Mar Mari Emmanuel Explains How Protestantism Started

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[@prestonhartlief]

A man cannot detach another man from Christ, no one but God can attach men to Christ this no man can truly excommunicate another.

[@pearleenmatthew5131]

This is exactly what I was going to say

[@blessedt5676]

The body isnt an invisible thing but actual physical people. You can detach them from Christ but you can from the kingdom

[@annemariekoutsky5054]

1 Cor 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ let him be anathema. MARANATHA!

[@robertconter3641]

this sounds like an eastern Orthodox chat GPT is explaining the reformation....

[@steviesvideos319]

Im just a born again child of the living God , a Christian.....and thats it...

[@DefrostedCalvinist]

no disrespect but it more than that. What you understand by the words justification, redemption, redeemer, mediator are different among various groups. the New Birth itself means something different to Rome than it does to evangelicals.

[@loveyourenemy7796]

I love how you said that. And that’s a BEAUTIFUL start. And It’s all you need until you realize that you’ve lost that first love and can’t seem to find the way back through just knowing more. Or you’re just going through the hardest time ever. Knowledge and doctrine give confidence no doubt, and a compass for truth, but falling in love with the Savior never gets old. His suffering and tenderness for us is just everything to take you through your darkest moments. Growing in the faith is called Sanctification. It’s how God makes us ready for heaven. Nothing we go through is wasted.

[@SimplePerson-zq9tj]

@@loveyourenemy7796 Sanctification I think has Rewards coming with it, but what about the thief on the cross? well how do you explain Sanctification for the thief on the cross?

[@philipgligorov5848]

​@@SimplePerson-zq9tjWell brother, that thief paid a very very big price and he was saved because God needed to show us that if you repent and believe it is possible to be saved no matter what you did. But don't forget that the thief paid with his life. He lost his life, but gained salvation of his sould. Are we that lucky? Or we try to sin, and then be greedy and ask God not to punish us because we are sorry? If you were offered to be crucified right now and leave everything and everyone here including your loved ones, dying in one of the most agonising death that a man can experience, but knowing your soul will be saved, would you do it? People don't understand, that it varies from situation to situation. Take the resurrection of Lazarus for example. Why just God doesn't ressurect our loved ones like he did ressurect Lazarus? Because Lazarus was resurrected for God's glory and power over death to be shown, and also to prophecy the resurrection of Christ Himself. So, the salvation of the thief also was with a reason and was in a specific time. I am afraid we have to work a little bit, we aren't that lucky to be resurrected/saved without moving a finger. Jesus says, I was hungry and you feed me, I was thirsty and you gave me to drink, I was naked and you gave me clothes, I was in jail and you visited me... Jesus says that those people who did all of these things will be saved. For the others, He will tell them to depart from Him because He never knew them.

[@michellecheriekjv4115]

​@@DefrostedCalvinist Amen ...Well said...Rome does not understand the New Birth that Jesus talks about in John 3:3, 5, and also Titus 3:5, Ezekiel 36:25-27. 📖💥

[@violetab3750]

I am Eastern Orthodox Christian! Love to all my brothers and sisters in Christ! ❤

[@the1allahprays2]

Luther knew about the orthodox...the early lutherans wrote them and their beliefs were not orthodox.

[@natmanprime4295]

mari is appealing to the uneducated, he's the definition of a populist

[@Truth4lfe]

@@natmanprime4295 Our Lord Jesus Christ was teaching the poor and the “uneducated” one, while the so called educated ones crucified him.

[@walikotabikinibottom893]

Luther even sent a letter to the Patriarch of Constantinople, Jeremias II, but the letter never reached the Patriarch during Luther's lifetime

[@natmanprime4295]

@@Truth4lfe thats how you build a cult

[@SeanusAurelius]

@@walikotabikinibottom893 Yes it did, but the Patriarch rebuffed them and more or less told them to be Orthodox, which Luther, being Western (in many ways, quite Catholic) refused.

[@reformedcatholic457]

Luther didn't want to be kicked out of the church he wanted to reform the church from within, I think his reason to reform the church are valid. The papacy was allowing immorality and false teaching and Christ was not becoming the focus but other beings during the middle ages. In the end Luther wanted to reform the church back to the teaching of the Apostles and the early fathers.

[@vesogry]

Some of them. But he himself wasn't a very crystal person.

[@reformedcatholic457]

@@vesogry You mean he wasn't a clear person?

[@vesogry]

@@reformedcatholic457 He wasn't a moral person.

[@reformedcatholic457]

@@vesogry No one is, we're all sinners, hence why he wanted to confess every little sin as a monk.

[@vesogry]

@@reformedcatholic457 Stop with this nonsense: "We are all sinners".

[@zakstr]

Proud Christian from the US. Glory be to God.

[@jmendez9357]

Im Proud to be a Christ disciple.

[@justthink8952]

The Apostles laid their hands on the baptised persons so that they may receive the holy spirit. Did the successors of the Apostles laid their hands on you so that you may receive the holy spirit?

[@luffyykun]

have you ever read Petrus Romanus Last Pope prophecy by "MALACHY" go search and read it once God bless

[@dallasbrat81]

​@@justthink8952you may try to think and read John 5:1. Are you raised from the dead and been given the supreme treasure?

[@hameedkatoor7469]

I am proud to be a Muslim like Jesus Alaihissalam

[@justthink8952]

@@dallasbrat81 I am not dead yet. Were you resurrected? What is the supreme treasure?

[@EnzamaRobertAyikobua]

Sometimes Bishop MariMari speaks truth, some times his truth is biased and not full truth. This one is not full truth. You can see first by the way he confuses the Pope Leo's, and the way he says there were 97thesis when they were 95, Luther didn't know orthodoxy, which is not true, saying Luther's teaching were Orthodox and yet Orthodox do not believe in consubstantiation but transubstatiation, two very different doctrines on the Eucharist. Martin Luther promoted Sola Scriptura and yet Orthodox accepts tradition etc.

[@csmoviles]

Absolutely, mar mari mixes truth and lies: the apparition of his dead "mother"; praying to the dead saints; infant baptism ; saying that Jesus told him to look in the mirror and then added: you are Me and I am you😢😢😢...this is blasphemous

[@Bobbel888]

He said "about 97", while the Eucharist was not mentionned.

[@EnzamaRobertAyikobua]

​@@Bobbel888 yes he said about 97 theses and that very clearly indicates the inadequate research he has on church history. Well. For the Eucharist, The Bishop mentioned that if Luther knew about Orthodoxy, he wouldn't have formed the protestantism and would have joined Orthodox Church because what he preached was Orthodox and no difference. To which I say. The Bishop is wrong here because some of the doctrines Luther preached were totally different from Orthodox. I then pointed the example of the Eucharist. Luther does not believe that the bread changes substance to the body of Christ, instead he believes the body of Christ is present together with the bread. This is not a minor difference , it is at the core of the two denominations . So the Bishop is wrong. Secondly to say Luther didn't know about Orthodoxy was simply not true. First of all Luther , a trained priest, cannot be ignorant of Orthodoxy , as one of the courses studied in the formation of seminarians is world religions and they also study the great schism.

[@EnzamaRobertAyikobua]

​@@csmovilesI am a Roman Catholic , and as such I do believe apparitions do occur. And we also pray through and with the saints. My comment was entirely based on this particular video that he shared. Bishop Mari Mari probably had apparition of his deceased mother. Or of Christ. That I do not know and am not in position to call it lies. But there are clear things in history that we cannot lie about, there are clear theologies we cannot lie about.

[@Bobbel888]

@@EnzamaRobertAyikobua Yes, he could have been more sensible with sorting Luther as Orthodox candidate :) Guess it's the deeper rooted dialectic break of Rome and Eastern Church that attracts such idea. The central problem, that Catholic Church is hijacked by the "world" as it was in the time of Luther is well addressed.

[@morant3057]

This is very simplistic and bordering on rediculous.

[@Jesus.Saves.bible1]

im Christian Evangelical and im happy to be from USA preaching the word of God!!!!

[@MeederTom]

Same! No icons, just the word of God!

[@joehouston2833]

Who Cannoned the New Testament? 😂🍿

[@chn92694]

@@joehouston2833 The Roman church said they did, they didn't follow it though. Just a bunch of hypocrites.

[@loveyourenemy7796]

@@chn92694I don’t think you know the full history, as in the timing of teachings. Do you believe in the Trinity? How does it work? Where did that come from? Where is the love of Christ in calling someone names with little proof or understanding of historical facts. Learn about the early church, and why you believe and interpret the Bible the way you do. You will actually be impressed, not mean. God both allowed and blessed the divisions for His reasons just as Barnabas and Paul did, so they would multiply efforts in spreading the Gospel. Not all of Man’s mistakes happened without God somehow using it for His purposes. We can’t go back. That’s what arguing over the internet is. We must simply humble ourselves and pray. He will heal rifts. We can only make them greater.

[@chn92694]

@@loveyourenemy7796 oh please, Jesus called the pharisees hypocrites for the same reason, when they valued tradition more than the actual Word of God. And for the record, Luther was excommunicated by the Bishop of Rome not the other way around. They did him dirty. Yes, protestants believe in trinity just like the catholic and orthodox. They just don't believe in the infallibility of the pope just like the orthodox church.

[@j.m.5199]

Only when Jesus is the head of the church and no power and money influences the structure and decision, we fulfill the Words of Jesus: "You cannot serve God and the mammon (money). Under the control of money and human power, we don't serve God and should not wonder, that He will not attend our services.

[@iociccio936]

WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT ? BITTER PROTESTANT ?

[@eddardgreybeard]

Christ wasn't talking about money. He was talking about sin, and if you sin you are a servant of sin and not God. That's why Christ said you cannot serve both God and Mammon

[@j.m.5199]

@@eddardgreybeard If money (mammon) is written, it is written.

[@chrisvibz4753]

@@eddardgreybearddude mammon means riches. aka money.

[@eddardgreybeard]

@@chrisvibz4753 He's one of the 7 princes of hell, dude. Either way, to suggest there can be no structural authority of the Church is objectively incorrect.

[@SuperStratosfear]

So many people saying they are proud to be Christian in the comments. If you are proud of being a Christian, you have missed the entire point. Christianity is about humility before God and recognition that you are not able to save yourself.

[@uncreatedlogos]

Luther Exchanged letters with the Patriarch of Constantinople. After three letters, the Patriarch didn't like him anymore.

[@singalong2998]

Could you explain further?

[@uncreatedlogos]

@@singalong2998 no. I don't quite remember it. Look it up "early Protestant Orthodox relationship" I think there will come up a video by Gavin Ortlund.

[@uncreatedlogos]

@@singalong2998 Truth unites Is the channel of Gavin Ortlund. "THE MOMENT THAT DEFINED IT"

[@roshankurien203]

@@uncreatedlogos yeah the patriarch called him a heretic for his beliefs. That’s history clear as Abhraham Lincoln was president of the USA

[@nathanaronsohn8665]

Lutheran theologians did* Luther was not alive when this happened

[@truthseeker9692]

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

[@WarriorBride723]

"GET AWAY FROM ME, I NEVER KNEW YOU!"

[@newman2022]

In God realm there's no past no present no future You called it predestination but it's not In our human realm we're bounded by time so we should watch for our steps all life time

[@jamalbaraja6130]

A prophet and not God.

[@newman2022]

@@jamalbaraja6130 who?

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

The bible is half predestination and half free will and a God that transcends our comprehension able to have both be active and true.

[@gloriaproductions4680]

The Apostolic Church Of Christ, founded by our LORD JESUS CHRIST, 33 A.D. in Jerusalem

[@christofferahlback]

I really like Mar Mari, but this video should not be titled “explaines” but rather “Mar Mari gives his version of how Protestantism started”. To start with, it was not only about pope Leo X, the theological issues at the time (and now) were and are much deeper and complex.

[@Bobbel888]

As you see over the comments, it's a good discussion base. Leo X simply was the pope of that time and his comrades were "not an example".

[@unholyhairdo64]

There is only one person that can excommunicate you from God…..yourself.

[@DMG118]

No one denies that. But you CAN be excommunicated from any Christian denomination

[@unholyhairdo64]

@@DMG118 I understand that but being excommunicated from any religious group has little to nothing to do with your relationship with God.

[@hdsamte]

​@@DMG118 The preacher says condemned to hell

[@Baylonfrisbee]

@@hdsamte the bible says different

[@shamsonsb]

Proud Protestant from India-CSI

[@elainelksuabernet]

I love my Catholic faith. I was taught to pray for everyone regardless. Lord have mercy on us and the whole world

[@suino1433]

God bless you, love.

[@loveyourenemy7796]

I love it too. Though Protestant.

[@salakerz324]

Love God first. Go based on scripture not on church rulings. This is the problem with Catholicism . Yes I am Protestant Baptist, but over all I follow Christ and go by his word not a pulp’s God bless you ❤

[@luffyykun]

have you ever read Petrus Romanus Last Pope prophecy by "MALACHY" go search and read it once God bless

[@sreed7637]

@@salakerz324yes I too agree with you, but I love many of the Catholics, they’re trying to be close to Jesus as we are. I don’t trust the catholic leaders way at the top though.

[@ryval4594]

Where's can i get the full version?

[@joseilarraza6533]

Actually Luther met a Micheal the deacon who was an Ethiopian. He was part of the Ethiopian church who was not connected with Rome at the time. He even allowed him and them to commune with him. Also luthernism was given to the followers of Luther by the Roman Catholic Church as an insult. Luther actually detested such a label to followers. Lastly, reformers did reach out to the Greeks or Orthodox Church. Unfortunately the communication went from you are messed up to just leave us alone. Fun fact a Cyril Lucaris was a patriarch of Constantinople and tried to reform Eastern Orthodoxy with Protestant theology.

[@Mirro.555]

There're have been even masons among patriarchs of Constantinople. And among reformers there were masons too.

[@Bobbel888]

interesting

[@ArianAdamMousavi]

That's nonsense i don't believe this is true

[@carlst.pierre90]

I was born roman Catholic. I did not know anything else. When I read the Bible for myself I became a true believer born again protestant and I am proud of my new protestant roots .

[@galatian5]

I came to Christ on my own when I was 18. Prior to that I wasn't even familiar with the concept "Protestant" until I started interacting with Catholics who called me such. The safest structure for a church to follow would be what was laid out by Paul the apostle. The thing is we all see different miracles, have different anointings, and are ordered to do different things. Because of this, in my opinion at least, we try to think we can thus map out God or His plan so we get different groups. There are somethings we have to admit that we do not know. We know for sure however that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, He died, He rose after three days, and was born of a virgin. What Martin Luther did was something that needed to be done. A church has no right to tell people that money will buy their way out of hell and into Heaven (indulgence). This is expressed in several places throughout the Bible and even caused Jesus Christ to physically beat people up who were money changing in the Temple.

[@SCIISeth]

No man on this earth can detach me from Jesus! No man can condemn another man to hell! Our Lord is judge and salvation!

[@duanewoodson9804]

Incorrect. Prove GOD did not empower the Twelve at Pentecost to judge anyone? The twelve could foregive and retain. You Protestants have no way around history. Why has no Angels ever visited your churches?

[@audeladuvoileofficiel2138]

​@duanewoodson9804 how do you know ? You stop talking about spiritual things if you're not spiritual. Some of us have the gift of Discernment of Spirits and see angels during services.

[@fiditenemini2452]

​@@audeladuvoileofficiel2138 you are nu.ts

[@duanewoodson9804]

@@audeladuvoileofficiel2138 BS! Now you are a liar. Prove you have any attributes similat to the Prophet Samuel or Joel or Nathan or Isiah! You have never been visited by Melchizedek nor Enoch nor Elijah nor Elisha nor Methuseleh!

[@britt441]

Waar haal jij het vandaan dat het 12 personen waren en wie of wat hebben ze ge-of veroordeeld?

[@priceless.j]

Only Real Christians know that they are not catholics not orthodoxs not Protestants not calvinisms . Real Christians know they are the Church the Body of Christ and Christ is the Head of that Church....The End

[@carlosmurillo2264]

that is something a protestant would say get out of here 😂😂😂😂

[@IesusChristusVivit]

​@@carlosmurillo2264give me verse from Bible where explicitly and exaclty says that apostles were part of any denomination, God does not care whether you Catholic, Orthodox, Protrstant, Baptist, etc.. as long as you believe in The Word, have been baptized and live accordingly to His will not our, sheesh open a Bible for once

[@Vatican_Crusader]

​@@IesusChristusVivit The Apostles were called "Christians" in Acts 11:26.

[@TheLivingoodLife]

Could anyone link the full sermon?

[@COSMIN266]

I was expecting more from brother Mar Mar, you can't say such bazacon publicly without giving a context and credible sources.

[@dylanarmour6727]

His grace is his proper title

[@WillPowah]

Don't know if he misspoke but excommunicated does not mean you go to hell. You still have to follow the commandments and attend mass it is ment for a person to repent and be fully forgiven for their actions.

[@FunnyVideos-yb4qp]

Correct

[@javierherrera8782]

As if going to Mass saved anybody ever😂😂 ONLY CHRIST SAVES.

[@chrissobolewski5509]

Excommunication is a punishment of last resort to afford the person to repent and return. Even after an excommunication is imposed, the person, upon repentance can be fulled united in communion with the Church again.

[@javierherrera8782]

@@chrissobolewski5509 the Pope is the ANTICHRIST.

[@Cklert]

@@javierherrera8782 Christ is present at the Mass. What person would not want to go where the Lord is? Where his one sacrifice is made present to us?

[@sublimevideos5731]

The key verse that struck Martin Luther was Romans 1:17!! Saved by faith alone ! "Sola Scriptura" May God Almighty bless you all.

[@chrissobolewski5509]

How does one verse Romans 1:17 ? Try to understand why Paul was writing to the Church in Rome, a church that he did not establish? Writing around AD55-60, Rome was largely pagan; early Christians were being persecuted. In AD64, Nero martyred Christians, accusing them of starting the great fire. Rome persecuted Christians until the Edit of Milan in AD 318 when Christianity became a legal religion, with all the others, and persecution stopped. Sola Scriptura developed as a response to refute that the Church was the custodian and authority of Truth of Sacred Scriptures. Any one could read and interpret - Martin Luther’s revolt against Pope Leo X. And the One Body of Christ has reformed to 45,000 Protestant denominations. Not quite what Martin Luther envisaged

[@jayjayg7585]

You are justified by works and not by faith alone . Book of Saint James in the first bible until Martin Luther chuck it out .

[@stephenboshoff8316]

Summed up as Jas 2:26 NET2 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. Saved by faith and wotsk is the evidence of salvation

[@lgzster]

Martin Luther added the word "alone". In other words, he altered scripture.

[@peaceandlove544]

As a catholic agree Not the Catholic Church but the Vatican hierarchy needs to wake up as many Christians from all denominations

[@jabloneynophony1875]

Virtually all denominations agree of almost everything. The differences usually stem from how people like to practice their faith, or as simple as each small church having a different founder. 90% of them could be joined into one whole church. But the nature of Protestantism is a personal, deep relationship with Jesus, of which everyones experience is different. And not following institutional dogma. the people in every Protestant church I ever attended had a deep distrust of large institutional religion.

[@AbebaDamesa-wc7ls]

Like a Protestants when they preach a Gospel by power of holy spirit saying "hallelujah " And cast out demon by name of Jesus in Ethiopia 🇪🇹 they are on amazing work

[@user-er9zc8ni1s]

proties are satanic heretics.

[@jaytv4eva]

Calvin did NOT create the concept of Predestination; he got it from St Augustine's City of God.

[@andrewmartin3935]

Actually Romans 9

[@jaytv4eva]

Nope. Romans 9 is talking about the fact that those who follow God would live lives characterized by faithfully putting their trust in him. God has laid THE FRAMEWORK for what it means to serve Him in the beginning, however the individual remains free to serve Him. There would be no struggle to follow Jesus if you as an individual had unmerited disfavor (destined for hell in the very beginning). Again, the concept of unmerited disfavor is a concept Calvin borrowed from St Augustine who borrowed it from popular Latin Roman tradition, it's not Biblical at all. Augustine's book City of God is just an allegory akin to Pilgrim's Progress, a primer for his beliefs on Christianity. That is all.

[@SeanusAurelius]

More to the point, he got it from Luther, albeit he went further with double predestination. The Council of Orange reads a lot like Luther but specifically excludes Calvin's double predestination.

[@ginikaonyia107]

I am a born again Christian,full of the holy spirit hallelujah

[@Friedrichsen]

Many Protestant denominations regard the other Protestant denominations as orthodox despite small differences and it isn't a question of "which one is correct" because the core beliefs are there regardless.

[@Matteo-1]

I believe in one Body of Christ, which is all faithful believers. We have split up into different churches because of different understandings of the Bible and God's word, and also different ways of doing things. As humans are imperfect, no "branch" is really correct, the only correct branch is to follow Jesus and the Bible. We can identify with a certain denomination, but in the end we should acknowledge the truth that we can't always be perfect in knowledge and wisdom, and the only truth is in faith in Jesus. We can call out denominations for their mistakes, but we should always acknowledge that there are faithfull believers, even in churches that are very broken. In conclusion, follow Jesus, not a pope or earthly teacher.

[@johnpolitis7929]

@Matteo-1 Christ gave the Peter The Keys and Petrine Doctrine(Catholics are Christian, Orthodox and Protestants are heretics and schismatics who must convert to Catholicism for unity). Those outside the Rome do not follow Jesus and are therefore not Christians and outside the Church there is no salvation and only baptized Catholics in a state of grace do(Vatican II is not Catholic and is heretical like Orthodoxy and Protestantism).

[@oleksandrhafurov3246]

Bro God saved me and loved me without that I knew anything about these all dominations.. it's not about them at all but personal relationship with God being born again through the spirit and start the journey​@@johnpolitis7929

[@iociccio936]

CORRUPT DIRTY KZbin DELETING ME AGAIN

[@iociccio936]

DIRTY DICTATOR KZbin DELETING ME AGAIN

[@iociccio936]

IMMORAL KZbin STOP DELETING MY INNOCUOUS COMMENTS

[@andrejgrebenc3235]

Wrong, Martin Luther was processed by Vatican and condemned for his heresies. Luther was correct about misuse of indulgences and amorality of some Catholics in Rome and elsewhere.

[@freegarytan]

Where can I find the full video/sermon/preaching on this?

[@nosi5368]

Read the book called, the great controversy, by Ellen G white, the whole history is there.

[@khumgangte9246]

It doesn't matter if you are a Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant if you are not born again in Christ you are not saved.Why are we so much focus on doctrine which is not at all important. All we need to focus is on Jesus Christ and nothing else. God Bless 🙏

[@aseelbrodd779]

You need to mention why Luther did that. You never mentioned anything about that. Without him we wouldn’t have had the Bible in our hands today in every language. In faith alone through Christ alone.

[@uriahthehittite1672]

Wrong. Faith alone is not a biblical principle. Read James. The Catholic Church determined which books would be in the bible.

[@aseelbrodd779]

@@uriahthehittite1672 Jesus said who ever believes in me will live. He said it is finished. And many many versus explains why in faith alone through Christ alone. We accept Jesus our savior we follow him he baptize us with his Holy Spirit and sanctify us. We need to be holy just like he is holy and that happens only through him as he does the work it’s long process and it takes time but it’s not because of us or our work so no one will boast. We don’t need saints to know Jesus, he broke the barrier in the temple we have full access to him because of his grace.

[@morant3057]

Not true. And how many books did Luther want to remove from the Bible? It was Martin Luther who tossed out the seven books considered canonical since the beginning of Church history. He also rejected the epistle to the Hebrews and the book of Revelation. He also called the epistle of James “an epistle of straw” because James 2:14-26 conflicted with his personal theology on good works.

[@SamSups]

​@@morant3057incorrect, James wasn't understood in the light of 'faith alone'.

[@morant3057]

@@SamSups Great, didn't understand something according to his opionion and therefore deleted all the books that caused him consternation. Tell me, where is 'faith alone' in the Bible? Book, Chapter and Verse please.

[@papaszem44]

The five solas of the Reformation, which distinguished the Reformers from the teachings of Rome, include sola scriptura (Scripture alone), solus Christus (Christ alone), sola fide (faith alone), sola gratia (grace alone), and soli Deo gloria (glory to God alone).

[@Vatican_Crusader]

Those doctrines are heretical and not found in Sacred Scripture or Sacred Church Tradition

[@tigstuersumo6454]

​@@Vatican_CrusaderNot heretical it is way of life

[@Vatican_Crusader]

@@tigstuersumo6454 No its not, and if it is, then give me some Early Church writings or Bible passages.

[@SeanusAurelius]

​@@Vatican_Crusader Challenge accepted: Re justification - that is, God making or crediting us as righteous - through faith alone: -God so loved the world that all who believed may not perish, but have eternal life. -This is the work of God, that you believe in His Son he has sent. -He who believes but doesn't keep my word, I do not judge, but the one who rejects my word will be judged. -Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. -Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. -Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. -Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. There's 10 or so of these in the gospel of John. Note that believes is the same word as faith, it's like Greek has a verb "he faiths, I faith, you faith", etc. It's rendered believe in English. Whoever believes, whoever believes, whoever believes. No qualification. And yet you guys still think after an entire lifetime of faith, you get judged and end up in purgatory, it's absurd. Or Romans 3: But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it- the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. Romans 4: And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord *will not* count his sin.” - note the future tense. Then Ephesians 2: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[@shikyokira3065]

The last point about every denomination thinks they are right is incorrect. In Protestantism, we have primary core Christian values, what we differ are mostly the ritualistic interpretation of the Bible. For example, we all still believe in the principle of Trinity, we believe Jesus' Godhood, we believe that the crucifixion resurrection did happened, we believe salvation through faith and faith alone, we believe in the power of Jesus name... What we differ in could be, how we conduct our worship (some churches allow band and many other instruments, some only piano), how we structure the leader of our church, how we interpret our free will and God's sovereignty... You get the idea. In short, every major denomination still shares the common core value of Christianity. Those that don't are regarded as heresy, like JW, Scientology and so on. The ritualistic part is the part how we run our church. So even within Protestantism, we still have core Christian values that cannot be changed or be interpreted differently, and that's how we know which is heresy, which isn't

[@millamaya]

Catholic Church, the one true Church of Christ.

[@filmeg6111]

Proud catholic from india

[@Bobbel888]

May I ask which region of India? Hello from Germany.

[@vitesseextreme]

@@Bobbel888 Most likely Kerala where Saint Thomas did his ministry

[@user-dm5nj1qd1h]

Proud too be Protestant from India

[@Yacob95]

I'm from Kerala ​@@vitesseextreme

[@Yacob95]

​@@user-dm5nj1qd1hProtestant from India you are joking?

[@JesusSaves4Ever777]

Jesus is the only way, no praying to mary and no other saints . Just Jesus ❤❤❤

[@britt441]

De Vader en de Heilige Geest mag je ook mee reken en hoop ik ?

[@south3rnoracl319]

​@britt441 Jesus, The Father and the Holy Spirit are one. As the word states, to receive and acknowledge Jesus as Lord, God and Saviour with a heart of belief and with verbal declaration, you have received and acknowledged The Father and The Holy Spirit as well. For Christ, The Father and The Holy Spirit are one.

[@stormborn03]

who prays to Mary ?

[@Vatican_Crusader]

We ask Mary to pray for us (intercession), we Catholics worship Jesus Christ, and we are also the Church who approved that Jesus Christ is consubstantial with the Father (which many protestants accept) in the Council of Nicaea 325 AD and Council of Ephesus 431 AD.

[@sisigs4820]

@@Vatican_Crusader 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man Jesus Christ. Also, even if there were more intercessors than Jesus, you don't pray to THEM, you pray to God only and regardless. Praying to anyone other than God for whatever reason is not biblical and is the equivalent of idol worship.

[@rp-2f]

Protestant religion started so that Henry vii could get divorced whenever he felt like it. The end

[@andrewrestu4982]

That is Anglican. Study again.

[@rp-2f]

@@andrewrestu4982 if you're saying that I'm incorrect when I say that Henry was protestant the only one that needs to study is you

[@dhoff648]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@rp-2f I think what he is saying is that Henry VIII founded the Anglican Church which is Protestant but not the Protestant movement as a whole.

[@rp-2f]

@@dhoff648 which proves my point even further.

[@dhoff648]

@@rp-2f but Protestantism already existed. The reformation started in 1517 with Martin Luther’s 95 theses. The Church of England was founded in 1534.

[@DMG118]

Schism is so sad. Ecumenical discussion is what we should all strive for in a healthy church, not splitting. If we remained one Catholic Church I'm sure many of the issues we have would have been ironed out centuries ago. Thank God we are closer now than we have been in centuries. Catholics, Protestants, EOC, should never hate each other. We can disagree passionately, but the moment we hate each other is like hating your brother or sister.

[@Canxzify]

He also married a cloistered nun

[@Bobbel888]

celibacy is not biblical

[@Cklert]

@@Bobbel888 Demonstrably false. Paul in 1 Conrithians 7 states that it is good for a man to not have sex with a woman. He wishes that people would remain single like him. And finally, he states that those who aren't married can better devote themselves on the concerns of God rather than worldly affairs.

[@andrelima536]

​@Cklert Peter was married as in the bible we can read about his mother-in-law. Clearly, celibacy was imposed because of the catholic interest to maintain their lands and resources and many other reasons. We can see the consequences of this in the lives of some priests who burn with passion and cannot control themselves with kids and women around.

[@EsotericPenguin]

⁠@@andrelima536 Celibacy was instituted to ensure that a priest's son would not take over the local parish.

[@andrelima536]

@@EsotericPenguin indeed

[@arpitalexander8809]

I Can't explain the Protestant Church more clearly than our beloved Bishop ✝️ Praise to Jesus Christ for he is our Lord and God ✝️❤️‍🩹

[@Bobbel888]

Still you might educate yourself on precise historical facts.

[@arpitalexander8809]

@@Bobbel888 Like what ?? Please explain

[@Bobbel888]

@@arpitalexander8809 Don't get me wrong, I love the Bishop an am aware of his devotion to Christ. If you follow lecture and comments, Luther is a Catholic, not a Protestant, though protestantism developped on a political level based on his questioning Roman Catholic examples. Wrong is the idea, that Luther was an orthodox candidate, e.g. he rejected celibacy as non-biblical invention by the church, while I think Eastern Church also requires this for certain level of priests.

[@arpitalexander8809]

@@Bobbel888 Oh Cool

[@user-yi1kf6sl4h]

When a Bishop sounds like Jackie Mason, you got something.

[@papaszem44]

sola scriptura (Scripture alone), solus Christus (Christ alone), sola fide (faith alone), sola gratia (grace alone), soli Deo gloria (glory to God alone)

[@Yeetmcyeets]

He misunderstands predestination completely

[@jesussaves3741]

How so? That’s seems exactly how it works according to Calvinists God elects some and others he doesn’t.

[@benjamincamping8134]

Hello. I am your future self. Whatever you do, don’t reply to your replies on this comment. Trust me….it doesn’t end well…..it never ends well….stay biblical my friend. 🤜

[@chrissobolewski5509]

The scriptures Calvinists use from Romans 9 are exegesis of error and clearly addressed by St Francis de Sales in his writing to the Calvinists in 1594 in Chablis.

[@povoq83]

Calvinists misunderstand predestination completely, yet they understand it better then anyone else. Yes the elect are predestined before the fondation of the world. God has chosen a few to who he reveals himself. But its our duty to persevere in keeping the faith alive. As to the unelect, they will make their final choice before second death. God wants to save all the unelect. Romans 11.32. The sheep and goat judgment is not about the elect. Its the judgment of the world according to their works. The sheep do not know Jesus.

[@benjamincamping8134]

Christ calls those he came to save His sheep. And clarifies that not everyone is one of His sheep. As to God wanting to save the unelect the word literally means chosen. By who? Chosen by God. So you are in effect saying God wants to save the in-chosen. He didn’t choose them but still wants to save them. Now I’m not saying God wants people to perish. But there is a mystery to this that in my experience calvinists are the ones willing to not fill in the blanks with Philip Sophie here the Bible has not filled them in. I think truly biblical Christianity often means being comfortable living in that zone.

[@Garret141076]

I think many people are wrong about Calvinism. It’s very hard to explain but the Bible speaks about predestination but it’s from God’s perspective that God knows everything. The problem is that it’s not meant for us as people or Christians. We need to repent and believe in Jesus Christ which is our responsibility. This seems a paradox and Calvin has tried to explain but both are true.

[@DenisBonichov]

Knowing everything and choosing whos gonna be saved or not are two very very different things. In the Bible it says Jesus Christ is the atonement for the Whole World.

[@buzztrucker]

Elect and reprobate is true but God does not make that choice. He knows the choices we will make but he doesn't brand someone reprobate/elect at the foundation of the world or in our mothers' wombs. A reprobate would have no culpability for his/her actions here on earth if God predetermined that person to be a reprobate before they even drew their first breath. We make that choice and it's arrogant for someone to say I was once saved and always saved. Then there's the other side of someone who heard of Christ then hears about Calvin's doctrine but is struggling in their sin and they say to themselves I must be that person who is a reprobate so once damned always damned. We die daily and try to follow a narrow path. God's grace is there to pick us up when we fall but it's arrogant to know if the state of our souls tomorrow would merit heaven.

[@Eskon2]

@@buzztrucker God foreknows who will repent and who will not as God is allknowing. He picks and said that the self righteous cannot enter heaven. But those that repent have been given life and kept alive and been drawn in by the gospel trough the grace of God. The point of election is to give all glory for our salvation to God alone.

[@chrissobolewski5509]

God created us in His image to share in His creation for eternity. Yet death came into the world through Satan. And as love is a free choice, man has the choice to love God or turn to evil ways. Hod takes no pleasure in any of His creation turning away. The Genesis account of Esau and Jacob, used by Paul in Romans, has been completely misinterpreted by Calvinism.

[@Eskon2]

@@chrissobolewski5509 Genesis 50 verse 20: But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. Its telling you cant put your finger on what Calvinism has wrong.

[@maxeldutz2433]

So Catholic is the original religion founded by Jesus christ.

[@reformationsocietyphilippi1305]

Protestantism was rooted in the idea that Christian message of the Gospel must be restored, mainly that salvation being determined by Scripture) alone, wrought by grace (is by grace (before merits are) alone, through faith (before the deeds of law are) alone, in Christ (He alone was appointed by the Father as the Savior and Mediator exclusively) alone, for God's glory (without crediting it to anyone) alone. Predestination as taught by Luther, Calvin, was not a new doctrine. It was taught by the Church Fathers including Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Tertullian, Cyprian, Jerome, and many others. Predestination means that every event (including salvation), small and great, that transpires in the word was not by mere chances, nor left according to the whims of the creatures, but by the inviolable, infinite, eternal and immutable will of a sovereign God. It is taught in many passages of Scripture: 1. Daniel 4:35 says, "And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" 2. Ephesians 1:3,4, 11 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will." 3. Acts 13:48 - "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." 4. Romans 8: 29, 30 - "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. " 5. Romans 9: 9-21 - "For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

[@4residentleon]

Luther was such a good christian that he took out 7 bible books.

[@dylanarmour6727]

He made them apocryphal the inter testamental books weren’t removed until the 17 or 1800s

[@michaelcerean1990]

The Catholic and the Protestant New Testament are exactly the same. Where they defer is in the books of the Old Testament………….where the Protestant and Hebrew Bibles are exactly the same.

[@shikyokira3065]

@@michaelcerean1990 And that's what going back to the teachings of early fathers and the Apostles

[@marcocortes9968]

Ive read that apocryphal books are questionable in historical accuracy and some were written long after the time the supposed authors lived (ex. Enoch).

[@franaldo93]

Was the stupid Christian

[@alistairhughes7774]

Praise the Lord for the reformation and for sound biblical truth Martin Luther took a stand for. The hymn writer put it well. Nothing can for sin atone, nothing but the blood of Jesus. Praise his name.

[@user-er9zc8ni1s]

reformation comes from SATAN. counter-reformation comes from GOD./

[@aliszhinchaenz]

Just like Adam and Eve, and satan, they all commited disobedience.

[@alistairhughes7774]

@@user-er9zc8ni1s I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. LUKE 13 v 3 KJV

[@AbletonLiveTechs]

Amen. I left the catholic church. Born and saved since 2016

[@user-er9zc8ni1s]

@@AbletonLiveTechs i left american evengelicalism and embrace the holy catholic church since 2020. Im saved by God in the holy, catholic chruch...

[@theProfessor1379]

Protestantism has become a tower of Babel, a tower of confusion

[@Bobbel888]

There are several families. I love the display in Umberto Eco's 'The Name of the Rose': There are individuals building a church according to what God revealed to them, they attract other believers and grow. At some point there is the question, what the true belief is, and the judgement of aberration will hit the small ones. So we got to the Vatican and aledged heretics. Some organize to counterprojects, let's say protestants or freemasons and by same rules develop babel towers. Now Jordan Peterson started a counterproject to the one world order and it soon became obvious, that it would need to apply similair measures and probably end in another godless structure. At the end of the days each of us stands before the creator, all masks are removed, no family to hide behind.

[@andrewbrossman9902]

He did want to meet with an orthodox priest later on, but the priest didn’t want to do it.

[@henokmarkos3124]

so martin luther didnt know there was eastern orthodox at that time🤔

[@ThanhTran-ks8rd]

Man the orthodox is under ottoman for 500 years

[@user-zj6ni9ob2h]

Yes if he had knew orthodox ,100%he whould have joint.

[@henokmarkos3124]

@@user-zj6ni9ob2h but what does orthodoxy believe about ''sola fide'' at that time because it was one of the question he has on Catholicism

[@roshankurien203]

@@henokmarkos3124 surprise suprise.. he appealed to them on sola fida.. and they condemn him as a heretic for his as a new Man made doctrine…

[@buzztrucker]

@@henokmarkos3124 No. Orthodox does not affirm 'sola fide'.

[@Georgy.J.M.Sassine]

My mom is Orthodox and dad is Catholic; According to the Bible Matthew 16:16-19 and the Holy Christ Tradition and the Early Church Fathers Lord Jesus Christ established One Church on Peter the Rock alone, and gave him alone the keys of heaven and gave Peter a Godly promise that the gates of hell won't prevail against the Church... the Orthodox Churches like Protestants and Anglican Church came out from the One Catholic Church Jesus established. I pray that we become all again one as Jesus prayed in the Gospel of John God bless you ✝️Ⓜ️❤️

[@suino1433]

God bless you.

[@dylanarmour6727]

Have fun with that the Roman Catholic Church is unrecognizable

[@katrintchernev33]

The Church was one indeed, paved by the seven Holy World Councils. In 1054 the west was anathematized by the Church because they changed the faith by adding to the nicene creed! Since the truth ultimately cannot be changed. They added fillioque and after they were anathematized they invented crazy doctrines like indulgences, papal infallabillity, and more so, they used the name of the Lord for control and this is why the dark ages came. More so! Peter is the rock which is Christ. He is the cornerstone. Christ appointed His 12, not just Peter. All Bishops were first among equals. All patriarchs are first among equals. And now some of them are snakes and this is why Christ will strike them very soon if they do not repent. Because they keep the Children of Israel as slaves. Just as the pope of Rome! They are the great harlot that fornicate against God and His Church that was, is and always will be only one.

[@OnlyKingJames]

Jesus wasn't Catholic. God doesnt call you to follow a religion, he calls you to follow him. Period.

[@katrintchernev33]

@@OnlyKingJames you cannot be even Baltized in the name of Jesus and you cannot join His Kingdom if not through the one faith. The Catholics changed it and were cut from the church 1054. The great harlot that corrupted the earth with her fornication is His Church that allowed this.

[@archiesohliya]

With all due respect, predestination according to John Calvin originally meant something else, not what people describe it today.

[@store2074]

Grace and Peace. Note: every branch of every religion says "I am right" Why else would you believe it? True Christians say "I am led here (to my belief) by a conscience captured by the scripture, and plain reason" (no, I'm not Lutheran - if you get the reference). We should all pray for God's correction wherever we are in error. I, for one, am glad for the denominated church, without which we would have succumb to the disgrace of compromise in our beliefs long ago (go along to get along). Without doubt, it is a disgrace that all believers cannot exist without this distinction, nevertheless we should act with grace toward all who profess the Name of Jesus and demonstrate the fruit of repentance in their lives. Thank God for His wise plan to erase all division in His Body once our blessed redemption is complete one day. Being mindful that all the major doctrines of Christianity were established [codified] as rebuttal against heresy. In the essentials, Unity. In the non-essentials, Liberty. In all things, Charity. for the record I am NOT a non-denominationist, which due to the lack of at least, some hierarchical oversight, are at great risk of heresy. Grace and Peace...

[@heythere6983]

I don’t agree that salvation comes only through the Catholic Church, they have many weird beliefs. Salvation is through Jesus , he decides. I do not believe you need to confess to a priest before you die or that there is purgatory. Etc. There is a lot to be said about the pagan like traditions in the Catholic Church. That being said Jesus knows who’s really for him. And you can also confess to Jesus . Jesus is beyond denominations. He is the savior, he will judge, man made tradition is not what Jesus taught.

[@wesleygafoor7050]

Spoken like a true protestant, which I am one too. However, if indeed the Catholic or Orthodox church is the physical church Jesus Himself started, perhaps we should stop caricaturing their beliefs, for instance, calling it "pagan", while ours is as much pagan to them as it is among us even towards each other. I'm actually considering joining one of the original churches, tired of this bickering among each other over not even being able to discern basic verses, each denomination reading it this way then that way. I don't believe God is a God of confusion

[@heythere6983]

@wesleygafoor7050 I don’t find much difficulty with the verses . You can always look at the classic amplified or search the definitions of words which I do sometimes. However when I say pagan I’m talking the Eucharist worship with the sun imagery , praying to saints that replaced praying to the false gods, the outfits of the po.pe that are exactly the same as Babylonian figures. The architecture with pagan symbols or Masonic things like at the Vatican the buildings representing male and female sexual organs. Their telescope named. L.u.c.i.f.e.r. The idea their leader is infallible, then changing the Ten Commandments . I grew up as a Catholic and I found zero extra knowledge , my relationship with God was always intimate outside of catholic rituals or traditions, and it only grew when I saw a church online that read verse by verse the whole bible. Athey creek. In the Catholic Church all I ever got was the same New Testament stories and almost nothing of the old or revelation, it was just Catholic holidays or rituals, a lot of kneeling and standing .

[@wesleygafoor7050]

@heythere6983 Will have to look up all that. Might be made up conspiracies. Fair enough, thank you for sharing your experience with me. Haven't been to a church in a long time and feel the need for a traditional one, which is why I'm looking into it. I'm glad you found one that aided your spiritual walk. I'm just reluctant to trust subjective things like feelings or personal revelation and interpretation of scripture

[@Bobbel888]

consider the unity of church, Epheser 4.

[@KutloanoMatela]

All these divisions of the church are just factions of the church. They've all lost the way of Christ. A body without a head is vision less direction less mindless head less The church without Christ is lost Christians without Christ are lost like the rest of the world. No wonder people are leaving the church and leaving the faith leaving the Lord Christ Yeshua

[@Bobbel888]

There is no need to judge. Whatever the Holy Spirit reveals is because he decides so.

[@carsonaswell2809]

I’ve often thought of this. As more and more separate themselves from the church, it’s like those pieces are literally detached from the church.

[@brianknox7306]

Amen We are entering the 7 year tribulation as written in the book of Daniel and ReVelation. Receive the Lord Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour while there is still time . You will find wars and rumours of wars increasing the intensity of perverse laws will become worse and worse before the anti Christ is revealed . Please find testimony of my life below . kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4vQlp2glshkb8Usi=EFgrOvmNS3Vx1dU2

[@user-uu8bs8tg1k]

Jesus. Catholics have so many problems, at least be born again before u speak

[@nrgizer28]

It’s hard to believe Martin didn’t know the churches in the East .. but this is not take away from Mari Mar’s message

[@presidentjoethudbrandon7074]

If they are following the basics of what Christ brought to us; they are right. Catholics started out by wanting to go against the Orthodox way. Then that Pope drive a huge wedge into his own flock. I have nothing but live for fellow Christians; no matter the denomination. But that one example shows why unquestioned Papal authority is a flawed path.

[@matthewodonnell6495]

Didn’t it take the Pope like 4 years to excommunicate Luther? You make it out as if he was immediately rejected. Also Luther knew about the Orthodox. Luther was also teaching faith alone which is false. This coming from a raised Protestant who recently discovered how Luther was wrong. Not to mention that Luther took books out the Bible, and added the word “alone” to his Bible translation to support his faith alone idea. He also didn’t agree with the book of James, and called it a book of straw.

[@buzztrucker]

That about summarizes it. Also the 95 theses being nailed to a Wittenburg castle church door....unsubstantiated history. He basically presented his 95 theses to the Catholic Church officially. Luther would have probably been more scrutinized and subject to more church discipline but Frederick The Wise, Elector of Saxoy protected Luther really because of political self interest and not so much to have a true reformer to help correct the "corrupt" Catholic church. Not only did Luther not agree with the book of James but when it came time to release his translated version of the Bible to fit his narrative he wanted to remove it but refrained at the objection of his friends/advisors.

[@datchet11]

There was many who where protestant in their thinking before Martin Luther. Thomas Bradwardine (1290-1349) Emphasized the grace of God in salvation. Gregory of Rimni (d1358) Emphasized the grace of God in salvation. John Wycliffe Denied transubstantiation, opposed the church’s accumulation of wealth and the sale of indulgences. And emphasized the authority of Scripture. John Huss Defined the church by Christlike living rather than by sacraments. He opposed the sale of indulgences and the veneration of images. And he also emphasized the authority of Scripture. John of Wessel (1420-1489) Denied transubstantiation. Opposed the sale of indulgences and priestly celibacy and emphasized the authority of Scripture. Girolamo Savonarola (1452-1498) Preached against papal immorality and was hanged and burned for heresy in Florence. Desiderius Erasmus (1466-1498) Attacked inconsistency and hypocrisy in the church. He was the humanist Dutchman who compiled the Greek New Testament used by Luther.

[@johnpolitis7929]

@datchet11 Prods or Proddies are heretics. They have 2 sacraments, not 7. They removed 7 books from the Bible. They also started in the 16thc. Orthros are heretics who worship feta cheese and icons. They are Erastian like C of E(Caesaropapism). They were founded in 1054. Catholics, however, started in 33-today(Vat. II is NOT Catholic). They are the original Christian Church called The Petrine Doctrine.

[@roshankurien203]

@@datchet11 this is true Historically. Unfortunately from a Catholic perspective this was a Protestant revolution not a reformation. Now to be fair on Protestants the church def needed to reform.. and we as Catholics agree there was much needed to be weeded out, esp simony… Unfortunately what to remove and what to keep cannot be made manifest outside the church. Anyone who has read the Bible and church history will show you.. truth cannot be made manifest apart from the visible body of Christ.. Where does truth lie and how is it established.. One thing is for sure truth is not established by who has the right interpretation of scripture… anyone who is sola scriptura which most Protestants are have to hold on to how the Bible establishes truth: By the evidence of living witnesses: Every time the gospel and authority comes into question both Christ and the apostles point to the living witnesses.. John the Baptist for Jesus. : “There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭6‬-‭8‬ ‭ESV‬‬ James, John and Peter for Paul : “This is the third time I am coming to you. Every charge must be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.” ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭13:1‬ ‭ESV‬‬ “and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭ESV‬‬ “Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses.” ‭‭1 Tim 5:19 This is biblical epistemology: The church is the highest body of witness… This is not our rule. But the eternal Rule of Jesus Christ. The very eternal verse that Christ proclaimed even before the birth of the church at Pentecost : “But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, TELL IT TO THE CHURCH.. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Nobody as a single person can claim truth, be it a prophet dream or dogmatic interpretation of a Bible verse. : “IF I ALONE BEAR WITNESS ABOUT MYSELF, my testimony is NOT true.” ‭‭John‬ ‭5‬:‭31‬ ‭ESV‬‬ THIS IS JESUS CHRIST SUBMITTING TO THE EVIDENCE OF THE LIVING WITNESS. How much more must Luther, Calvin or anyone else after like the Mormoms or the JW.. What is common is eveyone claims infallibility from a interpretation of the scripture… well you have to, you can’t teach soteriology without infallibility.. no one will come to your church.. I don’t want it know how Jesus might save me by.. So the short answers is: no Protestant unfortunately threw the baby with the bath water

[@eddardgreybeard]

1) believing the bread and the wine becomes the body and blood of Christ as he becomes present is transubstantiation. The Orthodox believe the same thing, though they do not use the term. Anyone that begins to argue "but the bread doesn't turn into meat nor the wine into blood" is changing the subject, because the Church never claimed it did. 2) the indulgences were offered in exchange for donations, but indulgences were always available for free and history has long proven this 3) the authority of Scripture was never denied. The authority of Church and her traditions has been, and exclusively by the heretics you listed as they sought to assert their own over the Church.

[@datchet11]

@@eddardgreybeard Transubstantiation, the belief that the bread and wine used in the Lord's Supper become the actual body and blood of Christ, is not supported by the New Testament. The Bible describes the Lord's Supper as a symbolic celebration carried out in remembrance of Jesus's death. In 1 Corinthians 11:24-25, Paul writes, "and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, 'This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.' In the same way, He took the cup also after supper, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.'" The emphasis here is on remembrance, not on a literal transformation of the elements. Additionally, Jesus often used symbolic language to convey spiritual truths. For example, He referred to Himself as the "bread of life" (John 6:35) and the "door" (John 10:9), but these statements are clearly metaphorical. Furthermore, Hebrews 10:10-14 emphasizes that Jesus's sacrifice was a one-time event that does not need to be repeated: "By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God." Therefore, the New Testament supports the view that the Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of remembrance, not a literal transformation of the elements. Indulgences in the Catholic Church were not free. Historically, indulgences were often granted in exchange for certain acts of piety, prayers, or financial contributions to the Church. This practice became particularly controversial during the late Middle Ages and the Renaissance, culminating in the sale of indulgences, which was one of the key issues that sparked the Protestant Reformation. The Bible teaches that salvation and forgiveness are free gifts from God, received through faith in Jesus Christ alone, and not through any human effort or financial transaction. Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast." Similarly, Romans 3:24 emphasizes that we are "justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The concept of purchasing forgiveness or reducing time in purgatory through financial means is not supported by Scripture. Hebrews 10:14 underscores the completeness of Christ's sacrifice: "For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." This once-for-all sacrifice means that believers are already fully forgiven and do not need to perform additional acts or make payments to secure their salvation or forgiveness. The practice of selling indulgences is not aligned with the biblical teaching of grace and the complete, once-for-all forgiveness provided through Jesus Christ.

[@roshankurien203]

@@datchet11 I think it’s a bad argument especially biblically to connect good morality and authority. Think about from the scriptures alone Cos in the Bible.. it’s not always righteous men gain authority and wicked men lose lost authority. Saul was wicked but never a false king Infact David dare not usurp him despite the king be possessed by the devil. Barlaam was a wicked prophet but not once uttered a false prophecy Uriah the high priest was a high priest despite changing the Alter of God at the Temple for pagan worship Ahaz a true king of Isreal sitting on the seat of David despite sacrificing his Son to Molech Eli’s son…wicked still priests Judus apostle of Christ betrayed our Lord. Not once called a false disciple Ciaphas the high priest who crucified our Lord. Perfectly prophesied about our Lord. Doesn’t make him a false high priest. Most of Isreal killed the prophets and stoned the ones who were sent to them.. yet the messiah came from them God will only work with who he has given authority to and no other means. And he will bring Good out of it. Despite them doing evil What you meant for evil, Our Lord will mean it for good… That’s how he always is …the same ystdy today and forever. What is clear is it is God who brings Judgement on all these wicked people not man.. so I will worry about my own salvation and leave it those in authority to Our Lord. To whom more is given more will be required… Hey I’m just being sola scriptura here. There really isn’t any interpretative challenge here..

[@michaelschmitzerle2587]

To be excommunicated from the “Roman” Catholic Church is on the level and no worse than being kicked out of a country because you don’t agree with their rules. In other words, it means nothing. The “Roman” Catholic Church has no control over one’s soul. Only Yashua, does…

[@stormlordrising7826]

I think the reason why Luther decided to form his own branch was the same as one of the many reasons the orthodoxy and catholic split: geography. He didn’t want to feel like he was abandoning his brothers in the west by going east so he stayed.

[@iociccio936]

THE ONLY REASON FOR THE SPLIT IS BECAUSE OF THE DIVISION IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE !

[@Bobbel888]

It was not his decision. He became a gear in a sequence of civil wars resulting in reformation.

[@briancp4214]

If Orthodox teaches about Christmas, they also branched out from Catholic…

[@michaelg4919]

what separates Protestants is that no branch says its right exclusively, but all who believe in the faith of Nicaea of the 150 are saved and part of the Church. This includes the Orthodox as well but the Orthodox do not return the favor..

[@diemc7a1]

So what exactly did Martin protested against?

[@martynaspuotkalis4117]

Against God himself. Heresy gave birth to another Heresy and shortly protestants started having disputes within. As our Lord says by the Fruits you shall know them.

[@diemc7a1]

@@martynaspuotkalis4117 Stop lying. The catholic church hid the bible from the ordinary citizens.

[@user-uu8bs8tg1k]

​@@martynaspuotkalis4117 Luther faught against catholic corruption, praying to mary, saints , purgatory the host becoming Jesus. Look at what the Catholics did ,starting the inquisition, lasted over 600 years burning people alive in 15 Countries

[@DefenderOfChrist_]

@@martynaspuotkalis4117 that is the popes that is talked about here.

[@mattearl8213]

"Every [Protestant] branch says I'm right, so which one?" Everyone! Because all Protestants believe that salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ as the Scripture says. There are various non-Protestant branches that think they are right. So which one?

[@iociccio936]

LOOSER ! THERE'S ONLY ONE CHURCH ESTABLISHED BY THE LORD JESUS CHRIST & IT'S NOT A PROTESTANT DENOMINATION ! REPENT NOW !

[@iociccio936]

DIRTY FILTHY DISGUSTING KZbin IS DELETING ME AGAIN

[@user-er9zc8ni1s]

bible alone is heresy. faith alone is heresy.//

[@user-er9zc8ni1s]

only apostolic christians are correct. proties are from SATAN//

[@mattearl8213]

@@user-er9zc8ni1s Prove me wrong!

[@vinnygoombatts1458]

Best thing that ever happened to me was leaving the Catholic church and getting saved.

[@suneesunee7576]

Hell Save u from heaven

[@alistairhughes7774]

@@vinnygoombatts1458 God bless you. Praise the Lord

[@hriata5384]

Oh...how you miss scriptures

[@frost1804]

You mean all those who died catholic starting from 1st century AD are going to hell? God just abandoned those who lived between that 1500 years?

[@DefenderOfChrist_]

@@frost1804 there was no Catholic Church this early bro. It was the Early Church that was devolped by many different beliefs within it. The Catholic first became more seperate from the Orthodox Church centuries later.

[@abela801]

the last question which one, I don't think that is only for the denominations in protestanism but also to orthodox and catholic to as they also claim to be right

[@FcoJavierCF]

Marthin Luther's conflict wasnt just with the pope, but with doctrine of the so Roman Church

[@NP-vk8de]

You were somewhat unkind to Luther. But the cause of the split should fall solely at the feet of Rome.

[@frankierandle8779]

The cause of the split lies solely at the feet of a tyrannical, bloodthirsty, thieving English King who put people to death with impunity on trumped up charges for his own ends.

[@Leuthen57]

His scatology was quite something as well. What would we do without him and Calvin 😅.

[@NP-vk8de]

@@Leuthen57 Nice answer, you Zealot Catholics really have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for new and innovative vitriol?

[@joshuafranciscoablong5045]

Faith alone, grace alone, scripture alone, in Christ alone.

[@rafaelprado1042]

An idiot alone, a heretic alone, an incult alone. You were nothing if it were not by the Catholic Churc.

[@allthingsgardencad9726]

that doesn't make any sense.

[@caseoh_77]

it does​@@allthingsgardencad9726

[@suneesunee7576]

Rice alone, water alone, cabbage alone, cheese alone, sugar alone, no taste alone

[@sshamon72]

Absolutely unbiblical.

[@robinlutjohann6408]

Ironic, since his kind of "Orthodox" was declared heretical by the Orthodox snd Catholic church 1000 years before Luther. Convenient that he forgets to mention this little detail.

[@ThornbushTilemaker]

Plus, he was excommunicated from that heterodox church in 2014.

[@redemax]

I went to evangelical school that's where I first learned about God and the bible, eventually became born again Christian then had backsliding and problems... A woman who is orthodox Christian and energy healer and mystic helped me I went through exorcism and decided to immediately go get baptized as orthodox Christian. That is how my orthodox Christian journey started

[@pitAlexx]

Energy healer and mystic? Didn't God say to stay away from such people?

[@redemax]

@@pitAlexx that's what happened when Jesus healed on the Sabbath

[@AbletonLiveTechs]

I see nothing wrong with this. I left catholic church and became born again saved in 2016

[@Dienekes678]

May you find your way back home to the Truth one day 🙏

[@ReapingTheHarvest]

You're always welcome to come back home.

[@user-uu8bs8tg1k]

​@Dienekes678 He found the truth. He's born again. Ask christ into you're life. Leave the catholic church. The have so much to answer for. Starting wit the inquisition

[@AbletonLiveTechs]

@@user-uu8bs8tg1k Amen 🙏 All the “catholics” at my former church think im nut because I love and talk about God/Jesus

[@Dienekes678]

@@user-uu8bs8tg1k I have Jesus in my life, thanks. He left us the Sacraments. You choose not to avail of them...that is a tremendous pity. God bless.

[@CountCulture27]

As a Protestant I can say no church is totally right. To claim infallibility is silly at best dishonest at worst. Does your church believe in the Trinity? Does your church believed you’re saved by grace through Jesus and that works do nothing aside from allow others to see the change in you? Does your church preach the Word of God and not some fad, prosperity gospel or something defined by our culture? If so, you’re okay. We need to quit waving our denomination flags and start uniting in cause if not secondary doctrines. Time is running short. Can y’all see the season? Read 2nd Timothy 3. Daniel 12:4. Matthew 24. We are getting close, the birth-pangs are evident. Mercy is more important than whether the bread is actually Christ for 15 minutes.

[@avgeeks5638]

Says the person who starts by saying " as a protestant " lol

[@frankierandle8779]

Faith without works is dead.

[@smith46695]

@@frankierandle8779 that’s not true at all

[@smith46695]

@@frankierandle8779if that was true which it isn’t Jesus wouldn’t have told the thief on the cross he was going to paradise end of argument go back and read scripture

[@Matteo-1]

@@smith46695 James 2:17 says that faith without works is dead. By this, it is meant that true faith causes good works. Can a good tree bear bad fruit? What is in the Spirit is brought forth in the actions of a person. It is not the works that save us, but it is fully the faith in Jesus, but if we have true faith we will do good things. This doesn't mean we have to go out every day and feed the homeless, but it means that when we have an opportunity to do good we will, and we will want to do good for it is what God wants.

[@herbladyHCG]

A key point worthy of note is how the talk started- three main factions- Catholic, Protestant Orthodox. Therein lies the problem. None went all the way back to Christ, hence the division. Or do I have it backwards? 1 Corinthians 1:13 is Christ divided? We know there should be no schism in the Body, so something is wrong .🤔

[@martapfahl940]

Actually Orthodox and Protestans should be have a very huge understanding for each other. Both branches left catholicism due to false teachings. Orthodox because of Filioque, Protestans because of everything that is contrary to what scripture teaches.

[@SonsOfTitans]

To be clear, I believe the Catholic Church holds in its teachings the fullness of the Truth of the Church Christ established. But, given the state of the world, I think it's time we set aside our differences and disagreements and come together. For, it's clear that our greatest enemy and troubles are not to be found within the walls of our churches and different denominations, but in the work of the enemy - who has run rampant through our culture, and is marshaling his forces against the members of the faithful. There is nothing Satan would want more than for the faithful servants of Christ to be fighting amongst ourselves while the wolves at our door seek to tear us apart.

[@IesusChristusVivit]

Amen, even if I am not Catholic and I don't agree with you brothers and sisters, I have no intentions to argue with you nor any other denominational brothers and sisters, absolutely agree differences and disagreements are a MUST to be set aside, what do we achieve with sowing discord among ourselves, which is abomination to God Proverbs 6:16-19... Amen, the enemy is moving as our close ones are arguing, it is time to say STOP to it and we should all come out to show to the enemy what a man of God can do! Prayers and blessings to you and your close ones!

[@SonsOfTitans]

@@IesusChristusVivit Same to you, brother. God be with you and yours

[@folofus4815]

Luther wrote to the Orthodox. They viewed him as a complete heretic, because he was.

[@tigstuersumo6454]

I'm Protestant from Ethiopia 🇪🇹

[@monroe1258]

Luther started out a faithful Catholic, devoted to the church and even had a great love for mother Mary. But during his fight with the church, his own self importance and pride gave way for the devil to take hold...by the time he left the church, he had gone from a sane, faithful catholic to crazed deluded prideful man who himself reported having many conversations with satan himself. Where they would start throwing feces at eachother. ( this is written by Luther himself...side note, exorcist s have said humans handling feces in such a way is a sign of possession). The devil used a faithful man ( Luther) and Luthers pride and disdain for the pope to convince Luther, in his pride, he knew better than the church, so he left...taking many souls with him. Luther is no different than satan himself. Both were once close and obedient to God, but in a state of pride, but convinced themselves better than God, better than His church, and as the devil convinced many angels to fall with him by making them believe him...Luther took many faithful Catholics away from Jesus's established Catholic church. The fractures of the creation of denominations , are a result of division...the devil is the source of division. GOD is a God of UNITY. God wanted ONE BODY, ONE CHURCH not 33,000 " denominations " all teaching something different, because some bible school graduate thinks He knows more than the other guy.

[@cincinnaticobra5477]

Not accurate my brother. Luther knew about the Orthodox Church 🤣. Hilarious to assume any catholic wouldn’t have known about them, much less a priest. He also knew about Islam and his own writing about it shows he considered it superior to Christianity. His true problem was with authority and he wanted to start his own church where he was the authority. He even tried to organize the Protestants in a council a decade after his revolution and when they wouldn’t submit to his authority on beliefs they split into pieces leaving him outraged. Many saints have reported visions of hell where they saw him burning.

[@SimplePerson-zq9tj]

which saints, explain please, would like to do a bit of research on this topic

[@SeanusAurelius]

Luther wrote an entire book about the Turks and how bad Islam was. Whatever potted history you are reading is flat out lying.

[@rl2388]

Some said Luther disagree with one pope and ended up making thousands of 'new pope' with different teachings.

[@NP-vk8de]

Actually there was six bad popes prior and during Luther’s time. He never wanted to split from Rome and was not responsible for creating “new popes” that fault lies with the Catholic hierarchy

[@Matteo-1]

There aren't really new popes. The way I see it is that the Body of Christ needed reformation and to stop with the religious problems that Jesus hated in his own time. While there are a few obviously false new church doctrines, most protestants have one thing in common. Although we may have different denominations and different small beliefs, we all agree that Jesus and the Word of God has ultimate power, and as long as we have true faith and love, even if we are wrong sometimes, we will be part of the Body of Christ.

[@iociccio936]

​@@Matteo-1GO AWAY LUCIFER !

[@iociccio936]

​@@Matteo-1YOU PROTESTANTS KEEP PERSECUTING THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST !

[@Matteo-1]

@@iociccio936 I am not lucifer, neither do I persecute a church. I am just a follower of Jesus Christ and a part of the Body of Christ who feels the need to call out when a group of Christians are doing something that goes against what Jesus taught. Also, KZbin is probably deleting your comments because of spamming, not because of what you are saying. Try not to make 20 comments to one person, just put it all into one comment.

[@giocrypt5148]

Pope Leo did answer his questions

[@reddhedds]

I really love and appreciate Mar Mari but most of the history he just cited is incorrect

[@stvenr]

Best thing that ever happened to any Christian is the Holy Bible and the freedom to practice what it says. The worst thing are the so called church heads who think they have the power and authority to invalidate the Gospel of Christ and lord tyranny, bias, ego and their own erroneous doctrine over believers.

[@julietpreethigeorge6537]

Sorry . Jesus is the saviour. I think luther wanted to marry.

[@Crocs_in_the_gym]

There’s some unity in the Protestant denominations. They agree on a lot of main ideas.

[@nicolasvanderwesthuizen2373]

Luther didn't just disagree with a pope, he rediscovered the original Gospel of Grace. Meaning a person is saved by Grace through Faith only. A saved person then lives from his new heart and spirit, living out what is inside. Any works or performance based righteousness is working against the Gospel as it advocates works after being saved as a way to earn righteousness and security of salvation, thus putting man and own performance in the place of the our beautiful Saviour and Lord. In Christ:)

[@benjaminsanders-oz5nu]

Not so fast speedo! that's not true at all but made his own gospel preaching only salvation without works which is completely unbiblical out works and faith they both need to be combined you protestants forget about the book of James. faith without works is dead. but most importantly is to love Christ and follow him despite being protestant or catholic.

[@chrissobolewski5509]

Sola Scriptura, Sola Gracia, Sola Fide are all man-made. There is massive misinterpretation when quoting “through faith alone, and not works of the law” At the end of the best known and loved sermon Mt5-7, in Mt7:24 Jesus said “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who build his house upon the rock.” The key is DOES the words of mine. In “come follow”, we are expected to DO, not just preach and worship. Because it is in DOING that we return our Love to God and therefore build the solid foundation of a relationship that shall withstand all catastrophes that Satan may throw at us.

[@Bobbel888]

Messianic Jews do have a problem with the dogmatic reading of Paul's letters, in parts hard to merge them with e.g. the Gospel of Matthew. The topic is replacement theology, which does not exist in the gospels.

[@jacehansen266]

@@benjaminsanders-oz5nu We don’t disregard the book of James. We say a true living faith will be accompanied by good works therefore a faith without works is a dead faith. But we are initially saved through are faith in Christ alone. Once we give our lives to Christ our changed hearts will produce good works which God has prepared beforehand.(Ephesians 2:10)

[@SeanusAurelius]

@@benjaminsanders-oz5nu Look up Luther and the antinomians if you think he didn't care about works. He taught - rightly - that you are not saved by works, although they are evidence of a true faith and indeed must result from true faith if it is true.

[@iociccio936]

UNBELIEVABLE THAT ALL THESE PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS STILL KNOW BEST & STILL PERSECUTE THE CHURCH THAT JESUS CHRIST ESTABLISHED 2,000 YEARS AGO, THE HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH 💒☦

[@danielbudiono7232]

funny you say that when roman is the one who crucified Jesus

[@aliszhinchaenz]

Satan knows he cannot destroy the Catholic Church, so what he did was create 44,000 churches to mislead the faithful

[@roshankurien203]

@@danielbudiono7232 yup and Paul killed a lot of Christian’s too.. so what.. what logic is that.

[@jennatolls9846]

Yeah, you need to give it a rest that the Catholic church is the bee's knees. Just look at the history for one. Catholicism contains true believers for sure, but they are also elsewhere, in other flavours of Christianity. It's the intent that matters. A lot of Catholic history is perverted by being a politico-religious force that is really, really terrible, evil in fact. So talking in all CAPS and even about persecution, you sound dumb.