STOP BUYING CAMERA GEAR to Improve Your Landscape Photos!

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In this week’s episode, we discuss how buying new camera gear will not improve your landscape photography, but investing in yourself will. A common misconception is that purchasing and upgrading your camera gear will somehow improve your landscape photography and that’s simply just not true. If you were to take the money you were going to spend on new camera gear and invested it in yourself, I’d guarantee you that you’d achieve a substantially higher long term return on your investment than any piece of camera gear could ever achieve for you.
In this video, I discuss three ways to invest the money you have allocated towards the purchase of new camera gear that will actually make you a much better photographer. Not only will the proposed investment methods in this video provide you with a greater level of knowledge in the area of photography you’re looking to improve upon, but also provide you with on-location experience along with a lifetime of memories.
Investing in yourself is one of the most powerful ways a person can improve their skill set towards something. I hope this week’s video provides you with a different thought track when it comes to the purchase of new camera equipment that will have you questioning your buying decision before you rush out and purchase that latest camera body or new lens.
If you enjoyed this video, please consider giving it a thumbs up and let me know what you think in the comments below - I guarantee I'll get back to ya.
Thanks for watching everyone!
-Mark D.
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@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Curious to hear your thoughts on this topic!
@gapikralj
@gapikralj 4 жыл бұрын
I love it
@timelord2222
@timelord2222 4 жыл бұрын
My thoughts? I'm afraid it can't be helped. The sheer amount of forum posts, KZbin videos and paid trolls pushing agenda (yes, they DO exist) is beyond repair. My advice? STOP reading forums, STOP following KZbin channels that solely focus on gear, and START putting more time in the field. Landscape photographer channels are the best choice, since they are the ones who talk about gear the least (Heaton comes to mind).
@gnanasekarananandan5944
@gnanasekarananandan5944 4 жыл бұрын
Using Basic DSLR, I thought some time my Passion photographer using high end gear but we are using Basic gear so is it going impact our learning? Started to practice my basic gear with kit lenses, I am wrong, I can produce more from my basic gear what I love and i could I deliver a good image.Your message is really appreciated, Practice Practice Practice This is a real Thing also familier with your gear and need to understand what your gear can really produce, this is my Thought dear master. And Thanks for this good message.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
@@gapikralj Thanks so much!
@RiccardoPareschi
@RiccardoPareschi 4 жыл бұрын
Oh! This video just arrive after the purchase 😁 Seriously, you're right, more studying and less gear, but after six year of study with my Canon 70D and EF-S lenses, moving to a Canon full frame with a L series lenses is a big step, and I'm really happy. I love Canon gear, maybe not the best but I love it. Thanks for share your thoughts.
@jeffreyhawker9042
@jeffreyhawker9042 4 жыл бұрын
How to separate the wheat from the chaff? I've actually invested in a number of courses (Jimmy Chin) and books (Scott Kelby, Bryan Peterson). Some of the courses are a complete waste, they are good photographers, but not teachers, the courses are all over the place (lack structure) and tend to be expensive. You can get a lot of the same info on youtube, but you have to search and have an element of luck. Books are more structured, having gone through the editorial process, have teaching points and a margin to place notes and ideas. I think at the end of the day, shoot, practicing what you have learnt, analyze you photos critically, and shoot some more, striving to improve. Look at lots of pictures critically, why is it that you like a particular photo? Some things are naturally photogenic (The Watchman at Zion National Park), some things are pretty, but just not photogenic. Like anything, you have to master your skill, and in this case a large part of that is your equipment. Some equipment is vital to achieve your end goals, I can blur the background with f 1.8, I can't with the stock 5.6 lens that came with the camera. But for most of us, it's not the equipment that limits our photography, it's our mastery of it, our eye for composition and the final product (post-processing), which is exactly what you are saying.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome comment Jeffrey! Very well said!
@CarolyneMacMillan
@CarolyneMacMillan 4 жыл бұрын
I just read your comment and the blurred background at f1.8 but not at f5.6 part stuck out to me. I don't know if you follow Gary Gough but he posted a very interesting video a couple of days ago which might help you get your blurred background at f5.6 or even f16. I'll leave you the link. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4qmnImcp6hpfc0
@erichstocker4173
@erichstocker4173 4 жыл бұрын
Obviously the camera manufacturers are partly responsible for some people's belief that new equipment makes better photos. But youtubers are also responsible when they have topics like Sony kills Canon and Nikon. Or "Has the newest Canon DLSR shown that Sony has fallen behind". These things tend to make people doubt their equipment. Your presentation is clearly on track. Do photography rather than do equipment. I certainly advocate this. I think the lesson and travel are great recommendations.
@TheMoodyPhotographer
@TheMoodyPhotographer 4 жыл бұрын
ABSOLUTELY
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Well said Erich!
@sgpork
@sgpork 4 жыл бұрын
People ... Especially new people who is getting into photography need to know n understand those ads video n awesome pic posted online or on magainze are usually all edited. People tend to believe or take it as " if i got the same gear. I could get the same kind of images" n that alone is a huge.. Huge mistake. Thats the problem. ... But its not the company or photographer fault tho. See where im coming from?.. Haha
@zaf9834
@zaf9834 4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you...
@ralfjansen9118
@ralfjansen9118 4 жыл бұрын
Most (big) KZbinrs ARE paid / sponsored salesmen of the industry so I would not separate them.
@joelwolski
@joelwolski 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, to a point. When I upgraded from my 12 year old camera, my images instantly improved. The newer features alone made it possible to get images that I wouldn't have been able to before. Things like live view and an articulated screen meant more varied images and more often in focus. Upgrading from my also 12 year old kit lens that was soft at any focal length/aperture also instantly improved the image quality of my photos. Of course I'm talking about upgrading "old" equipment not just moving up the newest version of whatever you've been shooting with. I think if I'm disappointed with the quality of the images coming out of your camera, the last thing I should do is spend $2000 going somewhere and get photos that I'll be disappointed with. First, I need to find out what's causing my disappointment. Is it the gear that just can't handle what I'm are trying to do with it? Maybe it's my technique in the field or in post that isn't achieving the result I'm expecting. Or maybe my expectations are too high and that $2000 is best spent on some counseling to help adjust my perception of reality. Like I said, I mostly agree. ;~)
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Joel Wolski Thanks for watching the video and for the comment Joel!
@stevebennettphotography
@stevebennettphotography 4 жыл бұрын
What a nightmare, thanks Mark🙄 my wife overheard the stop buying camera gear part but didn’t stick around long enough for the alternatives 😆.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Hahah! My bad my man!
@colliescameraaction8944
@colliescameraaction8944 4 жыл бұрын
I sympathize. I use headphones when watching KZbin videos where gear is being discussed 😂
@philn1957
@philn1957 4 жыл бұрын
Travel, travel, travel can't beat it. I've not upgraded my camera, not jumped on the mirrorless bandwagon but have invested in good secondhand lenses, my priority is workshops and travel.
@TheLordCyberex
@TheLordCyberex 4 жыл бұрын
With my years of experience, I know everything that you told and absolutely agree with you. Old FF camera can shoot same picture like new camera, but without traveling your mind and portfolio will be suffer.
@tv-ke4lx
@tv-ke4lx 4 жыл бұрын
Great honest advice Most people dont realize that lots of the photogs rep brands and tell you that you need to upgrade Trips and classes are the beat way to learn and get better
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
troy sauer THanks Troy - great to hear you enjoyed the video!
@erikhy
@erikhy 4 жыл бұрын
Another bit of advice is to get out of your rut. I just ran across a set of videos on Boudoir Photography, which offered really interesting tips on posing models. To get out of your landscape rut, try asking other hikers to pose for you briefly, and use those boudoir poses -- back arched against the wall, hands touching the wall overhead, for example -- and shoot a silhouette of the hiker against a tree in the same pose. Now try it at night silhouetted against the milky way. Something new and fun! There was a very sage comment made by a scientist some decades ago that rarely does anyone invent anything new - the great advances come from combining known things and techniques in new ways. Same for photography. Same for your excitement and growth. If anyone tries milky way landscape boudoir photography, please send me some shots. :-)
@arturkochan4649
@arturkochan4649 4 жыл бұрын
i love u mark. you are such a real person, everything about you feels so normal, nothing faked to make shit looking or sound better. great job
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Love you too!!
@birgitsmetana
@birgitsmetana 4 жыл бұрын
Fully agree with you on that Mark. Trainings and especially workshops and travels improve your photography a lot more than new gear ever could. It’s not necessary to have always the latest and greatest. It’s a lot more important who’s behind the camera. 😍😍😍
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Birgit Smetana Agree Agree Agree! Thanks for watching this week’s video Birgit!
@eildertstrijker9100
@eildertstrijker9100 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your great advice! It will really change my mindset and the way I look at whole photographing thing. Really like your videos.
@lisarobertson7011
@lisarobertson7011 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mark - I am learning so much from your KZbin channel. Another great video!
@MSmith-Photography
@MSmith-Photography 4 жыл бұрын
I wholeheartedly agree that upgrading equipment isn't a necessary next step to improve. Watching KZbin videos and hanging out with other photographers has vastly improved my photography. It was only after that, did I upgrade my camera body and I only did so because I had reached my old camera's limits.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Mike Smith Agreed! If I could do it over again that would be the order in which I went about it.
@Pleasestandby
@Pleasestandby 4 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree with you on this topic Mark. I feel like I've learned more from just traveling to new locations than anything else. Great video as always!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate it - thank you!
@dennishollinghurst7220
@dennishollinghurst7220 4 жыл бұрын
This is the perfect example of why your videos are among the very best photography videos on KZbin. No frills, no marketing or affiliating just plain honest and impartial advice. Thank you.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated Dennis! Thank YOU!
@tonibeltran7420
@tonibeltran7420 4 жыл бұрын
As always, a honest and down to earth video on photography, thank you Mark.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thank YOU Toni!!
@KregSteppe
@KregSteppe 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great message Mark! I have been hung up on equipment before and had this same realization you are delivering here. Bravo.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I’ve been hung up on gear as well and still get hung up on it every time an upgraded version of my current camera is released:)
@jackielarena-lacayo9884
@jackielarena-lacayo9884 4 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% with all 3 of your recommendations! I have done 2 of the 3, travel and a lot of KZbin videos. Eventually I will do an in person workshop too. My photography improves with each visit to the Smoky mountains or anywhere north of Florida. A visual change is so inspiring and it translates into my photos. This was a great video Mark, thanks for keeping it real👍🏻
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Jackie! I think the power of, as you put it “visual change”, is sorely underestimated. Photographing a new location is a powerful thing!
@michaeldavis2818
@michaeldavis2818 4 жыл бұрын
Great advice Mark and I couldn't agree more! I was guilty of camera/lens envy when I first started getting serious about improving my landscape photography and thought that my shots would greatly improve with the latest and greatest gear. How wrong I was and your advice this week is spot on! Thank you for sharing!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video Michael! Appreciate you watching!
@jeffgordon8346
@jeffgordon8346 6 ай бұрын
Everything you just said sounds solid. Thank you, and yes you are one of my go to sites on You Tube for educational advice.
@ksnmurthy4476
@ksnmurthy4476 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, very honest and an inspirational video as usual. Thanks for this valuable advise.👌
@piyus1987
@piyus1987 4 жыл бұрын
This is really helpful. I always had GAS. I have watched few KZbinrs saying some of the stuff you mentioned but this time I'll spend more time in education and travel. Thanks for the video.
@Nature_Wild_And_Free
@Nature_Wild_And_Free 4 жыл бұрын
I have bought new gear and tutorials and went on alot of trips in the US. The Tutorials and trips have been my biggest improvements in Photography. Planning on going on some workshops in 2020. Thanks Mark for more great advice!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Steve Lasley Photography Always happy to do it and Steve and a big thanks to YOU for checking out the video!
@donaldgould1293
@donaldgould1293 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I may not adopt your 3 alternative suggestions, BUT it does focus my mind on the process rather than the equipment. All photographers have suffered from GAS if only in its mildest form. So thank you it has helped me think about the important things.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to do it Donal and happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@jonathanlemay2310
@jonathanlemay2310 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome advice! Thanks Mark hope you have an amazing weekend!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Lemay Thanks Jonathan! You do the same!
@hartsphotography
@hartsphotography 4 жыл бұрын
Some good advice ive completed a few night time college courses and my photography has always improved. The good thing is the more your photography improves then the better placed you are to decide which kit you actually really need to improve you photography or making your picture taking experience easier.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Anthony Very good point Anthony!
@Drsef50
@Drsef50 4 жыл бұрын
Spot on Mark. Someone can go out and buy $2,000 worth of pots and pans but it won't make them a great chef. Practice, practice, practice. Develop an "eye", learn your current gear inside and out, hone your skills and then what gear is required will reveal itself. Dave
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Drsef50 That’s awesome Dave - love the way you put that!
@cthirteenphotography1099
@cthirteenphotography1099 4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more with this one Mark!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thank ya!
@thomasdamore4653
@thomasdamore4653 4 жыл бұрын
Mark, I agree. I am doing an Alaska workshop in March. Using same gear I had when I booked the trip last year. Last few years I travel in New England and shoot areas I am familiar with but have not shot at.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Enjoy your trip to Alaska - sounds fantastic!
@kyleboykin
@kyleboykin 4 жыл бұрын
Different background this week 👀👀 looks great! great content and value as always, Mark!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kyle! Appreciate the feedback man!
@pm1Chh
@pm1Chh 4 жыл бұрын
Agree to that. I must say i dont travel a lot now but i will check some of the turtorials made by you. Thank you.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
You’re the best Brano - thank ya friend!
@SciTeF
@SciTeF 4 жыл бұрын
Great points all of them! I even agree with the tutorials shown in this video as possible purchases! I also believe you have what it takes to film great tutorials yourself. Think about it!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated - thank you! I sell some tutorials already, but not many yet. Here's a link if you'd like to check them out: markdenneyphotography.com/tutorials
@chrisalmerini3284
@chrisalmerini3284 4 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel and have really enjoyed your comments and approach. Hello from NC as well!!! A suggestion to add to the list you just shared- form a small critique group utilizing online conference tools that allow you to exchange ideas on photos...I have found this approach yield growth in new ways that you may not fully understand by yourself... Having a small group see things and offer suggestions really can improve your photography. Our own eyes and feelings often betray us at times- it is a good check on one's vision. Every photo has 2 viewers. Keep the videos coming!!!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Hello fellow NC friend! Yes, small group critiques are another great resource - that’s another great suggestion!
@karlthefirst8690
@karlthefirst8690 4 жыл бұрын
Great advice, Mark. I just finished my first pass through all of Nick Page’s PS courses and they’ve already totally changed my life.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
THanks Karl! Nick’s PS tutorials are fantastic!
@nicolaguy
@nicolaguy 4 жыл бұрын
My best investment was into a workshop. It was only two days long (in a local area), but it was transformational for my photography.
@ilesmic
@ilesmic 4 жыл бұрын
Mark - I do agree for 2 of the 3 options-- I think there is so much free content on KZbin and elsewhere, that buying tutorials, maybe a waste of funds.. Travel and workshops is where I would spend my money. I have attended 2 workshops in the last 15 months and have one for this year and they have been absolutely a great way to learn and have a lot of fun. My only issue is that they seem to sell out so fast. The 2 companies I have gone with, are sold out until 2022. I have traveled a fair amount with my spouse over the last couple of years, but that makes photography hard sometimes.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Iles The best ones do sell out quickly - they sure are fun though!
@amatijaca
@amatijaca 4 жыл бұрын
Sage advice about travel, because around me there is nothing but flat suburbs for hundreds of miles. Very uninspiring for landscape photography.
@PeterLariviere1
@PeterLariviere1 4 жыл бұрын
Great thoughts on this topic. I have recently purchased an astrophotography online course which had be learning a ton of new tricks and more efficient ways of doing things....I'm also 30 days away from a two week trip...ok I also did buy a new lens but i do agree that it is the least important way for me to improve my photography skills.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
PeterLariviere1 Thanks Peter! Enjoy your upcoming trip!
@jamesmonte3165
@jamesmonte3165 4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video Mark
@jaspreetsidhu5708
@jaspreetsidhu5708 4 жыл бұрын
Crop sensor has so many advantages for landscape, due to depth of field and weight, stop upgrading the gear, buy what works for you, and invest in books, or trips that get you outside and shooting. I think more people need to see this kind of video, always chasing the latest and greatest.
@n1k1george
@n1k1george 4 жыл бұрын
Virtually any camera today costing a just a few hundred dollars with a kit lens can take amazing landscape photos - if you know what you are doing. Invest in that "knowing" part and the rest will take care of itself!
@george_KC1TQF
@george_KC1TQF 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mark. This was my promise to myself for 2020, to invest in myself and learning. Some call it a new year resolution. For me resolutions fail, that is why I promised myself.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to do it George! I like your idea of a promise vs a resolution!
@JoshuaBates01
@JoshuaBates01 4 жыл бұрын
You are the Bob Ross of landscape photography! Your videos are super informative & relaxing. Thanks for the tips!
@nilanjanmaity2068
@nilanjanmaity2068 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Mark. It is an absolutely great video and THANK YOU so much for creating this video. I am not an expert, on the contrary I have just started learning. I have invested some money on an entry level camera and always had doubt if that was the right choice I made. After watching this I am happy for my choice now. Thanks again Mark for this and all of your content you produce. I really enjoy your videos and I mean it. Great work!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this comment - I really do appreciate it🙏
@mattnovak5896
@mattnovak5896 4 жыл бұрын
More great advice Mark! 👊🏼
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Matt Novak Thanks Matt!
@electric_meadows_racing
@electric_meadows_racing 4 жыл бұрын
Great advice i havent bought any tutorials but im going to start looking ASAP thanks Mark
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mikey!
@khurramnaik5097
@khurramnaik5097 4 жыл бұрын
Informative n agreed to your point of view. Thanks Rgds
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Khurram Naik Thanks for checking out this weeks video!
@williamcharlesworth4617
@williamcharlesworth4617 4 жыл бұрын
Mark, you are so right. In another profession the times spent at educational, or inspirational, seminars were worth much more than it cost to be there. Also, would meet others there that had solved riddles that plagued me and they would share there secrets with me. Sometimes I brought as much useful information home with me garnered from the attendees as from the main speaker. Those were a double bonus. I wish it were possible for me to attend one of yours. Bet it would be excellent.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks William! It would be great to have the opportunity to meet you in person one day!
@0123nikon
@0123nikon 4 жыл бұрын
ABSOLUTLY agree ,but also let me tell you the mistake that i am including myself in is : no Mather how much videos you watch or books you buy ,if you don’t take time to shoot and practice ,it won’t help a lot ! and one of my dreams is to take a workshop in photography with you Mark i love the way you explain things and make it simple , please keep up the good work
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
marie claude donaldson Thanks so much - I very much appreciate this!
@dasauto5994
@dasauto5994 4 жыл бұрын
with this channel I do not need to invest money. All the lessons and advises are already here) Thank you for the video)
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Das Auto Glad to do it and thank YOU for watching!
@ericklindberg8377
@ericklindberg8377 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Mark. I agree that upgrading a camera isn't how you get better at taking photos. I travel a lot for my business, and unfortunately I don't take my camera out of the back very much when I'm out of town. Currently in sunny Florida working near Miami.. just so tired after a day working I don't feel like anything but having dinner in my hotel room. Lol. Wish I could just motivate myself to go out there. Courses are definitely something I want to start investing in. There's so much I don't know out there. Thanks for the video my friend, see you next week!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean Erick - after a long day it’s tough to get the motivation to go out and shoot - defilement there before! See ya next week buddy!
@janboag8361
@janboag8361 4 жыл бұрын
Good sound advice Mark. 💛
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jan! Very glad you think so.
@martinpickard5818
@martinpickard5818 4 жыл бұрын
I think it depends on what you want to achieve.Gear doesn’t make you better photographer,but in some circumstances it definitely helps.But you’ve hit the nail on the head,gear is just the tip of a massive iceberg in becoming a “photographer “ thanks for the video.👍🏻
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Martin! That's a great way to explain it!
@alanm.6096
@alanm.6096 11 ай бұрын
I remember as a rookie asking a pro if I really needed better equipment. His answer "there's a lot of very expensive equipment out there, making very mediocre compositions. Get some education and commit yourself to practise and you'll see your results improve dramatically...with what you have." That was 6 years ago. And I am still using the same equipment. And happy about it.
@Spartacus1975
@Spartacus1975 4 жыл бұрын
Very well said. Maybe I describe how I deal with this topic. First I see some gear that attracts my attention. Then I lead a conversation with myself, there is a pro- and contra-position. The pro-side has to convince myself that I need a certain gear, in most cases the con-side wins because I can do all I need with the gear I already possess or it´s simply to expensive. But sometimes I can convince myself because my workflow would become faster/easier or I would achieve something in photography I can´t do with my old gear. A good example is a new telephoto lens that allows me to photograph ibexes, eagles and other animals that are quite away (impossible with my old lenses). My advice: Learn to control your gear and practice your photography!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Well said Tom! I go through a very similar internal dialogue with myself each time a new version of my current gear is released!
@chriscockroft6545
@chriscockroft6545 4 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree with regards to upgrading gear. There are occasions when I think new gear can help though, I'm looking to add a proper wide angle lens to my bag (15mm kind of range) for those specific shots where you really accentuate the foreground. So if the gear is going to give you more options with your photography in can be worthwhile. But just upgrading to the latest model of a camera or to full frame just because you think you should is definitely not the way to go, your suggestions are much better ideas.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you watching this weeks video Chris and of course for the comment! Thank ya!
@txpetbb
@txpetbb 4 жыл бұрын
Great advice! However, having recently retired I plan to both upgrade my gear and travel and watch more videos to learn! Keep up the good work.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much and enjoy your retirement!
@PaulthomsonphotographyUk
@PaulthomsonphotographyUk 4 жыл бұрын
Great video again Mark on a great subject I think if you are happy with your camera body there is absolutely no need to change it. The only thing I would possibly invest in is better glass but having said that I have managed to get some of my best images by investing in travel and just making the best out of what I have. thanks, man for all you do😀👍✌
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul - appreciate ya man! I’m a big proponent of “if it’s not broke don’t fix it”👍👍
@ImraanSaeed
@ImraanSaeed 4 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you sir. Invest in yourself first. However I should point out that some of us, workshops aren't very common at our places. Still, I think tutorials can do a great job as well.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Sum Buddy Indeed! Tutorials whether they’re free or paid are a great resource.
@KoCTaMaD
@KoCTaMaD 4 жыл бұрын
Yes Mark, it's so true. Fully agree with you! Thank you for such great advice ;)
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Happy to do it - it’s great to hear you enjoyed the video!
@thomastaylor9237
@thomastaylor9237 4 жыл бұрын
Terrific channel and a great video. Mark, you are so right about the focus on camera gear. Well, I already have the gear! I did purchase two intro to photography courses from The Great Courses. They are fantastic. My biggest issue is both shooting video and post processing both still photos and video. I basically know nothing about either one! Any recommendations? Many thanks, Tom
@alansarpy
@alansarpy 4 жыл бұрын
Love all your videos ... when it comes to gear for my style in landscape I would buy the 16-35 and the 100-400 and that would be all I need
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! That's all I have and it works great for me
@christalsigrid2450
@christalsigrid2450 4 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with all three suggestions! Yes, it is true, you have to have the body and glass to get started, however learning new techniques via a course or workshop and then executing them on a trip by far is the absolute best! Last year I upgraded my camera after 5 years, but this year my focus is on education and travel. Speaking of...Mark, when are YOU hosting a workshop?
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks as always Christal! I’ll be teaching at this years Out of Acadia and Out of Moab events this fall if you’re interested.
@gryzman
@gryzman 4 жыл бұрын
Very good points
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Greg!
@billbell8800
@billbell8800 4 жыл бұрын
So true Mark. I hate it when people look at my pictures and then right away ask what camera do you have?.......
@traceybartlam5940
@traceybartlam5940 4 жыл бұрын
Bill Bell that’s the standard question! I’m a beginner but was asked the same!! I need to learn processing as I have a Canada/Alaska holiday worth of photos and no clue how to improve them 😳
@billbell8800
@billbell8800 4 жыл бұрын
tracey bartlam Tracey, have you heard of ON1 software? It’s the only photography software I use. Very easy to use and has everything you need to process your photos....
@traceybartlam5940
@traceybartlam5940 4 жыл бұрын
Bill Bell not heard of that one. We have basic photoshop so feel I ought to make use of it after purchasing. I’ve noticed people seem to use Lightroom first latel though. I’ve got it downloaded to iPad and phone so if I can get photos on there I can have a play around with images. I need to keep reminding myself that a lot of amazing images are processed and not straight out of the camera too!
@neild108
@neild108 4 жыл бұрын
Mark, a great main point and good suggestions. But from my experience, whether to make gear purchases top priority depends so much on where you are in your growth. I shot with APSC cameras for over three years (Nikon D5200, Sony a6000, Canon 80D, primarily the latter), and shot a lot for an amateur. I really like low-light shooting, including a fair amount of astro. Last summer I acquired a full-frame Canon 6D, and absolutely loved the ability to shoot at high ISO--even in daytime I found it really helpful (eg, when you need substantial depth of field on a cloudy day, along with a fairly fast shutter). Then I moved up to a good used Canon 5D4. I absolutely love it. The files are so much easier to work with. It focuses better. It is wonderfully ergonomic. I am taking better pictures with it. But that's my own peculiar situation. I am blessed to live in an area of abundant natural beauty, so I really don't need to spend much on travel. And I get a lot of good info for free on KZbin. Also, I'm lucky in friendship with a couple of good photographers, who have been informative, either directly or indirectly. Having said all that, you have raised my interest in tutorials and workshops, and now that I've got gear that cuts the mustard for the kind of shooting I most enjoy, I'll start saving for that.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for checking out the video. It’s great to hear you enjoyed it👍
@keithdouglas8707
@keithdouglas8707 4 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear the basics again. If you learn all the basics and use the correct techniques in camera and post processing then you will be a better photographer. In fact I've heard time and time again of people taking woeful photos with a d850 yet people with a d3400 are taking better photos because they took the time to learn the correct techniques.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith! I’ve been that exact person you reference😀
@colliescameraaction8944
@colliescameraaction8944 4 жыл бұрын
This is great advice Mark. Although not the same thing exactly, I haven’t been out shooting since 1st January. Why? Because I’ve been taking the time to read up, watch videos, critically assess my back catalogue, and come up with a list of no more than 10 things i plan to start doing differently. I only took up the hobby serious at the back of 2018 and bought lots of good gear which will stand me well, but ultimately it comes down to technique and approach i.e. skill and you can’t buy that. Practice is one thing, but if you’re practicing the same bad technique or habit over and again it becomes hard to unlearn it. So I’m taking stock at the moment, and saving money on fuel. I see it as an investment in its own right. I have loads of reading material now and videos etc. The next step will be a local workshop - a weekend - or something, when i have the opportunity for someone much more experienced and whose work i admire, to give me pointers and spot things i could do better. That would be far more sensible than resolving the gear question I’ve had in my head for months, which has been: do i get, for astrophotography/Milky way a 14mm prime e.g. the Samyang, or do i stick to my canon 16-35mm f2.8 and work with that in a better way? Love your videos. You present really well and i have trust in you!
@angryanimaldoc
@angryanimaldoc 4 жыл бұрын
Gear can make things easier to do. I just recently got a giant benro tripod, because I'm constantly want more height. Or my camera to be in a higher position. It helps immensely, because it opens up compositions that were just not available before. I also got a new body ( larger sensor) which saves me from having to stitch photos and exposure bracket as much. It also cuts down on the banding I was seeing in some of my photos. I live in Florida and there is just endless places to explore in just an hour radius. So I dont really need to spend money on travel, besides gas I guess. So I would say it depends. For beginners I agree, gear is not going to help, but as you get more advanced gear can really make things easier, and sometimes that's what you need. ... next purchase is a canoe, so I can access more places.
@glitchen
@glitchen 4 жыл бұрын
i needed this
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@rodtheer8141
@rodtheer8141 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent advice!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Rod Theer Much appreciated Rod!
@davidbenitez1263
@davidbenitez1263 4 жыл бұрын
Very true Mark! I've been using my Nikon D7200 and used my money to travel to Grand Canyon, Antelope Canyon, Arches, Horse shoe bend and many more places. As you said I comeback with better images.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks David! Sounds like money well spent if you ask me:)
@barrynoon1812
@barrynoon1812 4 жыл бұрын
Fully agree with your thoughts👍👍
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Barry!
@hoodoo_taco
@hoodoo_taco 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent advice and wording.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
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@BenelliMr
@BenelliMr 4 жыл бұрын
less is more. I significantly improved my photos, when I sold my APSC camera with three zoom lenses, tripod, flash and a huge amount of gear. I got a full frame camera with a 50 mm prime. Back to basics. I then learned again to see. To see around me, to zoom with my feet, to adapt my shooting style to the constraints, but also to the new opportunities. A f 1.8 lens with IBIS opens more opportunities at night than I lost during day time. Now I love my photos again, and when they are great, I feel so proud. Travelling? I learned to walk. In my garden. In the vicinity. In the local park. Just a light camera. I learned to take time. Not to shop for more gear, more filters, more gadgets. Yes, I know: 90% plus will disagree and continue searching on videos for more gear to buy. But my approach worked fine for me and I will continue this strange path. But the most important point: there are thousands of ways to become happy and to enjoy. Search for your individual personal way
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
This is great! Definitely need to find what make you happy and go with that - everyone’s “roadmap” looks a bit different:)
@jlaughlin1973
@jlaughlin1973 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, Mark! Too funny that you mentioned Yosemite cause I'm here right now. Lol
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! That’s awesome - enjoy it! I love that place!
@danielodonoghue3529
@danielodonoghue3529 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Mark. I suffer from GAS at times (I am literally awaiting delivery of the Sony FE 24-105mm as I type). Travel is certainly one alternative that resonates for me - even driving a couple of hours and staying in a cheap motel so that I can capture a sunset and/or sunrise has helped me tremendously. I think it's a cyclical process, as some posters have suggested. There comes a point where you become limited by the technical capability of some kit components (aperture, ISO performance, weather resistance for example) and that sparks a switch to gear investment again. I think the trap to avoid - as you imply - is to assume that buying new gear will in itself make you a better photographer. It will just allow you to stretch your skill development further.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Daniel! I suffer from the same as well - I love new gear, but after spending thousands over the years I now better understand when I “need” new gear versus “wanting” new gear.
@goateyephotography808
@goateyephotography808 4 жыл бұрын
Very well said, Mark! Obviously, you need a certain baseline of gear for some types of photography, but beyond that, the diminishing returns are increasing (or is it decreasing? 🤔 Not sure about it, but you get the point, I hope) faster than many people think.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Very much agree with the diminishing return of constantly upgrading!
@MovingTargetOne
@MovingTargetOne Жыл бұрын
Living on the North West coast of Scotland I am not too fussed with travelling far! I know this video is geared towards practical experience, but I would like to add in my opinion probably the biggest waste of money is camera body upgrades, the basic apsc models and several lenses will take you a long way. Basic dlsr, upgrade lenses, then explore/experience :) I do love your videos, particularly your editing advice
@sander5086
@sander5086 4 жыл бұрын
I started with photography , because of my love for traveling the world. In the last 20 year I have visited over 50 country's and it helps me a lot to improve my skills!! You can also go on a 1 day workshop, I did two last year in Scotland and one in England. I was worth every cent, my 9 year old camera can wait for a upgrade!!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
I hope to travel that much one day - that’s fantastic! Enjoy it!
@sander5086
@sander5086 4 жыл бұрын
@@MarkDenneyPhoto you should, there is to much to see out there!!!
@thijsskip
@thijsskip 4 жыл бұрын
I learned postprocessing my photos in Photoshop and Lightroom by watching a lot of tutorials and tips and tricks on youtube. This way I developed my own workflow for editing my images the way I imagined them to be when I took the shot. For the photography part, it's all about spending time outside and put in the effort, so you will be able to improve yourself. Spending money on lenses and bodies is something which I did only when I knew for sure it would benefit my photography. For me, in the end it all comes down to 3 things: Knowing how to handle your equipment, being familiar with the subject of your photography and being able to process your image. If either of these 3 things is lacking, then you know where to invest your money in.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
thijsskip Great way to break to it down👍
@juanbusciglio1771
@juanbusciglio1771 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Mark, I couldn't agree more. I produce great images with my old D90 still, even with my old 35mm Yashica film. 100% with the advice of investing in your education.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan! Glad you enjoyed it!
@matssandquist9258
@matssandquist9258 4 жыл бұрын
That is one reason I like Henry Turner you mentioned in another video. He still uses his D7200 and take excellent photos.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Mats Sandquist Henry is great!
@martinstkd
@martinstkd 4 жыл бұрын
Best advices ever!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Martin!
@johnsholian4318
@johnsholian4318 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but it is fun upgrading equipment when you can! I worked my way from a Nikon film camera to a D40, then the D300S, the D600 and then to a D810 which I currently own along with a variety of lenses that cover from 16mm to 500mm and assorted filters. I’m at that stage where I don’t crave anything new and just try to get out and make some good images that I can print and hang on the wall on the occasion that I capture one good enough to do so. That is one thing I would recommend for people to spend some money on is a decent quality printer and print out their work. There is just something about seeing an image that you’ve taken in print form versus on a computer screen. Good advice Mark.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
No doubt - I love buying new gear, but have to real in my excitement many times to determine if I really need this new thing or do I just want it! And, yes printing is an invaluable exercise as well. Many thanks John!
@MrTanksherman
@MrTanksherman 4 жыл бұрын
I have only one lens, a 18-250 zoom Sigma on my Canon camera. That is all of have had for years. The reason is, when I travel I don't want to be lugging a lot of heavy lenses/camera gear. Somehow I have not gotten my wife on board to be my sherpa. I really enjoy your teaching style, content and the calm way you have it organized so that even someone as limited as myself can learn. How long have you supported your family with photography. Financial to Photography is quite a change. I went from engineering to Insurance. You can see the correlation. I live in St George UT with 5 Nation Parks within 2 hours. It is amazing. I did not particularly car for your Orton video. One of the ones I really enjored was 'THIS COMPOSITION TOOL EATS UP THE RULE OF THIRDS'.
@JeffStudley
@JeffStudley 4 жыл бұрын
LOL ok I thumbs uped this one in the first 11 seconds! Totally agree with the premise, Mark. (Hitting play and continuing with the rest of the video ((insert random smiley emoji here)) ).
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Jeff Studley Hahah! You’re the man Jeff! Much appreciated man!
@dr.johnandyvonnewagner5067
@dr.johnandyvonnewagner5067 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Mark! I have invested in time - watching KZbin videos - and have improved both my photography and my post processing skills. I recently invested in a new camera (Nikon D3500) with two kit lenses. Now I am shooting pictures! Post processing is improving dramatically too! What do you think of Paintshop Pro as a post processing software? After watching your KZbin videos and others, I am also trying to learn how to make KZbin videos. Not in the area of photography, but in my profession - preaching. You do such a great job with yours I hope to learn from you.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks John I really appreciate that. I’m happy to hear the videos are helpful as well. Unfortunately I’m not familiar with Paintshop Pro though.
@cjjuan570
@cjjuan570 4 жыл бұрын
Mark, as always your videos are high class and very educational. I know you have mentioned this topic in the past and I felt like I needed to mention something because I’m 50/50 on the subject. Yes, agree! Don’t waste your money on new gear if you have it or feel your rocking the landscape world of photography. Unfortunately, where I dis agree to a point.. For me, I’m thankful to have a Nikon D750 kit with 24-120 lens. That I just got last year but really feel I need a 16-35mm to up my photography game. Maybe it’s for the reason I try to get as creative as I can with what I have to work with or possibly because I live in the PNW and don’t feel I have to travel far. Just wanted to share my thoughts and thank you for all the awesome information and will always be a fan! Cheers!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much - I’m happy to hear you enjoy my videos! I understand where you’re coming from. There is certainly a point in which everyone needs to buy new gear from time to time. I use my 16-35 for most of my photos and absolutely love that focal length.
@cjjuan570
@cjjuan570 4 жыл бұрын
@@MarkDenneyPhoto My pleasure, have a great one! Happy shooting!!
@madcat1007
@madcat1007 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark. Again another good video. I subscribe to about 20 photography/lightroom/photoshop channels. (Yours is my favourite, by the way.) Actually more now since you showed us your own personal favourite channels, that you follow. (And some of those are really, really good!! Thank you again for that) And every single one of the KZbin vloggers/bloggers seems, to me, to be making the same mistake. (You are included). When I first started watching these channels, the videos would come out once every few weeks, and they were eagerly anticipated, a bit like a new Beatles album, but just lately there seems to be a rush to get more and more videos out there, as fast as is humanly possible. Competition for viewers must be very intense. There is one guy at the moment doing a video a day!! It's a 30-day photoshop course, and admittedly, it's pretty good. But I can't keep up with it. I have a life to live away from youtube. You have been very consistent with one new video every week, but that rate of production is unsustainable. For the next 2 years, you are going to have to come up with a hundred or more ideas for videos. You are going to start repeating yourself very soon, and then you will start to lose subscribers. It's a bit like subscribing to a Photography magazine, for tips and how-tos, for more than a year. Very soon you realise that its the same stuff you read last year, with maybe a different angle. You have probably heard of the saying "Quality not quantity". I assume KZbin pays by the number of videos, or number of views per video, not the quality. Actually, I have no idea how you-tube pays but I would like you to be around in a few years time. Please do not take this the wrong way. Love your work. Any thoughts on this?
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Madcat100 Thanks so much - that means a lot, so thank you for that! That’s really the main reason I only upload once per week, I’d rather focus on quality as opposed to quantity and trying to upload 3-4 videos per week would drowned me.
@massdistraction6169
@massdistraction6169 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and great FREE advice. Totally get what you're saying and couldn't agree more. Temptation is always there to get the best of gear in any discipline, whether it's photography, music or whatever, because you will get better results from the high end kit. But you will only get the best out of that high end equipment if you know how to use it, and that's where your advice makes sense to me. A guy learning to play piano on a Steinway is not going to better than the guy learning on an entry level Yamaha. The Steinway will only make a difference when you know how to play it. ✌️
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Mass Distraction Great way to put it - thanks for that one!
@JonHatfield
@JonHatfield 4 жыл бұрын
As a follow up to this video you should take an entry level crop-sensor DSLR like the Canon Rebel series with you on your next shoot just to show people what can be done with the same gear that a lot of new hobbyists (like myself) have.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
That's a great idea Jon!
@G0FUW
@G0FUW 4 жыл бұрын
Sage advice Mark. Off to Norway Friday to seek out the northern lights for the first time. Old camera in the bag!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Nice! Enjoy your trip Steve!
@martinpickard5818
@martinpickard5818 4 жыл бұрын
Steve Hartley we went to Tromso and saw them,just spectacular.However gear is fairly important if you want pleasing results.Wide angle lens,big aperture f1.4 - f2.8 ideally and a camera that can handle longish exposures at high ISO’s.Hope you enjoy your trip.👍🏻
@Moregoreable
@Moregoreable 4 жыл бұрын
Do not use more than 8s of exposures or your northern lights will look like a blurry green weird thing in sky.
@Bfmason761
@Bfmason761 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all these wonderful videos. My wife and I have recently gotten into landscape photography and have found your videos to be of immense help. I have a question, which perhaps you could do a video on. What does it mean to have integrity in Landscape Photography? I see these beautiful pictures but know when I go to see these places they will look nothing like the photos I have seen. When we edit photos what should we try to present to the viewer? How it actually appears, or how I want it to appear? It is a question I struggle with. Would love to hear your thoughts.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
TAC The Abnormal Christian Thanks so much to you both for watching the videos - I very much appreciate that! That would be a great idea for a video that I’ll look to making here in the coming weeks👍
@mauistevebear
@mauistevebear 4 жыл бұрын
you are becoming a guru...time for you to do Mark Denny's Workshops!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Steve! I’ll be teaching in Acadia and Moab this Fall if you happen to find yourself over on this side👍
@leewatson1525
@leewatson1525 4 жыл бұрын
great video makes me feel better still use a Nikon d3200 and old Nikon type f film camera
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lee! Happy to hear you enjoyed it!
@Jakiyyyyy
@Jakiyyyyy 4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with the travelling part, if I was given an opportunity to travel again like I did last year, I'm always on with my old and cheap camera as long as I learn something new from these trips. At the end of the day what's important is the composition and the ability to tells a story not how expensive the camera used to take this photo?
@turnerrandolph4256
@turnerrandolph4256 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who started with a micro 4/3 for video work and transitioned to loving astro and landscape photography, I did feel like I needed a new system. Instead of spending a fortune on a new system I found a great deal on a Nikon d800 with a 24-120 and 14mm f2.8. The rest of my budget is for travel once the Milky Way core comes back up into the northern hemisphere. I also bought a few astro courses. So I think you hit the nail on the head for the majority of people. My Panasonic just had too much noise even with my f1.4 leica lens.
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated Turner! And thank YOU for watching the video.
@tonygreenwoodN10
@tonygreenwoodN10 4 жыл бұрын
Wise words!
@MarkDenneyPhoto
@MarkDenneyPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony!!
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