Training The Hardest Punch I've Ever Experienced • Martial Arts Journey ft. Peter Consterdine

Couple of months ago I've experienced the hardest punch ever which was demonstrated to me by Peter Consterdine. This time I visiting Peter again to not only experience it but also to learn it myself. If you are interested, jump into this Martial Arts Journey episode.
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My name is Rokas. I'm a Lithuanian guy who trained Aikido for 14 years, 7 of them running a professional Aikido Dojo until eventually I realized that Aikido does not live up to what it promises.
Lead by this realization I decided to make a daring step to close my Aikido Dojo and move to Portland, Oregon for six months to start training MMA at the famous Straight Blast Gym Headquarters under head coach Matt Thornton.
After six months intensive training I had my first amateur MMA fight after which I moved back to Lithuania. During all of this time I am documenting my experience through my KZbin channel called "Martial Arts Journey".
Now I am slowly setting up plans to continue training MMA under quality guidance and getting ready for my next MMA fight as I further document and share my journey and discoveries.
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[@ianthomas5955]

Pete is one of my oldest friends, going all the way back to primary school in north Manchester. He was always totally immersed in martial arts, even from a very young age, and it is no surprise he has made such a successful career in the sport. Not seen him since 1980, when we had a reunion with a few old pals. Pete had just bought a new Golf GTI and he let me drive it, with a promise that he would break my neck if I crashed it. I drove it very, very carefully.

[@paulwhittaker5195]

That must have been after his Rover and jag that he use to drive in the early to late 70s. Blue jag brown Rover.

[@ianthomas5955]

Sounds like you knew Pete from way back as well as me! I remember his Jaguar XJ6 but not a Rover. Somehow a brown Rover doesn't seem to quite fit the Consterdine image!@@paulwhittaker5195

[@Sinekyre14]

As a boxer, this is one of your videos I found most worrying. He told you to drop your guard as you throw a full-body punch and skip backwards. *Multiple problems with this:* 1. Less kinetic transfer from legs to arms. 2. Potential loss of balance. 3. Inability to move effectively when that's your intended action. 4. I see a lot of heavily telegraphed punches, this is a massive waste of energy against someone who knows how to work a guard. 5. Most importantly, terribly dangerous with your guard down against someone who does a simple slip-counter. Do a ton of boxing sparring. I do at least 12 rounds per week. That'll quickly allow you to develop arm movements that works, and weed out stuff that doesn't.

[@Sinekyre14]

Every class, our coach would run around the room and slap you in the face with a foam tube if you didn't have your guard up. I don't know about this kicking magic though, did muay thai for a few years but maybe I'm missing something x). Even the kick afterwards, what if the dude blocks the first punch, then blocks your kick? He has a window of 2-3 seconds of free shots to your head.

[@Ufhhh12]

truee, also how tf are they holding pads lol, looks like one of those wing chun classes

[@zegarek840525]

​@@Sinekyre14 "what if" - this is a very big gap in many martial arts / martial arts schools ... did you practice many years muaythai or at least the box itself ?? and somehow you haven't developed the most important ability to observe the whole body and peripheral vision without focusing on the point ?? "what if the dude blocks the first punch", what if it's not real, the hit stopped and you hit with a second or kick ?? ... too much of "what if" ... you wrote a large number of sparrings, I did not count, but I felt lightly what is described in the movie "Concussion 2015" and I practiced sports muaythai ... the paradox is that it is easier to see a hit on a harder sparring so hits are less likely ...

[@Ufhhh12]

@@zegarek840525 u are trippin bruh, i have no idea whatu talking about

[@zegarek840525]

@@Ufhhh12 mój natywny język to polski... próbowałem pisać po angielsku... jeśli wolisz, bym pisał poprawnie to i oto piszę... Wesołych Świąt, z Twojej strony raczej nie ma woli dogadania się... mógłbym próbować pisać po angielsku, jednak widzę, że nie ma sensu i nawet nie próbowałeś zrozumieć... -------------- I could try to write in English, but I see that there was no attempt on your part to understand ... google translate ...

[@danielmarshall4587]

Awesome, thank to you AND Mr Consterdine for your time and effort making this vid.

[@NostalgicVibes]

Watching your progress from just the first drill, I can tell you were hitting a lot harder and your technique looked cleaner by the end. Good job dude!

[@trinidadraj152]

I love seeing that opening footage again, just walking through town with you on your travels.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

🙏☺️ Thanks

[@aikisushi]

Hey there. Thanks for the amazing content. I've been following your content since the day i started my aikido training. You made me realize the good and (more importantly) bad sides of aikido and the importance of testing under pressure. I like to consider myself on the same train as you, and as soon as i get my shodan in aikido i plan on to move on to different martial arts, like karate or mma. I just wanted to thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences with us. You are really reaching out to me, and im sure many people around the world as well. This channel really deserves the name ``Journey``. All the best, keep up the amazing work!

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thank you. Your words mean a lot to me.

[@brianbates_zanshinkarate]

Love this Rokas. I had the same experience as you a couple of years ago with Peter and Steve. Peter really knows his stuff and Steve is a beast 👍

[@benjr4057]

Woww! This is something new to me Thx for sharing, very much appreciated 👍👍👍

[@MartialArtsJourney]

🙏

[@ShukokaiStu]

Different class!

[@jc-kj8yc]

I see lots of comments about the alledged ineffectivess of Consterdine's teachings. What has to be kept in mind is that this isn't meant for fighting per se. It's meant for striking first and finishing a fight before it starts. It's a valid self defense concept. Consterdine and Geoff Thompson both teach these kinds of approaches additionally(!) to actual fighting. It's true that you have to sparr full contact to become efficient at fighting, but you also need to drill to read a situation and strike first and hard, if you want to use your martial skills in a "normal world environment", like working a door in a nightclub like they both did. We're conditioned to discard everything that's not useable in full contact sparring for fighting, but lots of self defense strategies require another type of practice and sparring/drilling than actual fighting techniques.

[@Jonas-js2eb]

Looks like a tough gym, with some good concepts!

[@tarkajedi3331]

This was one of the best videos in this channel. it was the first time I felt someone was teaching him how to hit someone for real. Before that he looks like he taps too much with his blows. Instead of tapping he was being taught how to punch and kick with damaging force. The other stuff like guards and hand positions comes after he can issue force. Trust me this is solid. When Peter said drop his hands and relax he was trying to fix his bad habits and get him to just punch correctly. If he applies this he will be able to issue force with knockout power. Building upon this comes things like boxing. Still I think he improved more in my eyes in this one video then most others. As for his ground game he needs to pick one choke, one mount, and so on and master the hell out of it. Don't try to learn it all. Pick a few and practice them so that you can do it effortlessly with more confidence. I still get the feeling of a airiness. This excellent video was the first one where I felt he was learning to activate his bodies power. What do you think?

[@GuitarsRockForever]

I'm no expert, but I had a little TMA background back in my youth. What Peter teaches seems to be some sort of traditional karate moves. In traditional karate, you primary movement is not the striking but the foot / body movement. Your strike goes with your movement. There are tons of generate power from foot, rotate body and throw punch/kick in certain way. We started to see some of those in mma. Check fight perfect guys, in their video about "one inch punch", they explained how to generate power with relatively short distance, by using "whip" motion.

[@MrLimbei123]

If you wanna learn how to punch hard, fast and most importantly how to land your punches while reducing the chance of getting hit in a real fight situation, learn boxing from real boxers.

[@seangilmore3901]

I'm a big fan of the KZbin martial arts group. I hope the hacking situation ends up being a boost to your channel.

[@GiC7]

Nice

[@48plaster]

Trained under pete considine on courses in the 90s great martial arts guy and the double hip punch phenomenal.

[@bassax7045]

this exercise is Very important , lack of this dynamic always gives away the fighter is a grappler , its how you regognise strikers in the MMA cage

[@dimitrisglynos6808]

Hi Rocas!!!! I was a kick boxing practitioner for about 3 years. I was having about 5 hours of practise per day. Full on!! Before that I were a handball player for 13-14 years so when I stoped I needed something real and quite "hard". 1,5 hours wasn't enouph for me so I was going to two practises beginers and pros . I got my blue belt within a year and the brown after two and a half. After of course having victories in matches for the championship of clubs here in Greece. I saw maybe all of your vids and I could not understand how come that a man in general could not believe that he's marthial art is just an art and nothing better than this! I mean that when you grow to become a man you must have been a few times to fights in your life and you should have known how it is like... You were 14 years practitioner in an art and many other people even more, to realize then that your knowledge can't protect you??? I mean... Wasn't that obvious from the first couple of years? And isn't that obvious for all the other haters of your revilation?? At least you are totaly honest to your self and others. What I am trying to say is that you are a master to your art and right now it doesn't feel like you are capable of protecting your self. Your guard is down , you can't pounch like a pro or kick like a pro or wrestle like a pro and you hambly try from the scratch. All those closed in a dojo can't really understand that they will be beaten in a real fight?

[@sexybluelady]

Wait wait wait....I'm so confused. Peter said that, "the power of the kicks comes from the top of the body"?? WTF?? How so? Every Muay Thai champion to best coach in the world that breads out champions, has stressed and demonstrated that power from kicks comes from the hips, turning your heel, stepping out [aka offline] and chopping down with your leg/shin as in bringing your shin down like a dropping arch like "if you are trying to go through" the person. Even I feel major loss of power when I do not turn my hip and heel over when I kick improperly.

[@sexybluelady]

I'm not to sure about this? I will watch the rest of the video, but that was a big red flag to me.

[@tarkajedi3331]

To those hating I completely disagree. He is trying to teach him the core skills of being able to hit with his body. Hitting with force rather then hitting disconnected from the body.

[@DamKaKaDaNi]

The tail end of one technique becomes the beginning of the next technique. It sounds like what Allan Ondash talks about in his book "The paper tigers" Which is a really good read btw.

[@zegarek840525]

what explains about walking relates to short distance and they teach it on "SISTIEMA" ... at long distance it can also work, but earlier you need to quickly shorten the movement ... long distance kick and impact is "walking like a bear" i.e. right arm right leg, left hand left leg, almost like in Aikido or Tekwondo, except that before all the movement is initiated by the hip movement could be less telegraphic ...

[@juancarlosgonzalez9722]

You should look up Dan Harden and go train with him at a seminar. He goes to England and other parts of Europe quite often.

[@jakubtunski170]

Looks like zumba to me 💪🏻

[@freelancerblitz2579]

Holy crap I'm from Wakefield!!! I know where that place is!!! I'm In shock!!!

[@Turbulent2000]

Hi there! With full respect to the gentlemen in this video, they drop a lot their hands when attacking, which gives a good window (many windows tbh) for counter-strikes Secondly, they are too linear, at least what I saw. I would like to suggest you to learn a gyaku goshi in traditional karate. This is almost the same hip movement, but its more accurate and sharp. Its like you move your back hip forward, but when rotating the fist, you move it back to the shomen position. This movement is fast and short and doesnt require a wide back and forth hip drive. Yusuke Nagano from Karate Dojo Waku explains that quite well. Wish you a nice journey, thanks for the content!

[@Spockfucious]

If you truely want raw, brutal and efficient combatives, Morrison’s approach seems to be the most straight forward, easy to understand and apply. No nonsense, no hoo-doo, just solid hand to hand combat heavily grounded in the biomechanics if shutting someone down as quickly as possible.

[@davidacobb1]

Cool video. Looks like your ankle and your thumb held out OK. 👍 Nothing against Peter, as I have the utmost respect for his stuff and his ability, but if your journey ever brings you to Australia, you need to check out Jim Armstrong at RAW. With any luck, I might see you there...

[@therabbitwhisperer820]

I am seeing a lot of negative comments, but I for one find it hard to argue with someone who has spent a significant amount of time as a doorman and having numerous street fights. I think I will seek PC out and try a class with him before I make up my mind.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Very good point

[@sexybluelady]

Street fights and getting in a ring are two completely different worlds. Not going to deny that this may be very effective in a street fight. Heck so is picking up a rock or bottle while in a street fight, since anything goes. But trying to compare a street fight, to a bout with another competent fighter aka stepping in a ring with a trained boxer, kick boxer, mma, Muay Thai fighter etc. His techniques gas you out quickly, and more than likely result with you getting knocked out or badly beaten.

[@therabbitwhisperer820]

I have not had any experience with PC but I have a little with his associate Geoff Thomson. Everything he teaches - he is a boxing coach and a Judo black belt as well as Karate - was self-defence. Which meant dialog, if that fails pre-emptive strike simple and powerful, and of course the famous GT fence. PC’s club is not too far from me, I will see if I can attend a lesson.

[@BecozPro]

This is a logical fallacy though for two reasons. 1) If a Nobel Prize winner in Science started saying 1+1=3, people would call him out as wrong. Experience tells you that PC is more likely to be correct than a complete rando off the street, but it doesn't mean that everything out of his mouth is pure gold. You still need to stop and think "why is it that Rokas' striking coaches (some of which teach literally the best in the world how to strike) all will have told him to keep his guard up and this guy says 'no drop your guard' ? If those two disagree, who should I believe?" 2) If a sports Taekwondo guy started giving self defense classes, people would be up in arms pointing out his lack of experience with real world violence. It goes both ways. Plenty of self defence guys, experienced with real world violence, have made loads of stuff work for them that won't generally work for everyone. It's one thing having scraps with a guy who has had one too many and is too drunk to stand up, but I'd rather take kickboxing classes from a guy who can fight (or even better can train others to fight) other world class kickboxers. PC has a strong Karate background and some Wing Chun from what I can find online. I'm sure he has some valuable lessons to teach us from his background in those TMAs as well as with door work, but as soon as what he says starts disagreeing with what every striking coach on the planet would tell you, that's where you tune it out.

[@therabbitwhisperer820]

@@BecozPro 1) I believe that in mathematics 1+1 can equal 3. Us as non mathematicians don't get it, because we haven't bothered to ask the mathematician for an explanation. 2) I believe PC teaches self-defence, maybe its something we don't get because we haven't bothered to ask him for an explanation. I have done boxing and Wing chun and BJJ and JJJ. But I am not ready to dismiss PC until I have more information.

[@kevincolwell9575]

wonderful. thank you. I am interested in your thoughts on something: I have studied Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Louis to the degree possible through video and what they wrote. It appears to me that Sugar Ray, especially, threw a similar punch when he had room. Joe a little less so, but for both, the hip movement and foot movement seemed almost exactly the same. They held their arms differently, I think. Look at Modern Martial Artist on Sugar Ray and see the footage. Please. Thank you.

[@hectoraplicano5736]

Forgot the old guys name , but he moves his head forward when he jabs as he backs away , and thats a good way to k o your self head butting the coming fist . Throwing a punch backing away is the second lesson in all karate stiles . Not even bullshido dojos will award you a yellow belt if you do it wrong

[@serenacula3256]

Huh, you're in my city, wasn't expecting that... xD Hope you enjoyed yourself. :)

[@seadawg93]

It looks like this is from 2 years ago. I’d be REALLY interested in what you think of these techniques now. Any praises? Any criticisms? Do you use any of these currently in your training?

[@baldieman64]

Wakefield is also the home of English "Catch as catch can" wrestling at a gym called "The Snake Pit". Are they legit? Well, it's where Kazushi Sakuraba (The Gracie Hunter) trained before the fights that secured his legendary status.

[@hhmmmm....4141]

Trained with Peter for 4hrs last week and did this drill and kick but was hitting harder and faster

[@neilcook8774]

Well done for doing a class with Peter. Trained with him myself and it's a real eye opener, not only the impact but the physical conditioning. I'm sure there will be people commenting about what's "wrong" with the way he moves but hopefully after experiencing it first hand you can understand what he's all about.

[@sexybluelady]

Just curious, have you ever fought before in the ring and or cage and have a career behind you? Have you been able to actually put Pete's techniques to the test yet? I am seriously curious because there were so many questions and red flags that I saw while watching the video. And would love to hear from one of his students has put Pete's techniques to the test.

[@MrLimbei123]

You won’t cause those techniques won’t work in the ring.

[@neilcook8774]

@@sexybluelady hi, i'm not getting into this too much as i've had this conversation before. However, the example in the vid is Peter is teaching his method of power generation, the "don't worry about guard" comment was to get him to relax. Yes when you fight in an arena other considerations need to taken, but it was not the focus of that very short clip. If you want to check out his organisation, it's the Brittish Combat Association (bca), insta #brittishcombatacademy for footage of fighters using this method. Hope it helps.

[@HoorayforOranges]

@@MrLimbei123 No these techniques are more for shutting someone down in real life

[@stephendettweiler746]

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[@AxiomIndustries]

Merry Christmas and custard

[@Ufhhh12]

im sorry, i call bs.looks like a kickboxing cardio class

[@agsiar]

do elaborate.

[@chefgusteau9243]

Though I haven't had the pleasure of training under Mr Consterdine, I have trained under and with some of his friends and my first club was one that focused almost entirely on the concept of the double-hip-twist. It is not a traditional punch or a boxers punch. The focus is on the movement of weight and momentum to maximise power output. Where boxers will often rely on only weight behind their punches, the twist allows for a two fold process. Where the weight and momentum from the hip comes in, and then the acceleration from the fist. You this get two stages of power that make the punch when it lands more powerful. Its a shame that people are so sceptical of it. I have trained under 7 styles of martial arts (many of them for extended periods, having blackbelts in Karate, Aikido, and Martial Arts Combat System (something associated with a friend of Mr Consterdine)) but the power generated behind this punch is unparalleled. It is worth noting that this is just a part of a full self defence package and thus in isolation may look strange, but I guarantee its success so far as you trust a random person on the internet.

[@VoidedTea]

chef gusteau It seems that these punches consume more energy, probably because they require more explosiveness from the entire body. The red shirt guy looked quite exhausted after his first demonstration. Would that be a fair statement? That would explain why we don’t see these punches in competitive fights, where energy consumption must be taken into account. For a street fight or self defence, where one strong punch can convince the opponent to back off, this might be a very effective tool, just like you said.

[@chefgusteau9243]

@@VoidedTea Yes, I feel that is very fair. Like with all Martial Arts, they have a time and a place for application and were designed with that aspect in mind. I can't really comment for boxing but a good balance of jabs and weakening punches mixed in with the occasional twist could probably go a long way. I myself am quite small and light and this technique has allowed me to generate a lot more power than my weight would generally allow. But yes, it's something you really need to feel and try for yourself.

[@HoorayforOranges]

@@VoidedTea Yeah I just had a seminar with the guy and I can go 1 hour HIIT traditional kickboxing and bag work but this stuff really takes it out of you.

[@BFGalbraith74]

His power first strategy is reminicent of Choy Li Fut, similar structure to techniques.

[@larryforrest2429]

Yes it looks like how we develope power in choy lee fut that whipping power

[@littlegiantrobo6523]

My personal opinion is that Mr. Consterdine is a little full of himself, but I have to give him credit for that very legit drilling session, and he helped you make some good changes to your kicking posture.

[@adamzoubi96]

I know people are gonna think I'm hating, but this is just sloppy boxing, he's using basic boxing fundamentals like punching and moving and transferring power as you land your back foot on the ground, but he's executing the techniques poorly and trying to compensate with power. Just look at his jab, you would never land that on a good boxer, very slow and telegraphed elbow up... Just go to a good boxing gym and learn footwork, proper punching, angles and the fundamentals really

[@neilcook8774]

Can i state that Peter is over 65yrs old, how fast will you be at that age.

[@Shivemaster]

@@neilcook8774 Check out golden era muay thai fighters like dieselnoi and sagat, ~60 and still fast. Of course not everyone is going to be able to do that but while you can say age will slow you down you could also say you've had half a century to perfect your mechanics.

[@adamzoubi96]

@@neilcook8774 his speed is actually pretty good for his age, his techniques are the questionable thing here.

[@Shivemaster]

@Whammer79 not sure which fight you mean, didn't reference a specific one and they haven't fought each other recently (both retired but still training). Find it kind of funny you would call them "sloppy and not that fast" and follow with people without fight records/sparring footage. Things tend to look a lot faster and less sloppy in low contact touch sparring or demonstrations by default. As for "5 second fight vs sport" that makes sense, they are worth treating differently. But at the same time, it should be fairly obvious that training for a trained opponent is going to give you an edge over an untrained opponent and training for an untrained opponent could end badly.

[@Shivemaster]

@Whammer79 I definitely agree with age taking a toll, just wanted to make the point that age isn't necessarily an excuse for anything. That fight is a great example of both (thank you for that, wasn't aware of that fight). I have heard of enough frauds that use military connections, street fights, or body guarding/bouncing to prop themselves up without any knowledge or skills that I ignore it outright without footage so I have a hard time trusting pure self defense guys. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, I'm not here to put doubt on him but there's no clear evidence (as far as I'm aware). On the other hand fighters in a sport have proven themselves. Whether or not their skills work "in the street" is another argument, but Rokas is trying to get things to work "in the ring". So why not talk to sport fighters if he's fighting for sport?

[@jellevanbreugel325]

rotation, rotation, rotation :D

[@kevinhoughton9134]

Peter is your worst nightmare if you end up on the wrong side of him. Beware who you offend, at the end of the day people be nice to whoever you encounter! It's nice to be nice.

[@UItimateGuitarCovers]

Sorry, I dont get the start where he says people dont do it the way he does, most martial arts use the pivot point to generate power, and like others have said it's just like a kick boxing class, and NEVER put your hands down. I would like to say thanks for your content its really enjoyable.

[@HoorayforOranges]

It's because people don't keep their hips forward when throwing the strikes, it's hard to explain without experiencing it first hand, it's not for boxing but for street defence where you just want to knock someone out as quickly as you can without breaking distance or telegraphing a shot.

[@HoorayforOranges]

I think I just understood your comment in context. I don't think he advocates putting hands down in competition fighting but the reason he was advising to do so is because he is trying to teach body mechanics and didn't want the student to think abouit the guard. That's not the focus of the lesson, you can't hit shots at full force if your all tensed up, and lots of people tense really hard while trying to keep a guard up.

[@mxbblife_mu]

Beautiful Training... Sharpen your tools for combat.

[@NeverAReflection]

People seem to really hate the fact that they were drilling punching on the retreat, as if that's the ideal/only thing they drill. Interesting :P. Peter is a very knowledgeable instructor, with lots of experience in karate, as well as bodyguard and professional security work, and he's always a good person to hear from. Obviously, this is just a small snippet of training with him, so it's easy to criticize

[@JSMinstantcoaching]

Clicked faster than a beta male who does still believe in santa. Good work Rokas keep it up.

[@liammullen2144]

lol what

[@thefullmonte1902]

I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the bloke in the red T-shirt... he can pack a punch... wow 😴

[@saadatspeaks]

You should come down to london, it's a lot better than Leeds

[@AlexanderGent]

Nah mate, the North is way better 👍

[@nvoitek]

I've been following your journey and it brought me a great joy to find another person who lived through a disillusionment with traditional martial arts. I've been worried by your videos with Peter, please don't fall for it again. The way he talks ("100% knockout" from previous video, drop guard in this video) and shows these moves has some of the "martial arts" vibe. This guy punched in his life for sure, but are his punches better or stronger? Are there testable (f.e. through matches record or sparring) alternatives? Does he claim he teaches something other successful fighters are missing? I don't know, of but for me it's a pass. I feel too much like listening to my wing chun instructor 8 years ago. Of course I may be wrong and I'm no expert, I also had my share of "falling into familiar territories" with some krav maga classes after traditional martial arts. I'm rooting for you to grow and have fun :)

[@serenacula3256]

The video is literally titled "The Hardest Punch I've Ever Experienced", and is about him going to learn from the guy who showed it to him. Once you have the context of competent fighting to understand what you're learning, there is plenty of genuinely useful stuff in TMA that can be picked up and used and adapted. Dismissing anything and everything is wasting a tremendous resource.

[@laz001]

nvoitek PC knows his stuff. He's been a doorman in one of the roughest areas of the UK for years - him, Geoff Thompson, and the rest of the British Combat Association are experts on street violence, aggression, and the verbal and mental side of it etc.

[@BecozPro]

@@laz001 no doubt, but what he's teaching here is not the same as what his expertise in. People are so quick to jump on about how a "sport instructor" isn't qualified to talk about self defense because they don't have experience with real world violence but it goes both ways. There's a video somewhere of Rory Miller (another "legend" in the self defense world) trying to teach groundwork escapes and it looks like a 2 week BJJ white belt could flatten him on the ground with little issue. The most fundamental thing of striking that everyone always tell you is "keep your hands up". The most important thing ever. And this guy went "nah drop your guard down". At an extremely high level, perhaps against one opponent when you're very aware of the range they're at, I can see that being a bit more fluid with your guard has its advantages. If this guy's realm is self defense then he would presumably be concerned with multiple attackers and the threat of the attack you possibly wouldn't see and would prioritise keeping a good guard up at all times.

[@laz001]

BecozPro - indeed, you might be quite right. Without really knowing more, it's curious as to why he would advise that. One thought is that in a street confrontation, the primary thing is to try and avoid the situation, and raising your guard in a conspicuous way can trigger it. Instead taking a hands out guard, the fence, is a more neutral way of defense, and gauging distance for a pre-emptive strike. Can't imagine it's very applicable to sparring however.

[@BecozPro]

@@laz001 yes but it's one thing to practice punching from a neutral position. This is Rokas moving around in the context of some kind of violent encounter and then he's moved in and thrown a strike. That's a different thing entirely.

[@ansast883]

1 As a teacher, he is not going to teach you all on one session, or one month, or correct everything you do "inefficiently" in his view in one week. He will try to polish some details, correct some things, and mainly go for the main principles. He mentions Newton (action-reaction): in old martial arts, that is known. It is known as HIkite in Japanese. And it applies to all different parts of the body, not just punching. If you have the insight to feel it, or are reminded of it, the moves flow better and with more power. 2 It is quite wild to dismiss styles, fighters, weapons, because every one depends on too many factors. That there are technics and ways that may be more effective or serve a purpose better, true, but do you realize that there is no perfect warrior? There are always new things to learn, and flexibility to apply yourself to a new situation. If it were so easy, there would be one style, mine, called "All Do" , or BL's Jeet Kune Do. So be humble, learn, and be happy. Journey it is.

[@tevman69]

Physics, it don’t lie.

[@Eric-yb9is]

So not McDojo. Good stuff

[@zawadzki78]

If you want to see the hardest punch come train with Russell Stutely who is Europe’s foremost authority on pressure points and a friend of Pete Consterdine, Geoff Thompson and. Ian Abernathy as he was part of the BCA

[@stuartperry-hughes5969]

Still teaching pressure point knockouts? 😂

[@zawadzki78]

@@stuartperry-hughes5969 yes and boxing and Martial arts

[@The31st]

I don't like hearing things like "forget about the guard" without any explanation. Basics are if your hands are down you're able to move more easily. When you punch you want to have a guard to as it's when you're most exposed. You can have your hands low when you move but when you throw the punch that other hand needs to be pulled back to your face to a) give you power and balance b) protect yourself from a counter.

[@adam28171]

Where does he train from these days?

[@MrMoedean]

Thank you!!!! The trainer isn’t slapping pads on the trainees gloves to create a false sense of power

[@alexanderalvarado5879]

My coach always told me to watch the shoulder line of your opponents as that'll most likely be the first part of the body to telegraph their next move. No offense to this coach as I'm sure he has notable experience buuutt he telegraphs waayyy too muucchh and I feel like his methods could lead to easy pickings for a counter or a pattern analysis. On a side note, I think we would all love it if you addressed the comments and spoke on your own opinions on the training, comments, and coaching methods. Love your content, keep up the journey.

[@russman738]

To all the nay-sayers, “Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is specifically your own”. There is more than one way to punch, there is more than one way to kick. Punching and Kicking doesn't belong to one martial art. If it doesn't work, either you're not using the mechanics quite right, or it's not for you. If it works, play with it to make it better for your arsenal.

[@emenem6131]

Want to see this demonstrated with real unpredictable opponent movement?....watch some of Ali’s early fights. I’m not saying yes or no to the class but the basic hip movement is sound. Yep I know, NOBODY moves like Cassius Clay but he fought tall and in most cases moving away, and he didn’t over turn his hips. So the thought of this looks more so like boxing which is sound. But what do I know...😏

[@eliking3333]

Any one who think they are going to jump on that old man is going to have a real bad day.😂

[@eclipsewrecker]

Badass! Where can I find his grappling videos?

[@eliking3333]

@@eclipsewrecker i would look it up online , and buy his CDs.

[@eclipsewrecker]

@@eliking3333 I did, I couldn’t find any of him grappling.

[@eliking3333]

@@eclipsewrecker i looked into it myself, and his primary style was Karate, but his partner Geoff Thompson did more of the grappling , and has DVDS. I hadn't found anything for Peter Consterdine , but i will keep searching also.

[@eclipsewrecker]

@@eliking3333 thanks. That is what I found. I was going off of your “jump on that guy,” comment and had thought it was a direct reference to his grappling ability. I realize that you might have meant ‘jump that guy.’

[@perrypelican9476]

Do you have any plan to investigate internal techniques, like ji and energy movement?

[@Spockfucious]

Have you investigated Morrison’s Urban Combatives yet?

[@troyt6864]

Merry Christmas. Have a cup of coffee on me.

[@Dumplestiltzken]

Serious mcdojo vibes. Would love to get your opinion on the experience

[@williamsmith8790]

Dumplestiltzken Consterdine is as real as it gets. Lot’s of people people on KZbin comment on his awkward movement, but he gets results.

[@gritglory298]

Peter Consterdine and Geoff Thompson are both legends in their own terms. People who practice things for its efficacy.

[@Dumplestiltzken]

@@williamsmith8790 what are his results?

[@williamsmith8790]

Dumplestiltzken That double hip punch he teaches is a money technique. If you follow his instruction on it and learn to use it it’s a great opener, maybe the whole fight.

[@Dumplestiltzken]

@@williamsmith8790 is he the only one teaching to punch that way or to lead with a straight right? Watching this video I don't see much of a difference between this style of punching and many others

[@sexybluelady]

Another thing that I do not understand is when he is talking about roundhouse kicking and kicking in general. He is talking about how people lean back and put their arms out. One reason why you put out your arm is to reference and also your other arm is up to block a counter, and it also helps to get your head off line. I do not know about Karate type kicking only Muay Thai, when you are say kicking to the head, you should be trying to turn your shoulder (top one) down, if that makes sense. If you are leaning back a ton, you probably are stepping "in" and not out or jumping into your kick and only using your leg to try to throw instead of your hips. Off topic, was Peter ever a fighter? Did he ever put these techniques to the test? I am going to have to research and see if he had a fighting career. A lot of things just aren't sounding right. Sorry.

[@sexybluelady]

After a google search, it looks like he just did a lot of Karate point sparing matches......but was never a actual fighter. Makes a lot of sense now, as to why most of his explanations sound off. I've never been a fan of point sparing, to me it teaches and sets a lot of bad habits, unrealistic "bullshido" techniques that do not work in everything but point sparing aka the real world. Plus they conditioned themselves to stop after someone "touches" you or throws a real punch to the head...... If I am wrong please correct me. Thanks

[@trinidadraj152]

@@sexybluelady You're listing a stylistic difference. He's not teaching a kickboxing style roundhouse. He's teaching a kick that is consistent with the principles he teaches. Instead of thinking "how do I do a powerful roundhouse" think "how would I do a roundhouse that fits in with this man's double-hip emphasis." You don't have to think this way, but if you don't give it a shot then you won't understand what he's getting at. A muay thai style roundhouse is very powerful, but the average version tends to create too much lean back. Too much lean back throws your center slightly away from the target so you don't get a full transference of energy, even though it's still powerful because of the swinging motion. This is something that very experienced muay thai coaches are aware of, so high level coaches might teach their own variations to avoid this problem. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4TZXmmLaZKIopY - with Sagat

[@williamsmith8790]

Justanother fancy screenname what do you mean by fighting? A match between two sportsmen. Or, a street assault against thugs. I know guys who point fought for years that user to crush people on the streets. And I knew guys that were kick boxing murderers in the gym that couldn’t make it happen under the lights, or on the cobbles. And I knew guys that got the snot beat out of them in the gym that whipped two at a time when it counted. So what is your definition of a fight?

[@sexybluelady]

@@williamsmith8790 I am speaking in terms of in the ring and or cage. I do not dive into the realm of "street fights". I call those "brawl for all" because their are no rules and anything goes. I can not speak for the people that you know. But as a general rule of thumb. Point fighters tend to always get their butt kicked outside of a point touch tournament. Why because point, as soon as you get a hit, you stop and reset. You condition yourself to start and stop, and most can not take a real hit to the face. Since it isn't something that is a part of their training. This Peter guy from what I seen and looked up, never did anything outside of point tournaments and his "fighters", from the few amateur fights that I have seen, well let's just say I feel for them, I really do. But back to Peter, what he was explaining is simply convoluted and backwards. None of it makes any darn sense. His form is beyond sloppy, along with his "top" student. Their chin is sky hip, none of them turn their hips over, pivot which robs most of the strength from a kick. They are all off balance and leaning upward AND back. There is just so much wrong with everything that he is preaching. Which leads one to ask, has he ever been in a real bout? So much energy is wasted with his punches. Power is generated from the hip and the ground, not your arm. Keep on hitting like that are your joints will be trashed after just a few short years. Look at the great KO kings of any combat sport. Watch their form, watch how they throw their jabs. Then watch his mess. Even his students were well winded from showing off his "ultra special" moves after just a few demo's. Any well practiced, Sanda, Muay Thai, boxer, MMA student, lethwei.... would have their way with any of his "top students". Sorry but Peter is selling some magic bullshido bro.

[@williamsmith8790]

Justanother fancy screenname Most pro fighters would have their way with the average martial artist in the ring. And should in the street, as well. But, it doesn’t always work out that way. I fought in the ring boxing, kick boxing, and NHB back in the 90’s. I also worked as a bouncer for 5 or 6 years in some real shit holes. No fight I ever had in the ring adrenalized me like any I had in the clubs. And none of the competition matches I was in looked anything like the fights or assaults I was in or witnessed in the clubs. The stimulus is different. You have fear, hate, and alcohol out in the world. I never had any of that in the ring. That’s the environment this guy is training for and has most of his experience in. Twenty years on the door. So whether he point fought or kickboxed, we’re past that on whether he’s been in a “real bout.” I would guess he’s had a scuffle or two. That “double hip” punch he throws would be money in a close quarters confrontation. Dark, up close, talking smack, they would never see it coming. But, if it doesn’t drop them then that’s when your more standard boxing strikes would come into play. Put it on their chin and they probably go down.

[@staticjump]

Right I know this is three months old by now and everyone has had their opporunity to talk, but here goes. The double hip twist is simple. Take jab cross from boxing, remove jab but still do the hip rotation from left to right and you have the "doubled" power. Apply the same to the jab. It doesn't take much to understand. Now understand Peter has been a competitive fighter, at a time when martial arts was not a fucking boxercise class. And he has been a bodyguard and I believe a doorman at one stage, for over god knows how long. His technique is trained for street effeciency not ring fighting and demonstration.

[@hennyspiderman9974]

I promise you, this only work as a sucker punch. You fight a trained Muay Thai fighter, kickboxer or boxer, you’re getting knocked tf out.

[@giovelazquez8872]

Sure man

[@oddeddie4184]

the reason i think it may be balogne is because we have not seen you demonstrate it in matches or verses other martial artists because they would be impressed if you had that sort of power. I am not saying youre a liar but maybe exaggerate a little bit

[@danielm.5636]

Just do boxing and u will be fine...

[@MrLimbei123]

And that double action punch thing he uses, although it looks cool and powerful, is not the best way to punch. People can see it from a mile away. It doesn’t maximise your range, high chance that you will get hit before you can complete the punch. In addition, it’s hard to chain your punches into combinations that way. If you wanna learn how to punch properly in a fight situation, learn from boxers. They are masters of this. Why learn from this guy? What’s his fight record? Any footage of his fights?

[@biggeecee359]

MrLimbei123 He’s a 9th Dan in Karate, spent years on the GB international Karate team and moved into full contact in the 1970’s winning the British middleweight title. But that is probably less relevant than the years of practical application of fighting techniques from working on the doors of pubs and clubs where people who think they can fight get found out very quickly. Not to mention the fact the guy went on to become an authority on close protection. What he does may not look pretty but it’s tried and pressure tested unlike many other so called martial arts being taught up and down the country. My interest in his whole approach along with his colleague Geoff Thompson stems back to the mid 1990’s when they were miles ahead of their time and were the reason why I left TMA behind to focus more on cross training stand up and ground fighting.

[@williamsmith8790]

It’s an opening technique . He sets it up from a non aggressive stance at close quarters utilizing deception and obfuscation. I’d bet you land it 95% of the time at phone booth distance.

[@dimitrisglynos6808]

At my dojo some times we had "free moves day" in order for our master to see our real potential and way of thinking . so it was sparing with time and light fight using every thing we had. Some of our pupils were souldiers or door men..... I was just an athlete all my life so I had stamina and I was quite fast and technical and quite free styler ... Even with my elbows and knees throun in I quickly found out that some people had me for breakfast in a single strike!!! I realized that people hitting with 300 kg of forse could brake me in peases with 1-3 strikes and even my speed and defense could not save me in the street. How can a master of an matial art can't recognize that? All those that atack you have never been in a real fight? You people never fight in lithuania??? I don't understand!!!!

[@jlogan2228]

Yea everyone criticizing peters methods seem to be thinking in the realms of a professional sports fighting mindset vs an every daylife situation wherein these techniques are far more likely to come into play. Like that one punch peter demos that's basically a rotational pinch to the solar plexus that is very fast and happens from below your line of vision at that range. You won't likely see it coming it's very effortless to throw and the way it hits will stagger even a large opponent and it HURTS LIKE HELL It's essentially just good striking mechanics applied for a different situation and everyone's like NOPE IT WONT WORK

[@HandelSilveira]

Man, you should do some kickbox muay thai, or box and then you would see what's weird with this guy's teachings. Several people already pointed out in the comments bellow. Please don't fall for magical martial arts again.

[@MrLimbei123]

No sparring footage? The best evidence for the effectiveness of the techniques is if they can pull it off in sparring. You can hit like a motherfking hulk on a pad or bag but it’s all useless if you can’t land it in actual sparring. And wtf is with that lower your guard thing? So he proposes that you block punches with your head?

[@oddeddie4184]

can it or has it been used in mma or boxing because why dont trainers get peter in and help boxers whom have every skill apart from power? Any pro boxer would pay almost anything for that skill especially as it seems easy to develop so why hasnt it happenee? mcgregors coach only went to one seminar and never asked peter to come on board or asked him for extra help . All seems suspect but please overstand

[@giovelazquez8872]

It’s not easy

Bet that felt like a rhino stampeding over you!!

[@SenseiNatePlaysPool]

I'm failing to see how "skip"/jumping back and punching, at least from a body mechanics point of view is effective at all. Maybe as you land, but not as you jump...

[@zegarek840525]

...and... "don't take hit back... because i do..." ...somthing... bleble... old aikido or bjj coach rule / response .... I don't like it, I've always been silent... I prefer sparring :D each action = some reaction there is no universal rule

[@511dydy]

Im sorry but, telepunching much?

[@zegarek840525]

MERRY CHRISTMAS! ...at least someone finally said what to look at ... biomechanics and physics ... However, THAT MMA colleague ... if this sparring is not friendly, he will see it, distinguish it or get hit hard by accident or intentionally ... then the psyche will play a role ... ... and the real strongest hits are not the strongest ... the "strongest" are those that the opponent does not manage to notice and it is not about speed ... sometimes just a bit of haos, a bit of what in this video is not necessarily for the strongest hit. ... i.e. you stop the action in front of the shield and the second one after a fraction as a continuation in another place ...

[@MrLimbei123]

I don’t really understand the rationale of leaving straight blast gym to learn from this guy. Those people at SBG are fighters. You wanna learn how to fight? Learn from fighters and you need to fight in order to learn how to fight. It’s strange. If you wanna learn to play the piano then you gotta play the piano. If you wanna learn how to cook then you need to cook. It’s only fighting where people think you can learn it from kata or do just pad/ bag and talking about it. This guy talks a lot but where is the evidence for the effectiveness of the techniques? Where’s the sparring footage? It just seems to me that you were on a very good journey to improving as a fighter, training at SBG and all but you seem to be sliding backwards when you decided to train with the self defense people. These people talk a lot. Have a lot of theories. Claim to be able to knock people out in seconds. But you don’t see much of them in actual fights or sparring.

[@MrLimbei123]

Yeah and O sensei of Aikido had allegedly dodged bullets and defeated a gun man according to his students. So any footages of Peter actually fighting or sparring?

[@MrLimbei123]

So mentioned Peter dropping more people. Well like I mentioned before, there was a trend of youths going around, sucker punching and dropping people for fun. Now are they great fighters? You can drop people if you target people smaller than yourself and sucker punching them.

[@williamsmith8790]

Whammer79 I have always liked Thornton’s grappling stuff, and his pummeling vid, but I agree with you. For a guy who says if you don’t fight MMA you can’t fight Thornton himself strangely has no competitive record. I don’t believe that means he can’t fight, he’s a 6’9 bjj blackbelt, but it is hypocritical. Peter Consterdine has both a competitive record and years on the door, he’s as real as it gets. I don’t think he’s worried about a bunch of bjj blue belts critiquing him.

[@paulthesquid3595]

@Whammer79 True the commenters here derriding Peter Consterdine have watched too many ROCKY FILMS i think in all honesty there

[@DefconUnicorn]

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[@marciosouza2078]

Wtf.

[@fightingfisherman9690]

It's like you learn something good then go back these bad teachers. I am muay Thai coach and see so much wrong already. Throwing punch with other hand down. 🙄 Sloppy tip tappy kicks. And I have actually fought in ring and cage. Just stick to real fighting. Like mma muay Thai bjj. Tried and tested martial arts. Not this rubbish. Skip back when you kick., going get sweep by leg kick if feet close together.

[@sexybluelady]

Happy someone else caught this too. I was cringing so hard while watching those "kicks" being thrown. I was like that is a solid sweep waiting to happen all day long. Also none of them step out, nor turn their hips over. That's a blown out knee just waiting to happen, or torn groin muscle. All of it is just so, sloppy. Just leg check those kicks and counter since all of them had their hands down and not one knows how to reference and protect themselves while kicking. This screams Karate point sparing bad habits.

[@attiylanen]

Rokas, don't you see what is happening, again? You are letting yourself to be drawn in to the traditional martial arts. You left aikido to train mma. You don't go back to aikido or karate. You should be training boxing, muay thai, wrestling and BJJ. NOT THIS SHIT!

[@jon...5324]

I love your channel rokas, but this all looks like awful advice and training. I'm sorry, but I think you've fallen for another fake "martial arts master".

[@biggeecee359]

Fuck me, do some research. Try telling that to the “fake martial arts masters” face.....should be fun, but not for you.

[@peterwaldie4478]

Mr consterdine is a proven martial arts teacher par excellence. What's your history jon burbach ?

[@JohnSmith-le5oe]

Peter Consterdine was trained by Kimura who invented these techniques. Kimura was known throughout the world to hit harder than Foreman or Shavers. Guy was awesome. Kimura trained my late training partner Carl Cestari , another one strike one kill artist. At Carl's, I saw 140lb guys drop 260lb martial artists through the shield. These techniques are killers. Peter Consterdine is no fake! He is world renowned and as a body guard and bouncer he used his techniques in real life. In these videos he is merely showing the biomechanics, not the myriad ther intricasies he uses. The saying on this side of the pond is Peter kicks elephants to death.

[@user-uk2ok8yo7g]

Weak kicks