Trigger Torch Test: Bernzomatic TS4000 vs. TS8000

Tools:
Bernzomatic TS8000 High Intensity Trigger Start Torch
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Bernzomatic TS4000 Trigger Start Torch
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[@nick6834]

My kind of video. No BS or wasting peoples time trying to be funny.... just straight to the point. Love it!!

[@3cap97]

That very much seems to be the most legitimate, scientifically valid, no BS, "straight on" comparison I have ever seen! BRAVO!

[@Luke-db2ec]

Superb! The most dialed-in, no nonsense, cut-to-the-chase video I’ve ever seen! 👏🏼

[@MaximNIN]

This is my first time to come across your channel. I'm a big fan of product comparison videos, as you guys save consumers a lot of wasted money on products that may not be fitting for us. Your cause is a noble one. Thank you. You have a new subscriber!

[@sailorboy7024]

It's nice to see a scientific measured comparison. Good work!

[@jkimo1178]

Isn't flame length on the TS8000 2 inches longer than the TS4000?.... perhaps the test would be more accurate if the tips of the flames for each torch touched the glass flasks. This would mean the TS4000 would be 2 inches closer for the test. I think those 2 inches allows too much heat to dissipate. Just a thought.... I appreciate all the work and math that you did.

[@SPVCEMVNMUSIC]

My thoughts exactly. Real-world scenario, you wouldn’t be using the torch at a fixed point. You’d be using it based on where the flame is… This test is inconclusive.

[@MakerProjectLab]

Great video, Sean. The test setup was spectacular!

[@MikeTrieu]

Since you bought one of each, a fun experiment is to take the nozzle off the TS8000 and screw it onto the TS4000. It totally fits and elongates the flame. It obviously won't change the flow rate, but at least more of the gas will be flowing in a column rather than making that fat bulb at the base that the TS4000 nozzle does.

[@ozyrob1]

Easily the best comparison between the two torches. Well done.

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

According ro the manufacturer, the 4000 version is rated at 4500btu and the 8000 version is rated at 12,900btu. Each one has its place. It all depends on what you need from your torch. I recommend the different nozzles for multiple purposes.

[@darrylwagar4144]

I do own and use the Ts4000 , it works great. Heats up quickly and evenly. I can solder 3\4" fittings in less than a minute. Really no need for the ts8000, unless you want to catch your walls on fire.

[@chocolate_squiggle]

Maybe it was just I couldn't see the flame very well, but I thought the TS4000 is supposed to have a smaller flame? So wouldn't one move it slightly closer to the target? Granted I've no personal experience, that's why I'm here learning about them, but the way I see most people using these things is with the flame pressed right up against the target. I guess you'd crack that glass if you did that here but a piece of metal you want to heat up isn't going to care. I know there is a difference, but I'd like to see if the difference is still so pronounced once you have less heat bleeding off to the sides of the TS4000 flame. Thanks anyway this definitely showed the TS8000 has a higher burn rate.

[@DavidSmith-dj8ht]

that was exactly the information I was looking for. thank you. 8000 the clear winner

[@jackson7421]

I can’t tell you how good this video is. A scientific comparison between the two with no nonsense or fluff. Feckin righteous!!!!

[@WebbedPete]

One uncontrolled variable: the TS4000 has a smaller flame, yet you placed it the same distance from the flask. Thus, more heat wasted -- not applied to the flask.

[@ajbaron33]

You helped us make a decision on what torch to use with our new Booker & Dax Searzall!

[@tylerbyrd2287]

Dude. Your are awesome. Gotta love straightforward meaningful math lol. Most helpful product info I've ever seen

[@laz0rama]

fantastic, very useful video!!! i've been wondering what the difference between these models is, as i've had the 8000, but now it is a good $15 more expensive than the 4000. for my usage, the price difference is worth it, i'll be getting another 8000. thanks much my friend!

[@laurielyon7740]

Extremely well done. The only rub for me-and it’s minor-is this. I live in Canada and the price difference between the two models is not 20%. It’s almost double for the TS8000. Everything is more expensive in Canada.

[@andrewford80]

I hear ya dude, TS8000 is AUD$150 in Australia

[@laurielyon7740]

@@andrewford80 Hey Andrew, my friend. Yup……we pay more for the ‘better’ torch than they do in the Excited States of American, but Aussies and Canucks ares so much better off…….We didn’t have TRUMP, don’t have their corrupt political system, daily mass shootings, the GOP, runaway corporate greed, never ending racism and on and on. So I count my lucky stars. G’day mate!

[@andrewford80]

@@laurielyon7740 that is true ;)

[@mibracedude]

Sadly Bernzomatic discontinued the TS 7000 when they came out with the TS 8000. The TS 7000 used less fuel, and had a little smaller flame,. Overall it was a much better torch, especially when working in tighter areas. Hope they read this and bring it back.

[@ImaginetMedia]

Just found your channel due to a search for this torch. Excellent demo. I am now subscribed. Thanks

[@tanker242]

Clearly the best comparison between the TS4000 and the TS8000.

[@KW-cq4yr]

What would be the difference if you used map gas instead of propane? Just very curious if there would be much difference on heat times and gas consumption.

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

MAPP gas was taken off the market in 2008. Map Pro gas only burns maybe 130 degrees hotter than Propane.

[@darrylwagar4144]

Seems like a good conclusion based on this experiment. HOWEVER, I use the torch to solder copper pipe 98% of the time, not heat up a beaker from about 6" away. When soldering pipe you want it to be in the inner cone , around an inch away. I think that a better experiment would be related to soldering pipe. However you did perform a nice controlled experiment.

[@beb38138]

As an asphalt tanker delivery driver, this is one of the most used tools that I own. For every delivery I have to heat up the cap on the rear of the tanker to let it be loose so I can remove it. It's unfortunate that I just bought a ts4000 and just now researching which one is the best LOL. Although, my ts4000 has a almost yellow button, and says that it is designed for mapp gas. I'd love to see your thoughts and if this is any different since your button was red on your ts4000. Also my logo font is yellow.

[@francoiscaen3182]

What an excellent video. Simple and to the point.

[@williamarrowsmiith8380]

Outstanding mini study and overall review!

[@mmukherjini2161]

Thank you for your review…it was helpful to understand the differences between them

[@chilidog73]

So the ts-4000 burned half the fuel per second, but took twice as long...multiple that by my beer drinking time and the ts-8000 is a winner!

[@tribulationprepper787]

Chilldog... Makes complete sense to me!

[@joeymagdelone3705]

Answered my question about being able to use propane instead of map pro. Thanks mate.

[@indigophox]

For what? Propane is still going to get you a lower local temperature, regardless of energy output.

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

​@@indigophox130 degrees lower than Map Pro.

[@ysagas]

I have used both the 4000 is better in my opinion

[@Barbasnoo]

Woah... this video was EXACTLY what I was looking for!

[@indigophox]

"[...] and it's totally worth the extra money." Well, uh... depends what you're using it for. For soldering pipes, for example, the TS8000's giant swirly mess of a flame creates a lot of blow-by heat which just burns everything else around what you're trying to solder. So it's not really worth anything (and I returned me TS8000 shortly after buying it).

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

💯, the difference of the two wasn't really covered well here. Get the torch that fits your needs. There is a niche for each model.

[@willyzook]

Exactly the info I was looking for! Thank you!

[@ryanrekonnect1769]

I have both. I can melt metal faster with the 4000. All depends on how close the torch is to what you’re heating in the case of the 4000.

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

It has a smaller pinpoint flame. For smaller focused/ controlled situations. It puts out nearly 1/3rd the btu's though.

[@timkunsa7249]

Thank you for weighing the tanks for fuel consumption. I ran your math a bit further and see that the torches considerably outperformed their model numbers! ie: the TS4000 is designed for 4,000 BTU/Hr and the TS8000 is designed for 8,000 BTU/Hr. I'll be picking up a TS8000 very soon, not because of the additional heat, but because of the adjustability. Will it ignite reliably if the control remains set to about 25%?

[@averyalexander2303]

For some reason the instructions warn against lighting it at low settings, but I have never had a problem getting my TS8000 to light at low settings.

[@davidfuller764]

@@averyalexander2303 thanks!

[@Engineerboy100]

Good job, nice and concise, just what I needed, now let me get over to home depot and grab a TS8000 :)

[@ianbutler1983]

I can braze small steel or iron parts with the TS-8000. I can't do that with any other propane torch.

[@85rocco]

The TS4000 will do that too, at least it does if you use MAPP gas, not sure how it would perform with propane

[@ianbutler1983]

@@85rocco Oh, I did not know that. Thanks.

[@backyardprojects9945]

I recently bought the TS 8000 here in Australia, it works fine but it cost me Au$ 87. Mapp cylinders are about Au$ 18.

[@andrewford80]

Where'd ya get it for $87?! That's cheap. Is it legit bernzomatic?

[@bushratbeachbum]

Great video. They're over $150 here. I got two used though and want a fine tip for one of them, any idea where to find one? Im mostly drawing a blank! You fiddled with the nozzles but didn't show them off the torch, are they the same fitting?

[@theales4035]

Numbers don't lie TS 8k is worth the extra money. I'm buying one today unfortunately I already have TS4k and if I've seen this video before I would have just went for the bigger one originally. Then again I bought the first one for other reason I'm getting the bigger kind for brazing. Great Video thumbs up coming your way.

[@robkunkel8833]

Thanks. I just bought the 4000 and wish I had seen this video. I can’t believe they sold it without nozzle options. I tried to look closely on the package but assumed, at least three tips. // I’m heating a dented vintage Schwinn bike fork. Some genius took off the bottom bearing cap before shipping it to me. QUESTION: How hot does it have to get to be malleable? Just curious. The project will be started soon and covered on my FB page. Rob Kunkel, St. Thomas, VI 🛶🌴

[@rs-nk8cf]

I'd like to see how the bernzomatic ts8000 and the flame king fk8500cga compare

[@rickybailey7123]

What if u change the jet on the bottom of the ts4000 to the ts8000 im sure it would burn hoter but just how hot the jets are much cheeper to buy if u already have the ts4000 I though about drilling it but it has a spring and ball in the jet so u cant do that plus if u do that when u turn the tank upside down it trowes a flame of liquid gas tru the jet and your flame will go from 8 inchs to 2 or 3 foot not safe at all so dont do that its unusable after you do that

[@ReefMimic]

Sweet! Was looking for this comparison

[@_LVC]

Are these the ones with the recall for exploding in your hand?

[@chesshooligan1282]

Good video. That plastic knob for the adjustment valve is too big. I have a fake Chinese one that's identical except it has a smaller, tougher brass knob instead.

[@dannybproductions1845]

Wish you would test different brands like mag torch

[@MollerFarm]

Exactly what I needed, thank you.

[@JohnnyBLC]

Great video! Just what I was looking for. Cheers!

[@james10739]

I think when I was looking the 8000 also came with 3 different tips not sure what for exactly

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

Different tips are available.

[@brucenovotny5924]

Good, informative and right on the money. Thanks.

[@lkcxgod]

Thanks for your sharing, I will buy ts8000 now.

[@bluetickfreddy101]

My ts 4000 isn’t getting the intense flame Curious any suggestions?

[@Son_Of_Scotland]

Thank you for helping me decide!

[@kuladeeluxe]

Thanks for making this video. Very well done.

[@chalangshingaly502]

thank you

[@jonathanwiggill8242]

Awesome. Thank you - This helps me make a buying decision - Much Appreciated.

[@Chad-ski]

Great video. Just what we want

[@patrickfitzgerald4345]

Nice test! I had the TS-8000 but the trigger mechanism broke after about a year of occasional use (however, I did leave it out in the cold a bit, so that might have had something to do with it). I might get another one, even though I just use it for BBQ and cooking. :-)

[@tribulationprepper787]

Patrick... You can get one of those big long Bic lighters for about $5 and use the other $47 for charcoal.

[@totallyfrozen]

For starting charcoal with a torch, just get the brass UI2317 nozzle. It won’t break because it’s simple and doesn’t have a piezoelectric starter.

[@tribulationprepper787]

@@totallyfrozen Agreed plus it has just the right amount of flame for sweating copper pipe. I have the TS-8000 an it is way too hot for plumbing even at the low setting. Probably good for braising.

[@patrickfitzgerald4345]

@@tribulationprepper787 oh where's the fun in that? Actually I just got a "flame weeder" that might be useful for starting charcoal.

[@tribulationprepper787]

@@patrickfitzgerald4345 I have always wanted one of those mini-flame throwers. Have you used it enough to know how long it will run on a tank of propane? I have seen those used in warehouses to shrink wrap pallets.

[@TheDogWalksTheDog]

exactly what i was wondering thank you.

[@teaguejelinek4038]

Great vid ty

[@paperjawa]

Proper video nice work

[@walderman55]

Dude great video

[@sidneycooper]

Well done!

[@jacobjj3466]

You did a great job !!!!

[@spettro9]

You said couple of experiments...? Isn't that just 1? Anyway, thank you, Very cool test.

[@8307c4]

Excellent.

[@djbrs8549]

what's the temp of each torch

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

Same

[@TheRicoCallao]

Great video

[@zetareticuli757]

Good Work!

[@aperson1181]

8000 is under recall

[@moitoi4064]

I just bought the Chinese knock off copy of the 8000, it costs me 43 euros instead of 120 euros for the 8000, a huge difference.

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

Here in the States I got my 8000 for less than 40 bucks on Amazon.

[@method1024]

awesome. thanks

[@johnhendy1281]

Fantastic!

[@jeffpiro5511]

Thanks man!!

[@sshady7272]

Good video bud, a little nerdy on the math though...

[@Robert-ug5hx]

The cost difference was only eight dollars so i got trs8000

[@MrStarbor]

grat job

[@adamlublin9424]

Really? You should do sci-fi. 30+ years using a torch I can tell you ALL you need to know is rate of burn, higher burn rate= more heat. All available from the manufacturer.you don’t need to boil water or weigh the tank. But A+ for baffle w BS performance. I hope you’re not a license carrying contractor.

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

💯....The 4000 has 4500 btu and the 8000 has 12900 BTU according to manufacturer.

[@jjorgepozoszarate5485]

Rifado...🤑

[@ot9180]

Splitting hair. Not even different companies.