The Best ELR Cartridge???

[@Greyzonecompliant]

I got inspired to extend my 22lr shooting.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@galamonkey]

If you “only” have a mile or two. Here in my area I can’t find a range past 300 yards.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Well you have work with what you have and that's still ELR for a 22lr, cheers

[@jonathanrogers9961]

@Truthisstrangerthan Fiction i have a 2hr drive to get to 500

[@laszlovandor4770]

You are the absolute BEST I have ever seen in your field ! Thank you !

[@walterwjr947]

Shrink the targets. Make the bullseye the size of your caliber. My dad and I would strike matches with 22's. Just a thought.

[@n6mz]

Really love Sam's giggle. And all the rest of your content also. Keep up the work.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@johnblythe8229]

Glad you nailed it in saying no one particular round for extreme long range. Myself I do lean toward the 7mm Ultra but it’s also a barrel roaster 🔥 generally speaking. Have examined a few a few barrels with a bore scope and interesting to watch the spider cracking and barrel erosion. Keep doing the stuff you do... We all enjoy living vicariously through you two. By the way, several in Georgia, USA have indicated they want to purchase an adjustable rear bag rest. If sales come through pls know I’m preaching your concepts. Still wanting to purchase a 4 port muzzle break for me 338 Lapua Mag

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks John, glad you liked and thank for all your support, sure helps, all the very best to you and yours from both of us, Cheers

[@nunayobusiness3384]

You need to come to America and shoot King of 2 mile. I watch these guys with 50 calls that look like they are over 5’ long and weigh 40 pounds and shoot at a target that is 6’x6’ and if they catch an edge you would think they have accomplished the impossible. Mate you are king of things that simply amaze me personally.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@daleguthormsen8555]

thank you for a great conversation. even a 22 at 500 yards falls in there. and, one could afford to shoot lots!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yep, and loads of fun too, Cheers

[@rkba4923]

I love shooting liter bottles at 500 with my 22-250s. It's great practice for the Prairie Dog towns.

[@NPCSN]

Recently found your channel (again) lol made sure to subscribe this time. I appreciate your pragmatic and realistic views on things. No ego, just logic and good shooting. Cheers.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@drmjruff]

I really enjoy your commentary. I appreciate that rather than giving an opinion about this is the best cartridge or this is the best rifle setup, you present ideas and concepts for the viewer to use. I know you don't consider your self an "expert," but, you teach extremely well. Thanks for the open ended ideas instead of closed minded facts.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Michael, Cheers

[@hariegodden3006]

@@markandsamafterwork hear hear to you both

[@aaronbeaulieu6086]

Would be awesome to see ultra sub moa at 1760 yards. The infamous 1 mile shot, ultra sub moa project would be a great series to for you and Sam to do. Most of us wil never even get to attempt a shot at 3500 yard and beyond. I would define ultra sub as 1/3 moa or less. Consistently getting 6 inch groups at 1760 yards and then going into what is needed to do it. I hope you guys will consider doing some kind of project in this category. I truly believe it would be a huge series you guys can do. I also think there are so many people that have the opportunity to shoot at 1760 yards, and with that I also believe that the now infamous 1 mile shot is what most people believe to be the benchmark of long distance precision rifle. Thank you for the great content and I look forward to seeing episode 1 of the infamous 1 mile shot, ultra sub moa project.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Aaron, groups at those distances depend more on conditions than equipment and shooter, you need very stable conditions, because you can not have wind readings over the range that are affective, the bullet simply travels too high over shot to be able to use flags. Here is a video of us with a factory rifle and Sam ends up with mostly the right conditions at almost a mile, kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYTPl3qFZsyaqsk Cheers

[@aaronbeaulieu6086]

Hi Mark, thanks for the video link. I had seen that video when it came out, but I watched it again and Sam was consistently hitting what appears to be 1/2 to 3/4 moa. Great shooting Sam. Also, I think it would be awesome for you guys to do another ELR and Precision rifles from around the world video. Thanks again for the content. Aaron, Chandler, AZ, USA

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

Great that she gets so happy when you get a hit. Cool lady

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@walterlarsen4368]

Thrilled with this professional and well done channel. Thank you!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks man, Cheers

[@Leverguns50]

Super interesting video, for me I was happy to get a 9 inch group at 730 yards with a 1886 lever action in 50-110 with the 500 grain cast Lee bullet at 1400 fps with Creemore sights like The one on the sharps rifle in Quigley down under

[@markandsamafterwork]

Great shooting, Cheers

[@rationalmind6362]

I watch your videos, another great channel for firearms enthusiasts. I've been an avid hunter and firearms collector for 40 years now. I have learned more about shooting itself in the last few years than all the previous through channels like yours, Mark and Sam, TiborasaurusRex ( sniper 101 series ) , I could go on and on. To be short , I and so many other firearms and sporting enthusiasts are extremely grateful for everything all of you share with us. Thank you all.

[@Marcusb338]

Hi mark nice vid. What FPS SD do you usually aim for in your hand loads and how many shots do you take to measure it? I’m getting a tikka t3x superlite in 7mm rem mag for mainly stalking but also want to take it out to 750m if I need to in a hunting application. I know the barrel is super skinny so I don’t plan to sit there and have 10 shots. Is a 15SD good enough for that? I haven’t started loading yet but my .270 win was averaging a 12-20SD for the handloads I made for it

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi John, i don't measure speed or check sd's on most loading, I make sure I get consistent elevation on my ELR, so sorry not the one to ask, Cheers

[@wowguy3562]

Your comment on smaller calibers not giving as good feedback is spot on, I like shooting 22lr myself as my best so far has been 600 yards, so pretty much subsonic from the moment it leaves the barrel. Great point that larger calibers may show bigger splash and dust in the air which helps getting on target. I am always learning watching your videos, I may need a Charlie for my longer shots

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man, thanks

[@gavinrobinson8925]

If your shots are just above the speed of sound when they leave the barrel, it might be a good idea that they are subsonic from the barrel, to avoid the transonic funkiness.

[@MrCdrant]

The best is the one you've invested time into to learn and can afford to shoot. Going to make a much better distance shooter if you get out every weekend to sling dozens of 30 cal rounds than if you save up for a .50 and can barely afford to feed it, or worse, never actually stretch its legs far enough to learn how to shoot at its further capabilities and actually learn wind.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yes that can work for sure, and yes you have learn lots about wind, but you have do that for all, even the biggest, Cheers and all the best.

[@MrCdrant]

@@markandsamafterwork My point was a lot of people misconstrue what ELR shooting is, and few actually do it. They go out and buy a .50, shoot it within a mile and call themselves ELR shooters despite the ballistics of the huge bullet taking all the skill out of it. Happy shooting guys.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yep, Cheers

[@benmiddleton3184]

If you’re interested in a 7mm cartridge that shoots a 195gn @ 3000fps, check out the 7mm-300. It takes a 300wm case and necks it down to 7mm. I think it pushes a 180gn Berger @ 3150fps with a 26” Barrel.

[@markandsamafterwork]

The 7mm practical is an great round, but looking a long way past that, try 3600 or 3700 with the 195's, Cheers

[@TerraAvstralis]

Here in South Australia (Adelaide), a range that opens everyday is usually 300m max, we do have a range that goes 500m but they only open on 2 weekend each month, if it rains then back to 300m again, 22LR is really the best fun for buck you could get here

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@revolutionarygentleman8105]

One can never go wrong with a 22LR. Great for any age or skill level.

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

Just discovered your channel. This video was really informative. Thanks.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Glad you like, Cheers

[@loveterrortattoo7867]

Mark and Sam - first off , I love your teamwork! So thank you for sharing your videos ! I really appreciate watching other people do what I enjoy doing with rifles. Going waaaaaaayyyy outside the standard “effective range” of a cartridge and running the numbers and having a blast while doing it ! Now that I’m moving up in the world (caliber) . I was hoping you can answer me this - at what range is your typical zero when you set up your rifle before you run it out to past 2000 yards ? Do you do something as simple as 100 yard zero so the math going up is predictable and the velocity and drop is still close to what it was at the muzzle ? Or do you run it at 300-600 for the initial zero ? Thank you and I wish you and your wife a happy and successful 2020 ! -Taren

[@markandsamafterwork]

always a 100 yard zero, lots more videos here with info like that, Cheers

[@loveterrortattoo7867]

MarkandSam AfterWork I really appreciate your response and how quickly you were able to. Thank you ! Been binge watching your videos since I left that comment :). My wife thinks you two are adorable and wants me to teach her how to shoot now :). Thank you .

[@markandsamafterwork]

@@loveterrortattoo7867 Awesome, Cheers

[@aaronbuckmaster7063]

That was a great shot. About 12 second flight times give or take. That loop is still amazing to me. You guys are making those shots with relatively light rifles. Our rifles weigh 60 pounds and use highly customized machine rests. Has anyone been “eccentric” enough to play with any old or modern 20 mm cartridges. If SKS industries are still in buisness, they could make a shorter case like the JDJ. JGS would make me the reamers. Maybe later.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Aaron, well at some point it is called light artillery, and the guy's in uniform have a way bigger budget and do that stuff way better than any rifleman, but then again, each to his own, Cheers and all the best.

[@redcelltraininggroup1308]

Another great perspective on ELR! This is why I mostly shoot .223/5.56 in my area: if I only have 1400yds MAX then why waste the powder pushing a bigger pill? The concept of shooting that far with a .223 is no different than shooting 4k with a .338. And what you learn by shooting beyond your caliber's reasonable expectations is transferable to the bigger guns/shots--if you ever get that chance. I encourage my students to start with a .223 or .308 because you can learn these same lessons without taking out a second mortgage or selling your child's kidney.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, glad you liked, Cheers

[@andrewbarbara5737]

Hi Mark and Sam, great video and very informative as always, I’m currently looking at a couple of rifles chambered in 338 lapua magnum, I’m doing some research for various equipments to go along with it, I have a question seeing as you use this cartridge in your Sako TRG, what dies do you use for case prep when reloading? more specifically, brand? Part number for a set would be extra handy, there’s a few out there, but I’m finding mixed reviews on most of them, you don’t lead people up the garden path and I trust your view on these things, Cheers from Melbourne

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Andrew, well I don't try to advise like that, my kit was put together over the years, started with RCBS and then some extra Redding dies and now a Forsters straight line bullet seater, all does it's job, all different jobs, but really more about working out what work for you and your rig, Cheers and all the best.

[@H43339]

I would buy a custom built or AI rifle. If you can afford it or Buy a Savage.

[@erinattwood6299]

I love the thought of you guys developing a wildcat cartridge in 7mm at 3-4k FPS!!! I'd re mortgage my house to buy rifle in "7mm 4AW express" 😉👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

👍🤣

[@yashar350]

nice video ,i have question what is that device you put front of scope lense?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Charlie Tarac, an elevation adder for the scope, helps shoot to Ultra long range, Cheers

[@typhoon-7]

I have a .300 WinMag Ruger Precision which is a handy long range tool for sure. But to illustrate your point: I still think the hardest shot I ever made was hitting a coke can at 100 yards on a windy day with a .22 Weihrauch HW80 air rifle. That felt like a real achievement!!!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yep, Cheers

[@sendit6011]

I’m so glad I watched this. I’m going to stick with my .224 and work the piss out of it.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@NPCSN]

.224 Valkyrie? If so how do you like it. I’ve heard good things.

[@FNU_SNU]

Hello Mark, I really enjoy your videos. Lots to learn. I am contemplating my next rifle build for quite some time now and would love to read your thoughts on it. I have a 2.400m range nearby (lucky me) and want to have a rifle build to reach farther than with my .300 Win Mag. The calibers in question are .300 Norma Mag and .338 Lapua Mag, both rifles otherwise being quite similar in weight and suppressed. I am currently leaning towards the .338 Lapua Mag because as far as I read up on it it would be affected less by wind and distances are known. I would love to read your oppinion on it. Thanks!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Well simple bit there is a 300nm is really no improvement to a 300wm, so the .338lm would be your step up, Cheers

[@FNU_SNU]

@@markandsamafterwork Thanks!

[@zsoltczibula5722]

MarkandSam AfterWork Honest and clean input again Mark, thank You!

[@charlesmckinley29]

So take the rife you have and learn to get the most out of it. The marketing guys must really hate you. 😂. Great video.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers

[@charlesmckinley29]

MarkandSam AfterWork I’m dusting off my .243 Win. to out shoot my friend and his new .300 Win Mag. 😈

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@davidorpwood8433]

mates got a 7mm .300RUM .WORKS REAL GOOD

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@shagmesilly78]

Excuse my novice question here, but what is that device you have in front of your scope @5:40? I've seen you mount it on several videos, but not all. Cheers!

[@markandsamafterwork]

A, Charlie Tarac

[@shagmesilly78]

@@markandsamafterwork Thank you.

[@ericb.4358]

For LR hunting here in Nevada I chose 6.5 PRC in 143 gr. Hornady Precision Hunter (ELD-X) cartridges. VERY accurate in my Browning X-bolt Pro rifle. Great on 1,100 yard steel at my range in Boulder City, NV but only for the 1st three shots, until the skinny barrel heats up. But hey, It's a hunting rifle and I should not need more than 3 shots on big game.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@JacobTerherst]

At what distances can you expect a Hornady ELD Match 147gr. 6.5 creedmoor to go subsonic with a 2685fps at exit? I'm sure this is not an easy question with lots of variables.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Get yourself a ballistic app, if you shoot medium to long you should have and know how to use, Cheers

[@JacobTerherst]

@@markandsamafterwork I use the Hornady Ballistics Calculator with pretty good results at s max of 1100 yards but I have not seen where it would give you a info like that. Which ballistic calculator do you use? Maybe a video on ballistic calculators would be a good topic.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Strelok, Balistics AE, actually lots of good choices, any "good" and actually most ballistic apps will show bullet speed to distance, Cheers

[@billj503]

should I buy a 300win vs 7mm rem mag? opinions? looking at a lefthand tikka t3x superlite for coyote /deer/elk in open hilly countryin eastern oregon usa

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Bill, maybe someone here can help, not something I can help with, Cheers

[@billj503]

300win vs 7mm rem mag? opinion?

[@markandsamafterwork]

I have both, I like both, both great, Cheers

[@koutz1987]

both are great but I love the 300 win mag. I have a rem 700 in 300win. loading 180 grain bullets at 3200fps nosler accubond has been a great long range hunting round for me. shot deer from ranges between 100-600 yards. got one elk at 650 (lucky heart shot, since I aimed at head lol)

[@troopcom]

I think a 6.5x55 Ackley Improved would be a great cartridge without being a barrel burner.

[@markandsamafterwork]

cheers

[@billpeirce7127]

Now the 28 nosler is king along with the 30 nosler. 28 Nosler is still the 7mm bullet. 😁👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@maddog2557]

I like the inverted "gun pit" so you can aim at the sun.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@davidjensen2411]

264-300 Weatherby Magnum?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yeh, that is one of the rounds that trying but not quite the level of what I'm thinking, but thanks for the suggestion, Cheers

[@chrischiampo7647]

So My Take Is .50BMG Would Be The Best Universal ELR Rifle Caliber For 2Mile Shooting Because of The Ballistic Coefficient of The .50 BMG 😮🙂

[@markandsamafterwork]

Well......nope, not even close, lol....sorry, will explain, Cheers

[@DominicPaz]

Long skinny bullets have much better ballistics for long range shots. 50 BMG is actually kind of tubby for long range because it's designed to obliterate hard targets, not to be accurate. The 416 Barrett is a more refined caliber based on the 50 BMG case. Passed 800 yards it carries more energy, and remains super sonic all the way passed 1 mile. I think that would be my choice if I just wanted to buy the longest distance mark I could. His whole point is that ELR is all about consistency and shooting passed the point your bullet becomes transonic though, so it's kind of beside the point.

[@michaelbrowne3705]

22 eley @600 is similar to 308 @1500. It is very fun.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yes, very fun, for sure, Cheers

[@jonathonimpey5938]

I’m making do with what I’ve got..... turning my Sako M995 .270 into a tac driver at 500m! Have a laugh and learn something!!!!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@robriste]

is there an ideal body weight(human kg's) vs recoil kick, calculation?

[@markandsamafterwork]

When depend on lots of details but beyond that there would be a basic rule of thumb, but no equation I know of, Cheers

[@satched]

@Viscous Shear build a heavy rifle and a good muzzle brake will tame most bigger calibers right down. My son at 10 was shooting my 7mm rem mag

[@ShooterMcgavin6]

In the army we shot 300 meters with the 5.56...... The wind would blow that cartridge all over the place I couldn’t imagine shooting a mile

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@alaska1andy959]

What app do you use for measuring distance?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Virtual Measuring Tape and that's 1000 times I have answered that question...….. Cheers

[@alaska1andy959]

Thanks and Sorry.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers and all the best

[@Longshothawk]

Sounds like you're looking at necking down a 300 norma mag to a 7mm for those kinds of velocities.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Been done and similar result to the 7mm/300 (7mm practical) and not at the level that's needed for what I'm thinking, but still great rounds, Cheers

[@Abeene]

That tops out at 3200 westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/ He’d need something like a shortened cheytac, probably a 338 enabler necked down to 7mm. Its going to be massively inefficient on powder charge and a super long barrel to get to the 3800fps he wants. I wonder if a 195 will survive that launch, I’d look at the 151 warners at 4k+. You can go with a necked down 33xc, but that doesn’t fit with his short fat testing (6.5 saum v 6.5-06). I’m pretty happy with the 7 saum (184s@2920) and focusing on low velocity spreads.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yes as said, not necessarily a do-able thing, just a thought at the moment, and I really like the 6.5 SAUM, Cheers

[@Abeene]

@@markandsamafterwork Paper says hit percentages going up as you increase the case volume, with B/C of heavier bullets more than offsetting velocity of lighter bullets. I get that from an enjoyable day shooting, a smaller caliber will give you potentially more enjoyment and opportunity to test your abilities. I much prefer shooting a 20+ round f-class strings from my 6xc than a 300 win mag. But, from an actual hit percentage (or group size), has your testing shown the reduced recoil to mean increased hit percentage at a certain point? E.g., do you have a smaller group at 2500 yards with the 6.5 saum vs your 375 Gibbs? I'm wrestling with this question as I decide to shift into 338AI or continue working with short action magnums.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Well you already know the answer, you can group better with less effort behind your 6xc than with your 300wm, that is not that the 300 is less accurate, it just moves you move, so takes more effort to group well, we, the shooter have more influence than we might think. That said, getting good at dealing with hard hitters can sometimes make you even better at shooting the nicer ones, as always, all in the details, Cheers

[@briankerr4512]

I think I have the gun ... a Swedish Mouser shoots nice groups but 13" high at 100 m ...

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers

[@tillb.7139]

I have the same problem with my 1909 Argentine Mauser. But that's because the open sights start at 300 Meters.

[@paulhoffman1481]

hi Mark, ever think of shortening a 50 bmg and necking it to 375? should be more efficient than cheytac and faster if it's possible to do. might make that 5000 shot easier. Also I'm building a 6.5 saum and I'm wondering which mdt chassis is your favorite, the mdt acc, ess, or lss gen 2 xl, and also I was wondering how much lighter the lss is than the ess. Thanks and happy Easter!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Paul, not sure if you got the gist of what I was trying to put forward, less whack makes easier shooting.... and yes that round is being developed as we speak (not me). As for the MDT chassis's all good, and weights are listed on there site, but I don't make recommendations, sorry, Cheers.

[@patricstephens9682]

Wondering the same 50bmg necked down to 375

[@eaglesauce4095]

Why not just use the .416 ?

[@me2ontube]

have you reviewed a victrix and if not can you please do so

[@markandsamafterwork]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqeofKGdZdSImq8

[@flyingjeff1984]

Heavy artillery takes rotation of the Earth into account. Is that an issue for ELR?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yes

[@zgennaro]

My 2 cents for most peoples' range and budget limitations is a 243 or 6 Creedmoor in a 24-26" heavy barrel with a 1-7 or 1:8 twist. 6mm bullets in 105-115 grains are capable of terrific accuracy out to 1200 yards and ELR fun out to a mile or more, all with little recoil. If you have a lot of $ or a range longer than a mile then you are lucky and the sky is the limit!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@Michael_Mears]

Watching this for a second time...

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@micktaylor1356]

Hi mate have you ever tested a .308 155gr Palma match round in 1in12 barrel

[@markandsamafterwork]

Yeh shot a little bit, good 800 to 1000 yard round, Cheers

[@micktaylor1356]

@@markandsamafterwork oh ok I only shoot to 800 but I just wondered how they compare to heavier rounds in a 1 in 12. Thanks

[@markandsamafterwork]

As in all things, depends on the details, and you can only try to see what works for your deal, Cheers

[@paulking8055]

Hey, I'm back to the channel from a long break......Man you have lost some weight......All part of the plan I hope.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, well great your back, as for me, was 99kg (218lbs) starting eating more protein (less carbs) now 96kg's (212lb's) so yeh all on a plan, sort of, Cheers and all the best.

[@joecizin9357]

The Best ELR Cartridge in a rifle under 13lbs ? ?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Joe, good weight for a dressed hunting rifle... well I should say, a bit light for my ELR taste, Cheers and all the best

[@nicktattoliable]

28 nosler

[@lrlapua8035]

416 Barrett

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@lisamangles4878]

Absolutely 416

[@ChicagoHOG27]

Either the .408 or .416

[@madjacks86]

shoot an old mauser 7x57 and a cz 455 22 lr on 100 m greetings from the Netherlands

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@lanemerrill]

farthest i can shoot with my 22 is 300 yards. and thats maxing out my scope adjustments

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@NPCSN]

They do make rails that are angled to add MOA or MILS “to your scope” essentially. I’m sure you could find one that you could mount up to give you some more elevation.

[@eaglesauce4095]

14.9mm 👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers

[@yongyea4147]

Someone send mark and sam a Arken 6-24x50 34mm scope

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@Guitarjourney4life]

Mines already mounted on my bergara, just send me over with rifle and scope. FYI my arken passed tall target test after level, and has reliable turret adj up to 523yds but haven’t stretched passed that. I can’t give a real review of glass I’m west Texas after 12x and above because of the 95-100deg days. But for $450 I’m not complaining. I have a 20 moa base, and zeroed at 100yds I still have 89moa up to play with

[@rubenroyer7829]

When can we expect you guys to capture the world record longest shot?😉

[@markandsamafterwork]

Hi Ruben, we like pushing our own limits and learning while we do, as for records, well just not something we aspire to, we'll leave that to those that do, Cheers

[@Jean.34]

I don't know if you heard about the Canadian sniper who killed an ISIS member from 2.2 miles using 50 cal A MAX. I still can't believe it but it is already a confirmed kill from the first shot. from what I have experienced, the 50 cal become unpredictable after it goes subsonic and for the marksman to hit from 2.2 Miles, it would need like 3 to 10 shots depending on many factors. On the other hand, I never tested 416 Barett or Chaytac but both of them claim to have better stability on long ranges far beyond what 50 cal can do. Chaytac claims that with one cold bore shot, you will be able to hit the target. While Barrett claims that cheytac requires a special computer to really give you the precise calculations of elevation and winds while their 416 Barretts can be easily calculated by any ballistic software accurately which makes it the best ELR bullet ever. While both claims to be the best, you see the longest 3 confirmed kills were all done by 50 cal. it makes me so confused to figure out if I should stick to 50 cal for ELR or to try also the 416 Barrett and Cheytac. what about if I have to pick one of them ( either Barrett or Cheytac ) which should be the best choice to pick? A question that I am struggling in finding an answer for.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Well, simple thing is claims and facts are not always the same, hitting something on the first round once is great but doesn't prove accuracy, certainly the 50bmg and the Amax are just not that accurate, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen, sometimes lucky it better than good, or to put it another way, a broken clock it still spot on twice a day. Beyond that I haven't used the 416 yet, I plan to later this year, I will make my call then, Cheers

[@Jean.34]

@@markandsamafterwork will definitely be looking forward to that. Thank you so much for all the great efforts 👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@justaregularguy3827]

Use Alco bullets

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@wolverinekut]

👍👏👏

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@Theredeemedchild2]

408 cheytac

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Yum.

[@خدابخشجهانتیغ-ج5ص]

😍😍😍😍🦃🦃🦃🦃👁👁💪

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers