Marie-Louise von Franze - "The Shadow"

[@shadowartist8892]

I'm revisiting all my books by this genius woman. They are anchors for the soul in these times. The technocrats are totally stuck in robotic thinking patterns divorced from feeling, and thus want to crush the people and our natural instincts. Then the people see them as the devil, when they are probably pathetic.

[@destructard]

technocrat behavior is devilish though. but then again i am also pathetic

[@paulsteinph.d.8869]

Excellent..!!

[@sneezweasel]

Thank you

[@Izheheruvimm]

Alex Adamczyk, you're welcome :)

[@jmc8076]

Very enlightening.

[@arcadianwings2662]

There are two other channels which you will absolutely LOVE! :-) "Depth Psychology Alliance" & "New Thinking Allowed" :-)

[@marcof.vonfranz6671]

My positiv shadow is anytime in the near , thats grandmother

[@fakhriaslan6479]

Can anyone explain to me what does she mean by the "clash of the Anima and Animus?" I know what these are, but does she mean like both partners projecting the anima and animus on each other?

[@carljungdepthpsychologyrea1531]

Perhaps I can point you in the right direction. In Dr. Jung's Aion, Chapter 3, he talks about Anima and Animus as "The Syzygy," meaning that they are yoked together as a pair of opposites. I have done a reading of this Chapter 3 on our KZbin channel in the Aion "playlist," and also immediately after it I have read Dr. Edward Edinger's commentary to that Chapter, which is instructive and useful. The "clash"is a clash of Opposites. Our entire Psyche is made up of Opposites, which is the source of our Psychic Energy, but from the perspective of Archetype, these are the most powerful except for the Self. You should think of the Symbol for Yin-Yang. There you find movement, but they can never cross over into the other side, except that there is a little dot of the other in each side. In order to achieve "Wholeness,"in the Jungian sense, you must be able to consciously appreciate both sides--you must be conscious of the whole circle of Yin-Yang. This is the role of Alchemy in Jungian Psychology, because the only place that the Opposites can reach Wholeness is within the individual human being, the Alchemical Cauldron or Vas, where both sides can become a Whole. A marriage is the typical physical world relationship, where wholeness is approximated, because the partner brings in the missing something, and makes both parties "Whole." The problem is that the "anima" for example, is the Archetype which defines perfection of the woman in a man's Psyche. When he spots that certain something in a woman, he pursues her (and vice versa), but the problem is that a physical world marriage cannot match up to this vision of perfection held by the anima and animus. When that fails, because no real person can match perfection, it is said that "The Honeymoon is over." That's when you find out what your partner is really like, and then comes the hard work of finding wholeness within yourself, which is enhanced (moved toward Wholeness) by the partner. If that does not happen, the relationship often doesn't survive. This is what we need to be teaching our children. The relationship is your opportunity for Wholeness, but it is a two way street, and both parties must work at it. I hope this is helpful.

[@fakhriaslan6479]

Thanks a lot for the explanation! It was very clear and to the point. I will definitely check those videos out! Yes, I think a lot of people would benefit from knowing this.

[@rebecaeigen5415]

I would like to highly recommend a book by the late John A. Sanford, Jungian analyst and Episcopalian priest called Invisible Partners. It is the best book I have read on the subject. My web site shadowdance.com has an article on my page (at the bottom) Is it Love or Is It Projection?

[@kerylholt1921]

In short, Anima =soul. Aristotle.

[@joyceresnick2282]

@@fakhriaslan6479 the anima is the feminine side of the male psyche, likewise the animus is the male side of females. Every human has a masculine and feminine side. Its not that difficult to understand.

[@pablo3168]

Hiya 2030

[@antanz1967]

What is a clash between animus and anima?

[@passje8007]

the clash between one and plural, she felt alone and a genius, which btw she was not.

[@jub7345]

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[@ruthlewis673]

In the Christian West the Shadow has been cast onto the Jewish people for Millennia then the Africas who were enslaved as well as the Indigenous peoples whose land was stolen. All this and heaven too. We are only now beginning to turn and look at this : our collective Shadow.

[@raaie7890]

You two are idiots

[@hafiful]

That is, in best case, a very tabloid view on the western shadow. I would say that generally it would be a total misconseption about the western shadow, and would also not help us see the truth about ourselves. Remember that christianity has a long tradition of confession. And this has, to a large degree, helped christians to see their own inferior side and deal with it throughout history. The slavetrade and the concepts of racialism - when people are valuated, by some trading autorities, as more oss less worth - was not made by christianity, as people from differnt races (africans, asians and caucasoids) were christians all together already in the antics (before the middle ages) and christianity explisittly forbidds racialism, by claiming we are all one in Christ. So, no, racialism was not made up by christians in the west, in order to place their own shadow on black people and jews, instead of integrating it. Its an easy explanation, but it is not the truth. And you have to seek the roots of african slavetrade, racial segregation in the americas in modern times and the holocaust, elsewhere than in christianity and western christians. Western christianity has for quite some decades met this kind of accusations from non-christian and atheistic hold, but the secularisation and off-christianisation of the western society in the later decades has not made black people and jews experience themselves as more loved and appresiated in life and society. Christianity is today almost eliminated from western society (at least here in Europe), but that fact has acctually not helped the certain subgroups to feel better about themselves. If people of this certain groups still feel bad about themselves, I would urge them to work with their own shadow - as individuals and in common. Do they dare to? Or is it better and easier to stay a victim of white western christians?

[@mattiaslidbom1869]

No that is in fact wrong. Its the other way around.

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

And now the Zionist have made a shadow out of the Palestinians who they treat like the Nazis treated the Jews

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

White people were unsaved way more than Africans and very few Africans became white peoples slaves without being the slave of an African first . Educate yourself

[@paolos22]

I love Marie-Louise von Franze's work, however she is wrong about groups. I have run shadow work groups, and believe me they are places where people risk sharing their deep selves. And when you do that with a group, a community it is much more powerful than one to one. Don't get me wrong there is work that can only be done in the one to one relationship, but groups tackle the shadow in profoundly different way to individual therapy.

[@paolos22]

You're welcome! Who is running the group btw?

[@paolos22]

Thanks for the tip, and hope the workshop goes well. Warm wishes, Paul

[@cyberzenASMR]

Oh dear. Seriously, you are not an expert. On a profound level. For whatever reason you felt the inclination to assert yourself as such, which is toxic behavior.

[@michaelbradley6446]

I seriously doubt this is what's happening, even if it appears this way.

[@olahfsmart3630]

I don't think this is true. I think you don't even reveal your real shadow in groups. And it makes sense

[@Lavone__]

They sound like they got marshmallows in their mouths lol

[@TheLoveForTheBeat]

Sound is only to the receiver. She is talking about the shadow and you just showed how you can't control yours. I personally love the way she sounds. I can listen to her for hours