Martin Heidegger, Plato's Doctrine of Truth | Four Dwelling Places in the Allegory | Core Concepts

[@gpalmer456]

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[@JimJWalker]

I am reading "Being in Time", but while reading it I am writing a "learning journal" where I try to restate what I have learned in my own words. I have found this extremely useful. I hope this idea is useful in some way for others.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yes, that sort of approach can be useful

[@wcropp1]

Thanks again Dr. Sadler. Your videos are indispensable for us nerds who love studying philosophy in our free time! I’m sure you have a lot on your plate, but an interesting idea I had recently was a video(s) discussing the seemingly-influential thinkers and their works that have been lost over time? Maybe touch on what they may have contained in cases where we possess fragments or references. Obviously that would be a lot to cover, but a cursory overview of what little we know about the major ones would be awesome. Maybe a series of short videos? They would obviously have to be largely speculative. Perhaps one day? Think about it!

[@GregoryBSadler]

Well, if I ever do that, it would be in my other channel, History of Ideas

[@oshinoedan5666]

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[@john-sw9bu]

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[@thenowchurch6419]

Thanks again. Great job Dr Sadler. For me the Cave allegory is about waking up to the reality of being bred in a societal matrix of unquestioned conditioning and opinions and doing the work to be free. The content here supports my thesis that both Hegel and Heidegger's thought have close parallels with the doctrines and practices of Hermetic Initiation of the Western Esoteric tradition such as Alchemy, Qabala and Rosicrucianism, all of which were influences on Freemasonry. The common idea is rising to higher levels or degrees of understanding and vision, which corresponds roughly with the different "dwellings" and how this is a tedious and gradual process that must be nurtured and cultivated. Keep the good work.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad you enjoy the videos

[@wcropp1]

thenowchurch Interesting. Do you care to elaborate on this at all? I’m familiar with some of the ideas of the western esoteric tradition and its history, and I agree that there are indeed some parallels. What I wonder, though, is whether the parallel is mostly in the goal of understanding and growth, individuation, etc., or is there also some parallel in the methodology? Most of the esoteric tradition seems to be more of an exegesis of heterodox religious/mystical traditions. Do you think they were more akin to an “underground theology?” Or was it just a big syncretism of everything spiritual that could be found at the time, with an acknowledgement of certain perennial themes, a la the New Age movement, etc. Does the esoteric tradition make certain metaphysical or epistemological assumptions that philosophy would question? Do you think the influence ran both ways, in the past if not now? People speculate on the influence that the ancient Mysteries may have had on philosophy. One wonders how deep the influence goes, with the anti-foundationalist and scientific-minded philosophy being done in the recent past. Religion and science now have to fight over philosophy in many ways, it seems.

[@thenowchurch6419]

wcropp1. I believe the link is in the goals and some descriptions of the various higher states, not so much in terms of methodology. The esoteric schools have formal forms of meditation and contemplation whereas most philosophers did their own personal contemplation without the expertise from ancient traditions of meditation. Another area of commonality is where people like Hegel, Schopenhauer , Nietzsche and Heidegger all had some knowledge of Buddhist teachings or came up with conceptions very much akin to them. The Western esoteric schools also knew of Buddhism and have similar realizations couched in a Western style. An example is the eternal present moment teaching of Zen Buddhism has it's correlates in Rosicrucian texts and myths like Parsifal where times is said to stand still and one can see the past and future possibilities simultaneously. So I see it as indeed an underground theology for those who have exhausted the lower material level interpretations of popular religion and theology and are ready for the individuation process in which they must personally experience their unity with the All. There are specific streams of esoteric tradition which in modern times have adopted some syncretism in an attempt to show the foundational commonality of human spirituality and to relate to people of various races and religions. The Golden Dawn of 19th century Britain for example. Certainly the esoteric schools make claims that philosophy would question, but the better ones do not insist on their claims so much as encourage personal practice and experiment. What Hegel , Heidegger et al were missing was a methodology for deep introspection and a well honed methodology and system for interpreting numbers, colors and symbolism as in the Qabala. I think it only supports both approaches that the philosophers came up with much the same conclusions without schooling in Hermetic mystery schools. What I understand as New Age is a very anti-intellectual, cheap Mc Spirituality that is a waste of time. What are your thoughts ?

[@wcropp1]

thenowchurch Great response! I didn’t notice until you responded that you had also commented on a “discussion” I was having on the Jorjanj/Heidegger video. Seems we have some common interests! I largely agree with what you said. I was, at one time, pretty anti-religion and anything like it. Though my world-view is still very grounded in scientific thinking, or at least I like to think so, I have become more spiritual in recent years, though it is an eclectic mix of my own choosing. I largely have my girlfriend to thank for this-she is a wonderful woman, and has improved my life immensely-as well as my continued study of philosophy. Now I fancy myself as being less under the spell of logical positivism, and more a fan of neutral monism and William James’s “radical empiricism.” To keep from going too off topic and writing a mini-bio, I will just say that I think the modern distinction between religion, philosophy, and science is rather anachronistic when applied to the past. Esotericism, mysticism, religion, and science all have some sort of philosophy at their core-they’re just popular and/or around long enough to become schools or movements with associated practices and traditions, as you said. There are surprising commonalities among many of these traditions, but I believe that ignoring all the subtle differences can do a disservice to the thought as well. I do think some of the details associated with religion or the esoteric, if taken too literally, can become a bit speculative for my taste. Though I consider myself spiritual, I’m still not real big on unqualified faith. Everyone has some kind of metaphysical beliefs, though, and I think some are more conducive to flourishing than others. So, long story short, I like cherry picking based on what I feel to be true. I suppose I am a sort of Hegelian when it comes to these things. I believe one can have a modern spirituality that is more true and complete than what has come before, scientifically and morally, etc. Science may one day vindicate many of the traditional practices of various contemplative traditions, as has been happening with certain aspects of Buddhism as of late. I see all three-religion, science, and philosophy-as distinct but also mutually interdependent, and ultimately hovering around a common Truth that is both greater than us and a part of us. Different perspectives with a different emphasis, using different metaphors, more or less precise thought/language, but all pointing to the same ineffable Goodness and Truth we all-hopefully-aspire to achieve.

[@thenowchurch6419]

wcropp 1. Cheers. I tend to try my best to use critical thinking and science along with empiricism and personal phenomenology. That combination has led me to explore just about every esoteric and exoteric tradition through personal study and some participation in formal but more informal groups. From all those experiences and personal synchronicities that seem way too out of proportion to be just coinicidence, I have chosen my own mix that I call Cosmic Rastafari Alchemy and sometimes the Temple of the Eternal Now. Practice is essential in my system. Daily meditation, some ritual, study and making the world a better place in your special way. I just noticed that you subbed at my channel. I thank you for that honor. Peace and blessings bro. Drop a line when you like. Ras Ber.

[@RomanDobs]

I was actually earning to watch this without know it existed I wasn’t aware Heidegger had any time or patience for Plato but I love Plato’s allegory of the cave it inspired my novel .

[@GregoryBSadler]

Heidegger gave entire semester courses on some Platonic dialogues

[@dimitryratulangieichwanb.e1156]

Hi there Greg! Thank you for the video. I was wondering if you can help me with something. I am currently writing a thesis on the philosophy of home and I'd like to understand more about Heidegger's concept of dwelling. I've read his article (Building, Dwelling, Thinking), but I was wondering if you can reference me other concepts about dwelling that can help me with my thesis, particularly on how we can understand the concept of home. Thanks again!

[@GregoryBSadler]

That would be academic coaching. My first openings for new clients would be in November

[@MrMarktrumble]

What it is un-hidden(a-lethia) is the "whatness" of the thing (latin quiddity...the essence, the generic type, the species...). "Having one gaze fixed on the limit of things" Dwelling in the realm of ...essences? (ideos?)or concrete individual things? It is not the case that the token is the type, or type is solely any one of each tokens. . What is the German word for the open? Does this become a H technical term ( I think I have seen it before) . But since Aquinas, there has been a distinction between being (esse) and essence(ens) and no doubt H is aware of this. Very good lecture. I plan to purchase this work of H and read this essay.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Glad you enjoyed it. There's a few more coming

[@vladimirbacha6205]

Is there is anyone here who has watched all 384 of the core concept videos? If there is someone I want to ask him/her how much time it has taken them to watch them all?

[@GregoryBSadler]

I expect that by the time someone answers, there will be more of them

[@dirkblabla]

Vladimir Bacha I'm still on it. Not nearly there yet.

[@Retrogamer71]

Hurrah for Rob.

[@danskiver6819]

I'm always amazed this allegory is not connected with language. Clearly we can see words are like shadows uttered by the politicians/shadow casters keeping the governed from seeing and experiencing freedom and the good.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Are you sure nobody has connected it with language?

[@danskiver6819]

Gregory B. Sadler: we know the shadow casters and the dim lite fire but I don't know of anyone else who has crawled out of the cave and seen the multidimensional realm that drives our language. It's a poorly informed matrix that we are constantly trying to re-informed for the betterment of all. It's scaled by good and evil instead of physical dimensions. The problem is it's hard to cave dwellers.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Have you read around much in Plato? He actually spends quite a bit of time discussing language in a number of the dialogues. That would get you started.

[@danskiver6819]

Gregory B. Sadler: I just have time to get a flavor of different philosophies, besides there's a guy on KZbin that does all that work.👍I like looking for what others are missing. What I found is there's 2 exists out of plato's cave 1) The physical cave dweller escapes into the physical world. 2) The cave dwellers conscious escapes into a matrix of possibilities. In this time space scaled by good and evil we imagine a better world than what Plato's philosopher kings create for us. The allegory of the cave blends some of these ideas but I see 2 distinct exists into 2 different realms.

[@brianking8190]

Great job, Dr. Sadler, of summarizing Heidegger! As you mentioned, he kinda botched the translation and thus somehow misinterpreted the third and the fourth affectations of the soul. He φlunked out on that one. I'm talking capital "Φ". But that's okay...because he was a school administrator, and he became a Nazi...and because his mentor was brilliant, and Jewish, and was displaced from the very same institution wherein Heidegger himself had ascended to peerage...Heidegger cannot reach the fourth affectation with a mind like that. Surely, he never visited the third affectation - not even in his dreams. ***Heidegger's Whole Epistemology in 5 seconds: "German language is the medium by which we can assign new and original thoughts to Ancient Greek and Ancient Egyptian writers, silencing them by defaming their prose." Jury: We, the members of this jury -- and notwithstanding the defendant's unsubstantiated claims of peerage -- do find the defendant GUILTY as to Count 1 of the indictment.***

[@GregoryBSadler]

I don't think Heidegger "botched" the translation.