Marie-Antoinette: A Censored Love Deciphered

[@Vera-p5324]

Incroyable, excitant et touchant... la mort de tous les trois est tellement cruelle... c'est fou de plonger dans l'histoire intime entre eux, c'est incroyable ce qu'on peut faire avec les technologies d'aujourd'hui... bravo, ça aurait été un dommage de passer à côté d'une telle histoire d'amour entre Marie Antoinette et Persim !

[@dominiquedelattre8729]

magnifique et émouvant reportage. merci à ces formidables ingénieurs de l'écriture, et félicitations à Mme Lever qui est une excellente historienne.

[@candydonnelly7543]

I have always had a soft spot in my heart for Marie-Antoinette. The minute her carriage crossed over the border to France, she was stripped of all her clothing and her little dog was taken away from her. The French people hated her from that moment on. I hope she is in Heaven united with her Swedish Nobleman. Peace and Light to their Spirits. ❤️🇫🇷❤️

[@billieford9683]

The French people initially loved her, but as time went on she became the scapegoat for all their troubles. She was far from perfect but she did a lot of good to some, but she was Austrian and therefore she was an enemy.

[@chiaracoffani8543]

Too young to die in that horrible way.And what about her poor son!She was a true scapegoat and that was unfair and cruel.Mary Antoinette and Louis XVl were both too young to rule France...❤

[@Consrignrant]

Her dog was not taken from her. She refused.

[@Consrignrant]

@@candydonnelly7543 No, the French people loved her until they needed a scapegoat and became aware of what a spendthrift she was. You're talking out of your ass, Candy girl.

[@evypettersson6513]

Hope so ,too.. With all love from Sweden. 🙏✨️🎉

[@vollhov2370]

I didn’t see 100% of Marie Antoinette’s betrayal here.. Yes, there are love letters, but again Fersen confesses his love, and although she reciprocates his love, she writes "My dear delicate friend" (but was it still treason?). As a result, it turns out that neither the King had mistresses, nor the Queen had lovers. Eventually, this Royal couple was the most faithful couple to each other, besides, she did not abandon Louis 16 in 1789 when she could have left and saved herself, she remained with the king until the very end. Added. Yes, at 3:38 minutes she confesses her love, but was it hot love? That's the question. That is, I mean did she actually cheat on the King or are these just declarations of love only in correspondence. I would like to note that Marie-Аntoinette confessed her “love” even to her best friends, so now she’s a lesbian or what ?

[@dolleserge1135]

Dites nous donc quand marie antoinette aurait pu se sauver sans louis XVI ? Va falloir etre trés patient pour avoir une réponse documentée😊

[@dolleserge1135]

Votre commentaire est d une crasse imbécilité étant donné que vous faites preuve de malhonneteté intelectuelle , en effet vous déclarez que marie antoinette n aurait ecrit que Ami...hors dans ce reportage méme , la traduction est sans équivoque ....je vous adore et n aimerai que vous jusqu a la fin des temps etc etc .....

[@vollhov2370]

@@dolleserge1135 She was asked to leave Paris in 1789 when most of the aristocracy of Versailles, including the brothers Louis 16 and the daughters of Louis 15, left Paris. (This was July 14, 1789). In addition, she was offered a divorce in 1791. Lafayette suggested.

[@vollhov2370]

@@dolleserge1135 Ami tendre et bien-aimé » Je ne l'ai pas vu dans la vidéo, peut-être que je l'ai raté à cause des suggestions en russe. Peut-être que la traduction n'était pas correcte. Pensez-vous qu'elle a trompé le roi ?

[@dolleserge1135]

Vous avez ici 55 minutes qui traduisen5 les lettres et qui vous contredisent....donc voys etes un exemple de malhonneteté intelectuelle

[@ghostqueen2082]

How hauntingly beautiful and romantic!! This correspondance between star-crossed lovers makes me want to clutch my pearls and swoon

[@cosimoepicoco7022]

Sempre al top! Ottima l'idea dei sottotitoli!

[@DakotaFord592]

Love this!!! This is an amazing documentary ❤❤

[@davidescozzi9885]

Very interesting. Felt the love of the two, with a twist of sadness.

[@anabelvargas6987]

😢que triste todo lo que vivieron. Hoy sabemos que se amaron hasta el final.

[@QuangLe-nm7ck]

No matter how you perceive this love affair, it was emotionally intense and deeply karmic.

[@alexandramsh4740]

I’m a sucker to History! Wow 🤩 is it indeed a love story?! 🇸🇪 ❤️ 🇫🇷 Xx

[@renatatarnawski5974]

How sad It would have been better If they were just 2 peasants in love

[@adeel-eh7xq]

Think peasants back then were too busy starving to have time for the luxuries of love and romance.

[@evasiondreams3376]

It was a platonic relationship. She was too prudish to give herself to another man and she always devoted herself to her duties as queen. She truly loved the king during the last years. And the king truly loved her from the beginning.

[@jackhandley5676]

This was incredible.

[@littlecee]

On n'avait jamais vraiment su s'ils avaient eu une liaison. Découvrir qu'ils s'aimaient à ce point est une bien tragique histoire. Marie-Antoinette est restée la reine. Elle a fait preuve d'une grande dignité et d'un courage hors norme. En fait, dans son attitude, elle a montré qu'elle était une grande reine de France. Son choix lui coûta la vie et son amour. Respect 🌹💔

[@malparillo5617]

quelle beauté qu était Marie Antoinette ❤

[@mango2005]

DNA testing her sons heart which is in St.Denis, and comparing with Fersens dna might answer this question.

[@jennysmart4411]

Read Stefan Zweig's book Marie Antoinette. A great read!

[@helenefrench4275]

I recommend you the book by Antonia Fraser as well Jenny

[@jennysmart4411]

@@helenefrench4275 Thank you so much, Helene. I love history and I love to read. I especially like learning about interesting women in history. Zweig's book gives a lot of quotes from letters Marie and her mother, Maria Theresa, wrote to each other. What's chilling is that Maria Theresa sensed Marie Antoinette's demise. Mother's intuition. Chilling. Marie and Louis XVI should have never been subjected to the "national razor".

[@helenefrench4275]

I m the same, I do like History and reading. I recommend you by Antonia Fraser: Marie Antoinette The Journey and Love and Louis XVI. Have you ever heard of Francoise Chandernagor and Jean Des Cars ? ( their books may be translated in English I am not sure). From Evelyn Farr ( The Untold Story : Marie Antoinette & Count Fersen) is excellent too :) The book The Last Queen of France by the historian Evelyn Lever has been translated in English

[@helenefrench4275]

​@jennysmart4411 Marie Antoinette The Making of a French Queen by John Hardman as well Yale edition.

[@565cmac]

I love history too, thank the both of you for your recommendations!

[@Juanita-gf4te]

I hope the poor lady did find true love in her life.......married of at 14 to an indifferent husband who didn't consummate the marriage for 7 years, and everyone blamed her for not producing an heir before that. She was made a scapegoat for ills that existed in France long before she was sent there.

[@hernestoferreira]

Excelente filme

[@JohnBurman-l2l]

This is tabloid press level. Both her and husband tried to solve massive economic issues but the Rentier class aristocrats were unwilling to transform.

[@peterpan8147]

It's certainly NOT tabloid press level!

[@xavi312]

I hate your comment. It's a world class documentary. The soundtrack alone is award winning. Not a single insult

[@Lardenoy]

Parlez de presse tabloïd à propos des souverains de pacotille de Monaco ou du Royaume Uni mais vous vous mettez le doigt dans l'œil concernant la période historique cruciale relative au règne de Louis XVI et de Marie-Antoinette. Les conséquences européennes de la chute de la monarchie de droit divin ont bouleversé le monde. Fersen fut un véritable chevalier servant. Ses convictions conservatrices et son courage mis au service, non seulement de la femme qu'il aimait mais aussi de ses principes politiques sont infiniment respectables et admirables dans une période où... comme aujourd'hui hélas - on coupait les têtes de ses ennemis. La reine, malgré ses erreurs, sut faire preuve d'un courage et d'une force d'âme magnifique et fut littéralement transfigurée par son incarcération et je vous souhaite, si vous deviez traverser un tel calvaire, de pouvoir montrer autant de qualités héroïques...

[@ErickHumboldt]

Vive la Reine ⚜️👑

[@CarniFitMe]

Letters of friendship in the style of Rousseau... tropes of C18th literature

[@meeeka]

And how Fersen died in Stockholm was just shocking!! His death was arranged during a Bernadotte coronation and, even tho he was a court official, he was not protected.

[@이도윤-d7e]

I looked for information that details how he died, but I can't find it. Where can I find out?

[@pixie_sparkle74]

She calls him friend over and over .. which means she didnt cheat on the king . ' nor him her . ~❤

[@TheOscarFrancois]

No one knows for sure, to be honest. But at the end of the day, especially at hardest times of life, their love was true.

[@amandarosales6897]

María Antonieta del gran autor austriaco Stefan Zweig, es lo mejor de lo mejor de esta reina.

[@kennethwanyoike5029]

How I love history and now it's in documentary form, I am beside myself 😊😊😊😊😊 "why don't they eat Cake?"

[@renatatarnawski5974]

Actually the cake MA was talking about Was a type of bread Plus She Never Said that

[@jaimequimaime-autrementnon2500]

Non , pas ce que vous croyez. Elle a demandé que l’on donne AUSSI les brioches au peuple , s’il n’y avait plus assez de pains😊😊😊😊

[@kristinashepherd3003]

@@renatatarnawski5974she was actually referring to brioche as it’s made differently

[@jessicagudino8461]

I think they lover each other but i think that was maybe not phsycal , maybe more platonic?there is no doubt she and the King love each other a united front and tender family anyway sadly both have horrible endings

[@NAHAJI133]

The decades and decades of hate for the French monarchs was misguided upon her head.

[@alessandrarosina]

Bellissima la ricostruzione del loro amore tramite le lettere con codici, ma non poteva essere, lei era una regina . Fersen sbaglio' a Varennes, pure fersen fece una morte tragica come pa principessa savoie carignan lamballe penthievre.

[@he2575]

Quand je pense qu'Édith Piaf chantait le ''Ça ira'' il n'y a pas si longtemps que ça. Que vive la Révolution, ma France, celle dont vous usurpez aujourd'hui le prestige ! Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité inscrit dans la pierre au fronton des églises de France !

[@inesborstel5592]

Thanks

[@laurakroeze762]

I love documentaries like these, but i hate the cheap wigs

[@lilianpouti3938]

Notre reine ne méritait pas la mort !

[@dolleserge1135]

Elle avait donné les plans des places fortes de France a la Prusse...haute trahison...révélé certe quelque temps aprés...ne la regretons pas...de plus malgrés les rappels.22 millions d euros dépensés aux jeux sur les 4 dernieres années de ses turpitudes...haute trahison.peine de mort.point barre

[@cpboutiqueparisiennerouen8104]

la musique est trop forte dommage

[@mar-mz8kv]

Il ne convient pas à une reine d'être amoureuse... Pour moi, elle n'a jamais été un exemple de reine, c'est pour cela que les Français ne l'aimaient pas...

[@jaimequimaime-autrementnon2500]

Si , les Français l’ont beaucoup aimée, mais ses dépenses, ses interventions en faveur de ses favoris, l’ont rendue impopulaire , par la suite. Elle a été victime de campagnes mensongères, et par la suite , elle est devenue beaucoup plus raisonnable, puis véritablement admirable et d’une grande noblesse. Beaucoup de Français les ont pleuré, eux et leurs enfants. Les révolutions sont toujours injustes, sanglantes, en Russie , ce fut pareil.en Angleterre, seul Charles Ier a été exécuté, parce que sa reine et certains de ses enfants avaient pu s’enfuir .

[@ErickHumboldt]

Facile de juger 200 ans plus tard !!!

[@micheleducrocq1224]

le fond musical couvre la voix de la conteuse dommage

[@stars-gate]

The subtitles are complety wrong.

[@helenefrench4275]

I find the subtitles perfectly fine

[@charlottevairet3453]

Je suis d'accord, mais pas sur le "completely". Je me suis amusée à faire une petite expérience : j'ai ajouté les sous-titres en français au texte dit dans / par le commentaire. Résultat : l'écrit et l'oral ne concordent pas. Exemples : "le roi réunit les troupes ≠ le roi ordonne aux troupes de", "simulacre ≠ imposture", "discrètement ≠ en secret", "quelques ≠ plusieurs" etc, etc. Quant aux lettres, les sous-titres français ne rendent pas le charme, la grâce, la délicatesse de cette correspondance amoureuse du XVIII ème siècle.. Heureusement, le fond est respecté. C'est pourquoi je ne dirais pas "completely wrong" Sorry : I'm presently too tired to write in English on the delicate questions related transcription & translation...

[@lashachokhonelidze2498]

👍👍👍

[@martinehopen6479]

Evidemment elle l'aimait et lui aussi ... charnellement on ne le sait pas, on y etait pas ... on pouvait aimer platoniquement a l'epoque ...

[@bersagliere30]

Ma perche' scriveva le lettere in codice ? Gatta ci cova

[@dav-jao-7463]

République Maçonnique !!! Qui dure............ Vive le roy !!!

[@calimeroernest4300]

Je suis en 2024 , Un Duc désargenté.

[@ИринаНиколаевна-ш1з]

И это "просвещённая" Европа и XIX век. Случись сейчас что-нибудь серьёзное, они также будут убивать и глумиться.

[@AubzCelli]

Lets keep romanticising elite royals that gave two flying shits about their people starving even when it was supposedly "brought to their attention (because they didnt know before that LMFAO 😂)"

[@billieford9683]

Pick up a couple of history books on this couple and educate yourself before spouting nonsense. You are completely wrong.

[@AubzCelli]

@@billieford9683 keep believing British propaganda. I research real history lol keep thinking it's logical to believe 99.9% of the population was in the wrong and that .1% was in the right. Smart guy

[@altinaykor364]

@@billieford9683 well done

[@Perlinpinpin24]

Ceci est tellement intrigant. Personnellement je n'ai aucun doute qu'Axel de Fersen soit le père de Louis XVII Quand on regarde les portraits il ressemble beaucoup. C'est une vraie enquête je trouve ça trop intéressant

[@melissacoelho8413]

I am simply going to ask who cares? The king had love affairs, no one questions it. If that was what they had as a marriage, why are we questioning it. For that matter why is it being questioned about her and not him? Really? Seriously? 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@jessicagudino8461]

You are wrong King XVI never had mistress that was something that people was giggling about his masculanity because he had no mistress in and no consumation of his marriage in comparission of Louis XV and Louis XVI

[@charlottevairet3453]

I agree with Jessica : the historians generally explain that the queen became a scapegoat precisely because the mistakes of the king / "government" couldn't be transferred to a royal mistress or favourite as it previously was the case (in order to preserve the person of the king as "our good king", "father of his peoples" - the plural is voluntary, France at the time being made of various populations with different languages, manners & customs etc)

[@lilarosa]

Vine por una carta de amor de María Antonieta y me encuentro con la historia de la Revolución Francesa que ya me tiene re podrida qué canal de farsantes

[@charlottevairet3453]

Malgré les apparences Marie-Antoinette n'a pas toujours vécu dans une bombonière. Face à certains événements, il faut affronter la réalité ; la vie privée devient alors secondaire. Comme le documentaire le montre l'histoire de la reine et de Fersen est indissociable des développements de la Révolution.