The Sims 2: Pregnancy Modifier Token vs Twins

[@Lenna38]

Thank you for the video and I'm glad I could contribute :)

[@Jhud69]

My (real life) family is super prone to twins but the twin pregnancies usually don't make it. And it's always non-identical twins. My uncle and aunt were twins, my sister had multiple twin pregnancies and even I was supposed to have a twin but sadly I ate him. Woops!

[@skinnynotlegend]

Okay this is so cool.. I always wanted a twin brother or sister

[@IsomerMashups]

Identical twins don't run in families because they're a mistake in the early fetus development, but that sounds like hyperovulation to me...

[@SamBryans128]

Twins run in my family too. One of the many reasons I am never having children.

[@Metzli]

My sister was supposed to have a twin too, a non-identical as it was a boy. But she absorbed him too, oops xD

[@Marticore]

All the single babies, now put your hands up! PS I'm thinking that maybe cheesecake and forcetwins were added because PMT was never fully developed? 🤔

[@kittypink]

Using the disease tester, the options are a cold, pneumonia, the flu, food poisoning, and morning sickness. My theory is that that's why they have the disease token, and they accidentally made it fatal.

[@Marticore]

Oh, the token is especially for morning sickness!

[@Rekowcski]

I know a few premade sims have this modifier token. Personally I've never looked into this much, because for most pregnancies I am eating cheesecake anyway

[@Marticore]

For MOST pregnancies?! We have a real twins fan here 😆

[@Rekowcski]

​@@Marticore it's most fun with brandi, especially with the triplets and quads mod haha

[@Blorbo-without-shows]

20 pregnancies... It was a hot night!

[@Marticore]

caliente 😂

[@edumeleroverdu8509]

Guess hereditary twin chance was a plannead feature of the game (the strategy guides certainly implied this). I believe Maxis actually wanted to go back and complete it, but couldn't -hence the oddity of the cheesecake having a 100% of twins, as a sort of compensation. Very interesting video, as always!

[@Stardust_Wyvern]

So basically, a Chuck-E-Cheese token has more value than the Pregnancy Modifier Token.

[@existenz_1]

I was looking through SimPE and saw that one of my toddlers had it. He was a twin, but his sister didn't have it. Later, I checked again, and he didn't have it anymore. I guess it explains why, lol

[@idontreadorreply]

Once I made a family with parents and two children. One of the kids froze when she was building a snowman outside and obviously both the kids got taken away. I was sad and tried for baby so I could get new kids as I couldn’t adopt the old ones anymore and I GOT TWINS lol, it was so cool!!

[@autism_and_niamh]

I absolutely LOVE these deep dives into aspects of this game's coding, it's like a Xmas present to me 😆 Also, I have noticed that some of my pregnant Sims' needs drop a LOT faster than non-pregnant Sims...but then other pregnant Sims are totally fine the whole time? I wonder if these latter Sims don't have the Disease token...hmm!

[@Marticore]

Yeah, I noticed that too. I think the token might be giving different values of needs dropping each time. The token also triggers morning sickness! This might be its main function really.

[@boltcore._.]

i find the sims 2 so interesting. The way it was coded and stuff i just find it so fascintaing. Maybe i m a nerd but id love to see similar videos to the sims 3 or 4 since i know both are messed up. Love your videos

[@TheHomerowKeys]

I think it's because the devs started to make "The Sims 1 3D" and then were like... what if your Sims 'aged' and that opened up the whole idea of a neighborhood history that evolves and genetics that affect generations like in real life.

[@goldfi2h]

Well, so I guess in my gameplay it was a complete coincidence: Lilith Pleasant married Dirk and Angela married Dustin. Lilith got twins, Angela had a single son, but her grandchildren were twins!

[@kasianowak6142]

But such a good story-making coincidence 😄

[@animekitten321]

i kept those couples in an old save. Angela had two singletons. through twojeffs' mod Lilith had quadruplets.

[@lipglass]

I don't get how it can be a coincidence! Castor Nova and Tiffany had twins twice in my game, and then those twins grew up and had more twins. Meanwhile, hardly anyone else in the 'hood has (I think only one other family.)

[@shalryma]

I like keeping books on my sims way too much, so I was able to calculate that out of 112 pregnancies that happened in my neighbourhood, 11 of them resulted in in twins. Math checks out. And my first thought was that there's no way it's 10%, twins seem so rare! One funny thing though, when I was reinstalling my town on a new PC, all the sims who were pregnant at the time of save transfer(5 of them) gave birth to twins. I do wonder if that was just a coincidence, or some odd bug happened? 7:22 Funnily enough, both times I played with Delilah O'Feefe she also had twins in my game.

[@countrye3013]

This honestly surprises me. I have a neighbourhood where one family is on the 5th generation of all having twins

[@Christophee1987]

I've wondered about the difference between the so-called 'twin gene' and the super fertility benefit for a while, and whether they stack to increase chances further. Clearly stacking isn't a thing if the twin gene doesn't even exist in the first place. There seem to be a few things cropping up which we've all been told is a certain way, but people are actually looking into and discovering them to be false. Hopefully people keep up that great work as it's really interesting. Also, for a while it's felt like either John or Jennifer Burb has some kind of increased twin chance as it seems to happen to them way more in my games than anyone else. When I think logically I'm sure it must be coincidence, but then it happens again (it just happened in my latest game in fact - I restart Pleasantview way, way too often) and it makes me wonder.

[@MxEickley]

Thank you for putting this information together, I always wondered about that token.

[@Marticore]

Me too! Honestly Lenna found out all the info 😆

[@beecampbell]

Oh! That's probably why one of my pregnant sims just dropped dead with her needs full when I was like 8 (that traumatized me)

[@gosi_brzydkie_tatuaze]

Not me having twins just to Laslo get obducted to have twins two days later too. I loved it. It was so intense. Named them Morgan & Freeman and then Andromeda & Sirius

[@Marticore]

Oh, Lazlo had twins in my ST too, of course when he was living in a dog house 😂

[@rowan404]

Thanks for explaining! Now, I finally understand how 2 sims who were neither twins nor descended from twins have had twins themselves!

[@fishsona]

I remember testing if you could have 10 sims in a household without cheats by having two pregnant sims eat cheesecake. (You can.) Kid me was so proud of myself for this discovery lmao

[@Karin-fj3eu]

Amazing should push it to the limit

[@KaczkaAmanda]

This is shocking for me because I had one town where all my sims came from 3 sims - 2 twins and their younger brother and I swear I had twins in every generation from that twins branch.

[@breezybunny1251]

I remember asking you about the pregnancy modifier/genetic twins chance when Tenneth and Holten were born! So it had nothing to do with it. Good to know!

[@Violetshy5]

I kust got a set of natural twins in game. Brandi Broke had just had a set of cheesecake twins, then she went and acr'd herself into a natural twin pregnancy literally the hour after giving birth 😩 It really happens always when it's least convenient to have them 😆

[@Karin-fj3eu]

Still had some cheesecake in her

[@HeightofMediocrity]

Woah, this is blowing my mind. Total Mandela effect. I remember before the cheesecake and forcetwins cheat, uploading sims pregnant with twins was such a hot commodity back in the day. We all coveted that supposed inherent bonus to twin chance from being a twin themselves but come to think of it, no one ever suggested what the higher number might be. It could've been 11% instead of 10% for all we know. Now we know we've been living a lie for almost 20 years!

[@kasianowak6142]

What? A 10%? Twin pregnancies are so, so rare among my sims that I can't believe it :D It's much easier to get a burglar instead

[@Marticore]

Well, Sims don't get pregnant every night and burglar can happen every night 😆

[@kasianowak6142]

@@Marticore Yeah, that's true, but I can count like maybe 5 "natural" twins (without forcetwins or cheesecake) in my whole, long gameplay and I've had hundreds of babies :P. It feels ultra rare. On the other hand, burglars really like my sims and in my oppinion, they appear much too often. Seriously, in real life families usually do not experience burglar 2 or 3 times in their lifetime 😆

[@lete3284]

I hate twins in sims 2, but I have them at least in 2 families and it's annoying... Someone tell me how to DECREASE percent of twins in sims 2 😂😢

[@kazonogasilka]

Ahh, twins...in my custom hood I had 5 or 6 twins in one generation. I thought that my hood is cursed with twins!

[@ifu138]

For some reason in both of my Strangetowns Circe Beaker has a set of twins and then her daughter has two sets of twins, guess it's just a crazy coincidence.

[@jessy7550]

This makes so much sense. I have 4 sets of twins in a neighborhood and only one couple (both parents were twins) would go on to have a set of twins. They also had the super fertility trait. But only one set of twins out of 3 pregnancy.

[@xEnjoyTheMoment]

I only had 1 set of twins since playing sims 2 as a conscious adult, that's several years and about 100 pregnancies. RIP. also congratulations to kaylynn and daniel, of course they would have the twins :)

[@xEnjoyTheMoment]

omg it might be because I play with large households so dickhurt's mod that you linked will probably fix it. ty Marticore!

[@annette606]

ah yes, marticore's sims 2 pregnancy video, wonderful

[@twojstary1839]

in my gameplay theres like 50% chance of twins. always twins. so many twins. the worst one was definetely when Brandi got twins on a clean Pleasantview. they got taken away :(

[@rosemarywarner6759]

I swear twins happen more often when the sim isn't in a position to look after them, it's happened to me a few times... it can't just be observer bias... right?

[@XimGato]

7:30 I know, the first legacy challenge that I did my sims had twins, before I was joking about my sims having twins like in your legacy challenge :c

[@FelricFortuna]

I wish this amazing lengendary smart women could release a revamp Sims 2 with the whole code fix. One can dream. Thanks, love Ur videos!

[@pinkcatacombs]

Wow! I always assumed the benefit was 100% twins

[@animekitten321]

i swear there was something in the water in my super old pleasantview. i think there was a 10% of a singleton there. i had twojeffs' triplets and quads hack but the odds of multiples should have still been lower

[@Metzli]

I swear I have a family in my game that has a tendency to have twins. The parents adopted a girl and then decided to have their own and twins were born. Then when it time for one of the twins to reproduce, they also got twins! Coincidence? I think not! (I know that's not true, I just wanted to quote the Incredibles)

[@sarahg8350]

Thanks for the video! Honestly I still believe that red-heads are more prone to have twins even if there's nothing to back that up :p

[@agaycrow2520]

In my legacy my heir and her husband both had the super fertility reward, but they had 4 kids and none of them were twins 😭just super unlucky I guess

[@Ali-yp3zg]

Interesting video as always! It's funny because in my game I never have twins, I've been playing for a year and half and have had about 100 babies born in game and have only had 4 sets of twins: one set from Daniel Pleasant, then a set from both of Angela's daughters, and one set from Lilith's daughter. So it's only the Pleasant family in my game, and I don't use cheesecake, force twins, or the fertility treatment benefit. Must be a coincidence but super strange!

[@xEnjoyTheMoment]

I've had 1 fully natural set of twins. ONNNEEE, in over 100 pregnancies. It's crazy.

[@Ali-yp3zg]

@@xEnjoyTheMoment I still haven't had anymore since I posted that comment! All from the Pleasant family descendants. I know the pregnancy modifier token has been disapproved but I still wonder a bit given how they are the only people to have twins in my game. I've also had well over 100 babies at this point so I feel your pain!

[@jodiehardy7220]

Dina one time gave birth to twins right after Mortimer died Alexander was stuck holding one of them lol

[@leslie2149]

I have 11 sets of twins in one neighborhood but you could discount 3 sets because they were cheescake twins. Actually, the last time I tried to use cheesecake for twins (father wanted to marry 6 kids) it didn't work. I tried it twice and she only had a single birth. I'm not sure why it didn't work. It was the same cheesecake I used for their first set of twins so maybe you can't use the same one twice? I'm not sure. So far none of my twins have had twins but I seem to have a lot of natural ones in this hood. And I agree; if your sims are dirt poor and living in a shoebox it greatly increases the possibility of having twins! Happens all the time!

[@eduardoluizvuaden5037]

I got super "lucky" with the 10% chance, yesterday. Both of the females in my household were pregnant at the same time, and both of them had twins! I had to slipt them beacuse there is no way I'm taking cake of four toddlers at once!

[@jackdaw1]

I've waited soo long for this video and I'm kinda disappointed that PMT does pretty much nothing. I even made a separate column in my ts2 gameplay excel sheet if a sim has PMT or not and now you're telling us that it has no influence on number of babies 😭🤣

[@SamBryans128]

I wonder if this would be something that LazyDuchess could fix in their Open Sims 2 project. Could be worth asking them. Either way, I just use the triplets and quads mod and hit random for people who I think should fall into the "twins run in the family" category.

[@ravenID429]

I restarted Pleasantview recently and had Brandi make cheesecake - twin clones😁 I’m excited to see if their personalities are different

[@Marticore]

I think it's possible! If she had recessive genes, one of the clones could get them too.

[@ravenID429]

@@MarticoreTheir personalities are different! It’s really cool, both similar to hers in different ways - Brandi’s wiki page doesn’t say anything about recessive genes like it does with others, but maybe😄

[@ravenID429]

@@MarticoreOh nvm I just watched your Brandi recessive genes video lol - that’s so cool

[@princess.capnschwann]

Hi! Can you please do a video on the unfortunate scenario where a Sim in TS2 gives birth to twins, but one disappears from the lot and still appears in your Sim selection on the side? Have recently had it happen, and I've read on several forums that others have had it happen too, but usually without a proper way to bring the disappeared baby back.

[@Marticore]

Happens often with the Ottomas twins especially if you have a shorter pregnancy mod that makes Samantha go into labor immediately. I think moving the family brings back the other twin 🤔

[@totakluska]

I had a couple who had a single son and then twins and then the eldest also had twins, of course in a small house and no money... I thought that was genetics and I should've seen that coming but if that was just random 10% chance, I'm even more mad 😂😂

[@matthewwalker2190]

That’s so mad because my Dina has had twins in 2 play throughs and I totally thought it was because she was twin

[@annajuza2485]

I played once with 8 families, and 6 of them had twins in the same generation, others had single babies. At first I was so happy, but after another and another pregnancy I wasn't. I thought: what am I gonna do with all those babies?

[@julianhcastro]

I once had a couple of family sims with the super fertility bonus that I really wanted to have twins. They had three kids, no twins. 🤡 It was vanilla game, and both sims were created in CAS

[@kieranwillis395]

I was always told, or thought, it was more common if you had a female marry an NPC and have a baby. I think Jo Carr did it for me a couple times from PV neighbourhood

[@Marticore]

Joe is on the list of "pregnancy modifier carriers", I guess he's just lucky to get the token by random (and then taken away, and then given, and then taken away...)

[@kieranwillis395]

@@Marticore so does the token actually work if you conceive when the NPC has it

[@Marticore]

No, it doesn't work at all

[@RayneNaegwyn]

I have a few sims who somehow managed to get twins one pregnancy after another, no, they did not have the family aspiration lol

[@katsyoutube]

The idea that TS1 appears over programmed and the TS4 and DLC is historically under programmed on release🙃

[@IsomerMashups]

Someone ought to make a mod that actually _does_ implement this rumoured feature. Not me. I'm allergic to Sims 2's scripts. They frighten and confuse me.

[@Merkartal]

Could you test it on base game only? Because when I had base game kaylynn always gave birth to twins. Maybe it worked well with base game and not with expansion packs? Or maybe I was so lucky 🥳 I had pirated version. Herb Oldie was ✨ 8 days old ✨, Romeo's grandpa stole my baby and there was one more weird thing but I can't remember right now (6 am, trying to sleep). So they changed many things with expansions maybe this could be one of them. At 4:34 , not finish the video yet, might edit after finish

[@Lenna38]

I've already checked it, the game code is exactly the same as in the base game (except then there was no pet check).

[@JustWierzba]

4:30 offtopic but its first time I see yellow background in SimPE what does that even mean? On the sim panel I mean

[@Marticore]

This is the "No Family" category with NPCs and dead Sims

[@JustWierzba]

@@Marticore oooh never really saw it so I got confused. Is it in some specific version of SimPE? Or I just somehow managed to miss it? lol

[@TheSkinnyZ]

What? Cheesecake?! That’s hilarious!

[@TheSkinnyZ]

Does it work for male alien pregnancies too?

[@Marticore]

Yep!

[@PixelSubstream]

Wouldn't it be possible to use that cheesecake function to make the pregnancy modifier tokens actually work again?

[@Marticore]

Cheesecake is insta twins, so I think the aspiration benefit would be better as the base. And it would have to be a completely new custom token and hereditary to work as intended.

[@liamvautier944]

I always asked myself why my version of Bianca's plauthrought HAD BLOND TWINS instead of the usual "bianca clone" that everyone keeps talking about… Now i know!! I probably must have used the aspiration rewards on the 2nd or 3rd day + i made her "go for a baby" with a blond npc in the 1st day of pregnancy, therefore, I MADE HER HAD TWIN BLONDE KIDS SOMEHOW WITH MY ACTIONS D4mn, i'm a genius(bc twin blond brothers was just what i wanted, but i didn't eve knew all of this), thanks so much for the explanation, now i know how to replicate it and have blond twins again😂

[@Marticore]

Huh, you must've had either the clean version of Veronaville or the Equal Genetics mod to actually get blonde babies from Bianca. I've never heard of the Bianca clone, but it sounds like simply the firstborn syndrome - if everyone just makes her a baby with Kent and accepts the first mix, it'll be the same baby in everyone's game, that maybe just happens to resemble Bianca a lot.

[@liamvautier944]

​​​​@@Marticore i was playing vanilla, i didn't knew mods existed at the time, i learned that later😂 I went for a baby with a blonde welcome wagon npc right after entering the household bc i always remember from my childhood the fact that the baby of Bianca is one with always black hair, so i wanted to see if making her whoohoo right before the "become pregnant" event happened, would change the result. I delayed the event by keeping her bussy with unavoidable tasks(the ones with long animations and priority's on the game's lineup of actions, you know, the ones that are gonna be completed even if you cancel them mid-animation or before they even begin the action), in the meanwhile, gave her all her aspirations rewards by completing her wishes like i was doing a fkng speedrun, and there you have it! Blonde twins with the genetics of the father and the mother in the vanilla Veronaville. The mere fact that it worked it's kinda blaffing to me😂 (Edit: also, i said "bianca clone" bc, if you look at her genetics ingame, the baby only has bianca's bc the game is broken, so the programmers made the pregnancy work by making bianca pregnant with her self, only her gened are present in the vanilla's baby code, that was the only solution they could came up with, while developing the game, to make Bianca's pregnancy happen when a player entered the household, bc the husband was already dead, twice actually. You can see that in Simagination's videos, they are in spanish, but she explains that there are two "Bertos", Brandi Broke husband, in the storyline of the game, and you can notice by looking at the code and you'll see 2 different versions of the character saved there at the same time, with different colored eyes, even. So clearly they Broke, pun intended, Brandi's code for pregnancy, and solved it by giving her a baby with only her genetics present, and that's why the first born syndrome occurs with her on the first place, and why i call the baby "brandi's clone". It's fascinanting, actually, but i think that my little playing around with the blonde npc modifyed that imput by adding the male npc's genetics, so the babies had both, and turned out to be blonde thanks to now having both genetics instead of just one.)

[@SuperSimmerGal]

​@@liamvautier944 Ah, so you're NOT talking about Bianca Monty, but rather Brandi Broke. And her husband's name is Skip, not Berto.

[@ravenID429]

10:25 What if you change the “hours pregnant” and/or the body flags for pregnancy?

[@Marticore]

You can't change the hours if there's no pregnancy token, the Sim only looks pregnant

[@olciaxxxdd]

I wonder if you can manually change the # of babies to have. If this data specifically attached to the pregnant sim or generaly?

[@Esth.1]

Hey marti! I am playing the sims 2 now, and streaming it. Unfortunately, right after a clean install from discs (dont judge), I had a crash happen which ruined my sim (stuck in university as a grown up with no personality, aspiration, randomised attraction, peak fitness, male voice on female sim... the whole ordeal. After that I made a clean new sim to play with instead, but I noticed nearly all the npc's (both main neighbourhood and subneighbourhoods) are completely broken in the same way. Even worse, most if not all pets are broken, they walk on their hind legs and their front legs are tucked backwards into their torso, they have a male sim voice instead of a pet voice, and they cant be interacted with... How can I fix this?? Ideally without reinstalling of everything 😢 is there any patches or mods that would help? Currently I only downloaded the bonsai that shows hidden skills and a pack with the pre-order items, cars and clothes, and the sims 2 store items. Those were installed AFTER the crash and corruption though. I hardly use cheats, if anything I used boolprop once or twice in my household to delete those creepy sims-pets hybrids that would block the frontdoor for whole days and nights. Thanks for any tips!

[@Marticore]

Reinstalling won't help, as it's likely just this one save that is broken. Wow, I've never had this kind of corruption happen. I think there are two possible reasons for it: 1. The game crashed during saving and the files got messed up because they only saved partially. 2. You're using OneDrive for Documents and it interfered with the save files. You can uninstall OneDrive in the Control Panel and change Documents' localization in the folder settings. As for the fix it would take a long time to make human pets regular pets and it would require a lot of SimPE work. I think best would be to start a new save, maybe export and clone the Sim you were playing to place them in a new neighborhood for fresh start.

[@a.i.5129]

And then I think my coding is messy

[@nhilz]

lol why does cheesecake force twins thats so random

[@thejubilate]

LMAO i love this useless token

[@grimlesbians]

its great that u failed a 1/10 chance like 30 times. probability is amazing

[@Marticore]

Food poisoning can kill! Yeah, I realized the token is for morning sickness after seeing a comment mentioning it. I have the 24-hour pregnancy mod, so I kinda forgot that it exists, my preg Sims almost never get to vomit 😆

[@grimlesbians]

@@Marticore ah i got it mixed up with a cold again. in my normal games i have ~40-hour pregnancy and usually only see it once per pregnancy, if that. 6-12 hours is not a lot of time to trigger it

[@grimlesbians]

@@Marticore also i found the uhh key if u ever wanna check this out SH = Symptom Hash LD = Lethality Delta CS = Current Severity CT = Contagiousness RP = Recovery Points