Marble size sorting machine

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pocket83

pocket83

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@thomaskaldahl196
@thomaskaldahl196 6 жыл бұрын
its really satisfying how the marbles appear to slow down before they drop, as if each marble has a final destination in mind and slows down in anticipation for its arrival in its new home
@bigabong7119
@bigabong7119 6 жыл бұрын
Thomas Kaldahl dude. This thing needs more likes.
@caseykoons
@caseykoons 7 жыл бұрын
I like it when you get mathematical. Thanks for your hard work.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the appreciation!
@RedScaledKnight1
@RedScaledKnight1 7 жыл бұрын
it's great to watch. he's also got great mechanical advice ;)
@Jer_Schmidt
@Jer_Schmidt 7 жыл бұрын
The way they brake smoothly to a (near) stop before dropping is so satisfying :) Really cool device!
@deeredmond8285
@deeredmond8285 6 жыл бұрын
Being creative and logical is a curse, but watching you use both sides of your brain at the same time... WONDERFUL (I don't feel so alone now) I bet you drive other people crazy too, so much more to say but jumbles up... Thanks for the inspiration and a fresh breath of air
@earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542
@earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542 7 жыл бұрын
I think it is neat that the marbles automatically slow down right before falling through.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
No they don't! They're just following a curved path. Along and then down, which is longer. They are actually speeding up- watch the spin. Mindblow.
@KainYusanagi
@KainYusanagi 7 жыл бұрын
They still slow down with regards to horizontal movement, though, though they do not slow down entirely. ;P
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
I guess you're right; they slow down rapidly with respect to that. In fact, they stop making horizontal progress entirely once they hit the bin.
@KainYusanagi
@KainYusanagi 7 жыл бұрын
Haha. I was referring to the frame of reference of them on the sorting slide, as Earthbjorn stated, but that's true as well.
@Keldor314
@Keldor314 7 жыл бұрын
To see what's happening here, think of the part of the marble in contact with the tracks. It will roll on circles near the end of each side of the marble, right over the point of contact. As the bars move further apart, the circles shrink, since they get closer and closer to the ends of the marble, until finally they shrink away to nothing and the marble falls through. I diagram would be useful here, but I don't have one :-P Anyway, the smaller the circles of rolling contact get, the faster the marble must spin to move at the same speed, just like a small wheel has to spin more than a big wheel to cover the same ground. Since friction is keeping the marble from slipping as it goes down the track, it has to spin faster and faster. At the end, right as the circle shrinks to nothing, the marble would have to spin infinitely fast, but of course it starts slipping eventually. Still, this is why the marble slows down before it falls - more and more of the momentum from rolling downhill is pulled in to angular momentum to make the marble spin faster and faster as the circle of contact shrinks away, until the marble very nearly stops right before it falls through. The higher the friction between the marble and the track, the closer it will come to stopping. To demonstrate this, it would be cool to run some rubber balls down the track ;-)
@lank_asif
@lank_asif 7 жыл бұрын
pocket83 When you adjust the bars to further sort the selected "average sized marbles" you should take one of the smallest outlying marbles and set the top of the sorting device to the width of that marble. Now you'll be sorting the marbles more finely over the entire length of the device and should more closely recreate the theoretical curve. As it stands, the sorting only begins at about a quarter of the way down and so your results will be less accurate. This is just my suggestion. as I love the concept and your content is fantastic.
@UPWNU
@UPWNU 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome approach to something that was nothing but laborious to learn in my AP Statistics class in high school. It's always a great pleasure when you do maths in your videos. :)
@AndreaArzensek
@AndreaArzensek 7 жыл бұрын
I could watch that marble sorting all day long, simple - yet fascinating!
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Ha! I know what you mean. I found myself staring at it for a long time. That's why I left the opening footage so long.
@mattjohnston2
@mattjohnston2 7 жыл бұрын
Hey, it's good to see a vid! It's funny...I have absolutely no intention of making a marble sorter. No need, no desire. But I thoroughly enjoyed the video! It's almost like sitting down with a friend and having a conversation about one of HIS interests. I don't have to have any "take away" from a conversation like that to enjoy it. So...thanks! I also appreciate the metric conversion ;)
@AndreaArzensek
@AndreaArzensek 7 жыл бұрын
I just watched How it's made on Tinned Pineapple and guess which method they use to sort the pineapples to sizes :) I instantly remembered your video! Cheers!
@steveschierholz5272
@steveschierholz5272 4 жыл бұрын
You did a good job. The way you sorted the marbles by color was amazing. So they got sorted twice.
@jordanengdahl4418
@jordanengdahl4418 7 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it is beyond the scope of your expertise, but a video on carburetors would be very interesting. Such a delightful little mechanism in a small, inexpensive and mechanical package.
@Makebuildmodify
@Makebuildmodify 7 жыл бұрын
You must have presorted the marbles in the beginning of the video. Right? It really had me thinking. There are other possibilities that would cause the same separation to occur, but I would assume them to be more unlikely.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@zachell1991
@zachell1991 7 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same thing.
@lance00000000000000
@lance00000000000000 6 жыл бұрын
zachell1991 same
@TimothyHall13
@TimothyHall13 7 жыл бұрын
I really like this. We human beings do have a hard time adjusting to statistical concepts and this does a great job of illustrating distributions. I imagine if that you would have set the rails by choosing the largest of the large group and the smallest of the small group you might have ended up with an even more normal looking distribution? Thanks Pocket!
@dmoore3722
@dmoore3722 7 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so inspirational and thought-provoking, thanks for sharing!
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting me know that you like it!
@danno1111
@danno1111 7 жыл бұрын
Could very well be that the distribution isn't normal, depends entirely on the method that the marbles are made. If they rolled the molten glass between two steel rollers to form the sphere, there's a set upper boundary to the size, and the distribution would fall off from there in the smaller sizes, depending on the temperature of the glass or something else. Not to say that that's how they do it or that there isn't a normal distribution, just that that's a possibility.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Good point. Similarly, when I adjusted the lower part of the device (and not the top), I only extended the variance of the new set in one direction, larger; there was, in this case, also a boundary... wait... technically, that's not right- since the parallel bars had a new, completely different slope after the adjustment. Who knows? Though provoking stuff, isn't it?
@MrAsylumEscapee
@MrAsylumEscapee 6 жыл бұрын
Think you are correct that you only extend the variance in one direction: by adjusting the lower part of the device only, you apply a linear transformation to the set, with width at the very bottom changing by X, and width at the very top not changing at all. This would skew the entire distribution to the left, since all marbles will fall off later. The variance will increase, but strictly in one direction. (Since marbles cannon physically fall off sooner).
@MacJohnsonFarm
@MacJohnsonFarm 11 ай бұрын
I came here looking for inspiration for a DIY machine to sort nuts by size. Fascinating watch. Thank you.
@pocket83
@pocket83 11 ай бұрын
Thanks. That's a much harder problem. The first idea to spring to mind is a rotating, vibrating drum that has thickness-based slots which would allow smaller nuts to escape. Might need some oil. Same theme as this video: over time, math gets closer and closer; eventually, all the small nuts _will_ escape! I'd be interested to hear what you come up with.
@randyt
@randyt 7 жыл бұрын
Another great video! It would be interesting to see this incorporated into a marble machine as a way to direct marbles onto different paths.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
That would be spectacular. Imagine a double helix using two different colors. It would be mesmerizing to watch it self-sort and then spiral down around itself.
@ComplexVariables
@ComplexVariables 6 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful demonstration for a statistical reasoning class!! Will keep you updated if I can find a makerspace student to make one and then try it in class.
@pocket83
@pocket83 6 жыл бұрын
Great. I'm also glad that you 'get' the big picture that it's a useful metaphor; I've received some criticism from statistics nerds over it not producing a _true_ Gaussian distribution. As if I could be expected to use an infinite number of compartments. I think this would be great for discussion in a class.
@ComplexVariables
@ComplexVariables 6 жыл бұрын
What in RL is actually a normal distribution?? I totally got that you were just pointing out a very typical distributional shape. I suspect marble makers have an idea of a "good" theoretical distribution model considering the manufacturing process (some kind of Gamma distribution perhaps ) Anyway, I am amazed about the sensitivity the results are to the deflection the marbles placed on the steel rods, a nice example of noise reduction.
@PAFrogBoy
@PAFrogBoy 7 жыл бұрын
The first year engineering class at my university assigns a semester-long group project, where we have to design a marble sorter and barcode reader out of a Lego Mindstorms kit, which has some motors, and various types of sensors such as touch or light/color sensors, and program it with LabVIEW. The finished product should be able to read a barcode containing a prescription of certain size/color marbles to collect, and fill out the dosage from a pool of about 75 marbles. It was a very challenging project and this video made me think back to it and how crappy our design was
@Nevir202
@Nevir202 7 жыл бұрын
I think a sorting system like this would be a really cool feature on a very large marble machine. You could have several separate tracks which each use a single color of marble, then they all merge to go through the last section together, and then as they are lifted back to the beginning of the course, have an array of these sorting them back out so that they continue to go down the course with the same color marbles again and again.
@KainYusanagi
@KainYusanagi 7 жыл бұрын
I know this may sound weird, but... could you do a video of you just sorting all your marbles using this machine? The tink of the marble on metal, the slight sound as it rolls, the tap of it hitting the wood then another marble, it's all just so soothing.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
It's not that weird! There's lots of videos like that out there.
@KainYusanagi
@KainYusanagi 7 жыл бұрын
I meant weird in the context of asking you specifically to do it, but yeah, that's actually exactly why I asked.
@Checkedbox
@Checkedbox 7 жыл бұрын
You have the best sounds, the audio is so clear and crisp
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so. I often wonder about that. Usually, if they aren't complaining, I don't worry about it.
@RobertMilesAI
@RobertMilesAI 3 жыл бұрын
How much variance is there in the process? If you put the same marble through 100 times, what's the spread on where they fall through?
@pocket83
@pocket83 3 жыл бұрын
Marbles each have their own personality. The more egg-shaped ones will give a wider spread. In general, consumer marbles with a reasonably high tolerance will fall into the same cell 7 or 8 times out of ten.* This is a great question, because in projects where precision marbles are needed (yes, that's a thing for me), variance is a key consideration in the marbles that I select. My usual method for establishing a tolerance goes something like, _this set must land in cell x at least five out of six times._ Variance has everything to do with roundness. *Note that this is largely dependent on the distributor. In my experience, craft stores have the least consistent quality marbles, and, perhaps ironically, dollar stores usually have flawless gems mixed into their $1 per 100 ct 'variety' bags. Seriously--I've found like nearly optical quality marbles there in at least one case.
@RobertMilesAI
@RobertMilesAI Жыл бұрын
Ah it makes a lot of sense that it's about roundness. I guess it might end up depending a lot on the orientation it's placed down in. Like, it might end up rolling around its major axis and seem bigger, or around its minor axis and seem smaller, or somewhere in between. But there's no easy way I can think of to control for that
@BrebtaGamesSK
@BrebtaGamesSK 6 жыл бұрын
You should put a funel on the start where you can just put many marbles at once
@GretgorPooper
@GretgorPooper 6 жыл бұрын
There's something so satisfying about the sound of marbles falling on wood.
@billyvillacis9975
@billyvillacis9975 7 жыл бұрын
This will prove invaluable in my upcoming marble line-breeding experiment!
@earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542
@earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542 7 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the same thing but with smaller bins to get finer resolution on sorting and make a better distribution "graph".
@Dapstart
@Dapstart 7 жыл бұрын
This is the quality content I love seeing from you. Brilliant ideas as always :D
@MrBlahChannel
@MrBlahChannel 7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're back. Comfy video too
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks ;)
@misoman
@misoman 7 жыл бұрын
I could watch those marbles all day. I hope we're getting a pocket squared video on this later, wink wink
@genghiskhan6688
@genghiskhan6688 7 жыл бұрын
It is so satisfying to watch those marbles rolling ...plz post a video of just that
@Newmachinist
@Newmachinist 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great videos - really interesting and educational. Thanks Rod
@ian-duh
@ian-duh 7 жыл бұрын
I'm just more impressed that it's the same colors in the same categories at first.
@Mike_Hoffmann
@Mike_Hoffmann 7 жыл бұрын
Damn! Nice unit. Now I need to find my marbles.
@PinBox3000
@PinBox3000 4 жыл бұрын
The reason the marbles slow down before they drop is very easy to explain: Magic.
@custersword7746
@custersword7746 7 жыл бұрын
Very cool machine for sorting and statistics.
@MrUltramove
@MrUltramove 7 жыл бұрын
Semi automatic loading mechanism would be great for this, so you can let each marble sort without bumping into each other but increase sorting speed for big sets of marbles. Just some loading chamber, channel to line marbles and pushing leaver with rubber band to push it back to lock position. Hope you dont mind this input, love your idea, your loyal fan.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
That would be cool. It would also be fun. I wanted to make it as simple as possible though.
@alfredneumann4692
@alfredneumann4692 7 жыл бұрын
In the Gauss-Distribution modell all marbles have the same diameter and go all through the same opening. Then they fall down through a bunch of nails (or similar). I have build this years ago for a demonstration in an institut in a University in Germany. The plan was in a mathematicsbook. Not really, but i used the schematic and build a 1m (about 3 feet?) model. Was a nice project with many try and error. Cheerio from Germany
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
That sounds like the original Pachinko machines. It can be used for gambling. In that case, you can have jackpots on the tail-ends of the curve, and the 'house' still wins. Note: I don't gamble. Ever.
@nickm5911
@nickm5911 7 жыл бұрын
Another amazing video! Awesome job!
@jin3784
@jin3784 7 жыл бұрын
In an earlier video, you stated you wouldn't be a good teacher in a classroom because you get to edit out your mistakes, but this video demonstrates that you could be a very helpful *online* teacher! Y'know, maybe something along the lines of Khan Academy, or a Pearson example video.
@feygilo8601
@feygilo8601 7 жыл бұрын
So glad your back!
@HKKyoya
@HKKyoya 4 жыл бұрын
Watching the marbles get sorted is eye candy. Now what if you turned it into a display? Where the marbles get automatically re-fed into the top. I think I'd never get any work done...
@saartal4524
@saartal4524 7 жыл бұрын
Nice design. Another option (crude) is using sifts of various sizes - which I have made Thanks for sharing
@azimovwatts6425
@azimovwatts6425 7 жыл бұрын
for some reason this reminds me of the "wave resonance" produced in the single particle double slit experiments.
@markfoxwell79
@markfoxwell79 7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Have you seen how ping pong balls are spherically graded? They are rolled down a wide straight ramp towards 5 collection areas - the balls that go through the centre collection area (least deviance from a straight line of release) are graded 3*, the 2 areas either side of that are 1* and the rest are ungraded balls. I think this could be easily replicated for any projects where roundness in key.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, that is really clever! But what if a malformed blob came out? It would just slide down the center of the ramp ;( Note: grade -1* are probably used specially for carnival games!
@Lemongrasspicker
@Lemongrasspicker 7 жыл бұрын
That is clever, nice work sir!
@Wordsnwood
@Wordsnwood 7 жыл бұрын
The opening 45 seconds was OH SO SATISFYING to an OCD'ish personality. :-)
@darfjono
@darfjono 7 жыл бұрын
i saw some marbles push other marbles further down, is that a major problem?
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Not often. The weird ones do jam the device sometimes. But you have to expect some anomalies, deformities, and unlikely events. That's the nature of it! You can always repeat the run to get better results.
@nicholaslau3194
@nicholaslau3194 7 жыл бұрын
Do one marble at a time. Only put the next one in once you see the previous one has fallen
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Agreed. But patience is easier said than done!
@KainYusanagi
@KainYusanagi 7 жыл бұрын
You could add on a funnel system with a rotary paddle release mechanism at a certain tension so it only releases marbles as a steady drop rate, so no two marbles will interact on the guide, no?
@White-ul3dl
@White-ul3dl 7 жыл бұрын
pocket83 why seperate by size when they are all sizes are different colours?
@Gunbudder
@Gunbudder 7 жыл бұрын
you are graphing the random errors introduced during manufacturing and it is pretty cool. theoretically, if there was no random error, they would all be in the same cell. also, if the difference in diameter was deliberate, the shape of the curve might be different. very interesting. i don't like your pile of sand analogy though because the shape of the sand has to do with the particle size of the grains, and gravity (and not randomness).
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
A pile of sand _is_ a distribution. It has both a center of mass and a geometric center, which are types of averages. The forces that provide the variables for its measurable characteristics are incidental. I stand by the analogy ;) And there is no such thing as random!
@Gunbudder
@Gunbudder 7 жыл бұрын
pocket83 ok, fair enough. It's a good analogy :). Thanks for the video btw
@jwrm22
@jwrm22 7 жыл бұрын
Sorting marbles can be a start of a analog computer. Each marble representing an instruction. Ran trough the 'computer' one at the time.
@hiimapop7755
@hiimapop7755 7 жыл бұрын
Ayy Its been a while! Good to see you upload a new video again!
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm also working on a build video, so expect some more soon ;)
@trentw26
@trentw26 7 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! What possible reason could someone have for disliking the video.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
I think it's more of a case of them disliking _me._ I mean, no real human being dislikes watching pretty rolling marbles organize themselves, unless they've gone completely deranged.
@trentw26
@trentw26 7 жыл бұрын
Well as far as them being deranged, I concur. One might say, they have lost their marbles.
@b5a5m5
@b5a5m5 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what sort of tolerances can be achieved with this type of sorter. I've been playing with the idea of using this to sort airsoft bbs for use in 3d printed bearings. I imagine the precision on the initial rods is what would be the main factor in the machines sorting capability coupled with the rigidity of those rods. Maybe some long precision ground shoulder bolts if there are any long enough... Oh! Perhaps linear bearing rods would work well!
@pocket83
@pocket83 3 жыл бұрын
Look for an old printer. The rods inside are flawlessly smooth and precise. With respect to tolerance, mine uses inexpensive zinc-plated rod, and it goes way beyond my visual acuity. If you really _need_ to know a numerical value, get back to me and I'll take some measurements. Good luck.
@kosdan
@kosdan 7 жыл бұрын
What surprises me is that the rods are straight enough that it doesn't affect the device. I wouldn't think that they would come so straight. If any rods was just the slightest bit bent or warped or changed thickness you would see the distribution be incorrectly skewed.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Good point. The zinc coated rods did come from the store unusually straight. However, even if they weren't, the device would still work so long as no adjustments were made between distributions. A distribution would still be in there, even if it were skewed a bit in places, so you can still find a subset of marbles that share a particular size. You just conjured the picture of me looking at a Bell curve through a glass-block window; the curve is continuous, but it would have local maxes and minimums. I want to add that a rod can also be bend-straightened to a pretty high tolerance just by sighting down it and using your eye, especially in the case of thick rods like the 5/15" ones used here. I also want to add that the device here was for sorting marbles to a reasonable standard: so while it's fun to question, speculate, and critique, it's also somewhat silly to think too far into such a novelty. lol. I struggle with that sometimes. But really, the thing does have a certain (unavoidable) amount of error. Supreme precision and accuracy would likely involve fancy optics, lasers, and other tech that is squarely out of reach for a troglodytic carpenter such as myself.
@kosdan
@kosdan 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to reply and share your insights. I liked your glass-block window analogy.
@LINGLING-ep8ev
@LINGLING-ep8ev 6 жыл бұрын
shouldn't be too hard having a funnel above the machine allowing you to dump a bunch of marbles and let it do its thing? your genius enough!
@SethPortland
@SethPortland 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks now I can tell my senile grandma how to get her marbles sorted.
@MrMagicBlox
@MrMagicBlox 7 жыл бұрын
What if you made it so that the bars were movable (within a guide of course) and you set values to the compartments on the tray. Then give players marbles and have them try to get the highest score within 3 moves. I imagine that the coordination required to move the ramp to keep the marble on the "ramp" would be challenging. The higher scores/values would be closer to the top. Play would start the marble at the bottom and move the rails to get the marble closer to them. The physics of this would make an interesting video in itself.
@bubblegumcat6822
@bubblegumcat6822 7 жыл бұрын
I apologise for this comment being irrelevant to this specific video, but I remember a video you made a while ago with interesting imagery and nice cinematography, and I looked though both of your channels without a sign of it. It's a little disappointing, since I wished to see it again but I respect your choice to delete it. Your videos are great, and I'm glad that I came across you when I did.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. What was the premise of the video?
@bubblegumcat6822
@bubblegumcat6822 7 жыл бұрын
pocket83 I don't remember things well, but I know it had multiple shots of the sky (I believe from a swing), a grasshopper/cricket in a jar and other similar things. It sounds silly, I know, but I found it very interesting and strangely soothing.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
That was last year's wildly unpopular Halloween video. It's now unlisted. Here's the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5mkn4Rtm9iGmrM
@Handsy_McGee
@Handsy_McGee 7 жыл бұрын
Just saw an ad for "Tumblestix". You called it in that kururin video, man.
@mversantvoort
@mversantvoort 7 жыл бұрын
Simple yet very cool!
@charliecollard6433
@charliecollard6433 6 жыл бұрын
Neat how they slow down before dropping, ....!
@Keldor314
@Keldor314 7 жыл бұрын
One thing about marbles is that they're generally not very perfect spheres. It would be interesting to take all the marbles that fall into one bin and run them through the sorter, unaltered, again, to see if they still land in the same bin. Incidentally, when they sell ball bearings, they have grades according to how perfectly spherical they are. Found this out when I needed to get 3/8th inch balls for a marble machine.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Repeated trials *will* increase precision. There are certainly defects, but manufacturers are aiming at spherical in general, so they often are quite close. Still, there's a reasonable degree of quality that you will try to achieve with this gizmo, that is, a spot that rests within a certain variance. Once that sweet spot is found, the marbles that hit the same bin a few time in a row are extremely spherical; variations and anomalies will readily register as a different size occasionally. All things considered, I'm more impressed by the sphericity that marble makers have achieved than their ability to sort within a tight size tolerance- not that most kids care what size they are while they are rolling the things around on the porch.
@homer2336
@homer2336 7 жыл бұрын
Wish I could use this concept to sort laundry.
@jkell42
@jkell42 7 жыл бұрын
As I am watching, I wonder why not make a hopper?
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Simplicity.
@Jaynautic
@Jaynautic 7 жыл бұрын
This could probably replace manual sorting labor with using electricity (if the system is refined).
@toushevtsurpe8568
@toushevtsurpe8568 6 жыл бұрын
it's simple BUT AWESOME!
@Alphabetac
@Alphabetac 5 жыл бұрын
"okay okay i dont want to bore you..." I literally came here to listen to the sound of the marbles being sorted
@spokehedz
@spokehedz 6 жыл бұрын
I think (this is all theoretical) if you wanted to get your marbles into sizes that you actually want, and not have to adjust the rig many many times, you could use a known size to set the bars apart. Or, if you were moving from something with very precise tolerances (Ball bearings) to lower tolerance (Ebay/dollarstore marbles) you could set the bars for that known, working size. So if you were designing something around, say, pachinko balls... But they are more expensive, and heavy since they are metal. So whatever the reason, you need to switch from them to marbles. Since the metal ball bearings are mass produced and require tight tolerances to work in the game, but marbles are not, you would know what size you want (11mm). So, by putting the top of the bars 10mm apart, and the bottom 12mm apart you could get your initial and highly refined sort very quickly. You would probably have to modify the design to kick out the super large marbles on the end, as you would probably have lots of them because of the initial sort being very precise. Maybe I'm over-thinking it...
@nbayoungboyrichtvgaming676
@nbayoungboyrichtvgaming676 6 жыл бұрын
Wow nice marbels
@lance00000000000000
@lance00000000000000 6 жыл бұрын
So why dont marble making companies have this sorter? I guess it's because its not super important for most people who buy marbles but idk. Also the first run you can not find much of a slope but if you re run each section of the first run in order and add them in it would be more accurate and another better way would be to lower the decline on both the rails lower and collecting system plus lower the height of the drop then instead of a few dividers you could have alot of ridges to hold them in place with an average marbles distance between them so they are all in order basically from smallest to largest. The lessened height would just make it so the marbles wont bounce over the ridges or roll too far down the rails. Anyway very interesting video, thanks for sharing this with everyone! Edit: the second option would give a much better visualization of the average size but is passed the whole point of the size sorter as it would not be as simple to group them together because you would end up with many groups, which i guess would only be better for extremely precise projects
@zaxonov
@zaxonov 7 жыл бұрын
To avoid the bending problem while adding a lot of precision of the sorting process, I imagine a multiple pair of bars builded like the original Donkey Kong game :D However, fine tuning this sorter could be tricky I think...
@초초-l5g
@초초-l5g 6 жыл бұрын
Can you make a funnel that lets marbles pass through with a window gap of 1 second?
@hovissimo
@hovissimo 7 жыл бұрын
I didn't see you address repeatability. I imagine most marbles aren't all that spherical, and so the same marble might fall into different bins on consecutive runs when your bars start approaching parallel. This might actually be a good technique to measure sphericity in your marbles too! (A more consistent binning at very tight tolerances suggests a more spherical marble)
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Yes! Exactly.
@Cumbernauld
@Cumbernauld 7 жыл бұрын
Upload more your vids are awesome
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
I'll try to have one next week. This stuff isn't easy to make, so bear with me!
@randallmcclain6368
@randallmcclain6368 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding!!
@homunkoloss6782
@homunkoloss6782 7 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the Marble Machine (x) that wintergatan is building right now
@milkproductions8127
@milkproductions8127 6 жыл бұрын
Have you tried a hopper mechanism so you won’t have to do it one by one?
@zacharynovkov-bloom4933
@zacharynovkov-bloom4933 7 жыл бұрын
This is really cool, love your content! Could you try making some sort of web shooter using the two liquids 1 6 hexanediamine and sebacoyl chloride?
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
No. It smells too bad. And it burns.
@Dman0001
@Dman0001 6 жыл бұрын
Pocket should be a math teacher. He's also head and shoulders above bill Nye as a scientist
@KagemandenDK
@KagemandenDK 6 жыл бұрын
Can you make this much bigger to sort cans and tennisballs?
@parththummar9110
@parththummar9110 Жыл бұрын
Hello @pocket83 Very nice idea. Does this machine work for sorting of balls of size 10.1 mm and 10.2 mm?
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Жыл бұрын
Of course. You may need to modify some dimensions, but yes, the basic premise will work. My machine can easily detect size discrepancies of 0.5 mm (on average). You can increase the machine's sensitivity (precision) in two ways: 1) by moving its bars closer to parallel, and/or 2) by reducing the distance between the collection bins. Also note that the effectiveness (accuracy) of the machine can be increased by running multiple trials. The more perfectly spherical the balls are that you're sorting, the fewer trials you will need in order to accurately sort them. Marbles are really imperfect, so they take a few trials.
@parththummar9110
@parththummar9110 Жыл бұрын
@@pocket83squared Okay, Will do that and try. Thanks a lot for reply.
@Majoofi
@Majoofi 7 жыл бұрын
Are different color marbles ways of coding the sizes? I was surprised to see that in the first batch it sorted colors exactly.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Not exactly. Different styles usually have different averages, since they have a different history. But those averages overlap, since most marbles are around 9/16". The opening shot was made by using pre-sorted sets.
@AlexJohnson-un5mb
@AlexJohnson-un5mb 7 жыл бұрын
could you build some sort of hopper to feed the marbles in? to save you having to place them on one by one.
@imp3r1alx
@imp3r1alx 7 жыл бұрын
wow.. i like how they kinda slow down for a bit before falling down.. as if they know it's their stop =D
@jeffadams9736
@jeffadams9736 7 жыл бұрын
Is it an optical illusion, or do the marbles reverse rotation as they drop between the rails? I cannot think of a reason they would, but they appear to.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
They do not. Ceiling fans and car wheels often do something similar when video recorded. It has to do with a pattern that emerges from capturing a specific number of frames per second. Your brain puts what it sees together wrong! A similar cool phenomenon is the Moire effect. Screen doors do it. Here- I made a video a few years ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4u8oXiDpZ1qjtE
@Sludgepump
@Sludgepump 7 жыл бұрын
Fun to watch the rpms go up as the bearing surfaces dia decreases.
@JeremyCook
@JeremyCook 7 жыл бұрын
Would be such a good teaching tool for statistics. Now, how about a device that illustrated Pareto's Principle? Only like 25% joking, I think that would be awesome, though have no idea how it could be done.
@iCONAN1
@iCONAN1 7 жыл бұрын
That’s neat! 😃
@CthulhusDream
@CthulhusDream 7 жыл бұрын
It's all well and good as long as you don't lose your marbles.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Ohmygoodness, I've learned where that expression comes from. This machine dropped another marble under my planer every three minutes. I'm working on the prototype (that this relates to) on the carpet.
@andrewmalaty8
@andrewmalaty8 6 жыл бұрын
You should make a hopper or funnel so you can put all the marbles in at once.
@ihavecancerandaids2737
@ihavecancerandaids2737 7 жыл бұрын
This man needs to become a teacher
@honormarie13
@honormarie13 6 жыл бұрын
Where did you buy your marbles at ? Could you add a link?
@YostPeter
@YostPeter 6 жыл бұрын
Can you build a machine that helps me find my marbles? Thanks.
@ChrisAurora
@ChrisAurora 7 жыл бұрын
I have recently been thinking about this channel whenever @wintergatan has uploaded more videos from the building of Marble Machine X - and even more so now!
@stanleydenning
@stanleydenning 7 жыл бұрын
I see possibilities... A multi run marble machine. Each run for a slightly different size marble. All starting on a single run and than being redistributed by size, than combined back together again just before the lift.
@RCWorks
@RCWorks 7 жыл бұрын
Now you should make a auto-feeder so you don't have to load by hand.
@justwondering5540
@justwondering5540 7 жыл бұрын
OMG where are we going with this ?I'll have to cut more paint cans open to get marbles lol
@rosseatssnakes
@rosseatssnakes 7 жыл бұрын
Why have you not been working with Wintergaten!?
@NathanielMitchellnm
@NathanielMitchellnm 7 жыл бұрын
... And what is your production budget? Kind of hard to consider if we don't know what it is. ;)
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 жыл бұрын
Not much.
@Keldor314
@Keldor314 7 жыл бұрын
Let's see, we already have $6 for the bars (more if you count the ones that didn't quite work), then throw in some nails and a piece of plywood or two to make things out of and... Probably less than $20, less if you already have some wood laying around.
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