Are VTuber Debuts Important?

[@losersGuide]

Sometimes as an artist I just wanna make a vtuber model for myself even though I have no plans to debut bc I don't have the time rn as I am in school, but I love watching these videos and imagining what my vtuber would be like

[@Shoumie]

Same! I already have a vtuber model finished, I just need to rig it, but even for that I can't really find the time haha

[@unicornclutter]

mood, I've made and rigged several models just bc I find it really fun even though i don't consider myself a streamer and don't stream all that regularly, usually only when I want to work on a project and want to make sure I focus on that without being distracted

[@YourMomsRideOrDie]

yall gotta try harder, you want it, go for it

[@sleepypaper]

9:25 me mentioned holy shit ! this video has such amazing points. i feel like people have put so much emphasis in the debut scene that often vtubers forget to prop it up with meaningful content. my model was featured in a few videos and the comments in one of them were full of people saying "its a good design, but she needs to be able to back it up with her content and entertainment ability", and that's the kind of thinking i prefer. i feel like people should always be challenging and iterating on the medium rather than just throwing whatever they can at a wall and hoping it sticks. a lot of indies try to have debuts that make them feel like mini corpos, and while thats nice in the moment its like you said, whats next? my thoughts arent super organized or unique from your video because i agreed with you entirely, lol. its just nuts, some of my first experiences with vtubing was watching some of your older videos and to see myself in one of them is crazy surreal. thank you so much for your thoughts and good luck on your upcoming debut and rebranding!

[@ShadymanX]

Lol, I love your model. Gives me a origami vibe :)

[@ellume6514]

These videos have been hitting the bullseye repeatedly for topics I'm working through

[@MariYumeCh]

yaaaaaas ive been trying to get the right topic convos hehe

[@call_mebecca]

I think it’s really important to show off what YOU like to do, especially if what you did before wasn’t just gaming. Like I love story telling and am working on videos about my own ocs, so if I make a lore video it’ll make sense why and would guide others to look my videos where I talk about storytelling! Selling yourself is all about making yourself interesting by using the things that you enjoy! You can’t just like.. post a song cover just because others do, especially if you don’t like singing! That’s what I’ve taken from vtuber debuts after consuming content for so long.

[@MariYumeCh]

its true, you got the right idea going on mebecca!!

[@karactr8361]

Hi Mari. Not a vtuber or streamer myself, but I still find your content engaging. You are even one of my go-to recommendations on the rare occassions someone asks how to start or improve their streams. My only complaint, if you can call it that, is that I liked your older models more than your current one. That's just me though.

[@MariYumeCh]

a lot of ppl like pm chan uwu

[@StarlightAkari]

This is probably one of my favorite videos you've made recently. I find myself very drawn to "debut culture" just conceptually, but they're all so formulaic since they're based on the agency debuts as you said. V4Mirai had some of the most innovative in recent memory though. The part about maintaining relevancy is something I *definitely* would love a future video on, because my fear is over time, being too repetitive with the same type of content and not having anything "new and flashy", as you mentioned so many people also feel. Thank you for this!

[@yeoniedollie]

4:04 ...not if I'm the one who made (and will be making more) EVERYTHING though 😅 I'll plan to just list everything as myself when I showcase my model lmaooo, would look satisfying and impressive I believe! But it eats up TONS of time from my life 😩 idk if I'd recommend lolol

[@peterxyz3541]

That’s a great idea…. Me streaming ONLY debuts of myself!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂👍🏼

[@MariYumeCh]

everyday is a debut imagine haha

[@MagicalGirlVtuber]

I honestly agree with what you're saying. When i first started streaming, i didn't even have a debut cause i never really thought about it, mainly cause during that time i didn't know what a vtuber was. I just wanted some way to represent myself without having to show my face. The first time i was able to have a real debut, it was with my 2d model. It was the first time i was able to actually introduce myself to an audience as I never thought about it before from my start, but i feel like i also understand why there so important to people, at least as the starting point of being a vtuber.

[@CloverbunVT]

I recently started streaming without a debut and I'm glad I did it! When I tried to become a VTuber when I was younger I would spent lots of time thinking about my debut, but not doing one is probably better for me (no streaming experience) in the long run. Also I wouldn't trust a 13 year old with OBS with my life LMAO

[@NovemberFrostVODS]

I was thinking about his a lot lately, with my model potentially being done within the next month. On one hand I was worried no one was going to show to my "debut" or "model review" stream. Another hand I was worried people would only show up for the debut, then leave after, making the whole thing kinda pointless. I dont have a lot of money to spend on it, and my artistic ability is kinda shoddy and my editing skills are servicable at best. I've put a lot of effort into building up a foundation of my stream, but never really thought about what its focus should be. I think I want to lean in on the lore bits. I like to write in my free time when im not busy, but im not sure if others would *like* the story i have in mind. I dont know, there's a lot to think about

[@fuhbree]

Hey Mari, I've been loving your videos so far! If you do plan to do a video on viewer retention, I'd love to hear about the differences between how small creators and big creators keep their audience coming back to watch them again. Love your advice again, always looking forward to your next release 🤍💙

[@pointblankmfr9467]

Great advice Im going to need soon

[@Ovalee]

You honestly uploaded this at such a relevant time 😭

[@xelasneko]

One point I agree with in the video is about treating debuts as a milestone, or in this case, a starting point. One of the things I always like to see vtubers react to their debut and see how far or how much they have changed or how many of their goals they have achieved.

[@skyeshi3570]

I'm planning on streaming once i fix my computer and fix up my life a bit, but I'm watching your videos and not planning to debut, just to show up and do what I want.

[@geeksgrimoire]

Debut used to be super huge in the early days, because there were only a few dozen vTubers and the community as a whole would rally around the new vTuber on the scene. Today with thousands of new vTubers, you just can't pull that draw as a new vTuber, only either an existing vTuber with a new model that already has an audience or large corporate where they again, have an expanded community to pull viewers from. So I think new vTubers can have fun with a debut, but one today should never bank on it being the reason achieve success.

[@RemitheDreamfox]

Yaaay~ Great video! I did my original vtuber debut almost three years ago now and it was just a video. At some point I'll be getting a 2.0 model and will want to do a full proper debut like I've always seen other people do. Though living up to those types of expectations is stressful, so imma just figure out something fun and derpy that shows off my personality \uwu/

[@TigressTilly]

as baby pngtuber, i was so confused about how i needed to go about debuting and this really took a load off my chest. i was so intimated by the culture but feel so much better now.

[@LuciVLillium]

Vtuber logos, Retention, more on the different levels of a debut, what are the different vtuber types (cosy, game, activity, educational, other), should you split up you channel(asmr channel, live stream channel, tutorial channel, channel pergame played etc) how to set goals with your community and what those goals can be, how to deal with finance taxes setting up company type for vtubing

[@HoshinoMitsuki]

I think learning about viewer retention would certainly be great!

[@Swiftstar88]

I want to see more unique debuts like V4Mirai's Gen 3. Having your own website is a great idea too, many popular VTubers already do (like you, Meowmoonified, Jessie Llum, etc.). That said, I'm also super old school with what I like in streamers, so I'd be happy with VTubers who just start streaming or making videos, I find most of them way after their debuts anyway... and what tells me the most about a VTuber is see their actual content and deciding if I like it, not their debut at all XD 100% on your take for model debuts being Marketing or Community Rewards, that's a great use for them.

[@MiniWi-Fi_official]

Question 1. How do you schedule your next streaming session,but other things distract you. How do you prevent that from happening? Lso Ty for the advice! ❤

[@Ottertuber]

Been really enjoying all the educational content

[@FinalFrost3]

This helps me think of how a debut can be used more effectively, thank you.

[@RealmRabbit]

Feel like I'd try to keep it short and/or interesting, but I'm definitely crediting my artist in the video given they're making it for my as an xmas gift and that's wild lol... Once the model is eventually ready, shouldn't be too long I don't think? Idk the full process though for sure...

[@unicornclutter]

tbh as an artist if i made someone a model like yes ofc make me findable but no part of your debut stream should feel like an advert for your artists, you being yourself and being a good entertainer for your audience *is* the advert, if someone is watching you and deciding they like your model and want simmilar they will go find the information, its very sweet and lovely that many vtubers want to support and shout out the people they've worked with to bring their character to life but simply using those assets and working towards your own success is plenty

[@vimorrah]

I didn't do anything special for my debut. I genuinely did not see the point of doing a huge, important big one. Maybe if I make enough money to get a fancier model in the future Ill hype that up. But honestly some advice to retain viewers would be nice. I love your content Mari, you've been a good source of advice since I first started thinking about becoming a VTuber. TY for being so supportive of us sprouting content creators. ^^

[@meakimon]

I think I'll just tell people what date I'll start using my model, so if they're curious then they can tune in haha

[@UMAtronic]

Id honestly wanna see a video about motivation too.

[@pyrussy]

I would love to learn about community retention

[@ScionSetsuna]

I never debuted as a Vtuber, I technically have been one for nearly a decade, never understood debuting and even now, feel like I understand it less and less, good video overall, helped me understand it a bit better

[@PupGuti]

I think it depends if you are starting out of nowhere getting like zero viewers, then I think a more drip feed of information is great, cause u know, if you do a debut and no one see it you are probably getting demotivated!

[@KotaUnlocks]

sorry for commenting before watching all of it so this sentiment may be covered, just felt like sharing. I'm getting my first payed model finished this week and have 0 intention to debut. I think without the backing of a corp or an already established large fan base a debut is just putting the cart before the horse. you should ideally be aiming to establish what your brand is initially then later you can transition to debuting and such. I think Geega is a good example of this, as she was making content for a year before actually debuting and by the time she did she established herself as someone worth watching. When I get my new model I'm just going to stream/record like usual and just mess around with my new toggle/expressions for more content within the stream itself rather then make it the focus.

[@LintelloBrume]

I agree with the general idea that too much importance is placed on the debut itself. Debuts are big events to get eyes on them, but it is pointless if you don't already make entertaining content since everyone will fall off. I do have some differing takes though. For slides/Hololive-style debuts, I feel they were fine for their time, but I generally agree. They are lacking personality, and the rise of "Debut 2.0" is proof that it just doesn't work. However, I actually think artist credits can be valuable during debut, but only if you are working with a well known/respected artist. Who you know or who you can work with does say something about you and your network, and can act as social proof, especially if you are new. It probably shouldn't, but it absolutely does. It may be a more narrow case, but if you are net-new to the scene, any social proof can help a ton. I do agree that you shouldn't spend a bunch of time on it though unless it is serving the narrative of sharing who you are and why folks should care (for example, funny stories or cool insights can shed more light on yourself). While you can show some personality with slides, I generally dislike them and think folks should challenge themselves to be more creative with how they show themselves off. I've seen some VTubers treat debut like a "react stream of themselves", and you can use that as a trip down memory lane, or a way to introduce folks to your content and who you are for example. Think outside of the box for how you share yourself with others. When you touch on lore videos/MVs, I think you put too much weight on them specifically. At worst, they are just hype pieces shared during an event. The reality is that the content that tells folks about you has always been between the things you share - the conversations. If we want to look at the benefit of lore videos / MVs themselves, they do share your aesthetic and preferences in small-to-medium ways, which does help develop your theming and brand in general. It's only an issue if it is completely out of character, which I'd say is a different type of problem of folks trying to be someone they aren't because they think VTubing is about role play exclusively.

[@Octarockstudios]

I stream every day and right now working on rig my own vtuber and plan to do my dubut on day 2500 in a row right now its day 2270. and thanks for the video i be added to my list of notes to rember. as slow get close to the time. my plan is look back on the lass 2500 days in a row streaming an talk about what i hope do and play for next 2500 days my goal 1 day is make 5k streaming very day and this just be my next step in the road of me as a streamer.

[@jrtime228]

In summary; keep it simple, make it entertaining to the viewer, limit the info you share to you as a vtuber (with a nod to other people), show don't tell about your content, and don't set much of an expectation so viewers will HAVE to come back to see what you are actually doing.

[@shiftiebonanza]

during my 1st debute stream I just played Genshin and showed people my new model, heck my latest models didn't even get redebutes and stuff because I was busy

[@Sakurazoku]

I wish i can get a call with you to talk about the vtuber scene, very interesting

[@boarbane]

i really wwant to debut stream but im am SO SCARED of messing something up

[@dadragonzdenn]

Hi Mari! I love your videos and they're really engaging to watch.

[@MariYumeCh]

thank you dragonz!!!! i am glad

[@KeiMidori_]

For the credits, honestly it just feels right to see the vtuber mention it on a debut 😅 Definitely shouldn't take too long but 1 slide shown for a minute or two dedicated to the mama and papa should totally be fine imo

[@bellamyvermillionvt419]

My "Debut" was so scuffed, so many technical difficulties and mess ups that ive embraced and laugh at now, but at the time was super stressful. It wasnt a super great debut at all, but it was fun.

[@janLokan]

i don't think that, when i'll start vtubing, i'll have a debut stream. like, i'll probably have some sort of introduction video? but i dont know how i'd guide people to a debut stream with my 0 streaming experience lol

[@iruminate]

i personally haven't really done a "debut", only a "first stream" where i talked about some of my interests, and i don't think that new vtubers should put too much effort/money into a debut when they first start out. gain an audience, debut later on! usually that works better for a lot of people. ps. squiiishhh mentioned

[@splamei]

I say no to VTuber debuts. My debuts? Here's a new model. That's it.

[@Amigubunny]

Idk why but i don't feel well streaming, so i am just recording a bunch of video (including a debut) to post them later on, i guess i am more comfortable that way?😅

[@UnqSoleil_VT]

I’m the same way! I have such a short attention span and I can only sit at my desk for so long before I get antsy. I’m more into recording videos and posting them later like you said. I honestly never thought about recording my own debut and posting it later but it sounds like such a good idea!

[@Rosiebellmoo]

Not the Lego fortnite haha❤😂

[@TheDkmariolink]

Debuts are like being raided by a streamer, you have to capitalize on it, or the viewers will just dip in the next hour and never return, and all you get is a nice boost of inactive followers.

[@Runzi333]

I think taking a long time going over credits might be a bad idea but as a viewer I actually do care who made the model and rigged it. That's why I watch vtubers or I'd just go watch other streamers. Also crediting in the areas people generally don't look at is a disservice to the people who spent time and effort to make your stuff possible. Not saying your wrong about length taken on certain things but like yeah as a viewer I actually do care a lot about the artists behind the models.

[@greystudios2021]

My debut was utterly TERRIBLE. I had no clue whatsoever what I was doing and just streamed a horror game for two hours on Halloween. Not exactly original. 😅

[@MariYumeCh]

i did the exact same thing XD i played outlast haaah

[@officialjbe]

if anyone reading this, are you here because that video she mention debut "daeybyut"?

[@DrachenIvy]

jokes on you i can skip the credits bit because i made everything lmao

[@honeykawaii5076]

I wanna be a vtuber one day

[@CHeroVT]

I agree with what you said here. Debuting is NOT inherently bad at all, but I think we created a lousy expectation that many people need to make an excellent yet very expensive model to get attention. In other words, clout-chasing imo. There are more things valuable than just a fancy model. Of course, at the end of the day, it is your choice whether to get a fancy yet expensive model or upgrade to your current model. It's funny that you uploaded this because a little bit beforehand, I decided to get a new gender-bent PNG model for myself, but I will want to eventually get a live 2D model. I know the live 2D model is expensive, so I want to start small and go with PNG instead as a start. Maybe I will get the live 2D model if I reach a certain milestone, like 1000 subs, by the end of the year, or get my YT channel monetized. I don't think I will have a debut for the PNG model, but I will use it for making a content that my audience, including potential new people can enjoy watching.

[@bsd.chu.uyanakahara]

the thing is, im watching this video and seeing about the credits stuff , do i have to credit MYSELF for making MY own model? Its just a question in mind, I think you dont really need to add credits if you made the model yourself lmao

[@nervouszoom4640]

should people go vtubing without debuting even if they streaming into irl or faceless type?

[@rameninderzahl]

As a Stupit internet User. I Think a video about chanalpoint inspiration would be great. this is a question that is askt a lot by human that i know. sorry for the of topic comment

[@Spika94]

Ngl, I never watch indie Debut videos/streams because to me it is kinda over the top, excessive and pointless. They show up with all this lore, likes, dislikes, and whatever, only for it to be pretty much discarded, vaguely referenced or forgotten in a couple streams down the line. And in half a year's time they come with this entirely new model and they do a whole new debut event for that as well, and I just find it kinda dumb, personally, because I just got attached to this character, but now that is gone. It makes sense for agency vtubers to debut, because they tend to also be actual idols, with managers, staff, and all of that. A random twitch vtuber likely have none of that, they could just fire up a stream and say "Hey yo, I'ma play some Pocket monsters" And then there is the whole thing about indies "graduating" Why? Why do you have to graduate? You're not held down by anyone. Everything is yours. Quitting entirely just makes no sense, and I feel it is done purely to check a box on the Vtuber list of things to do... And then of course in a few months they show up again with a brand new debut (sometimes), because oh, it was kinda dumb to graduate after all. EDIT: Of course I am not saying you can't debut, you do whatever you want. And the things you guys make are really cool. But did it have to be a "debut"? "debut" to me feels like this "vtuber" checklist thing everyone has to do for some reason, even though the majority of your audience never even saw it because they came in afterward. Though I guess that's partly why Vtubers feel like they have to "debut" AGAIN later on..

[@aerithreborntv]

what about skinfluencer debuts?

[@MariYumeCh]

omg imagine

[@p1_dreamin828]

To me this "debut culture" sounds like it's just another poorly executed concept that was taken from idol culture. Imo the only way to make this concept work is to go about it the same way kpop groups do their album showcases. You have your debut album showcase, and then another showcase for each new album as well. (However since not all vtubers make music, obviously you'd have to change things up to suit the content that you make.) Difference is that Kpop album showcases only contain a few things to not overwhelm new fans with useless info dumps. They follow a pretty strict order of events 1. group performs a song or two 2. mc introduces themself 3. mc brings group back on stage 4. group does their group introduction and then proceeds onto quick individual ones 5. mc makes small talk w the group and they talk a bunch about the songs they just performed and maybe a recent special event like a birthday or smth 6. group performs another song or two, maybe three 7. group plays a short little game narrated by the mc, more talking about their music 8. maybe perform another song 9. group plays games for a much longer time 10. group says their goodbyes and plans for future activities 11. group then maybe comes back on stage to perform one last song This typically accumulates to an hour and a half of footage, gives viewers the chance to naturally see your personality instead of you just yapping about yourself, shines plenty light on whatever talent/work you do, gives time to briefly go over your credits, consistently keeps viewers focused and solves the common viewer retention issue, and best of all it can be very affordable if you go about it right.

[@Mysdia]

30 Min. debuts and excessively lavish spending seem like massive mistakes. That's not doing the best possible effort to keep people excited, sell the channel while people are excited, and hook them on the streamer and their content. People leaving their debut streams so short to 30 minutes seems like a massive waste, since most viewers who just came for debut Won't be back, even if they would have been happy to stay longer for a longer debut. That is it seems a waste dumping the viewers early without giving 'em A full length stream of the streamer's best content and strongest chance of hooking people.

[@mushihimesamas]

This girl is OD and Spitting bars at the same time. I am so sick of everyone just up and copying each other on twitch, same *rave/heart* emotes and all. For once I'd just like to see someone just sitting down and gaming. (aside from playing forkknife and cheap ass indie "simulation" games) And you know what? The people who actually DO this are the ones with 0 views that NONE OF YOU reading this will ever bother checking out, i'm sure. Yah rather go to higher view counts with the tubers doing the same dang thing day in and day out just because said viewership is higher, I guess for what? To make things less awkward for you? Actually try searching the bottom of the barrel for once ple..no i'm not even gonna say please just Do it.

[@JaxHolo]

After they debut they became unseiso and cringe for reacting to their past debut.

[@deltazero3796]

Not really.

[@MariYumeCh]

exactly!

[@qtheplatypus]

What is important is not pronouncing the “t” in debut.

[@MariYumeCh]

I'll make sure to put more emphasize on the T just for you

[@zenosins]

hi, English/Literature major here - having worked in the world of public speaking/publishing, nobody actually cares how you pronounce these words. it's very nuanced and at the end of the day not really relevant to the overall sum of its parts. o7

[@elsa_g]

@@zenosins I gotta disagree, as someone who’s reading vocabulary outstrips their spoken/pronunciation vocabulary, I can say from experience that many people are very bothered by a word being pronounced in a way they consider wrong. It might not be more important than the content of what you’re saying, but it’s definitely a pet peeve for many people lol.

[@zenosins]

@@elsa_g I won't say it doesn't bother people - but if you're willing to dispute and disregard someone's entire argument because they pronounced a word wrong simply because it is a "pet peeve", then that's ignoring the credibility of the statement and focusing on "okay but you said this wrong". At the end of the day, it's still nitpicky and doesn't reflect well on those who claim its validity.

[@qtheplatypus]

@@zenosins it’s just something that greats on my ears. It has a real nails on a blackboard effect

[@Honeyboobooboo]

Debut, debuting, and debuted. The T is silent. Vtubers seem to not know how to pronoun this word.