Margaret Has to Step Down from Her Royal Duties | The Crown (Olivia Colman, Helena Bonham Carter)

[@ToddMiller-nl2wn]

I admire Princess Margaret. It is said that at a dinner party someone asked her how the queen was. Her response was “To whom are you referring? My mother, my sister or my husband?”

[@Roz-y2d]

She’s not admirable!

[@ToddMiller-nl2wn]

Right. That’s why I admire her.

[@stephaniehiggins3731]

😂🎉

[@Persnikity-yv3nh]

Iconic

[@cornbisque]

😅😅😅

[@onaokeke3267]

I just love the way Elizabeth always be fidgeting/trembling whenever she had to deliver bad news to Margaret..lol..such good acting..with both the younger and older actresses..

[@Jo-pr7bg]

It wasn't like that in real life. Queen Elizabeth II was not scared of Margaret.

[@kazkazzie3906]

​@Jo-pr7bg how do you know? Did you know these people behind closed doors?

[@lonestarguy74]

*was always fidgeting

[@ly_smileylass1427]

Interestingly in the Real Life Entertainment Industry, Both Princess Margaret's Middle-Aged Actress & Queen Elizabeth II's Elderly Actress Once Collaborated with Each Other in "Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix". (As Supporting Villainesses Without Sharing at Least a Scene with Each Other.)

[@LifeAccordingtoMaria]

Helena Bonham Carter always brings a top performance to anything she does. This scene amongst the sisters is amazing to watch.

[@CeeLiberty]

And she never took an acting lesson!

[@minerva8906]

"hello him" lmao

[@paulwild3676]

HBC is brilliant in everything. Terrific in Nolly.

[@w.p.8003]

Yeah, too bad that she's a TERF.

[@ILikeDemocracy7]

Agreed!

[@blaire519]

What I like about this scene is the ticking clock in the background when Margaret is complaining about time

[@timburr4453]

great observation!

[@sherwandabell5568]

Great attention to detail

[@maudlinfaust]

Coincidence - many, many scenes of the Crown have a ticking clock sound when there’s one-on-one dialogue indoors

[@rickbloke17CR]

"So....What do you want? It can't be good news or you wouldn't have brought Lurch" 😂😂😂

[@minerva8906]

i actually laughed so loud in office

[@EnforcerX71]

Good to know that Princess Margaret was a fan of the Addams Family.

[@stephanielaurenbounds4958]

YOU RANG?!

[@devilsfavorite999]

​@@minerva8906why are you watching videos in office

[@creativo4ever564]

​@@devilsfavorite999...why do YOU care?

[@adamthevirgo9297]

“He’s an immature useless boy?” “Yes that may be, but we have to play by the rules.“ The fact that she agreed 🤣🤣🤣

[@simony2801]

And he’s never changed.

[@FllixRouge]

Not hard to do

[@Ben-en3mn]

"He's an immature useless boy" "Yes that may be" Edward getting disrespected by his own Mother XD

[@shaider1982]

Hey, at least he didn't turn out like Andrew.

[@vanillaaudio185]

Well…at least he’s not Andrew

[@Edwards-Videos]

It's a show, not real life.

[@craftforfun36]

This is a disrespectful adaptation of our Royal Family I hate Olivia Colman for portraying our Queen in my opinion The Crown is the biggest piece of bullshit ever written second only to Bridgerton

[@craftforfun36]

Are you for real please don’t tell me 🥴🤭🤭🤭you believe this is factual

[@Zenobiadream]

Helena is an absolute joy to watch on screen. She’s sooooooo good! Eats up Every scene.

[@bricktam]

They couldn’t let her have Peter because of her duty but they couldn’t give her that either. And they wonder why she went crazy.

[@allshookup1640]

She didn’t “go crazy.” She had legitimate mental health issues as well as substance abuse problems. Not to mention ENORMOUS amounts of stress in her life. She wasn’t crazy. She just needed help and support that she didn’t get

[@glen7318]

@@allshookup1640 terrible stress

[@sadjaxx]

Oh please, they use this made up excuse every single time when in fact the poor woman had no choice whatsoever.

[@robertbarrett2494]

Her roller coaster with Tony Jones .

[@wickedwitchoftheeast88]

​@@allshookup1640 Exactly! I also read Margaret was absolutely devastated by her father's death that she was put on valium to help her sleep. She would have been early 20s when he died and prescription meds like valium were easily available back then I believe "mothers little helpers" was the phrase in the 50s and 60s

[@Otaku155]

As a historian, unfortunately, I am firmly on the side of the Queen here. By this time, it was well known that Margaret was a severe alcoholic, addicted to several substances, and that she was displaying symptoms of the personality disorders which have increasingly plagued the Royal family throughout the last two centuries. It was Elizabeth's duty to safeguard the institution of the crown, and that is what she did.

[@NM-ub6ml]

It's a very abusive institution and harms the people in it and wider society. It really needs abolished.

[@sadjaxx]

Are you referring to inbreeding?

[@Kaythegardener-w5x]

Margaret was at risk from alcoholism, from her mother?

[@ShineMin-ig3cj]

Facts

[@Ashbrash1998]

Would have been better to actually try and help her sister out then take the one type of work she had and leave her alone to be miserable.

[@annab9994]

Strangely enough her majesty remembered about “the rules” only when she didn’t want to bend them…

[@Roz-y2d]

@@esthergift8373Are you American? Her Majesty certainly bent the rules when necessary but she didn’t break them. Princess Margaret was a spoilt, entitled mean spirited person, who thought about no one but herself. Get real, our Queen would not be seen breaking the rules just because her sister was bored!

[@arynrowland862]

@@Roz-y2dNo, but she could do it when her son got bored with his first wife, or when her other son was implicated in the Epstein mess. She had no problem bending the rules when it was *her* children, and *her* legacy.

[@janneyb1]

If she has fixed all these nonsense. This royal rift bw H&W won't be this way. They always discard the Spare whenever they have no use for them. Margaret was her sister for crying out loud. Her spare.

[@paulinedouet6740]

En réalité oui pire que dans la série ​@@esthergift8373

[@stephenmcginnis5789]

No, even the Monarch has to follow an Act of Parliament. The problem with the Crown is that it makes it as if the Sovereign gets to make decisions. They are bound to follow the advice of their Prime Minister.

[@dakotaslim]

So beautifully conceived and acted that you occasionally forget how absurd the existence of a monarchy is.

[@Jo-pr7bg]

It's not real. The Crown is largely made up. This conversation probably never happened.

[@R.Oates7902]

The monarchy is very outdated!

[@michellesayers5346]

Don't be stupid

[@falconeshield]

Like the 14 years of Tory rule didn't almost make the people miss the royals ruling over them ​@@R.Oates7902

[@KingAgniKai]

Wrong

[@Dekins]

Every word and sound I heard from Margaret (Helena) , I see the Red Queen with my eyes closed

[@weltonvillegal6258]

Nah, I go for Bellatrix with that underlying anger

[@thomasdalton1508]

Charities may have preferred the exciting new princess, but there are always more charities wanting royal patrons than can be accommodated so she would never have found it difficult to find patronages. Indeed, she had a great many right up until she died.

[@Rat_Queen86]

That was my point It’s like ‘there’s plenty for you to do woman! Quit whining!’

[@FllixRouge]

Everybody Hated her 😅

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@FllixRouge No, they didn't. People were generally indifferent to her. Charities were happy to have her as patron, since any royal patron is a big boost.

[@pinkosmondfan]

I love their, "Hello, You." "And, hello...Him." LOL

[@SCGMLB]

You mean Lurch?

[@cynthiapena1141]

​@@SCGMLB😂

[@johannamurphy9607]

That's why she drank ! She had resentment

[@angelareimann6433]

She was a party girl way before that.

[@socratesporter]

I think she partied because of resentment

[@awill3992]

@@angelareimann6433 Before what? She was treated like shit from day 1. In my opinion she would've been better off leaving with the man she loved

[@sarahmurphy8030]

​@@awill3992..Margaret was brought up Royal and she knew the rules.

[@ct6852]

Partying and entertaining was kind of her job. I think most would have to drink a ton to do that kind of work.

[@christianvallejo3725]

“ANOTHER friend of Dorothy’s” 😂

[@boxsterman77]

I caught that.

[@davidboult4143]

""Friends of Dorothy" make up the bulk of the Royal entourage. They tend to be loyal, and unencumbered by children and family commitments.

[@deananthony1000]

Sadly the royals never stood up for the gays but they were big supporters. Buckingham palace and Clarence House was a safe space and had the best gay parties which couldn’t be raided by the police. Apparently It all started with the queen mother who went out of her way to employ friends of Dorothy so her 2 young princesses wouldn’t get pregnant by a commoner.

[@devilsfavorite999]

But in real life she was homophobic

[@shaider1982]

"Friend of Dorothy's " I think it means gay guy.

[@allshookup1640]

It does A friend of Dorothy’s is a subtle way to refer to someone as queer. It was (at least in the US) a way to ask if someone was queer that wouldn’t out them. If you asked a man if he was a friend of Dorothy’s and he didn’t know what you were talking about you got your answer and you weren’t in danger of being attacked for “insulting” him. It just seemed like you were genuinely asking if he was friends with a woman named Dorothy that you knew. The asker also wasn’t at risk of being exposed as queer and being attacked. I bet it worked that way in the UK too I just can’t say for sure.

[@bananamanchester4156]

Why Dorothy, you may ask? Well the actress who played Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, Judy Garland was a huge advocate for the LGBT+ community in a time when being gay or being supportive of the community was EXTREMELY taboo, so they loved her dearly (still do, I believe!)

[@deananthony1000]

@@bananamanchester4156. Nowadays most don’t know who she is. The love moved to Liza and they done even know her now

[@deananthony1000]

⁠@@allshookup1640 it was popular in the U.K. but not now. Are you a friend of Dorothy seems to have been replaced with are you bisexual ? Not sure if it’s myth or urban legend but apparently the USA secret service spent MILLIONS trying to track down Dorothy believing her to be a actual person so they could have a massive clear out of the gays in the military for once and all.

[@tracym6652]

We have a restaurant/jazz club in my city called 'Friend of Dorothy'

[@luckyDancer100]

2:36 clever to have a clock ticking in the background

[@maxthelab8457]

'Margo' was treated appallingly by the Establishment - no wonder she went off the rails.

[@Inaisola]

Margo would've been fine if she could've just found her purpose.. why couldn't she have left the country and found her own way? Like Prince Harry

[@maxthelab8457]

@@Inaisola Because she relied on the Royal Purse - she could NEVER have earned a living.

[@Inaisola]

@@maxthelab8457 most people leave their parents "purse" and find a way to make a living all the time ..why couldn't she? ..she just seems whiny, in the show that is

[@maxthelab8457]

@@Inaisola She was as thick as mud - which is typical of the Royals - all that inbreeding has consequences. Harry has only been able to jump ship because he married a sharp-as-nails ruthless social climber. Harry himself is also as thick as mud.

[@janel342]

@@Inaisola She wouldn’t give up the status or the income. She could have married Townsend but wanted her royalty more. That tells us everything about Margaret.

[@RobertodelaVega-t3w]

Whats the point of being Queen if Elizabeth has to "follow rules"? Poor Margaret, I feel her pain.

[@wendysnelgrove5870]

It's the difference between an absolute monarchy and a constitutional monarchy.

[@calarch78]

It’s very unlikely that any of this would have been shocking. All of these responsibilities and provisions were known by everyone involved. Princess Margaret would’ve been well aware. The dramatization is just to create an existential crisis for this character.

[@jasonkoch3182]

@@calarch78actually, there is some truth to this. Obviously the scene is fictional, but reports at the time said Margaret was devastated when she lost her counselor of state position.

[@jasonkoch3182]

It’s those rules that keep the monarchy alive. The monarch is merely a pawn for the sitting government. The royal family follows the rules, or the government cuts off the money.

[@glennhubbard5008]

I totally agree.

[@hera7884]

Judy Garland was an avid civil rights and lgbtq activist. She also played Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz. When they say, “Friend of Dorothy” they’re subtly implying that the person is LGBTQ

[@KathleenMcNe]

Helena Bonham Carter is a national treasure.

[@sunnyd4125]

She was so good at being wicked in Harry Potter role.

[@chriw5575]

Princess Margaret always got the short end of the stick

[@karenalexanderful]

She also had a life of immense privilege.

[@Ashbrash1998]

​@@karenalexanderfulOne doesn't negate the other. By that logic nobody could complain about anything at all because someone has had it worse.

[@williethomas5116]

That's the thing about being the spare. They prepare you for the big chair just in case then they dump you. They create narcissist and then act surprised when they don't go away meakly.

[@Ann12681]

More often than not, Margaret was self indulged and scandal ridden. The Queen, who is portrayed cruelly, devoted her life to the people of Britain , even though she would have preferred to be a country wife. From the time of her mid twenties her life wasn’t her own. Margaret had the freedom and the privilege of being the second child and chose to blame her sister for whatever went wrong in her life due to her own recklessness.

[@allshookup1640]

@@Ann12681 well Elizabeth was never meant to be Queen. That wasn’t how her life was supposed to go. She was supposed to be the daughter of the Duke of York and live her life as a noble person. But when Edward abdicated, everything changed. She was 10 years old when he abdicated and her entire life changed. Then it was clear that she would be monarch one day. She had to be prepared. She didn’t get to be a little princess anymore, she was a Queen in training. Her childhood was cut short and an INSANE amount of responsibility and expectation was dumped on her. Her father as well as he had to immediately become King but that’s a different can of worms. Queen Elizabeth held her own and proved she was capable of the responsibility. She learned and she ruled with dignity. She was loved very much. By the vast majority of the British public. She took the cards she was dealt and played an excellent game until the end.

[@intorainbowzOG]

Charles changed the rules. He kept Anne and Edward in their places.

[@glen7318]

what are you talking about?

[@SCGMLB]

@@glen7318The Councellors of State are normally the spouse of the Sovereign and the next four people in the line of succession who are at least eighteen years of age. Currently that would be: Camilla, William, Harry, Andrew, and Beatrice. The same provision that was used in 1953 to retain the Queen Mother as an additional Councellor of State, when she was no longer the spouse of the sovereign, was used to retain Anne and Edward. What’s interesting is why that same provision couldn’t have been used to retain Margaret. It makes me think that there were members of The Firm who didn’t care for Margaret.

[@CrossCuntyRic]

@@SCGMLB like one of the commenters said, parliament was different back then. They were more willing to extend the leniency to the Queen Mother because she used to be the queen herself. Margaret was the spare. That was the same era where male heirs are given priority over females regardless of birth order. It's a different era now. So we can't retroactively judge why Margaret was removed as a counselor based on what King Charles did in the 21st century.

[@magpiesneedle2575]

@@SCGMLBwell, Harry and Andrew are no longer senior royals, or working royals.

[@gworlp1142]

⁠@@CrossCuntyRicbut male- centric primogeniture had been relinquished by the time Queen Elizabeth II was on the throne or else she wouldn’t have been selected as Queen so what is the tea?

[@michaelterry1000]

Edward turned 21 in March of 1985. Margaret must have know this was coming.

[@kbob9625]

If you watched the clip you would have seen that they have a set number and she was u aware that it was capped at 6.

[@michaelterry1000]

@@kbob9625 Someone else was #7 before Edward turned 21 and Margaret would have observed that person’s limited role in the Royal family. Wouldn’t Margaret have observed this 6 cap earlier ? Everyone in the royal family must have reevaluated their roles every time the queen had another child. I still find it hard to believe that she was caught off guard as to what was happening.

[@kbob9625]

@@michaelterry1000 Not if there wasnt someone in the royal family of age who was also in line for the throne... I mean they literally explain it that it's an obscure law that they werent really aware of except for the historians.

[@michaelterry1000]

@@kbob9625 Ok, I really enjoyed this series and will watch it again. If the series took liberties here on this issue to make another point about Margaret's dissatisfaction with her position, then so be it. If not, that is also ok.

[@lpri]

Prince Edward turned out very well!

[@EyeofRa1133]

The conscious choice to choose the institution over family is the source of so many problems for the House of Windsor.

[@golden-63]

"Another friend of Dorothy's" If you know, you know!

[@catherineomondi7850]

This was Harry's future. This is the future for all the spares. Yet they get angry when he leaves. He saw what happened to all the spares and he walked away before he became this.

[@typical_snowflake]

Yes but he walked away for bad reasons and on pressure. Not really light minded and decided. Harry must be really lonely right now. He is an english man to the core. He must miss his country horribly.

[@catherineomondi7850]

@@typical_snowflake You really want this to be true, don't you? You want him to miss you. You want this to be a mistake made for bad reasons and pressure. You want him to be lonely. Poor snowflake. There is enough evidence to show that Harry actually wanted to leave a long time ago. He never liked life in the royal family, and Meghan just made him believe it was possible. She was the push he needed, but she didn't plant any seeds. The seed has always been there, she just watered it.

[@jeffreysalley]

You only have one life. Why be miserable?

[@davidboult4143]

Princess Anne seems to have coped remarkably well. Made of sterner stuff, perchance?

[@jeffreysalley]

@@davidboult4143 not everyone want their life to be about coping. Some people want to thrive.

[@thomasdalton1508]

You would think they would look it up before writing this scene. There are five counsellors of state, not six. The consort and the next four in line to the throne that are over 21 (or over 18 for the Prince of Wales).

[@ShadrolGER]

Yes under the Regency Act of 1937 there are only 5 councillors of state. But at that point in time there were 6, just as there are 7 now. The Queen Mother was the sixth councillor appointed by the Regency Act of 1953. Princess Anne and Orince Edward by the Councillors of State Act of 2022.

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@ShadrolGER But, that is problematic for the point the scene is trying to make. If the rules could be changed to keep the Queen Mother on the list after she should have left it, they could have been changed for Princess Margaret too. The claim that the 1937 Act sets a limit of six is untrue both in that it isn't really a limit and it isn't six.

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

@@thomasdalton1508 Queen Mother was a former Queen consort who was a formidable figure in British history unlike her scandalous, spoilt brat daughter.

[@davidboult4143]

​@@thomasdalton1508it's called dramatic licence. It is fiction, not reality.

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@davidboult4143 Dramatic license is for situations where you have to bend the truth in order to tell the story you want to tell. This was completely unnecessary. It wouldn't have hurt the story at all to get it right. This is just laziness.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

Gorgeous room!

[@angelareimann6433]

Plenty of things she could have done. Spoilt and easily bored. She refused to follow basic protocols and wanted excitement without responsibility and effort. The Queen had her hands full with a dramatic sister and a controlling mother.

[@robertbarrett2494]

But Royal School of Ballet .

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

And a narcissist daughter in law

[@llchapman1234]

All Margaret had to do was find some unseemly, questionable new charitable thing and Boom! Royal duties resumed, lol!

[@franziskani]

;)

[@markc-ru4qz]

This is nonsense Margaret loathed most of her royal "duties" starting when she was 18 and preferred her charitable work which she mostly did quietly. The Crown takes too many artistic liberties.

[@jshipp5469]

You’re right but they had to do something with her arch. I mean we are being honest she had a personality more similar to her uncle Edward VIII

[@markc-ru4qz]

@@jshipp5469 yes but her royal duties were mostly cutting ribbons and launching ships hardly things to moan over. The Queen Mother even had to tell her to smile and look interested.

[@SchweitzerMan]

The biggest mistake someone can make is forgetting that this is historical fiction and mistaking it for a documentary

[@battleford3574]

Loving a title and loving a duty are two different things.

[@KatefilmNYC]

Agree. This conversation, like many in the Crown just doesn't ring true. It wouldn't be a surprise to her if Edward were to take on duties as a senior royal that would replace her (if this is actually true)

[@jeffreysalley]

Just step down from being a senior royal and do what you want. You only have one life. Why be miserable?

[@shortfusedkinda]

The whole point she was trying to get across that she has nothing else. She has too much time on her hands and while it may seem fun, it made her live life without purpose, nothing to drive her to get up in the morning. At least filling in for her sister on occasion gave her some purpose.

[@Rosemary-vf5ei]

@@shortfusedkinda She had plenty of time to devote herself to the charities she was supposed to represent. She just couldn't be bothered.

[@shortfusedkinda]

@@Rosemary-vf5ei she had charities and they started dropping her for more younger and in their prime royals like Diana

[@Rosemary-vf5ei]

@@shortfusedkinda I don't think Anne would have allowed anyone to push her out. Margaret can't have been too keen if she stood back and allowed Diana to take her charities. The charities are handed to the working royals by the monarch. Would the Queen have allowed Diana to take over Margaret's charities - or was it that Margaret wasn't particularly motivated?

[@nexttsar]

I certainly can commiserate here. She needs a purpose and all she gets is endless time and unfilled days. It is the lot of many of us over 65.

[@nancyblackett8777]

Stop loafing around feeling sorry for yourself. Volunteer. Work part time. Go and learn something. Talk to people. Easy.

[@seanstravelsandvlogs6233]

That's why you get a hobby and friends to go with it, before you grow old.

[@Dornwild]

Even if this happened as dramatical as this in real life, it would be very illogical to suddenly realising Prince Edward is turning 21 and his Aunt has to step down... Like everyone has forgotten a rule that magically popped up out of nowhere. It's hard to believe it hadn't been talked about for a longer period of time...

[@dynamoninja8510]

Lurch😂😂😂😂 😂 0:47

[@taymur0804]

The way she said "Time"😂

[@divinity176]

Maggie realising back then what Harry is having trouble reconciling himself to now - once the hereditary kids come along, the siblings that were hitherto always in the picture get pushed out of frame. As far as tragedies go, not something people with actual problems might find much empathy for.

[@ABC_DEF]

Harry and Margaret have nothing in common besides being second children. Harry refused to do his royal duties and betrayed his family for money. Margaret did all her duties and was loyal.

[@michauxbôts]

Margaret would've known about this Rule of Succession, as the Queen also would have...

[@sarahmurphy8030]

Totally agree

[@charlottestella9427]

“Edward’s an immature useless boy!” “That may be” Bahahaha

[@jenniferdaniels701]

When you're in your 40's, someone who's in their early twenties is still a kid.

[@jessicanone4202]

I think Margaret at one point forgot something. She forgot Elizabeth had A LOT of pressure while she had some but not much. She forgot inside the queen was a woman that wanted to do things that a woman wants to do but she couldn't. Constant scrutiny! Elizabeth I am sure some days didn't want to be queen but Elizabeth Windsor instead

[@Genevaave]

The scare of the Spare

[@Afroman29]

"Can't be good news, otherwise, you wouldn't have brought Lurch". Nice to see Margaret watching the Addams Family. I feel bad for Margaret, she was always let down my the Royals.

[@Rosemary-vf5ei]

She would have known this was coming. She had charities she was supposed to represent. She just couldn't be bothered. Life was just one long party for her.

[@stevebbuk9557]

She should have thought about the longstanding effects of the damage to her reputation when she was cavorting with Roddy Llewellyn in Mustique.

[@beaubrent]

I wish to step down from my royal duties, as well.

[@joshuakampamba9061]

i feel her pain 😭 oh poor woman, Margaret

[@nancyaguirre2307]

Oh poor baby. She did what she wanted. She could have married the guy she had an affair with but she’d have had to give up the privilege. We saw what was more important. She was a spoiled brat.

[@AMD7027]

It shows the insanity of it all as if they wanted to the act could be amended, a non-controversial addition of “siblings of the Sovereign” as Councilors of State would be speedily approved.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

Doubtful Margaret wanted “work”. She was a party girl and loved her life.

[@Anubhav-Das]

She is a great actor

[@chadbarr5365]

There's no way Margaret wouldn't have known that this was coming and that the number was 6.

[@Ariana-wv4pf]

She was so entitled she hoped her sister would change the rules just for her.

[@Rosemary-vf5ei]

She should have. She knew the number had been 6 - after all, she grew up in the system.

[@mandynam7581]

This show makes a mockery of the royals. Them shouting "give me work! dignity! purpose!" is kinda insane.

[@unschuldshascherl]

Man, sometimes this series serves us real shit, I mean in general, when it comes to accuracy but I don't care... the cast is just a feast. I could watch Helene Bonham Carter and Olivia Coleman the whole day and they are not the only ones in there but definitely on top.

[@albdamned577]

lol “I have the maturity and wisdom” yep like she deserved the position because of it…

[@London1869]

One of the most privileged humans to ever draw breath...wrought with ennui.

[@Islamicvideos7r]

The Best Of The Best Video

[@Maria-sg4zy]

Watching the Crown, I feel Princess Margaret was done wrong. The Queen just wouldn't let her shine. She wanted her there when she needed her. The Queen could have made some acceptions. imo.

[@shaider1982]

Yup, from season 1. Wouldn't the crown had wanted an ace pilot as their one of their own?

[@glen7318]

@@shaider1982 dont be silly.

[@kb4903]

She got to enjoy her life so much and still felt It wasn’t enough. Spoilt brat.

[@Rosemary-vf5ei]

Any exceptions were up to the parliament - not the Queen.

[@marywenzel3199]

In a case like this, the monarchy shoots itself in the foot. It makes no operational sense at all for experienced senior Royals on the COS to make way for young adults who are still at school and completely inexperienced at doing engagements. That’s like firing all your senior VPs in a company and replacing them with new grads who know absolutely nothing. It’s not even a case of them working cheaper because all full time working Royals are supported by the Sovereign grant. Anne and Edward had to make way in their turn for Charles’ sons. William was the future monarch but who thinks that 21-year old wild child Harry was more of an asset than Edward became with more maturity? The Man who became the Duke of Edinburgh after his father is now indispensable, and thank God that king Charles is more willing to buck tradition then his mother was; faced with two completely useless Knobheads in Andrew and Harry, Charles reinstated his other two siblings to the COS. Harry doesn’t even live in the country any more and was NEVER entrusted with any jobs on behalf of HM during his tenure, now officially 18 years long. He is an every sense a worthless paper counselor. Charles has not taken the unprecedented step of removing his wayward son, But effectively Harry is out. It remains to be seen whether king William will retain his aunt and uncle permanently even after his own children come of age. Because technically Anne and Edward would have to step down after George and Charlotte reach 21. But that is a very poor personnel management strategy, Considering how few Royals are actually left that qualify. I think this rule came about centuries ago when people did not live as long, and 21 year olds were more capable. The late Queen was never one to defy her courtiers when it came to tradition, but a good many of her family members would have been far happier and more effective if she had. Her late Majesty was a remarkably humble person considering her station, not one to make scenes and without the stomach for rocking the boat. Like her father she was a stickler for the constitutional protocols. She did her best but some points of archaic law do not serve the current Royal forces well at all. Charles is perceived as stuffy but really within his sphere he is an iconoclast. Adding seats to the COS; getting his second wife declared Queen; promoting organic farming on Royal estates and flinging open Royal properties to the public for free tea rooms- Charles is in his way quite innovative. Innovation was not in the Queen’s wheelhouse, God rest her blessed memory.

[@sadjaxx]

Somebody here is terribly jealous of Harry.

[@fahimfaisalmahir567]

Queen was always very scared of public heat while Charles had endured that all his life. So, he didn't give damn about public scrutiny.

[@marywenzel3199]

@@sadjaxx If you mean me, you couldn’t be more wrong dear. Our Harry is quite a few sandwiches short of a full picnic basket. Absolutely nothing to be jealous about, unless it’s envying Harry’s ability to still be supported by Daddy at 40 years of age when he’s done nothing all his life except abuse substances, animals and women. I find the ginger whinger personally disgusting but I guess he’s got his supporters like you no matter how quizzical that is.

[@ej3016]

@@fahimfaisalmahir567 and that’s why some of us don’t give a damn about him now

[@Rose-w9i9t]

Cant always get what you want.

[@MrAschiff]

To say that Princess Margaret got screwed "royally" is an understatement.

[@stephensmith4025]

“Oh nooo. I have to do even LESS work in a day!”

[@WarriorOfWriters]

"Edward's an immature useless boy" to this bloody day

[@Rosemary-vf5ei]

So you're unaware that not only is Edward the only one of the Queen's children who has not been divorced, but the "immature useless boy" has managed to fly under the radar whilst working very effectively - so much so that his father requested Charles to bestow the title of Duke of Edinburgh. His charity work focuses on the arts, athletics, amongst others and the development of the Duke of Edinburgh Award - a considerable organisation which Edward's father created.

[@cfinley81]

Doesn't sound that useless to me. ​@@Rosemary-vf5ei

[@royw-g3120]

About 20 years ago he attempted to do some private media business but all his competitors screamed foul, and was told he had to choose between Royal Duties and striking out on his own. So he gave it up, then Harry tried to do the same thing.

[@Kaythegardener-w5x]

Do you mean the other son, Andrew??

[@Rosemary-vf5ei]

@@cfinley81 Exactly. That's why I put "immature useless boy" in quotations.

[@stephanfourie6879]

Olivia and Helen are equally as good as Meryl❤❤

[@tanisabenulic2861]

Margaret was a spoiled woman. She could do anything she wanted but she was just whining,

[@kb4903]

Totally agree.

[@ArjelBrian]

the Queen Elizabeth II and the Queen of Hearts

[@nadinefay1560]

Oh, it’s a complicated world.

[@magicalmilimi894]

Oh cause she has such a spectacular record of being a model royal

[@shamymanavie5096]

Weird why Bellatrix didn't Avada Kadavra the queen.

[@hothotheat3000]

Elizabeth couldn’t even look her in the eye when the man was speaking. Sheesh, what a meek showing from her here.

[@LucyLovettLestrange]

“Lurch” in this scene was Micheal Gregson in Downton Abbey! ( lady Edith’s first lover)

[@melynn44]

What's funny is he plays Martin Charteris, who is played in his younger form by the actor who plays Lady Edith's husband. Guess she has a type.

[@LucyLovettLestrange]

@@melynn44 That’s right! Two different actors from Downton Abbey played the same character

[@iluop3623]

Another friend of Dorothy 😅😅😅

[@robfalter2522]

no use for royalty. all of them egomaniacs

[@nancyaguirre2307]

All she ever wanted was the spotlight and the attention without the responsibilities.

[@lillyess385]

Don't we all?

[@stephaniehiggins3731]

Damn auntie Margaret 😮

[@AquaFonic]

LURCH was in fact Edward the 8th actor who abdicated his throne for Mrs Simpson in another adaptation Elizabeth and Bertie many moons ago

[@timallardyce1216]

I'm pretty sure the duties of counsellor of state are automatically transferred to the next in line, it doesn't have to be given up. I think it happens automatically

[@Frostie-e8g]

Quite odd that so many people here commenting about poor Margaret's lot in life that were not alive when she was disgracing the crown on a regular basis. Flaunting protocol and tradition with abysmal morals and public displays of ethical bankruptcy. She embarrassed her sister and her mother on a regular basis, yet could never seem to comprehend why she removed to the margins.

[@betsyr4724]

First her marriage and then her work. Cruel

[@grahamwilson5835]

"Lurch" ......... ❤ it !

[@ljront3126]

I would say that in the favour of the queen, in order to balance the feelings of Margaret; Margaret should teach the next in duty, her work and her world, so it might be easier for her to stay confident and involved. And this could be an act of love to qualify the next in her post. I am sure, the Queen would have thought of this idea, as a way of tradition, exposing the old way and making thoughts about a renovation. Sooner or later, times are different of each other. Every time has its own value.

[@thae5618]

Well she is said to have had a good sense of humor. She could have used her money on the arts and creativity maybe write a film, compose music( Im sure she did) but maybe get to do more of different styles. It would have given her some purpose❤❤❤

[@Nana-vi4rd]

This really irks me, not the show but about the real Princess Margaret believing that because she was the Queen's sister she should be allowed to marry whom she wanted. We all know how Edward gave up the throne to marry a twice divorced woman. What made Margaret believe it would be different for her? Her sister, the Queen was the head of the church of England. Which at that time forbade anyone marrying a person who was divorced with their former spouse still alive to marry. And that guy whom Margaret was so in love with knew this having served Princess Margaret's father and knowing how he came to the throne. And Margaret knew this as well, but she truly thought because she was the Queen's sister she would get what she wanted. I am so glad that the late Queen stuck to the rules of the church and not give into her sister's whims. It showed she had strength to up hold the rules for all of them.

[@divinediva2676]

Oh ! Is that so? Then why she did allowed charles to marry camilla? And now please don't tell me that it was a different time and era because the time gap was also between Edward and Margaret.

[@franziskani]

Remember me - how and why was the Church of England founded ? England used to be Catholic, no?

[@Rosemary-vf5ei]

@@divinediva2676 After four divorces - Margaret, Anne, Charles and Andrew, meetings with the Queen and Parliament changed the rules re divorce. When the original rule was made, divorce was a scandal and divorced people weren't accepted in society. By the time Parliament changed the rules, the opinions on divorce were completely changed. That's why the rule was changed. Anne and Charles have both remarried.

[@CM-su7gq]

I get what the scene is supposed to symbolized, but Margaret kept preforming royal duties and was patron of many charities up until her death. She just wasn’t able to fill in for the Queen for her official roles/duties

[@edwardpate6128]

What an amazing job by Helena Bonham Carter.

[@jazzycat8917]

It does makes very little sense that Margaret should be made to give up responsibilities she's done for years in favour of Edward, who had done none if it.

[@robertbarrett2494]

A dark room at No 10 KP .

[@ceejay6553]

This has to be "true" ... which is why Princess Anne is still working, K Charles learned. I can't see her going quietly into the night.

[@kb4903]

No sympathy for Margaret at all. She lived the high life of Riley but wanted the royal treatment/role as well. Entitled to nothing.

[@sikandermallu]

Margaret's children were literally persona non grata ever since "Moondust". Was their 'disappearing act' in this series a metaphor to their relationship with their mother?

[@gwp5066]

the councillor of state doesn't do much, and Margaret understood how the system worked. I doubt this is even remotely true.

[@thomasdalton1508]

Indeed, she would certainly have known that she would be replaced. And the Queen didn't leave the country all that often.

[@glen7318]

of course it is not true

[@roberthancox]

Have watched some of the episodes all the way through. It looks very expensively made and a bit of good acting but as far as historical accuracy is concerned it is ridiculous and panders to those who are anti monarchy, the intention of the person who created the series as he is rampantly anti monarchy, check him out

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@roberthancox Little is completely invented, but there are a lot of rumours presented as facts. I wish they had at least included a statement at the end of each episode stating which bits were true and which were dramatised.

[@beccamcdonald9846]

You really don’t understand how many grimy things the Queen has done to Margret behind Margret’s back.

[@joyj6702]

I know this just a series but m so delighted wht marget went through after wht she puts diana

[@JamesCook-kh1tl]

Astonished she didn’t know this

[@b1crusade384]

She is right. She aged out.

[@jesusthroughmary]

Prince Edward catching strays from his own mother

[@britishchappie2852]

The fact that the queen knew the term friend of Dorothy but the us army didn’t is kinda funny

[@deananthony1000]

The queen mother went out of her way to employ F O D as a way to prevent liz and Madge getting pregnant by the staff. So they always been big supporters of the gays with the best parties and orgies at buk palace and Clarence House. It’s just a shame they didn’t speak up more when we needed them.

[@danielkoher1944]

@@deananthony1000 Thank you so much Dean we’ve been so insignificantly treated. Have given so much. Yet, always target 🎯 come any change to ‘their’ agenda.

[@Lucky55Blue]

She lost her man. I would have gone insane. Take anything but my husband is mine.

[@dogwu2099]

Helena's (Margaret) portrayal was the best. Claire Foy for Elizabeth.

[@MaureenSmith-d6u]

Margaret should have been allowed to marry Townshend, and Charles Camilla. Look whats been married since

[@Rosemary-vf5ei]

The rules at the time deemed that divorced people weren't welcome in society. It was only after the divorces of Margaret, Anne, Charles and Andrew that the Queen and Parliament met and after many debates changed the rules. Both Anne and Charles have remarried.

[@samanthab1923]

Who are the 6 senior royals?

[@feverspell]

The Queen Mother, Prince Philip, Prince Charles, Princess Anne, Prince Andrew, and Prince Edward.

[@samanthab1923]

@@feverspellthanks