Mark's Milestones In Recording Gear | And Why He HATES ADAT!

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[@TheFakeNewsFrog]

ADAT 8 Black Face’s, RME or Ferrofish interface with analog out & multiple optical ports, BRC… Use the BRC as a MIDI controller by mapping it to your DAW. Link BRC to interface using World Clock. Use the DAW to record instead of the tape. There! Problem solved. You get an incredibly cool MIDI centre piece, the lovely Delta-Sigma Converters, classic 90’s sound, no dropout, no tape chewing, no sync issues… Just pure goodness! So for example, you could have 32 channels, DA conversion from the interface into a console, out of the consoles Direct Out’s or Groups into ADAT, Stereo Mix into tape machine, tape machine into interface… Or you could even try using the ADAT’s for full AD/DA, and use the analog section of your interface as Inserts for plugins. Link the analog connections to a patch bay, and patch in plugins with the rest of your equipment. There’s multiple uses for ADAT in 2022, and don’t be so fast to knock the converters! In regards to the Radar though, there’s a reason it stuck around in studio’s like CLA’s for decades.

[@KozmykJ]

I nearly bought a fancy cassette machine in 1973. 17 and clueless, I did a little more digging and bought an Akai 4000 reel to reel instead. Still have it. Overdriving the Mic i/p gave a lush Fuzz, possibly Germanium. I had to replace one of the i/p chips because of that. R8 ? - A bit on the skinny side but eminently sync'able. Used one at work, alongside U-Matic videos and much bigger Studers. Best Fostex I ever owned (half owned) was the B-16.

[@PrestonHazard]

The Tascam stuff is amazing. My 90-16 is a tank, it fires up every time I need it to, and for being a 40 year old machine, she’s more reliable than anything made now

[@johnadams3888]

Ahh, the lovely Alesis ADAT. We had 2 and a BRC. If they didn't chew the tapes up, they magically produced dropouts. Who needs SMPTE on track 16 anyway?... Hang on, why are the vocals 2 bars ahead of the sequencer!

[@untruenorth]

“Bought from the music shop I worked in at the time in 1989”… I glanced at the picture, assumed it was somewhere off TCR, then focused harder and realised it’s actually my bleedin’ local, Millers. Loved aimlessly browsing (and occasionally spending stupid amounts of money) there in the before times.

[@PresentDayProduction]

That was it! 1987-1993 I was there I think

[@JonnyPink65]

I have to say that finding you has been perfect for me. You just mastered 7 songs for me and each time I listen, I am more blown away than before. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! 🙏💖

[@Beatledave7]

What a trip thru your audio adventures! I still have my Akai mg1212 it’s wrapped up & lives in my garage. The tape transport comes up/ then goes down immediately before I can get a tape in! So glad to move to Logic! I love it! Thanks for all your awesome tips.

[@reread2549]

Thank you for the video, quite a few blasts from the past. I started out on a Tascam 80-8 with No DBX module and a Peavey MKIII 16 channel mixer to a Pioneer R-T707 stereo reel to reel. I think that I owned a Sennheiser 421 and a pair of 57’s and 58’s. No compressor- limiters or digital reverb and delay, But I did manage to record drums, guitars and vocals. Thanks again for the video

[@axilleas]

Thanks for taking as along this fascinating trip down memory lane! Really, really interesting stuff! P.S.: I'd love to own a portastudio style recorder and an analog console to go with it at some point, I think it might be a really inspiring experience in terms of the limitations it imposes.

[@randomcustomer2806]

Brilliant, I had a parallel journey through the 4-tracks, shit spring reverbs and MTR90s (and all the Doblys) and my favourite setup was the Otari Status 48-channel desk and 2 second generation 24-Bit Radar recorders. Hugh Padgham used to record through those amazing converters before going into PT digitally. Once took the Radars to CTS to record Copland's Fanfare for an ad and I'll always remember Engineer Dick Lewzy's expression when I said we could just cut, copy and paste 48 tracks between takes with just a few button presses. That setup was bulletproof. And no screens, no CPU meter, no buffering, bliss.

[@angermanagementstudios]

Fostex D80! Three of the buggers synced together! They never let me down. I made a gazillion recordings on them whilst learning my craft. Best bit of gear ever! Great video as always fellas.

[@onemanband3579]

Nice video. You were really lucky to have the chance to use such great gear.

[@peterblackmore7560]

My first "big" mixer for live sound was a TAC 16/4 hard mounted in a green roadcase. After a corporate tour (car launch for Ford methinks), and the end of a Perth to Melbourne redeye flight, I was watching my roadcases go down the cargo conveyor and watched horrifed as the TAC wobbled a bit and fell off the side of the conveyor. It survived althought it probably took a year off my life. Also on that trip would have been my two Otari MX 2050 (?) half track machines in my yellow roadcases. Thanks for the memories Mark.

[@LondonSteveLee]

Yep hated ADAT - the tape - but never had a an issue with ADAT as a way to link stuff. Got 16 channels of external pre's going into my RME 802 - faultless.

[@johnnyvegas2015]

great video, I really enjoyed watching it...cheers

[@superlavaman]

Owned 3 Alesis Adats with the BRC, I was very satisfied with them. I did loads of recordings on them for years. Maybe you had a monday morning production from the factory, or I was simply an enormous lucky bastard 😂

[@tonye9045]

This was a fun trip down memory lane. I still have my Quadraverb although the 3630 is long gone! Thanks for the memories 👍

[@NicStride]

Watching this is making me glad I started getting into recording in the early 2010s, rather than the 20th century. :P

[@selbalamir]

Fun fact - Daft Punk used the 3630 as the pumping stereo bus compressor on their Homework album (and best album). That’s how punk they were.

[@officialsimonharris]

I got one recently, they are great and can be found for around 70 quid on eBay

[@unclemick-synths]

Mine still sees occasional use. Much overlooked because they weren't an 1176 - at that price only an idiot would expect it to be.

[@valleywoodstudio7345]

Understand the ADAT horrors, but personally like the optical side and never had an issue! I still have an XT20 on a shelf here... I started out in 1988 with a second hand Fostex 250 which I still have and get out for teaching. It could do everything if you explored the direct out, tape in and rec in phonos at the back - which was a great learning curve to signal path stuff. Also got an Alesis Microverb 2 brick which is still in use. I still feel that kid like excitement when I power up the Fostex. Also have the little 6301 speakers, where one is my mono ref. Moved to a Mackie 1604VLZ and Fostex R8 in mid 90's as well as a first gen dbx 1066A USA built - but seems I had a lot more luck with the R8 than you! Monitored on to AE100 hifi speakers. FX where a budget Lexicon Alex and Boss dm2 delay pedal. AE100 hifi as monitors and mixed to a Fostex D5 dat. Moved to an Allen & Heath GS3 and a plethora of Drawmers and Roland verbs...with ADATs...and got Genelec 1030a around 2001. Currently I'm at a Soundtracs PC Midi - via Tim - and RME hardware and ProTools with Genelec 1030s - couldn't be happier. Its fun hearing about these journeys!

[@MuLtI1970_MIDI_channel]

Hi Mark, James and FlopCat. Thanks for sharing your former gear with us. I would have loved to see you cutting cassette tapes and taping them back together becausse it makes me asking myself "would he have made the same mess as i did back in the days ?", lol

[@huntergalloway3944]

I love my Sony TC-377 R2R, and you’re absolutely right, they don’t make equipment this serviceable anymore! As long as it’s kept up, it’ll always work!

[@frankcoffey]

The ADAT and Mackie 8 bus was very important to me for home recording. The quality was incredible and the tape was so cheap I could record ANY idea I had. Of the 60 songs I have on my KZbin channel Frank Coffey Songs almost all of them were tracked on ADAT.

[@AnSpirAlucard]

Just love you! Thanks for your videos, go on!!!!

[@tommibjork]

I still use HD24 as a converter and ADAT outputs for recording 😊... Never used the tape version but I can understand your pain. I personally feel the opitical outs are like any other outputs.

[@Simeon_Harris]

whoa, blast from the past - we had two of those akai's slaved together in our old home studio. amazing machines! i think allan holdsworth recorded a chunk of the atavachron album on one as well. they did sound great.

[@officialsimonharris]

Nice shout out to Tim Jones, Mr Soundtracs who installed my first proper desk (CM4400) in 88' and came back many times to fix the VU meter bulbs . . . . still a friend to this day . . .

[@fitzjameswood5486]

I always loved the sound of the Black face ADATs. Those converters were lovely. Never heard any digital stuff as nice.

[@jeffagoddard]

Love this story - seems we have a similar history of gear (until your studio job). The early digital phase was very interesting. I’m tight with the Canadian parent that bought Alesis. They were innovators on a budget. My first real interface was MOTU Traveler firewire with MacBook. Today I have UA Apollo Thunderbolt interfaces, but I occasionally connect the very old MOTU via ADAT for extra input [just to bug you].

[@VoyageOne1]

I’ve snapped up a few ADAT machines over the years as a more cost effective means to expand the I/O on my MOTU 828 Mk3

[@infinaneek]

Dave Dearden is my mate’s dad. I went to school with his kid! We had. A nice audience desk at my uni at DMU

[@trevfisher]

To quote Tiswas "This is what they want". SOS really was our education before the internet along with International Musician. I had an R8 and am still somewhat traumatised by the experience of trying to make it sync with my Atari 1040 and the MTC1 interface/monumental source of lost weekenderiser. It was an upgrade from the Porta 01 though and the only outboard I had was a Vestafire reverb which wasn't rubbish. My heart skipped a little when I saw the Akai, I had the use of one for a year and the thing just got out of the way and was the best workflow I have ever known, I had the white one with the burgundy (not red) leather arm rest which oozed class, an aristocrat of gear past. It made me smile every time I walked into the room it was in just looking at it. I have yet to regret buying anything Alesis have made. Perhaps one show on regretful purchases? I could do a whole season (the would involve some crying and nobody would watch) on the Roland Rap-10 sound card that had an SC7 on a chip and promised 2 tracks of audio in and out but sadly for a computer spec that hadn't been built yet. A great trip down memory lane Mark, thanks.

[@unclemick-synths]

I hot-rodded my Tascam 244 to bypass the dbx on track 4 and used the JLCooper. Rock solid sync for the Atari. However I still wish I'd bought a Tascam 8-track instead of the Atari because MIDI gear never gave me the results I had hoped for.

[@trevfisher]

@@unclemick-synths I love any thread with our war stories, kids today eh? Don't know they're born but will argue the finer points of compressors (plug ins) we didn't know we even "needed'.

[@unclemick-synths]

@@trevfisher I hate to come across like one of The Four Yorkshiremen (there are enough whiney old farts lurking in Rick Beato's comments section) but we definitely learnt important skills from fighting the technology. I stopped recording on a computer several years back to return to quicker ways of recording. There's something visceral about grabbing my MPC or my trusty Korg multitracker and sticking mics in front of stuff or using line outs from amps or my ART channel strip. I do finalize the mix on the computer but most sounds were already 95% there when I hit Record.

[@TheMixClub]

Nice to see your past gear / toys and rooms. I wish my analogue gear was still around. What a dumb *** . You will love this. What i do have in the barn for some reason is a few old ADATS and a remote.... LOL WTF was i thinking... I do have a old 2 track that im gonna get restored some day. My first 4 track was TASCAM 234 Syncaset 4 track and my first console to right home about was the TASCAM 512 then a 520. This board was noisy but the Eq section was full of goodness. Keep up the vids. Your channel is a breath of fresh air. You know your stuff. I learn from your content and it makes me think again. Carry On!!

[@bunjumun]

I just got my hands on a lovely Mt3x looks like i still have a lot of tape machines to get through to get to where you are.

[@roger_rivas]

Mark! Is there anywhere we can hear your early funky organ stuff? Love this channel!

[@PresentDayProduction]

I’ll dig some tapes out!

[@JonathanHiller]

For all it's not being built heavy, the Fostex R8 is a very good sounding machine. I made MANY recordings on one of them. My friend I sold it to still uses it to this day. Never a lick of trouble out of it, and it has thousands of hours on it. It IS true, though, that Fostex wanting it to also be portable meant it not being made as heavy as it should have been, just to it was easier to tote around.

[@dubflex100]

Great Video I Had A set Of Panasonic MDA 1s

[@citizenworld8094]

Why do cats and studios make great combinations? My cat sits beside me for hours at the edge of my keyboard. She's a white Snow-shoe with gorgeous blue eyes. Her name is Frida Sheila! I got a new Mac and she likes to walk on it because sometimes I put the cat vids on. Anyways, thanks for the purrfect vintage trip!

[@dubflex100]

My cats love the heat and vibrations

[@GSSoulTV]

A cat almost destroyed my studio

[@allen394]

Mark's nostalgic journey made for very a very entertaining and informative video. So Mark has gone from hating ADAT to loving A CAT 🐈 One question "Did you use a torch when under the duvet with the Hamond?"

[@cornerliston]

We need to talk more about SMPTE striper/master units.

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

I’ve got a Quadraverb and a 3630 in my rack, along with a D4…Really need to wire them up and use them

[@emiel333]

Love ❤️ your channel. And the cat 🐈

[@PrinceWesterburg]

ADAT as an interface works flawlessly between my RME UCX and the RME 8 channel expander (I forget it's name) but I think the RME kit fires up, spits a sysex code down the ADAT lightpipe and if there is RME kit on the other end then it uses it's own protocol. I really think you missed something with the ADAT mahcines i.e. A sync plug, like analogue broadcast kit had, else they would have never synced. I saw a band record on ADAT without issue, but it was 30 years ago!

[@PresentDayProduction]

I’m still not taking them out of the ground 🤣

[@richardjameswinter7642]

I had a fostex 280 synced to an atari St using a unitor back in 1991. I used cubase.

[@lathedog1]

AAAARGH , my PADATSD is kicking in,I bought 3 of these when upgrading my commercial studio in the early 90's, jeezo, drove me nuts, I hated them too but was stuck with them for years , and of course just because te pain wasn't severe enough, moving on from my Atari 1040ST and Yamaha MMX computersI invested in a PC with a Digidesign 001 card and the first version of shite-tools, sorry, pro tools ..... oh those were the days ..... were they f*ck ! lol ........

[@travisraab]

this just makes me want to get an adat

[@IrenESorius]

What a trip huh,, 🥰. Cheers,, 🍻🍻😎👍‍‍👍‍‍

[@matthewJ142]

Adat and dat tapes were the weak links for alesis and sony digital recorders, but the innovation of the optical connections is actually quite amazing when you think about it.

[@unclemick-synths]

3:33 my mate had the Fostex 8-track, not as good as my Tascam 244 in sound quality despite operating at twice the tape speed and the crosstalk was horrendous unlike the lovely 244.

[@daustin777]

Whenever I hear about the RADAR, I think about Fingaz from The Daily Advertures of Mixerman!

[@peterbrandt7911]

Thank you very much for the insights. Funny, we went from a 4 track Portastudio, to the 8 track portastudio and then also to an R8 for a very short time and switched also to the TSR 8. We then got an adat as well, but synched it to a pc with a small Digidesign harddisk recording system, which gave us 12 tracks, plus additional sequencer tracks via SMTP. We had a 24 channel Soundcraft console and a 12 channel Fostex mixer for submixes of the synth stuff. Sadly, the latter is only piece I still have, but do not use anymore. If possible, why not enable channel memberships? Just as an easy way of support, without special content and not as a paygate.

[@PresentDayProduction]

We really want to do channel memberships but feel we need to create dedicated content for that, so we are trying to work it out!

[@peterbrandt7911]

@@PresentDayProduction Well, it's up to you of course and I would certainly subscribe, but subjectively, I do not see the need to pull content away from other people. I'd be happy to pay a share for the things you already do. If you feel the urge to give people a benefit, why not some sort of limited support, or mixing / production tips? Or maybe make a poll upfront? I dunno :)

[@PresentDayProduction]

We’re working on a mixing consultancy service, so we’ll announce that soon!

[@peterbrandt7911]

@@PresentDayProduction I didn't want to ruin the surprise, sry :)

[@PresentDayProduction]

No worries 🤣

[@ronanzann4851]

I bought one the very first ADAT units.....I can't recall the year...1991 or 92 ??? Used it every day for almost 10 years and "NEVER" had a single problem. I can see people buying one these days and expecting them to work !

[@Rhythmattica]

I worked in a few music shops from 1990.. And re the 3630.. (The address of alesis at the time , BTW) , and some of the first runs used a DBX vca.. Also , one of the fastest gates ive ever seen/heard.. Great rack... Cant say that for all their stuff,,, Though , I would of bought the Shop Floor Andromeda (obviously now in the noughties) , a RED one, But alas, some other gear came up I couldn't say no to.. And since Alesis was acquired at the time by Numark. With , Those proprietary VCA/VCFs.. if they fail... ....... Yeh... Na.

[@CheapoCardCompany]

Mark... when editing your cassettes with scissors... did you do both sides at once, or just cut side one, leaving side 2 intact... erm..? Take the baskets off my mics and, effectively, you’d have a broken nose. Had (have) the Alesis 3630, of course... but chose the half-rack Boss SE50 for effects, using its long repeating delay as a looper... (was I ahead of everyone’s time..? You wouldn’t know it, if so). Yea... TAC Scorpions... seemed to be in every budget studio I did work in, back in the day. As I write this, the whole of the UK is suffering from the deleterious effects of the extreme gusting wind... and I believe there’s a storm happening, as well.

[@Chavacano]

You are a very cool dude 👍

[@morbidmanmusic]

Adat..yeah, same experience. But the HD24 was awesome.

[@selbalamir]

I’ve pretty much had all of these exact pieces of gear too over the past 30 years. I vehemently disagree with your views on the adat. If only for the reason that the invention of the adat probably facilitated the early stages of artists and projects which went on to bigger and better things that might not have otherwise. Also once the tapes were redundant they served on for many years as digital front ends for people’s rigs. And I had three that synced up with never any problem. I’ve still got them. Sometimes I go back to sessions from 1996 to lift off something or other. They still work perfectly. No doubt about the RADAR - they sounded amazing. Would definitely get one.

[@PresentDayProduction]

Maybe I lost my patience with ADAT too soon… but I think the RADAR might have swayed me too!

[@kaislivesoundchannel4706]

I own a Alesis Microverb and guess what. I still use it as my tom reverb.

[@PresentDayProduction]

Yeah, they’re great!

[@unclemick-synths]

Yep, my Microverb III still sees use.

[@infindebula]

I started in the mid-1980s as well (albeit not professionally), and I never really got a grasp on compression until the mid-2000s. Maybe I should have been reading more SOS and less Keyboard.

[@1337murk]

500 quid for that Otari is nuts, that would be around 5k these days lol

[@officialsimonharris]

I always wanted an MTR-90 and I would have been equally happy with and MX-80. they made great machines

[@cederickforsberg5840]

I actually broke a SM57 in two when I was playing drums live and accidently hit it. And no, I dont mean the plastic grill thing, I mean I broke the actual mic in two at the threaded connection!!!. Now, maybe that was not a authentic SM57, but goddamn... I was HITTING HARD back then!

[@PresentDayProduction]

Wow, that’s quite an achievement!

[@frankcoffey]

Things can happen when musicians are in the zone. My brother once played a Martin D35 so hard he would break strings every show even the low E! When the top split and had to be cleated he sold it out of mercy for the guitar. He switched to an ‘81 Ovation Legend Limited and it held up well.

[@daustin777]

I still have my Alesis 3630 and ADAT sitting in my storage room.

[@MrNEWDY]

Growing pains of tech aside, I am glad adat as a format persisted, allowing easy syncing of devices in recent years from many different brands, but being such an old standard, is relatively cheap to implement. I actually don't run adat anymore in my mix rig, I am actually daisy chaining 4 motu interfaces over firewire. Until I can afford a thunderbolt setup with 32I/O with room to expand, I will stick with my motus. I use a motu with adat expansion for my mobile rig still however(usb on that one though, not firewire) 40x48 I/O for under $600 USD in 2022? IT IS POSSIBLE! Rocking an AMR board I just recommissioned and tuned up.

[@stevelestermusic]

Interesting, my 4ADATS worked perfectly with a BRC

[@PresentDayProduction]

No “error 7”? You lucky man!

[@SaintThomas13]

Wow, THE ADATS I HAVE ARR 20 YEAR OLD TAPES I GOT FROM A FRIEND AFTER BUYING A MACKIE 24.8 BUS AND THREE ADAT MACHINES... 😮 I HAVE NO PROBLEMS AT ALL WITH ANY OF THEM

[@PresentDayProduction]

WELL YOU’RE THE LUCKY ONE! KEEP ON USING THEM IF THEY WORK FOR YOU!

[@RecordingStudio9]

How interesting that my first multitrack back in 1989 was the Yamaha MT3X that I still own, same with the Alesis 3630, again still sitting in my home studio, alongside my Yamaha GC2020. Link to my video using the MT3X to re-mix a demo song kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3u8g5mKqsiWaKc.

[@PresentDayProduction]

Thanks, I’ll check that video out! Be good to see a MT3X in action again!

[@ruby2thursday]

do you prefer TDAT?

[@Nord72]

" Latest and greatest Pro Tools " ehm...You didnt mentioned the Top One, Paris II from Ensoniq.

[@paulmix3858]

My first home studio in late seventies was two Salora NS-1000 cassette decks, Yamaha 2ch mic mixer with short reverb spring, Kastam Echo Chamber tape echo, Ibanez graphic eq plus some guitar gear, compressor, flanger etc. After all decades gone by with "real" studios, mixers, synths, guitars, DAWs, plugins, I still miss my simple studio setup.

[@albertmihaiteanu]

Please do not smash any mic to the floor, trust this guy, they are durable alright.

[@brotharobmusic]

I have 2 of those bastard my dad gave to me. I don't used them at all lol

[@petefaders]

ADATS were HELL!!!!!!!

[@AdenThie]

What was your first hammond??

[@PresentDayProduction]

A C3 (which I still own) with a Leslie 147

[@AdenThie]

@@PresentDayProduction Awesome! I recently got my first hammond here in Australia... A Leslie is proving difficult to come by.

[@alumenyame8351]

He's wearing "don't hate" on his shirt.

[@brucekeen8925]

I switched from adat to madi on lynx interfaces and the sound changed substantially. No idea how that happened. Adat sucks

[@jameshodson3450]

OK so ADAT recorders were shit but what do you actually think is wrong with ADAT optical connectors on audio interfaces? they have always worked perfectly for me

[@PresentDayProduction]

They haven’t for me… so I hate them 🤣 and losing half the tracks if a project comes in at 96khz…

[@jameshodson3450]

@@PresentDayProduction ah but as we all know 96k is a waste of time ;) so not really a problem for those of us who record in 48... what's the alternative?

[@infindebula]

that was going to be my question too ... the 8-channel lightpipe has been flawless for me as well, and there is no real alternative AFAIK for multichannel optical audio connections.

[@bobsbits5357]

hi am a cat lover note to all ADAT they have to be service lot this is the only thing i started to buy juck decks in over time and i have the space once i have fix them you are very right about otari tape deck my otari mx 80 has one thing bad can't be fixed rest is working ok just pinch roller power a big power IC went bad i still have that tascam trs 8 the teac 80- are better decks tascam 38 are allways need a service i have 6 of them 4 purr like my cat i lost a otari 5050 mk II bad caps went up in a smoke job i am a tec i missed the caps how i just don't know note having alot of audio gear things easy get missed out get a check list so i have to do checks all the time YES RS is juck decks they can't take the hrs one last thing the best well made recording deck are BETACAM SP they are tanks i have alot still working still sound ace

[@nkozi]

Adat as a tape format is terrible buuuut as an audio bridging technology it's actually very, very good.

[@UltraCodex66]

I am actually interested in getting a better interface with an adat connection since I could have a 16x16 setup unlike my current 14x4, which is just so God damn limiting

[@sssncodesstuff3364]

So you hate adat because of something that has very little to do with adat?:) Zero issues with my RME Digiface and SSL alphalink, pretty good value for money if you consider todays alphalink 2nd hand price.

[@almightytreegod]

First?

[@1337murk]

Nearly

[@almightytreegod]

Damn

[@matovrecords115]

You made me laugh... I use ''studio 192'' coupled with 18i20 3rd gen and an 03d using adat expanding it to 24ch NO PROBLEMS THERE. Watching your video on why you hate adat, and you were like ''I hate it just because (it was expensive) meanwhile check out this good gear'' WHAT is your problem with adat? Is it working - yes, Is it used today in many new interfaces - yes... I guess you are just another regular everyday hater hating random things. Change my mind!

[@PresentDayProduction]

I don’t need to change your mind, use your own experience! But I’m not changing mine 🤣