Martin Hannett and Tony Wilson at Strawberry Studios in July 1980

[@ustheserfs]

Two months after dear friend Ian had passed. Tony was still grief stricken. Martin Hannet's importance to the Manchester sound can simply not be overstated

[@sacredcow1979mk2]

I wish Hannett and Wilson were still around today.

[@pigknickers]

So much love for hannett, Wilson, gretton, Curtis, factory, all of it. So privileged this was my upbringing. What a special thing.

[@thomHD]

Joy Division are one of my holy trinity of bands. Martin Hannett is as-important as any official member of that band.

[@eduardocarvalhodejesus461]

I think that maybe he was more than 50% of the band actually.

[@kennetking1]

The reality is though is that Joy Division were not always happy with the studio representation of their music. Clearly Unknown Pleasures was Hannett’s masterpiece but Joy Division were a completely different animal away from the studio.

[@robludo565]

He was the Master-piece , he made that strange & enigmatic Music ... Remember what he said about them ..." The clue was that They knew No'hing " What an experience Martin Zero 🗿🌌 heart ans soul ,what will burn ...

[@fredgarvinMP]

He's AT LEAST as important as Bernard!

[@odw_99]

So was Rob Gretton, in the same way that Brian Epstein and George Martin were considered 5th members of The Beatles- Hannett and Gretton were instrumental in their success and it could be argued that Joy Division (and subsequently New Order) never would have made it if it weren’t for those two

[@RikiNewtonMusicianSongwriter]

I knew and loved Martin a lot - and totally gutted when he passed. His funeral was both somber and farcical in equal measure. I also knew and recorded with Andrew Batty who is the guy helping Martin in this footage. Andy was a head case but super intelligent - who supposedly was bouncing signals off the moon 🌙 at the tender and rather precocious age of 13 ! Martin was a special guy tho who will always have a place in my heart. Wilson mentions Chris Nagall (may be misspelled ?) as the engineer but I’m convinced it is actually Andy Batty - who was probably standing in for him that day. Plus I know Martin liked Andy and knew he was talented and worth nurturing - unfortunately Andy had psychological issues and was diagnosed schizophrenic. Often wondered what became of him ? I could tell you lots of stories - but - another time perhaps ? Thanx for reading 📖 my comments. Cheers 🥂. Rx

[@peternagy-im4be]

Working with Hannett must have been difficult?

[@kevinchamberlain7928]

no. you didn't

[@Sr19769p]

Thanks for your comment, dude. I recently read a book by Chris Hewitt who was his son about trying to understand who his Dad really was. I was really interested to learn Hannett was massively interested in buses and how they worked and how bus routes could be improved when he was in his early teens. According to the book, he wrote to the bus company and they took his suggestions on board. If you haven't read it already, it's very interesting reading: 'Pleasures Of The Unknown' 👍

[@kasperzak]

Thanks for the story!

[@soundguy3509]

Nope that's Chris Nagle engineering with Martin in this vid

[@rexmundi1570]

Hannett - as fundamental and crucial to Joy Division's sound and style as George Martin was to The Beatles.

[@tmantonytv1166]

No hannett was much more import to joy division!

[@Nominay]

@@tmantonytv1166 Oh bullshit.

[@zonasound]

yet peter hook admitted he didn't like most of hannetts mixes or production style. He felt hannett took away there raw club sound in favor of reverbs, efx sound design.....Now Peter Hook likes the albums...lol

[@nickyjames1985]

The Beatles were absolute shite

[@ustheserfs]

Spawned far more than that, it was the sound of an environment and culture.

[@kylabotting]

Genius producer. RIP Martin and Tony. xx

[@silverapples75]

joydivisiongirl Alan Erasmus is alive and well!

[@AnthonyMonaghan]

@Mark Richardson Pauline Murray is very much still alive...

[@timmcPherrin]

the man was brilliant and intuitive. it doesn't matter if you agree with each and every one of his mixing decisions, he was an innovator and an inspiration.

[@GhibliFan1]

Martin Hannett...truly an enigma, and the only bloke I ever knew who put weight on taking smack. RIP, and you Tony.

[@ostrichman]

pete doherty?

[@rexterrocks]

No, that's wrong. He put the weight on after he stopped the smack and started drinking.

[@MarknoblesAcidhouseparty]

smack has no bearing on your weight .... unlike coke and amphetamines etc

[@BlowinFree]

I’ve seen plenty of fat junkies

[@nickycotton6137]

Don't see many fat people who inject a lethal Drug into their femoral tbh

[@simonguitarman]

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! This is a rare film of a genius at work!

[@colossalberger]

Martin Hannett is an example of how influential producers can really be in shaping the overall sound/feel/direction of an artist's work. His influence shaped post-punk and industrial.

[@DavidGillodes]

Geniuses. They invented the sound of a generation.

[@jeffblack5024]

It's hard to describe how unique 'Unknown Pleasures' sounded in the late 70s. We were used to drums sounding like dead cardboard boxes. And then comes Martin with artificial spaces for each drum and modern production was invented. It's easy for me as a computer music producer nowadays. Just load snare preset and tweak it to fit. But this man knew exactly what he was doing, what equipment he needed (some still being invented). what the equipment did and how to patch it in to what he was going for. I love how he stops Tony from asking dumb questions ( which, to be fair, was his job) by asking something subversive of his own. Definitely not a technican - an artist and sculptor of sound at work.

[@alexhope3734]

"hello Martin wanker" "hello Wilson wanker " "im not a lump of hash"

[@JimJWalker]

"Make it sound more yellow" - Hannett

[@scottlebrun6782]

No, how about more cocktail party.

[@dorengarcia5097]

I've mentioned the Hannett "play it faster but slower" quote to my musician friends and they all know what it means. This is the first I've heard this quote... just as funny and just as right.

[@nodarkthings]

What key you playing that in, Syd? Syd Barrett: Yeah.

[@harrygibus]

He was probably a synesthete.

[@underdawg2743]

@@harrygibus does he smell colours too?

[@juiceterry67]

Dear lord, this is amazing.

[@Busbybeats]

Thanks for positng this. A true genius of sound. I love his approach to drums and drumming, using effects to create artificial resonance as opposed to boring room sounds and having the drums play beats with few annoying fills. I am a drummer and I hate most modern drumming, too many fills don't pay the bills.

[@kristianTV1974]

One of the few times Tony Wilson is outsmarted in public - and knows it. Love them both though.

[@sachmotee]

That was fascinating. I don't think I've seen any live footage of Hannet talking. Really was an amazing producer. Thanks so much for posting.

[@carlkamuti]

"What's a gate?" "As it's name suggests it's something that opens and closes."

[@TheHeman3]

There's always a f**k head who quotes the video.

[@ozmarichardson6524]

@@TheHeman3 and there's always another one in the replies

[@TheHeman3]

@@ozmarichardson6524 well, if that's how you want to describe yourself.....

[@jozefserf2024]

He remembered tone colour, and now his work will be remembered.

[@stephenowens8398]

Walked past Strawberry studio many times on my way to the pub, nice to see the inside!

[@8068]

Hannett and his AMS DMX 15-80 (at time mark 4:30). Dove into several of my old equipment racks and located my DMX 15-80S and RMX-16. Powered both up to see if they still worked. Amazingly, both came to life with no problems. Have them both going for a couple of days now. Started to run signal through both early this morning.... they REALLY do define a generation.

[@asok222]

Pauline Murray and the Invisible Girls - The Visitor thats the name of the track, Vinny Riley on guitar

[@harrypalmer3481]

The more I learn about Tony Wilson it appears that he facilitated & generously promoted many people & talent.

[@attackinberlin5895]

2 months after Ian’s passing

[@andrewaboulton]

The Wayne mentioned at 0:44 is Wayne Hussey later of Dead Or Alive, The Sisters Of Mercy and The Mission!

[@PabloSciutoMusic]

A great influence, total admiration.

[@Davo-007]

I know the Person who now owns the drum machine they made Blue Monday on! It's now in Australia but was acquired by chance when their little known band did some recording at Cargo studios in Rochdale. Showed me a picture of it actually via Facebook. Great to see such iconic equipment from back in the day.

[@strictlydubwise]

@Rydo182 It's Chris Nagel at the desk -- he produced a bunch of Factory stuff after Hannett left (Crispy Ambulance and Section 25, among others), and also produced some heavy punk stuff at Strawberry around the same time, including Blitz's 'Voice of a Generation' and a couple of GBH albums. It's cool finally to see what he looked like after listening to his productions for so many decades.

[@edsmit1]

Thanks for putting this out there. I've never actually seen Martin on any videos, they don't even have any in the Joy Division documentary.

[@datemonthyear]

fascinating- watching the person and the process..

[@callmeace3112]

Thankyou very much for sharing this video.

[@ian_occultist]

0.45 "Wayne's Guitar" is Wayne Hussey x

[@noiralex1]

Hannett gave Joy Division their particular sound the experiment with new snare sounds and effects that vasteland he criated with reverb and Closer is just the conclusion of all he learned giving J.D a Masterpiece of an album.

[@vicfromyer8376]

Walked up to strawberry studios the other day..sadly now closed..nice plaque on the wall...some amazing sounds recorded there over the years

[@hyllaf]

Whereabouts?

[@BillyJango]

Its great to see footage of Martin Hannett, ive read about him, its good to put a face to the name.

[@murphsup]

It's earlier than 1983, the Pauline Murray LP came out in 1981 I think. But its thrilling - one of very few recordings of Hannett and the only one I know on video. One of the greatest ever producers!

[@dimitrikissoff]

Thanks for your comments and the correction. The Betamax tape this clip was from had 1983 scribbled on it - but it was a collection of a few things. I knew it was early 80's. I'll correct it to July '80. All the best

[@bdfunke]

TheGooners11 why does he owe you that?

[@murphsup]

It may need a further correction! Wikipedia notes that Wayne Hussey was only recruited at the end of 1980 and this track The Visitor was not on the album (neither was Searching for Heaven for which it was an extra track on the 10"). So it points to recording end of 1980 / early 1981 after the main album was recorded.

[@MiniLemmy]

“I want £50 an hour and be a partner in the company”

[@lizclegg7556]

"See ya"

[@GhostWarmth]

50 quid AN HOUR 😃

[@MiniLemmy]

Janne Regelin Reference to ‘24hr party people’

[@GhostWarmth]

MiniLemmy yes, in the movie he says fifty quid an hour.

[@iker8010]

Wilson you wanker!!

[@dorengarcia5097]

I think Martin did his best work with John Cooper Clarke. I believe he played with the Invisible Girls a bit. The sound of that band is so open, its like Miles Davis in structure. --- As they say in Hollywuud, "God made it click." Sometimes the magic happens... and then its over. The elusive god made it click.

[@rexterrocks]

That's the 'Invisible girls' he's mixing. He says ''That's Waynes guitar'' , meaning Wayne Hussey.

[@Richard_P_James]

4 band EQ that comes free with the desk ;-)

[@gjhgjhgjhgvhgvhgvhgv4877]

He’s such a cynical fucker...

[@humanchannel7825]

@@gjhgjhgjhgvhgvhgvhgv4877 he comes across as very difficult but also knows what he’s doing

[@Handlebar-MustDash]

...... you paid for every knob, potentiometer and slider. You pays your money, you gets your sound, t'was ever thus.

[@suspicioususer]

"Sounds like Bowie" "You like Bowie?" "I fucking hate Bowie"

[@000MENZ000]

A true genius at work

[@dimitrikissoff]

The LP was Pauline Murray's Invisible Girls from 1980. Chris Nagle is next to Martin, though someone said he looks like Stone Roses guitarist John Squire

[@krisscanlon4051]

Tbone Burnette and John Cougar while recording in the 2000s said they were obsessed with drum sounds in their 80s production days. Nick Lowe said he finally escaped the tyranny of the snare drum in the 2000s! Love Martin's detail to it all...telling his detail. A minor master class here.

[@jumofi]

Nice to see 2 guys from Closer's session together, Martin Hannet and Chris Nagle.

[@vicmccall3901]

This is just delightful and charming.

[@logonazo]

Martin Hannett & Conrad Plank i love both very very much

[@donnybrooklads]

His work with Vini Reilly on the debut The Durutti Column album was great. "...he more or less got sounds for me that no one else could understand that I wanted. And he understood that I wanted to play the electric guitar but I didn't want this horrible distorted, usual electric guitar sound and he managed to get that."

[@peterfitton4529]

Can't you get that sound by, I dunno, not overdriving the amp in the first place? That's how everyone else since the 1950s onwards has achieved a non-distorted guitar sound.

[@antigen4]

in the factory records documentary he said the EXACT OPPOSITE though - that hannett made his guitar sound all thin and reedy when he wanted it lush and rich etc

[@lauracipollone294]

​@@antigen4 I mean I've always thought Vini didn't like Hannett's work on the Durutti Column's first album. I thought I had read or heard him say that. Then I started reading the opposite

[@darthpaul]

2 of the worlds greatest modern geniouses!

[@drstevie]

Great footage.

[@Adamtfrank]

Excellent imagine working with them. Those echo boxesm I would love to record there

[@rexterrocks]

Sadly long gone. We've lost so many great studios to digital.

[@dosvillegas]

wow this is a totally jewel, also martin's sister commenting it, wow wow wow,incredible, cheers from mexico!!!

[@thiaanthony]

And over the road from Strawberry studios is a green mound. This was a great little cluband disco in the 1960s,...known first as the Tabernacle, and then Sgt Peppers. Tony used to go there. Masses of 1960s muscians appeared there...Jimi Hendrix, CAT STEVENS, Pink Floyd, Amen Corner/Love Affair,etc.. You would never know. Whereas in Liverpool, the Cavern(rebuilt), is a permanent monument to the 1960s. You can still feel the aura as you walk past!!

[@soundbringer]

Yeah Kris Scanlon! I learnt to make music like that in the 90s.. and the 70s tools sounded so great, that's why I just got a studer A807 from the bbc yesterday and Martin's Bass and Kick mic, an AKG D25 from an auction..! and more! come record some songs!

[@krisscanlon4051]

thank you get your record on buddy!

[@Emperor_Hawk]

A lot of legends came from here.

[@wattage2007]

Good to hear his opinions on the snare drum. Thought it was just me that had the snare twice as loud as everything else in the mix!

[@hobodivine]

Thank you so much for posting!

[@Stereolabdream]

great archive footage. Martin loved his echo!

[@Factory051]

great clip. i love the way tony tries to tease more in depth explanations from Martin, yet martin knows the average viewer is gonna have no idea as to what he's bangin' on about.

[@jeanfatale]

Like how they show pictures microphone patterns again and again without saying one word about microphones.

[@murphsup]

Correction - the Pauline Murray LP being made here was recorded at Strawberry in July 1980. Immeasurable thanks for digging out this clip

[@leoa4c]

Which song is it exactly?

[@murphsup]

@@leoa4c The Visitor, which didn't make the original album but crept out as one of the bonus tracks on the 10" of Searching for Heaven.

[@murphsup]

So in fact it dates the piece to end of 1980 / early 1981, if Wikipedia is correct that Wayne Hussey was only recruited at the end of 1980 the tracks with him on must have been added after that date!

[@leoa4c]

​@@murphsup Thank you. I managed to hunt it down. I've been having this bastard in my head since I first heard it. I'm failing to understand why it did not make its way into the album. It has some Supertramp in its shape... a very distant, very diluted Pink Floyd vibe... and, of course, coming from Hannett, you can clearly notice the Joy Division in it. It's an absolute winner!

[@biggerflexible]

Thanks for the post.

[@GEricG]

Martin Hannett and Joe Meek were amazing innovators - both also sadly died way too soon.

[@_Snapper]

Martin Hannett is a genuis

[@Squab1972]

R.I.P Martin Hannet and Tony Wilson

[@kristianTV1974]

RIP Manchester being the amazing musical force they once were. A resurgence is long overdue.

[@pietrobonaiti8553]

is that console also an Helios like Strawberry Studios had before the 76? I read that from 76 the studio opened a new area (the Strawberry South) where Hannet worked, the original Helios console was red, but this is black, does anyone know the exact model? Just curiosity

[@MartinHannett_]

I have found an answer to my own question. Chris Hewitt of Ozit has a copy of the original video from television archive!

[@thestr8person]

The knowledge that we lost when Hannet died is gone forever, and now we have computer software and about 3 "songwriters" (I heard) to produce 90% of everything you'll hear promoted by the monolithic corporations. The idea that all the hooks from proven classic hits have been put in a computer to be simply tweeked a little for each track to make a 3 minute hook is abhorant to me, and the lyrics also. *True story* my daughter uploader biebers last album on to my tablet so she could move it to her device but she left it there! (it's happened before and I ended up loving BMTH "sempiternal" album for all the beginning of 2015), anyway I kept hearing that this bieber album was incredible so I thought I'd be a snob if I didn't listen to it! But damn! That computer generated song thing I was saying earlier is so so true!! You can here the artificialness in every track!! It's a sad state of affairs but on the bright side I do see more kids with guitars busking in the street to make their pocket money and some are pretty dam good. Maybe it's time the technology went and simple acoustic skills make a return! Wouldn't be so bad!

[@Handlebar-MustDash]

Hallelujah to that!

[@DeclanLee-v4q]

You are why I like hanging out with older people lol

[@MartinHannett_]

Actually the whole reason he fell out with Factory was because he wanted to buy a Fairlight CMI, one of the very first computer controlled samplers. Tony and the rest decided on a night club, which he thought was just totally wrong. And he was right. Source: Tony Wilson interview on KZbin.

[@rdubb77]

Eh, that's a bit simplistic I think. A Firelight CMI cost a ton, for sure, but less than a club, including upkeep and running of a club.

[@FireMinstrel]

@zephyra Maybe it's just as well New Order didn't get filthy rich right away. Didn't Peter Hook develop a substance abuse problem? Having that kind of money might have made it even worse. We didn't need another member of Joy Division dying on us...

[@ioannist.5568]

A-class aesthetics and unique sound, is the goal that any producer-engineer should achieve when working with talented musicians. Sadly, these days everything sounds so robotic and polished. I think we've lost the essence of music

[@plooopymops]

Is that Mick Fleetwood sitting second from the right in the first couple of seconds?

[@krisscanlon4051]

Yes it is

[@peterfitton4529]

I remember seeing this when it was first broadcast. This video cuts out just before Tony Wilson turns to Fleetwood and asks him if he was impressed by the studio technology shown in the film, that could effectively turn a recording studio into a church. An extremely unimpressed looking Fleetwood replied: "no, I'd rather just record in a church".

[@plooopymops]

@@peterfitton4529 Nice one, thanks for the reply. I was half joking when I wrote that, so it was him after all!

[@peterfitton4529]

@@plooopymops Yep. He was probably on the show to promote a Fleetwood Mac gig in Manchester or something. Pretty sure he didn't go on the show to talk about Martin Hannett. This show was only broadcast in the north west of England, btw.

[@TheSnowballEarth]

Twenty years since he passed away, 18 April 1991. RIP, Martin.

[@RossBayCult]

30 years now in 2021. Time flies

[@rexmundi1570]

Pauline Murray and the Invisible Girls at 5.30min point.

[@thegreenbastard5171]

Name of the song do you know?

[@furtherrecordstv]

@@thegreenbastard5171 The Visitor kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWq5mHiGhKl1m5o&

[@kristopherscanlon2058]

absolutw genius. created the sound. just a sheen of ice yet danceable. the cold winds of the north informed this man and few other on the other side of the booth. starts with playing the studio and working with a band. accept no substitute.

[@krisscanlon4051]

Oh my on my old account...hmmm yrs later...like my now

[@diegoleylandia]

"Course it's an art form, but it's also something else. ... It's a living."

[@scatterkeir]

Interesting that he mentioned 'Wayne's guitar' near the start, I thought Wayne Hussey was only on the post-album single Searching For Heaven, which this track isn't, obviously I was wrong!

[@antigen4]

any idea what this track IS? a bit after the fact i know

[@scatterkeir]

@@antigen4 it's by Pauline Murray and the Invisible Girls, one of the tracks from their self-titled album iirc but I can't remember which.

[@antigen4]

@@scatterkeir thanks - i actually managed to figure that out - voice sounds like hers - mostly - but i couldn't seem to find the track either ... hmm - maybe it wasn't used? this sounds much nicer than their other music somehow

[@murphsup]

It's The Visitor, an extra track on the 10" of Searching for Heaven so you are on the right track! As Wayne was recruited at the end of 1980 it was recorded then or early 1981 so after the album

[@scatterkeir]

@@murphsup Wouldn't have been that hard for me to find that out, but I'm so lazy I waited thirteen years for someone else to do it :D

[@HiTokyoBen]

I love this interview "The next part is called getting the EQ right" "What's a gate!?" love it

[@garrybaldy327]

"Martin, what are you doing?" "Recording silence" "You're recording silence?" "Well, not now. Now I'm recording Tony fucking Wilson"

[@sallycinamon1275]

Tony Wilson was the Bridget Jones of television reporting in the 7'0s. Great bloke. Pauline Murray and the Invisible Girls were ridiculously overlooked.

[@hotsoupism]

Master at work...

[@waragainstsleepmusic]

I remember that control room - it used to have stone cladding even in the late 80s

[@Entuber2]

A crucial band member!

[@mikeyfreedom144]

What’s a parametric mid-range when it’s at home for the weekend?

[@RolandoRatas]

He just seems genius level with his sound engineering skills

[@fractaljack]

Martin was simply a conduit of sonic mysteries made audible for the rest of us. His vision has never been replicated...and never will be. The TRUE genius of factory records.

[@mickeybaumann]

merry x mas 2014 , martin...................................................................

[@pesnevim1626]

So funny to see those massive reverbs in the cellar. Now you can have them for 200 quid as plug ins. They were beautiful though. Great vid. Thx.

[@philipswain4122]

Hannett was a bone fide genius

[@MartinHannett_]

Interestingly, tracks 8 and 17 of Martin Hannett Maverick Producer, Genius and Musciscan has extremely high quality short snippets of things Martin says in this clip (the album is on Spotify if you want to listen). I wonder if they have the original film reel of this recording, although the sound is very high quality so quite puzzling.

[@petemarr824]

I think the production you hear is Pauline Murray and The Invisible Girls.. (correct me if i am wrong)

[@joseandrade1625]

❤JOY DIVISION❤ thankyou too, Martin Hannett.

[@cl9826]

What's the piece on top of the DMX15-80? a 1U rack unit in the 80's, surely not an early reverb.

[@ShawnBarnesbass]

I believe it's a Marshall Time Modulator (model 5002).

[@The_Vile_Vortices]

@@ShawnBarnesbass Correctomondo! indeed it is.

[@scottlebrun6782]

I could see where Hannett must have been so annoyed by Tony Wilson. Wilson managed to serve up lots of backhanded insults and didn't see the value in production hence the reason for building a club rather than a studio.

[@odw_99]

Makes you wonder what the history of Factory would’ve looked like if they have had built a studio instead, maybe Hannett wouldn’t have got so heavily into drugs and New Order would have had the money to back up their success- maybe they’d still be together in their original form now, crazy to think

[@wishdasher]

What tune are they mixing?

[@ShawnBarnesbass]

'The Visitor' by Pauline Murray and the Invisible Girls

[@ivansime9127]

Why does Martin remind me of the guy from Alan Partridges knowing me knowing you the one with the glasses in episode one

[@markduncan3806]

Haha. Am I right..... Yer not wrong. Patrick marber would ve made a great hammett lol

[@mikestephens1982]

"This 4 band EQ here; free with the desk"

[@thaevoluchaz]

genius

[@industrias.calefactor]

Does anyone know what kind of equipment is at the cellar? those wooden boxes.

[@ShawnBarnesbass]

Those are EMT 140 plate reverbs. They are also referred to as 'echo plates' which is what he's calling them in this video.

[@dimitrikissoff]

Hi Liz, Me too (I knew I had the tape somewhere). I can remember the very first time I saw Martin. He was standing at the bottom of the stairs in UMIST Union about 1968/9 I think. Bob Dylan Blonde on Blonde hair, centre of attention. Seeing him being so Martin on the tape (sort of 'what's the camera doing here, oh I suppose I'll have to carry on with this...' reminded me just how he was. Most of my Beta tapes are a bit perished, but luckily not this one...