Mario Golf 64 Lag Is UNBEARABLE | N64 vs Switch Comparison

[@kourt2469]

Just got the expansion pack and played this. Wow the lag is bad. You have to press A way before you do on the 64 version. Even handheld mode is terrible

[@Kelphelp]

I hate hate hate how delayed that button is, it's not even like that on the 64. It just is a terrible representation of what it's supposed to be

[@ricknineg]

Wow, lag city. Great video!

[@Kelphelp]

Thank you so much Mr Tv Show man!

[@noonant.destroyer1168]

Yes, there's lag. It's slight, but it absolutely makes a huge difference in Mario Golf. The lag is significantly less than when I was playing OoT and trying to get that damn frog choir heart piece. Fortunately, NSO has save states that you can to practice your rhythm. I used save states a lot in my first few rounds, but now I'm pretty good at getting those nice shots

[@Kelphelp]

True, but then again it's learning a lagged game so it's something that is odd coming back to the N64. It's Hella weird man.

[@noonant.destroyer1168]

@@Kelphelp totally- I generally play in handheld w/ Bluetooth earbuds. I find that having the audio clue really helps with timing my shots. Also weirdly enough, I find that the Switch's earbud lag is nearly nonexistent compared to that of my cell phone or my laptop. I'm really impressed with the rollout of that feature

[@pyroflare7774]

@@noonant.destroyer1168 STOP DEFENDING NINTENDOS ACTIONS!!!

[@Kelphelp]

I'm screen shooting this the cap locks and shouting is making me cry from laughing. Thank you

[@pyroflare7774]

@@Kelphelp np, someone has to put these defenders that defend 100% of nintendos questionable decisions in their places :thumbsup:

[@joshm9363]

I didn’t get the service when it launched but now that I have I’m not getting the lag mentioned here, except occasionally on one specific controller. Figured it was a Bluetooth problem. With my other controllers any lag has been imperceptible to me, so maybe it’s fixed now? I’ve never played the game on original hardware so can’t compare.

[@Kelphelp]

It's possible it could be fixed. From my experience on OG N64 hard ware, both original controllers and Bluetooth controllers have very unoticeable to no lag. On thr NSO, whether it's pro controller or joycobs the lag was near unplayable. You have to get the wrong timing of your shots just to play it right.

[@joshm9363]

@@Kelphelp I've been playing the game for the last couple of weeks and have very occasionally experienced awful lag on one of my joycons (only when playing docked), and yes, it feels unplayable when that kicks in! That controller has a habit of disconnecting from my Switch though. On the other hand my pro controller has felt perfect to me every time on NSO. So has my crappy wired 3rd party controller. Weirdly I also have a SN30 pro2 controller that vibrates and lags on the NSO64 emulator, specifically when 3 or more controllers are connected but in all other situations is absolutely fine. Makes me think the original problem has been patched but not completely fixed.

[@mattjcwig]

I had issues with the timing lag on handheld but not in handheld mode using the n64 controller i.e put the screen upright and playing on a controller 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Kelphelp]

See that's just such a weird situation. I'm guessing because of the bluetooth lag for the joycons? It doesn't make sense.

[@mattjcwig]

@@Kelphelp i know right! Managed to hit a few nice shots on the n64 controller but nothing on Joy Cons 🫠 in handheld mode I wanted to put it down and boot up my 64 on my CRT 🤣 on the 64 controller it felt like a much better experience! Shame it's as rare as hens teeth

[@Kelphelp]

Exactly that was my point in the video for sure! It feels beautiful on the OG hardware but the NSO feels terrible. Just ain't s fun experience

[@mattjcwig]

@@Kelphelpi wouldn't say it's terrible just og better, I lkke the nso for the accessibility, i.e being able to master the water temple at 30,000 feet or a 4 player mario party marathon at the top of Everest 🤣

[@Kelphelp]

You make s good point. There is a benefit to accessibility but I just wish nintendo fixed the NSO so it's a bit more accurate while having more QoL features.

[@diegorosillo6931]

As a person who doesn't own original hardware, this is the best thing I have. I really liked the game, it looks "fine" and lag is bearable, although not optimal. The game can become difficult, but it also let's you retry each hole as much as you want (no save states), regardless of the mode you're playing, so I was able to unlock all characters and got all birdie badges already 😅

[@diegorosillo6931]

Btw, great review 👍

[@Kelphelp]

Trust I ain't flackin for anybody playing this on whatever is convinent for them, I just really want the experience to be the same is all. Lag and other issues can change people's objective opinion on a game when at times might not be true

[@thatonegeeksite5251]

It’s been a blast playing through all these old games on switch. Hoping Nintendo announces a bunch of new ones for the service soon (and GBA games too).

[@PickledKong64]

Bro just emulate tho. There are better options available to you and paying $50 for awful online and emulation is a scam bro

[@PickledKong64]

@@hyperhighdrosis pc is often better than the original experience now

[@enid9911]

It looks like Mario Golf: Silent Hill edition

[@Kelphelp]

It plays like it too

[@SebHighDef]

i consistently hit perfect shots, must be you

[@Kelphelp]

No there's definitely lag present here. Easy to do so on the 64 but significantly different in Switch

[@mydreamyadventure3345]

Keep up the good work bro ! Never tried this game, seems fun. Played Mario Tennis instead, was really fun also

[@Kelphelp]

Ahh my Boi Dreamy!! Thanks again so much for allowing me to use your music like this. Seriously a huge fan of your work!! Would definitely recommend trying Golf if you want a very chill and relaxing experience but man those CPU difficulties is something! Thanks so much for watching man!

[@PaperBanjo64]

I think at this point the best option for Nintendo 64 emulation is probably a soft modded Wii with Nintendo 64 emulators and ROMs installed.

[@Kelphelp]

Agreed, Wii VC titles were pretty incredible and honestly are great ways to play these titles

[@ThatOldSchoolMagic]

I never Liked Mario Golf on N64 as a Kid. You were stuck with the 4 base characters until you beat them in unlock mode by winning competitions. The base Difficulty of the game is way harder than most ppl would anticipate. Let alone a kid back then. If it wasn’t for the cheat that unlocks all the characters and most of the stages. I don’t think I would have ever found any enjoyment with the game. Now a days I think Its alright ‘Still pretty difficult though’ but Toadstool Tour would have been the better game overall to bring back.

[@Kelphelp]

Yea but nintendo hasn't set an infrastructure for GC games so wouldn't hold your breath for TT to come. This the best we got

[@Z64sports]

Is anything different between the Japanese and USA cartridge versions?

[@Kelphelp]

I haven't found many other than the language which personally isn't hard since I can read Japanese. But the differences I have found are almost nonexistant

[@ZimingHong84]

Japanese version don't have metal Mario as a hidden character.

[@NintenPizza]

If i want to play N64, I'll just play the actual console, with the original controller and cartridges on a 27-32" Sony trinitron CRT Tube TV with a set of basic composite cables the way everybody used to back in 1996+.. ;) The emulations just don't look and feel right. That razor sharp HD picture isn't doing those aged polygons any favours. And it sucks, because i don't feel a single trinket of nostalgia playing ANY NES, SNES, N64(etc) NSO game. How can I when i'm playing them on modern hardware, on a 65" OLED TV, with razor sharp sprites, progressive scan, with a different controller, plus CRT's never suffered from Motion blur or latency either. I need that authenticity, the real thing to take me back and to get the best experience period, visually and of course not having any input lag. ;) NSO just isn't worth it for somebody like me, but I'm glad it's there and it's great because you get to play them either docked, handheld or in table top mode

[@Kelphelp]

And that's perfectly fine, we Def in the same camp, I know for retro enthusiasts it just won't do.

[@Illusion0206]

Does someone know how to open the password screen on the switch version? I tried and failed...

[@Kelphelp]

What? What password screen on Mario golf?!

[@Illusion0206]

@@Kelphelp there are several pages, which say that you can open a password screen at the clubhouse in Mario golf. To open it you should highlight 'clubhouse' while pressing R, Z and A. But I couldn't do it...

[@Illusion0206]

@chuggarocks1083 finally an answer! Thanks a lot!

[@jamesrainbow2389]

The lag is a lot better in handheld mode weirdly. Docked mode with a pro controller is pretty bad, makes some of the harder modes such as character unlock very hard. Wario is killing me! Shame, as a great game. I tried the pro controller in wired mode but that seemed just as problematic.

[@Kelphelp]

Interesting how it's thr exact same wired as wireless that makes no sense. So that must mean thr actual emulation is just laggy in itself. That's a huge shame because if that was fixed this might be a solid version to play!

[@ZimingHong84]

Wario is very hard to beat.

[@robertlauncher]

This just makes me want to see the branch that did NSO go under. They clearly don’t care about their work. Paper Mario 64 is pretty bad on the service, too

[@Kelphelp]

Agreed, it's def a neglected service to a degree

[@sethdhanson]

The lag makes it unplayable

[@benjaminyoung9694]

I agree 100%

[@Kelphelp]

I also agree

[@Bored_Barbarian]

First! I hope it gets fixed

[@Kelphelp]

Prolly won't but I hope to be wrong

[@Bored_Barbarian]

@@Kelphelp they finally fixed the graphics of OOT, so there’s hope.

[@Kelphelp]

True good point. I'm really hoping they fix the lag cuz man it's such a huge problem for timed games man

[@PickledKong64]

@@Bored_Barbarian shouldn’t be a problem in the first place

[@pierate8428]

i think you might have issues with views you gott up something

[@Kelphelp]

What? Can you rewrite this because the last part sounds incorrect

[@pierate8428]

nvm

[@Kelphelp]

Cool

[@pierate8428]

@@Kelphelp btw are you gonna make a re1 vid

[@Kelphelp]

I'm working on that right now actually. Waiting to hear back on a couple of things and almost done recording. It's quite a bit of work for sure

[@mamas.8259]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@renecarteir8092]

The Switch version is trash! Physics are inconsistent and don't make sense. And the CPU is ridiculously difficult

[@Kelphelp]

To be fair these were in the original to a degree but they are severely heightened by horrible lag and maybe even possible FPS smoothing

[@renecarteir8092]

@@Kelphelp i was referring to the 64 version on the Switch, FYI