Marshall three amp shootout Pt.2.... Vintage Modern, Silver Jubilee and JCM800

[@happybenjful]

Im glad to see the vintage modern getting some love. Almost an unknown classic.

[@ZillaCabs]

Yeah it is an amazing amp. I think you just have to work it differently to a normal Marshall. I have to admit, it was lost on me to start with, but now I absolutely love it.

[@jpvvandermerwe87]

Love my 50W Vintage Modern.

[@TH-gu4wj]

A studio I worked at had one and I used it on every high gain sound I did in that studio. I always thought it was amazing. I have no idea why it never caught on.

[@OmarJulianTawil]

They all are fantastic amps, but in this video the Vintage Modern simply sounds magical, specially paired with that strat.

[@ZillaCabs]

Your bang on there Omar, that was probably my favourite of all the different sounds too. Thanks for checking out the video.

[@sirvidia]

it's also about a third of the price of the other two

[@Ollonskog]

Happy to hear you demonstrate the beautiful cleans that the Vintage Modern is capable of. I have a 2266 myself, and I really like the cleans. The master volume fairly high, cut the mids, the body control almost off and the detail around 3-4, and off you go!

[@ZillaCabs]

I love hearing how people use their amps. I used to have a Vintage Modern but I just didn't get it... actually I did that with the silver jubilee too. The VM is such an amazing amp and proves you should always read the booklet ;)

[@MrPrincebass99]

First guy I have ever heard make a VM sound great. Bravo.

[@adamwatson6916]

Johan Segebourne way better tone out of a vintage modern than anything heard here .

[@tmhensley2209]

Marshall vintage modern is awesome. I own the2466 100.watt which to me gives a little more clean headroom on the HDR setting. That amp is really good at using the volume and tone knobs on your guitar. Great video guys! I appreciate all your help and hard work!

[@zacharyoliver1325]

That 800 just oozes rock and roll. Awesome.

[@christianboddum8783]

The vintage modern did really impress me, the super lead is just the good old nasty unsophisticated grunt you would expect :-)

[@ZillaCabs]

You're right, sometimes unsophisticated grunt is what we need.. even if I can't gig it, I don't think I would be without a super lead.

[@mrmatthew2443]

All of these amps are master volume amps and can get low to medium gain bordering on high gain at bedroom levels ., yes it won’t be the same as cranking the master volume and getting the power amp cooking but it certainly does a great job at lower volumes

[@robertbarrass7519]

I have the VM50W Combo and the jvm,had a jcm and plexi,VM all day long,brilliant amp!

[@ZillaCabs]

I can totally see where you are coming from there. I still love my JMP but I have to say, I've been on ebay a couple of times looking for a VM ;)

[@javiermp81]

Nice video guys! Glad to see you’re enjoying the new place. As for the amps, I was surprised about the Vintage Modern. It sounds great, and for some reason they’ve got a bad rap. You should try an Astoria Custom, I think it sits somewhere between the cleanish-crunch sounds of the Vintage Modern and the SLP/JCM800. I get very nice full bodied cleans and crunch out of it. But when it comes to melt-your-face overdrive à la Slash, nothing beats the Jubilee...

[@ZillaCabs]

They get a bad rap because dumbasses like me don't read the manual and then say they prefer their existing amp ;) I had one and sold it because I just didn't like it... I would say I borderline hated it (I got one cheap so took a punt). As soon as Joe showed me how to use it it became instantly clear how good the amp is. I have had a couple of people try and turn me on to the Astoria, I'd love to get one in but they are quite hard to find these days and hold their money really good too. You've made some really good points here!

[@javiermp81]

🤣 well who reads manuals anyway... and yeah the Astorias are somewhat difficult to find cheap. And they were also kind of misunderstood, not fitting into the stereotypical Marshall design, maybe in a similar way as the Vintage Modern. Plus Marshall overplayed their hand with the crazy pricing.

[@alanst.4417]

Thanks for another great vid, guys! You really impress me, keep 'em coming! For my ears, the Silver Jubilee quite surprisingly (usually like the plexi or 800 more) wins all around here with its full, dynamic yet well defined tone. The VM on the other hand was quite a disappointment on crunch, where the tone seemed a little too flat and tinny IMO, much better with high gain though.

[@comethmordor]

Vintage modern with the strat. No contest! Thanks for the video.

[@ZillaCabs]

Although I don't think there are any wrong answers when it comes to these amps, I do think there is a right answer, and I think you got it ;) . It is such a great amp.

[@TVoltG]

Something about a silver jubilee that rocks me every time I hear one

[@ZillaCabs]

Yeah its a great amp.

[@mathieuplr1691]

Fantastic, this is the only video that helped me make my choice between jcm and jubilee, thanks man! 🤘

[@xWILZTAx]

I think the VM sounded best in all scenarios. Beautiful cleans, great mid range rock tones with great string separation, and a great modern pushed tone. Strangely i own a 50watt VM but never really got on with it tbh, i much prefer my Dsl1hr 😂 The SJ sounded tinny, thin and brittle and the SLP just sounded like a muddy flubby mess.

[@ZillaCabs]

I can see how the VM comes across as winning for sure. Personally I would pull the bass back a little on the JCM800 for my tastes and the SJ has a certain amount of cut/aggression. I think they are both really nice amps but I can see how you prefer the VM.

[@HF1600ie]

And the questions is : how loud is the dsl1h for a small orchestra? I have a modded 2266 VM that I absolutely adore. In stock form is also amazing.

[@RichusRkr]

virtually no guitarist needs an amp that large or that powerful, Marshall's 20 watt studio series is the answer to someone wanting these tones in modern settings

[@ZillaCabs]

Yeah that is true, that said the jubilee goes down to 25 watts. The Super Lead is a pain for its volume but does really sound great and the Vintage Modern is more manageable. A lot of the amps we have here are 50 watts plus but that tends to be because that's what they used to make and the amps sound really good... maybe not practical but we are fortunate in that we can play really loud here... and you;re right, 20 watts is more than enough. Thanks for watching.

[@MiguelBaptista1981]

That cab man. It sounds killer. I wish my VM had a friend like that.

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks

[@jublaim]

Great sound out of the VM! It's a Post-Phase-Inverter Master Volume on this, I usually don't care much for the sound from those, how high was the Master set?

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks Mats, we were able to push it a bit harder than normla in this video. I can't remember exactly but it did get pretty loud.

[@craighughes-shug6694]

Cool shoot out, is the mid boost engaged on the vintage modern

[@ZillaCabs]

you know what, I can't remember. I seem to remember Joe not using the mid boost too much on that amp but I didn't note it down for the video, sorry.

[@mattloughran9817]

sold my 800, tried a silver Jubilee, and now a Vintage Modern, but the 800 has something to it that I really miss. Bummer...

[@ZillaCabs]

They're all cool amps but I love those 800s too.

[@frankscassi4960]

Damn, that Super Lead sounded MEAN! All three amps were amazing, but that was my favorite

[@ZillaCabs]

Glad you like it Frank. It is such a powerful sounding amp, I love it.

[@marvelharris9540]

Jubilee for dirt and the VM for clean

[@ZillaCabs]

Yeah I think that is a good call. Thanks for watching.

[@TOBIBORNGuitar]

Still love my Vintage Modern. For any reason its not that popular... I think its an awesome amp

[@ZillaCabs]

Me too, I have said a few times I didn;t get on with it at first, like a lot of people, but it was just because I wasn;t using it right. They are awesome amps for sure. Thanks for watching.

[@digbyranford6657]

The vintage modern for me. Sounded great 👍

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks Seb, they really are great amps.

[@jimmyjams1974]

Great video guys!

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks Jim, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@bradleyshuppert3393]

The Silver Jubilee sounds great as the gain is way better. The JCM800 too muddy and bassy…. I own a VM and it has its place…. It just needs modded to a better fuller gain section like the Jubilee….

[@mrmatthew2443]

Why does he keep referring to the JCM 800 100 watt as an SLP …??? It’s not an SLP it’s a JCM 800 super lead but where is he getting the “P” in SLP ..?? What does P stand for ??? It’s a JCM 800 super lead..

[@ZillaCabs]

Sorry mate, not sure which one of use used the P, but who cares. If I'd called it a four input I'm sure that'd have pissed a bunch of people off.

[@lowqualityguitarvideos]

Why do I feel like its freezing cold there

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

Would love to hear a Marshall Astoria shootout, if u can get your hands on a few!

[@ZillaCabs]

Yep I really want one of those but they are relatively hard to get these days.

[@myuncle2]

people keep praising the Vintage Modern for a good reason, and that's why I will never understand why it has been discontinued !!!

[@ZillaCabs]

Maybe there were too many dumbasses like me who could use them..... I guess that is why you should always read the manual. When Joe showed me how to use it properly it was like using a completely different amp. Thanks for watching.

[@myuncle2]

@@ZillaCabs don't be harsh on yourself, unlike violins and piano, guitar amps allow too many options, which means often screwing up the tone. Especially reverb (it sucks on every amp), also on the Vintage modern if you engage the mid boost, tone will be screwd.

[@voxpathfinder15r]

Lots of people panned the vintage modern Amps. Probably didn’t understand it was a Marshall super lead with the channel’s jumped and the blend knob dictating how much of each channel. The modern was kicking in an extra gain stage similar to a jcm800 amp

[@honestmusicreviews]

Think the silver jubilee sounded best, wish you’d played it more

[@ZillaCabs]

yeah I think we should. We are spoilt for choice but I can't wait to start using it more.

[@padgreen]

Great video. Wish I could play and shake the roof, or even just rattle the windows a bit - I play at home through a Marshall 50th Anniversary DSL 1 watt amp and my neighbours complain if I put our more than 75 db. However, not a bad sound from any of these 3 Marshalls. My favourite was, probably, the Silver J, I particularly preferred the cleans and thought they were a bit more rounded than with the Vintage Modern. That said, that Super Lead is a monstrous beast and I can only image what it's like to play through that. I'm very interested in what you can do with these amps with a good attenuator. Would also be good to hear some driven tones from that Strat.

[@ZillaCabs]

haha yeah, those volumes are so impractical. This is the first time in my life I've been able to lift the volume that high (in my own place anyway) and as good as they sound they are just so impractical like that... driven tones on a strat would be great. Joe's strat sounds so good, I love that guitar, and he plays well too... oh and you are one step a head of us... we are doing a video on attenuated SL later today ;)

[@mattchurchill]

Great vid lads, new to the channel. My god that Strat sounds good, what type is it?

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks Matt. It's Joe's Eric Johnson strat, it's such a cool guitar. Thanks for watching.

[@xisco1969]

Nivel demo. I have a VM and I would really appreciate if you put the settings that you use in the dirty sound. Did you play in low dynamic Channel or high dynamic?

[@chriscanada4744]

Jubilee FTW!

[@kimseniorb]

Jvm vs vintage modern? Any suggestions to ease my choice?

[@Kjetil_MB]

VM all the way 😎

[@soundboy57]

Did you say greenbacks or creambacks in the cab? Sounds great, thank you

[@ZillaCabs]

Sorry I can talk funny sometimes... those are the M creambacks.

[@TheRustedShackleford]

Either the EQ settings are weird, or that cab just doesn't pair well with the Silver Jubilee. I've never heard one sound so muted and flat. Possibly because it was on the 50W setting.

[@ChoppaWhoppa1]

The Silver Jubilee sounded best imo. Then the JCM800, I'm not sure about the VM.

[@ZillaCabs]

I can never decide with these three. I never liked the VM but now it is one of my favourites. Thanks for watching.

[@ChoppaWhoppa1]

@@ZillaCabs Thanks for the shootout. A bit silly of me watching it though, as I have both the VM and Silver Jubilee, but I haven't really bonded with the VM yet. Much trickier to dial in.

[@angrytroll27]

I have one of those 800s. on 1 with an OD and it was 132dB

[@ZillaCabs]

hahaha yeah they are loud beasts!

[@angrytroll27]

@@ZillaCabs totally! It's like having an atomic bomb in the house

[@petkopeet]

Do the old DSL!

[@ZillaCabs]

That is a good excuse to get another amp in the studio ;)

[@jordy6676]

Hi everyone, I have a 1987 Silver Jubilee that im looking at parting with. I cant find any for sale so dont know what price to ask for. Can anyone please help me out? Really good condition, just not my cup of tea

[@ZillaCabs]

Hi Jordy, have you taken a look on ebay and reverb? It is hard to put a price on those at the moment.

[@jordy6676]

@@ZillaCabs I have looked everywhere. Joined a few forums too so will just keep my eye out. Thanks for the reply!

[@gazz5467]

@@jordy6676if you haven’t sold it give me a shout - [e-mail]

[@jordy6676]

@@gazz5467 I just sent you an email

[@Mime12341]

VM ❤

[@voxpathfinder15r]

Not sold on load attenuators, 50% of the cranked sound has to do with the fletcher-Munson curves, and the nonlinearity of speaker cone breakup. Easier to focus on more modern low wattage amps and let the past be the past - sure it was glorious but people busted up their eardrums doing it

[@ZillaCabs]

Yeah I get that for sure, low powered amps can be a lot more practical (lighter and cheaper too mostly) but I still think there is something about these amps cranked up.

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

Maybe use some overdrive for more modern tones.

[@ZillaCabs]

I can't remember what Joe did but I think he had a tube screamer on the super lead.

[@Jakeman90210]

Video starts at 11:25

[@ZillaCabs]

Video starts at 0:00 playing starts at 11:25

[@Jakeman90210]

Zilla Cabs the useful part of the video starts at 11:25

[@michaelgonzalez2182]

Talking too much

[@ZillaCabs]

We did a version without any talking and had to take it down as people completely lost all context and were getting annoyed. You can always skip through to the playing.