the tip?
@majortwit
@majortwit Жыл бұрын
I’m still crying MAPP was discontinued. Pro is better than propane, but MAP/Pro is only half the temp of MAPP. However…a tank I hadn’t had eyes on in 20 years is the real deal…MAPP! I really should clean off my workbench…
@james10739
@james10739 Жыл бұрын
Well I think you are going to need more than 2 min to see a noticeable difference just based on how long a propane bottle last me but they should flow the same unless it's some boiling point and pressure difference between the 2 but I couldn't see a big difference but I think he needs to do more testing because I believe the map is hotter but I never buy it because propane is enough for me and much cheaper but it's all going up now
@LemonySnicket-EUC
@LemonySnicket-EUC Жыл бұрын
It's near 3x the price and It doesn't last near 3 times as long plus it only burns 130° hotter.
@JoanMendoza
@JoanMendoza 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for changing the tip out. That was the first thing I thought of when the temperature difference was so high.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
You bet. Thanks for watching.
@rubymagadan3351
@rubymagadan3351 3 жыл бұрын
Is it safe..¿
@JoanMendoza
@JoanMendoza 3 жыл бұрын
@@rubymagadan3351 is the different tip safe for food? Yeah all the metals are inert the only issues would be from the gas. However, using the tip with the higher temperatures you should get a more thorough burn.
@notmyworld44
@notmyworld44 2 жыл бұрын
I went out and got the TS4000 self-start nozzle with a bottle of MapPro today and it enabled me to finish a brazing job that I was unable to finish with the Propane bottle and standard nozzle. Yay!
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 Ай бұрын
Brazing, or soldering? Brazing is near 2,000F!
@cjc2487
@cjc2487 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this video and the testing method as well as the quick tutorial- I have the Bernzomatic TS8000 that I have been a little apprehensive to use and been wondering which fuel tank to purchase. I'm just using it to heat up wood pellets in a tube - maybe a little overkill.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Cheryl Carolina that’s a perfect use for the TS8000. Glad you found the vid useful.
@georgem4760
@georgem4760 3 жыл бұрын
What a great tip on the torches. W world of difference and fast nice solder joints. Thank you!
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
@cheath8705
@cheath8705 3 жыл бұрын
I've learned MAPP gas has a place for use. In glasswork, propane is "dirty" and acetylene/oxygen is "very dirty". MAPP gas is "clean" when heating glass and glass doesn't get black like the other two. For other purpose, I plainly use propane in my TS7000 for many years. I didn't see much if any difference dealing with MAPP and propane.
@robertficek7586
@robertficek7586 Жыл бұрын
Finally a comparison review of the TS8000 vs the JT680 Jumbo Torch, thank you!
@geoffs6537
@geoffs6537 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for actually measuring the temp
@aaatotal4588
@aaatotal4588 5 жыл бұрын
I have been saying this for years.... I'm glad you made this video
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 5 жыл бұрын
It definitely opened our eyes. Torch tip geometry much more important than the gas. Thanks.
@minkandmatch2547
@minkandmatch2547 Жыл бұрын
i have extensive experience using both of these map pro and propane bottles with the map torch head. my job everyday involved busting loose corroded and rusted bolts on rack and pinions that have been sitting in cars in the junkyard for who knows how many years and cleaning the insides of them. i can say for a fact that with propane with the same head it either took forever to get those bolts hot enough to be able to get broken loose or they would never got hot enough. with the map pro it would take minutes at most and they could be broken loose easily. it wasn't even a competition and i always fought to get those map pro bottles reserved for my squad so i don't get stuck with the shitty propane ones and spend forever on the work
@ArcanePath360
@ArcanePath360 Жыл бұрын
I guess because you are working outside where ambient influences are greater, so the mapp has the advantage of overcoming it better, especially in cold, humid or windy conditions.
@minkandmatch2547
@minkandmatch2547 Жыл бұрын
@@ArcanePath360 i work inside a warehouse in an assembly line with a track with conveyor belt rollers between me and my 2nd. Tables to put everything on and work on then put them in a basket and roll them down to the next guy in front. Always pretty much the same temp. A bernzomatic ts800 head on both bottles and time to heat and lossen is significant difference. Even on some t25 bolts. Also im using a weak bullshit bosch impact wrench lol. Specifically shoecsps on the racks are always tough to get out and they need as much heat as you can dump into them then use a ratchet to remove them so they dont strip the top of it where the socket goes on
@clems6989
@clems6989 4 жыл бұрын
The temperature depends greatly on the air fuel mix..
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly! That was the conclusion and purpose of the video was to show that the tip, which blends the surrounding air (oxygen) with the fuel (propane/MAPP-pro), is more important than the difference of these two fuels. Thanks for watching.
@stephendall2329
@stephendall2329 3 жыл бұрын
I have a half dozen torches that I have acquired over the years, I have thought MAPP was the way to go, this old dog learned something new today….thank you.
@jjmmjj9999
@jjmmjj9999 2 жыл бұрын
Mapp doesn't exist anymore
@stephendall2329
@stephendall2329 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought some Mapp Gas cylinders off Amazon.
@jjmmjj9999
@jjmmjj9999 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephendall2329 you didn't. MAPP does not exist. Map/pro, Map or whatever other shit and Mapp are different
@OkieFarming
@OkieFarming 4 жыл бұрын
They both have their applications. I use the propane when repairing copper lines in wood frame walls, the advantage is u can turn it down an it beats dealing with my B tank. But if the repair is open I use MAPP with turbo, much faster on 3/4 and DWV.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
MAPP is no different. It's not what it used to be. Propane with the same torch will be just as hot. Thanks for watching and for commenting.
@OkieFarming
@OkieFarming 4 жыл бұрын
@@Shoptoolreviews, I understand what you're saying as a comparison. As a plumber, Mapp is about 100 to 150° hotter depending on your setup, that may seem insignificant, but it shows up when you use a turbo torch. With a propane setup, you have the advantage of turning it down without the risk of burning out the tip as you would with turning down a turbo torch. A good example, every 3 or 4 years I have to repair a leaded joint on cast DWV. With a propane torch, I can turn it down to a low flame, acid the repair use 50/50 then wipe it down and I can control the repair. You can run propane on a turbo torch with the same results as using MAPP. But over the years and burning out a few of my victors I learned, carry both
@technomama1
@technomama1 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for this ingenious comparison, it proves "turbo" burners are excellent! I've got Providus+ GA200 recently, which I believe is analog to Benzomatic. I wish I could find purest Butane canisters 7/16, doubt they exist though.
@oldphart-zc3jz
@oldphart-zc3jz 4 ай бұрын
I run my LP torches off BBQ cylinders using a common adapter hose. I still refill the little tanks but the adapter and torch are less awkward than the cylinder when doing bench work. Don't forget to leak check whatever you use. I follow the old farm custom of having a rain barrel near my shop for checking my overhauleded oxy-acetylene gear and use that for a bubble test.
@blocksurfer
@blocksurfer 3 ай бұрын
THANKS, GREAT VID FOR THOSE OF US WHO NEED TO KNOW
@Acejunior7
@Acejunior7 4 жыл бұрын
Whole Leah 🐄 this is insane! Whata great time to be alive! Saving up now- rusty bolts waiting on me.
@jaywilbur515
@jaywilbur515 4 жыл бұрын
Did you have success? I’m dancing with a good one myself
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@Spectt84
@Spectt84 5 жыл бұрын
It's all about "tip geometry" if you plan to lay pipe... Some like bulbous tips, some like mustroom headed tips, some like pointy anteater tips, some like large tips, small tips, flat tips, round tips, fat tips, thin tips... all different shapes and sizes of "tip geometry". But the most important thing to remember is "shielded tips"! ALWAYS use "shielded tips"!... Or you can get an STD.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 5 жыл бұрын
You sound like a safety-first kinda person.
@Rusiputki
@Rusiputki 5 жыл бұрын
Oh shit all the health and safety youtube inspectors are already storming the comment section
@1903bretep
@1903bretep 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that was very helpful in deciding what sort of torch to buy.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@NNITRED
@NNITRED 5 жыл бұрын
You should have also shown the results of the 8000+propane at 30seconds., That would be more conclusive.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@notchagrandpa8875
@notchagrandpa8875 11 ай бұрын
The ability to use the torch inverted is the biggest difference in the two gases, but the better torch in the pro series torch kit is a big plus even if you continue to just burn propane.
@SA-fx4id
@SA-fx4id 3 жыл бұрын
OH MY GOD THATS AN AGRESSIVE INTRO WITH YOUR SPEAKERS ACCIDENTALLY TURNED UP.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry about that. Note taken. Thanks for watching.
@SA-fx4id
@SA-fx4id 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shoptoolreviews I'm just bugging you. I enjoyed the video and want that torch tip. Just unsure if it's worth it.
@jmwinter007
@jmwinter007 4 ай бұрын
Nice job! Really appreciate this.
@karlporath8904
@karlporath8904 11 ай бұрын
It all depends on what heat delivery you need. I carry two small torches like these in my tractor trailer. If you need a large area heated the new 8,000 does a great job ( like straightening 1/4 thick length of 2x2 angle iron mudflap bracket). If I need concentrated heat ( like a 15 year old sprayed in salt landing gear bolt) and I need it yellow hot, not just red hot my old trusty 14613 super torch concentrates the heat like the new swirl head can never do.
@agentjwa
@agentjwa 3 жыл бұрын
i was wondering about this. ive burned many bottles of propane through my ts8000 and then i decided to try the map pro gas and i couldn't really tell the difference. i mean ive used a lot of propane but if you whip out an oxy acetylene torch you know the difference in seconds. there is no comparison. that shits way hotter. thanks for confirming my thoughts on whether map was actually hotter or not. i wonder how much difference there was on the old mapp gas that we cant get any more.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help. If I'm not mistaking, the old true MAPP gas was a couple hundred degrees hotter, but it wasn't double or anything like your oxy/ace torch. Thanks for watching.
@LemonySnicket-EUC
@LemonySnicket-EUC Жыл бұрын
130° difference. Some say map pro has better burn characteristics. Not sure how we quantify that though. YMMV
@deepbluesea615
@deepbluesea615 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that explaining the difference. Especially the difference with the tips
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
No problem! Thanks for watching.
@terry32
@terry32 5 жыл бұрын
That clears up a lot of confusion .
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 5 жыл бұрын
Glad we could help. Thanks for watching.
@LemonySnicket-EUC
@LemonySnicket-EUC Жыл бұрын
67.98 currently. Dang !
@rifleman7313
@rifleman7313 3 жыл бұрын
Good analysis. Would either get hot enough for blacksmithing 1400°F-2000°F + by itself without a forge if more time was allowed?
@2150dalek
@2150dalek 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative....Heading to Home Depot to get the TS8000.
@WilliamVG
@WilliamVG Жыл бұрын
Brazing aluminum requires 720 degrees, will propane reach that temperature with the upgraded tip?
@amietinen
@amietinen 5 жыл бұрын
Done a fair bit of heat shrinking in the cold and it seems that MAPP works better than propane in cold weather (--25°C/-13°F). Pretty anecdotal, cant say for sure that i always used the same torch or that i tried a new bottle of propane, but for some reason I just felt the MAPP worked better in the winter time. For bigger heat shrinks I always used bigger (11kg) propane bottles though, but they were mostly kept in a slightly worm van. In the summer time, the smaller propane bottles worked just as well as MAPP.. :)
@robertthompson5908
@robertthompson5908 4 жыл бұрын
Aleksander Mietinen MAPP not the same map- pro , he explained that in the video. They don’t make MAPP anymore.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@clark5242
@clark5242 2 жыл бұрын
So this would work with the better tip for heat shrinking for auto body?
@LemonySnicket-EUC
@LemonySnicket-EUC Жыл бұрын
​@@robertthompson5908he meant Map Pro gas. We all know MAPP gas was near twice the heat as propane. This new Map gas is only 130° hotter but they say it does burn better. FWIW.
@danielrollins4315
@danielrollins4315 2 жыл бұрын
I wish you would have said if the tank is refillable and if so how too.
@catherinemartina6469
@catherinemartina6469 9 ай бұрын
And I heard that you can use the mapp gas with that tip upside down
@VincentAnzalone
@VincentAnzalone 2 жыл бұрын
Just give her the tip geometry
@heckeepagan2012
@heckeepagan2012 Ай бұрын
Doesnt that mean that you can actually use the cheap torch on the mapp then?
@SocratesDionisius
@SocratesDionisius 6 ай бұрын
Does ultra gas MAP make dash inside the pipe ?
@AntonioVergaraBolaño
@AntonioVergaraBolaño 10 ай бұрын
Excuse me, I have a problem with a TS8000 nozzle that the gas is leaking through a hole at the bottom of the nozzle.
@MrRightNow
@MrRightNow Ай бұрын
If it's only about the torch then how come propane torch would melt if you put it on the map gas bottle? That's because MAP gas does burn hotter, though you may not be getting it's full advantage by using a standard torch kit.
@kathybradbury
@kathybradbury 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I just wasted a good chunk of change buying the TS 8000 and a couple of MAPP gas canisters because I’d been told MAPP burns hotter! Should’ve watched this first.
@nahshondavenport2726
@nahshondavenport2726 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks my man from Chicago
@alejandrovalencia7971
@alejandrovalencia7971 2 жыл бұрын
why wouldn't you be able to use the propane torch on the MAP??
@kingtyas25
@kingtyas25 2 жыл бұрын
Propane is fine. Never have a problem with it. Mapp does come in handy when you're soldering 28mm outside when it's windy though.
@Deerector
@Deerector 4 ай бұрын
is this good for heating up seized bolts?
@thegeth4293
@thegeth4293 3 жыл бұрын
Which would be better for heating up a stuck nut to get off? Does it even matter?
@hxd9321
@hxd9321 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t matter
@harrycocoros8991
@harrycocoros8991 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks....your video was well done and to the point.. answering several questions I had regarding Mapp vs. propane
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Harry C thank you for the reply. So glad it helped you.
@goleebaaz
@goleebaaz 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for good and to the point info
@DanielinLaTuna
@DanielinLaTuna 2 жыл бұрын
The flame on my torch looks distorted and broad. I wonder if the swirling fins (blades?) have been damaged?
@Tifford1
@Tifford1 Жыл бұрын
Will the ts8000 heat up an exhaust bolt til it turns redish?
@Azi-Az
@Azi-Az 3 жыл бұрын
Which one is the best melting gold or silver
@chesshooligan1282
@chesshooligan1282 4 жыл бұрын
Good video. I use a knockoff of the TS8000 with butane, which, in the UK, is over 5 times cheaper than propane. The burning temperatures of propane and butane in air are about 20 C apart and both close to 2,000 C if I remember correctly. The only disadvantage of butane is it freezes at about 0 C (as opposed to a freezing temperature of about -40 C for propane).
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for replying. I guess it depends on the region you are in as to which fuel is most common. It was interesting to prove that the torch tip and air/oxygen makes the most difference.
@chesshooligan1282
@chesshooligan1282 4 жыл бұрын
@@Shoptoolreviews Most people here use propane and they think they're being clever because they're saving a few pence over that MAPP substitute. I found a Chinese adapter for butane on eBay and that's saving me over 80% of fuel costs. You need this www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Propane-Refill-Adapter-Gas-Cylinder-Tank-Coupler-Heater-Camping-Fishing-BBQ/362809619851?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 attached to this www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Camping-Stove-Butane-Gas-Adapter-Metal-Convert-Fuel-Gas-For-Long-Tank/114305867679?hash=item1a9d291f9f:g:rnMAAOSwphFe6E8J
@sethwoolley
@sethwoolley 3 жыл бұрын
Butane also doesn't ignite above 2000 meters altitude, which the UK doesn't have anywhere. Most of the camping gear in the US runs on propane for that reason. Further, the condensation temp you incorrectly refer to as freezing temp. If they are fully liquid they lack vapor pressure and will not free ignite and the stove fuel lines will have no pressure in them. As the fuel is used, the expansion takes heat from the can and you can run out of vapor pressure quickly. You can turn the containers upside down to get them to push liquid butane or liquid propane out by gravity and the expansion happens outside the can so you can burn propane down to -40 (same in C and F) and not be concerned about can chilling. That lets you ignite the liquid. Knowing high altitude and low temps are an issue in the mountains, some camp stoves are made to run on liquid fuel with a generator loop that goes into the flame. Once the generator loop is primed (heated), the stove will run on a liquid feed gasified by the vapor generator loop. These stoves are often multifuel and can run on unleaded petrol, kerosene, or diesel fuel. I modified mine to also run on liquid alcohol by adding a variable air choke. Propane is also available in bulk for grills and RVs, so the price is about $2.50 a US gallon or about seventy cents per liter.
@redetroitwing
@redetroitwing 4 жыл бұрын
This make sense, since I bought a bottle of map and used my propane torch head which would not get the aluminum hot enough to braze it, thanks for the tip, guess I'm buying one of those damn tips lol
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@Ransome2501
@Ransome2501 Жыл бұрын
I’ve had several of the 8000 series and without fail after using them a few times and with all of them the igniter will eventually stop igniting the gas even though I hear it clicking. So I go buy a new one and return the old one and with a vengeance I’ll continue this until they make them last.
@DavidLuger
@DavidLuger 4 жыл бұрын
I just got 2 old 16 oz. bottles of methyl acetylene propadiene stabilized and was wondering if my propane torch head will work with them and if not, why? Thanks.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
I'll leave that final liability decision in your hands. I would think it should be fine, those MAP tanks were made for these DIY style torch heads.
@DavidLuger
@DavidLuger 4 жыл бұрын
@@Shoptoolreviews Thanks.
@xeropunt5749
@xeropunt5749 2 жыл бұрын
Looked like the map torch was touching closer to the metal.
@notmyworld44
@notmyworld44 2 жыл бұрын
Tim, I don't care if you are yelling or not. You made a fine video here! I just turned it down a little.
@renecuevas4128
@renecuevas4128 Жыл бұрын
Tnk u. Great experiment i got 3 set of Oxi Acet in my days now i went to HD to get the yellow MAAP tnk n reg torch to do a couple of joints. Tnk you great explain love the Blopper😂😂
@Simple_Youtube
@Simple_Youtube 4 жыл бұрын
I just want to make battery cables. Should I use propane??
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Either would be fine for solder. Propane is definitely cheaper.
@hso-ym4pv
@hso-ym4pv 4 жыл бұрын
Love the MAPP gas in my Plasma Gun ,nice green plasma ball !!
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@Loganxmusic9339
@Loganxmusic9339 3 жыл бұрын
I just made one yesterday! I didn't know there was different map/Mapp gasses and was disappointed my plasma ball was blue. The new type gives you blue fireballs
@mikev.1034
@mikev.1034 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! That’s why I use a turbo torch set up with propane and it works fine & the propane is much cheaper!
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
You got it!! Exactly right. Thanks for watching.
@frankmontez6853
@frankmontez6853 3 жыл бұрын
I really like mapp gas . Darn now no longer available ?
@travismazzeo11
@travismazzeo11 4 жыл бұрын
You gotta use two different plates for each torch.....you wont get an accurate reading because molecular structure starts to change the metal become more susceptible to heat.....you should do the same experiment but use the MAPP gas torch first and then the propane and see what the results are
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
We actually did it several times, changing which went first, and all the results were within +/- a few %. But great recommendation.
@2910mack
@2910mack 2 жыл бұрын
much needed content!
@ranzamaceanruig
@ranzamaceanruig 3 жыл бұрын
Great info! Will the Bernzomatic torch burn inverted?
@pabloso8403
@pabloso8403 Жыл бұрын
Very odd that I used a propane tip on a map gas tank.
@PfaffPfantom
@PfaffPfantom 3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video, thank you. How should these MAP or Propane tanks be stored? I assume leaving them inside the house or in the garage (which can get hot during the summer) is a bad idea. Maybe on the back porch?
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
They stay inside our shop that routinely gets above 120F. Thanks for watching.
@wildernessfarming7726
@wildernessfarming7726 2 жыл бұрын
Great job, good info, right to the point no bs.
@paulwrenfeld8475
@paulwrenfeld8475 4 жыл бұрын
Will it go up to 700° for the aluminum
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
You can braze aluminum rod with it, but it takes a while. Thanks for watching.
@KontrolledKaoz
@KontrolledKaoz 3 жыл бұрын
Bro can i store this in my trunk assuming it isnt ridiculously hot????
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Thanks for watching.
@eco-hot3231
@eco-hot3231 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you ! Very informative, I would not have guessed that outcome! Will do my own experiments to verify this!!!! AWESOME VIDEO! !
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! MAPP gas is not manufactured any longer, so they're just playing with marketing, making more money on the 'word on the streets' that MAPP gas is hotter.
@ivangjorikj9130
@ivangjorikj9130 2 жыл бұрын
You do that.
@eduardorocher1147
@eduardorocher1147 4 жыл бұрын
I pop a hole in aluminum block (oil)can I use map gas with duraflex
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
No, not a good choice for this.
@shawn576
@shawn576 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for the info!
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@VintageEngineRepairs
@VintageEngineRepairs 4 ай бұрын
You’re not comparing gasses as in the title. The major difference is
@thecodgod32
@thecodgod32 4 жыл бұрын
I will use this knowledge and save money what a video
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. Glad we could help.
@3cap97
@3cap97 7 ай бұрын
Nice Job!
@leewilkins8341
@leewilkins8341 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks - great video
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@jerryanstey7058
@jerryanstey7058 5 жыл бұрын
why not do a mapp tank nozzle test cheaper to expensive ?
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 5 жыл бұрын
We'll definitely look into this. Not a bad idea.
@bruceskee22
@bruceskee22 2 жыл бұрын
I have several 14.1oz tanks oxygen, mapp Gas and mapp pro they come from county waste management but I have a few red tanks with no labels but the threading is to the right and not left like oxygen. Also slightly smells like propane unless it’s a propane mixture?? Acetylene maybe. And I have 2 original mapp tanks methylacetylene propadiene stabilized
@TheCyberCorn
@TheCyberCorn 4 жыл бұрын
how long does the can last? assumed that you let it open until it dies? 4-6h?
@kristopherbuchanan974
@kristopherbuchanan974 4 жыл бұрын
I just bought mine brand new and it ran out in no more than 6 minutes. Either that or it stopped working. I have been trying to find this same answer because i feel like it should last much longer.
@TheCyberCorn
@TheCyberCorn 4 жыл бұрын
@@kristopherbuchanan974 it definitely last much much longer, ive been using one for more than half a year here and there.
@kristopherbuchanan974
@kristopherbuchanan974 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheCyberCorn thanks! I definitely felt it should have. I have a feeling i was sold a near empty bottle from the store.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@johnbarron4265
@johnbarron4265 4 жыл бұрын
Bernzomatic rates its TS8000 torch at ~12936 BTU/hr using propane and 12327 BTU/hr using MAPP. The torch head is mostly what determines the heat output of the setup, not the type of fuel. Also the flame temp doesn't really matter when heating up steel. All that matters is the BTU/hr that the torch produces.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
You are correct. Thanks for watching.
@louispeters2105
@louispeters2105 5 жыл бұрын
IVE said it for years! Air-gas mixture. TS4000 is the best
@maryrozannasuxmaybarca59
@maryrozannasuxmaybarca59 3 жыл бұрын
some thing are to hard to beat
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@fandechavalones3022
@fandechavalones3022 2 жыл бұрын
What tip is that on the blue propane torch ?
@littlechildrenasmr5405
@littlechildrenasmr5405 4 жыл бұрын
Can I do this same experiment with oxygen mix..
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how you would mix in oxygen. Thanks for watching.
@shawn576
@shawn576 4 жыл бұрын
I ended up buying this torch. It's a bit more than I wanted to pay for a new torch, but god damn is it a good one.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
That's great to hear. Glad it was helpful to you.
@maryrozannasuxmaybarca59
@maryrozannasuxmaybarca59 3 жыл бұрын
im sure
@ARCSTREAMS
@ARCSTREAMS 5 жыл бұрын
interesting findings but yeah the map is slightly hotter than propane but at double the cost and not much diff on the work being done id go with the porpane and hook it with a map torch head ,,but these are mostly for soldering as the filler rods being used are most likely to melt under 840deg F ,if you got oxy fuel than you can braze or weld but you cant weld with propane only acyteline unless they come up with a special gas one day ,that would be neat
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@Eastbaypisces
@Eastbaypisces 3 жыл бұрын
what happens if u put propane head on mapp gas? will it still work or no? basically is it dangerous?
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
It works just fine, but not as hot. Thanks for watching.
@hxd9321
@hxd9321 2 жыл бұрын
Wel if you watched the video at the very beginning he says that the propane head can’t be attached to the mapp tank.
@MrEjones78
@MrEjones78 4 жыл бұрын
well, I guess you should eliminate the major variables, well yeah give that a try and perhaps before the test?
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@tickyul
@tickyul 11 ай бұрын
How much of the difference is the gas, how much of the difference is the torch???? Ok great, your excellent video answers this question.
@jayc3110
@jayc3110 4 жыл бұрын
That was useful information... Thanks.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@potaylo
@potaylo 3 жыл бұрын
My TS8000 tip end glows red about 1/2 down with map pro gas . I didn't time it but every time I have used it, fairly quickly. Should I be concerned about that?
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
That does sound a little odd, especially if it doesn't happen with Propane. You may want to check another tip and see if it does the same. Thanks for watching.
@potaylo
@potaylo 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shoptoolreviews just tried blue propane 1st time. It did not do it. then tried the map gas it did not do it. so I have to keep an eye on it . might take longer thanks for the reply.
@heavymechanic2
@heavymechanic2 5 жыл бұрын
My torch head is a TS4000 and it came with a MAPP bottle. Years ago I used the basic propane torch head and those deliver little heat. You just convinced me to buy the less expensive propane because Google says there is only 100 degrees difference in the flame temp w/o O2.
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 5 жыл бұрын
It's definitely an interesting test. So many people for so long, us included, have just heard that MAPP is hotter. It boils down to torch tip geometry and the job you're trying to accomplish.
@robertthompson5908
@robertthompson5908 4 жыл бұрын
heavymechanic2 MAPP was significantly hotter than propane. MAPP isn’t the same as map-pro. They don’t make MAPP anymore. The video was about map-pro.
@maryrozannasuxmaybarca59
@maryrozannasuxmaybarca59 3 жыл бұрын
i dont believe the temp diffrences is any less with strait in actuality its just less cleaner
@DriesOG
@DriesOG 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how good Map Pro gas is at bluing titanium. I have a full titanium exhaust I'm looking to blue.
@maryrozannasuxmaybarca59
@maryrozannasuxmaybarca59 3 жыл бұрын
if you need help pm me or what ever
@Shoptoolreviews
@Shoptoolreviews 3 жыл бұрын
Good question! Thanks for watching.
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