Martin Scorsese on Sam Raimi's Spider-Man (2003 Interview)

My crappy phone-filmed version has gone viral on the interent. Figured I may as well upload the actual HD quality version. Plus additional context for what he was saying.
From a 3 part documentary series entitled "A Decade Under the Influence" produced by IFC and directed by Ted Demme. Several major cinematic figures discuss the impact of cinema in the 1970s and how it shaped cinema for better or for worse going forward.
In this clip, Scorsese speaks on Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, at the time the biggest opening weekend of all time, and how he's happy for the film's success as he's a fan of Sam Raimi, but that the bigger the success, the more Hollywood studios want to chase that big success and not waste time or money on smaller films.

[@adamsinclair1959]

It annoys me so much how people simplify his stance to ‘he hates superhero movies’, he clearly appreciates good filmmaking no matter the genre or budget, he just doesn’t like the current business model that Marvel and other companies are using.

[@user-wf4wp8im1n]

He likes movies from authors, not from producers and suits from companies, that's the problem. MCU is a produced project where directors and screenwriters almost don't have any freedom and anything to say to the viewers. Raimi Spider-Man is a high budget movie but still he had a lot of freedom shooting it until SM3 and even there he was told to include Venom and everything else he did by himself. He even wrote a script.

[@zoetropeguardian]

​@@user-wf4wp8im1n Nailed it.

[@AshrafAnam]

​@@user-wf4wp8im1nAs Zack Snyder said couple of times, he prefers "director-made movies" over "movies made by the committee" (MCU)

[@reeereeebriieee8661]

​@@AshrafAnam stop commenting on Zack Snyder, he is no where near a good director.

[@gmenezesdea]

Not only that, marvel dominates the industry now and everything that's not them gets pushed aside. Even wildly popular and valuable stuff. And the audience largely becomes conditioned to that kind of filmmaking and numb to all else. That's what he's criticizing.

[@TonyGoldmark]

Martin Scorsese lives his entire life at 1.5x speed.

[@wunderwalze]

I had to check my speed settings

[@KenMasters.]

Fun Fact: Scorsese loves a cup of coffee, before that… He was into coke, and I don't mean the soda.

[@Ahmed-Interrupted]

​@@KenMasters.I consider coffee to be a diet coke!

[@TheViolentPacifist999]

​@@Ahmed-Interrupted Diet cocaine?

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

😂

[@memesouls8653]

Bro predicted the business model of the MCU essentially

[@thesandwichthesandwich]

"predict" he said what was happening? If I see a boulder about to fall on you and I yell out "look out for that boulder!" Did I "predict" that boulder was gonna fall on you?

[@Jarod45]

​@@thesandwichthesandwich ((Predict - VERB - say or estimate that (a specified thing) will happen in the future or will be a consequence of something.)) You saw a boulder about to fall, you warned your friend based on the prediction that it would land on them. If you're going to be pedant at least be right.

[@gamerdude4465]

And they earned money, they created special place in hearts of billions. What did you do? Who tf are you even?!

[@memesouls8653]

@@gamerdude4465 Lmao what do I have to do with anything I said. I fail to see the point you’re trying to argue. Calm down buddy.

[@zeboimcitizen27]

This has always been how Hollywood film-making has worked though. Yea, maybe he technically "predicted" the MCU business model - but the MCU business model is just what Hollywood has always been doing from the beginning because that's how Hollywood works.

[@witchingbrew3]

Spiderman just felt beloved. Like the director really took time to polish a story and bring it to the big screen. It felt like a box office movie but a superhero to. It felt like a great balance.

[@barney7822]

RIP Laura Ziskin and Alvin Sargent

[@jorgedu6]

And with great balance comes great money

[@user-uo8mx3cv5k]

Scorsese doesn't hate superhero movies, he hates that greedy studio is out to milk it until what they produce becomes soulless cash grabs. But when the artists working on it are passionate about the material, he's not gonna dismiss that quality

[@barney7822]

#IBlameAviArad

[@lordtwiglet4068]

Precisely. Plus Raimi's Spider-Man was actually a great film unlike the MCU tripe.

[@eliascrooker7773]

Nah he's just jealous

[@modest_mind2526]

This interview was conducted in 2003 tho.

[@henocksherlock3340]

​@@eliascrooker7773who would be jealous of constant capeshit milk? Nobody's into your lousy leftie rant on big screen🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@matrix-5466]

It’s important to note that Scorsese is not a Superhero movie hater, the reason he dislikes the MCU is because how corporate the movies are. A good movie is a good movie no matter if it is a superhero, action, video game, or any genre film.

[@eliascrooker7773]

He's an idiot.

[@reeereeebriieee8661]

​@@eliascrooker7773 How old are you? Go watch some good movies, you have consumed to much superhero movies.

[@javiersanmartin8429]

But MCU sucks for any and every reason also

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

There's plenty of good MCU movies though? Are we going to do the revisionist history and say all MCU movies suck? Lol

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

​@@reeereeebriieee8661Because good movies and superhero movies can't overlap. /s

[@benjackson103]

Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies are absolutely incredible. Best superhero movies ever made.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

RIP Laura Ziskin and Alvin Sargent

[@lickenhuntsman5338]

Absolutely Lot better than its follow ups like MCU and Nolan Batman

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

Not a superhero movie fan in the least, but Tim Burton's Batman 1 & 2 and Richard Donner's Superman are far superior.

[@dailyvideo7711]

@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119yeah, not even close, Spider Man 2 is a superior film than any of the ones that you mentioned.

[@spuriusscapula4829]

Dark Knight is in a class of its own, no matter who calls it "overrated" or whatever. And I love Raimi's Spiderman films.

[@outlawblack123]

Original Ironman was worthy of being called a film.

[@shardsoftime0952]

100%

[@stingerlvl3]

Yes I thought it was an entertaining superhero movie when it came out, unfortunately it created the MCU monstrosity.

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

Winter Soldier too

[@TheMamaluigi300]

It *was* Iron Man. Duuun duuun duun duun duun, dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun duun duun duun

[@davedarius7346]

NO​@@user-vi4xy1jw7e

[@CineRanter]

Scorsese is completely right in his stance on Superhero films

[@michaeledwards6683]

hey! my favorite sopranos youtuber

[@nedmode9412]

not really

[@Linklex7]

Even then you’re getting it wrong. He never thought Superhero movies were bad in general. Just the MCU, and he was right about the MCU.

[@michaeledwards6683]

@@Linklex7 the business model in general really

[@nedmode9412]

@@Linklex7 nah the mcu is good

[@alexsilva28]

Imagine being a director that started making low budget horror movies in the woods with your friends and Scorcese says he likes your work 💯

[@TheWatchersDance]

Some people just fundamentally misunderstood what Scorsese was saying. He was never against films about superheroes being made. He's against how they're made nowadays with assembly line-style rushed production, an overuse of CG that varies wildly in quality, very little to no sense of auteurism, increasingly ridiculous budgets and box office expectations, milked-dry franchising/monetization, "cinematic universes", etc.

[@prakharkirtijajoria5314]

He's also against the fact that smaller films are not getting distribution because of these big budget marvel films

[@shepardlovespi1446]

Nah he was salty.

[@bikramarora1819]

@@shepardlovespi1446salty about what?

[@assassin8636]

I disagree with this. You're just saying it as id was like the truth

[@RagingCookie127]

​@@shepardlovespi1446Yeah I'm sure the guy who made Raging Bull and Wolf of Wall Street is super salty. Without looking it up, would you even know who directed Avengers: Endgame and what else they've made? Doubt it.

[@LuisMedina1]

What's shitty is that a lot of modern superhero movies are so expensive because of extensive reshoots and studio notes. It's an abusive self-fulfilling prophecy: the film could be made for less money if they trusted the filmmakers and gave them time for proper pre-production, but they don't because execs prefer to give notes on actual edited footage than input on scripts and storyboards, which makes the movie so expensive that it has to perform a box office miracle to be profitable, which makes the execs even more jittery and likely to give notes. Just trust filmmakers. Give them time for pre-production. Allow for some unsafe choices. That's cinema, both blockbuster and arthouse and everything in between. Better to have a few movies that suck because some artists took a big swing than a lot of so-so ones made with fear.

[@jakelee7083]

You're forgetting 100 million dollar contracts for actors.

[@assassin8636]

Um how is that shitty

[@austinbrown2238]

@@assassin8636​​⁠Because art thrives off of taking risk. If in your genre, you are too afraid to try anything new, all that your going to get is generic, half-baked, box office flops. Aside from that, extensive shooting with execs breathing down your neck + micromanaging the direction sounds neither fun nor conducive to valuable film or art.

[@LuisMedina1]

​@@assassin8636 Because panic-induced notes is how you get tonal inconsistencies, bad VFX, lack of originality, this general "safe" flatness you see a lot. By trusting the filmmakers and fixing stuff in pre rather than in post, you end up making less expensive movies that have an easier time making profit, and you allow for interesting risks that energize the medium. There's always compromise in big budget movies, but the more neurotic, fear-based and fix-it-in-post it is, the shittier.

[@Ruylopez778]

I think they're too focused on test screenings and pleasing the 4 quadrants of the market.

[@doriane4393]

I'm sure he loved Spider-Man 2, and probably the Dark Knight trilogy Scorsese never said that he didn't like superhero films, what he doesn't like are films without artistic ambitions made by yes men with the sole purpose of making the most of money possible. 20 years ago, directors were much less parasitized by the demands of the studios, which is why we were able to have ambitious and personal films and not just consumer products.

[@ajordan2323]

Sounds like that’s your personal problems

[@AlbanianThrash]

honestly the dark knight trilogy aged like milk. the first one is just hilarious if you rewatch it. 100% a product of its time. The raimi spiderman movies are still the gold standard of super hero movies

[@ajordan2323]

@@AlbanianThrash from a factual standpoint, there’s nothing to support anything you just said dude. Sound kinda miserable honestly.. although I prefer the spiderman trilogy over Batman, the dark knight movie specifically wipes them all out. Batman begins is one of the best Batman movies ever.. lol you must be from this new era

[@AlbanianThrash]

@@ajordan2323 ok

[@Linklex7]

His beef was more against the MCU and the negative effects it had on Hollywood and he was absolutely correct

[@RobertJones-st3wj]

The days before superhero movies where in overkill. To be Sam Raimi's Spiderman and Christopher Nolan's Batman will always be the height of the genre

[@PleaseBeNiceToEachOther]

Logan was also very good

[@noobbotgaming2173]

The Batman was super good. Best depiction of Batman. We need filmmakers who understand these characters. Props to Matt Reeves. He didn't give in. He refused to depict Batman/Bruce Wayne as a kind guy who fights for 'jUSTiCe." No. Batman at his core is an edgy, dark, selfish lunatic who beats people to a pulp as his therapy for daddy and mommy issues.

[@thelel6591]

​@@noobbotgaming2173 😂 best description

[@radrno7]

​@@noobbotgaming2173 So... he made the best anti-Batman movie? Filmmaking was top notch (when you could see anything), but say "that's doing the character right"? Sure lol...

[@Jackfromshack]

@@noobbotgaming2173 it just means you doesn't understand Batman either

[@barney7822]

"GREED IS FOR AMATEURS"

[@ead630]

This really makes me wish more people had gone out to support Killers of the Flower Moon in theaters; it only made $157 million on a budget of $200 million. Yeah, it can still make some back with revenue from streaming and even a little from home video later on, but it does de-incentivize Apple and companies to make artful or serious movies.

[@seth8580]

I think it was just marketed very poorly, I didn’t even know it existed until it was already in cinemas

[@nickgordon3658]

kotfm was never gonna make back its budget an apple knew that. it was a prestige project for them to say they produced a scorsese movie.

[@davidgolbeck294]

Guess what? Killers of the Flower Moon would've been a box office smash if he made it with a modest budget. 200 million for people talking in rooms? Cmon Scorcese.

[@njyankeesfan]

Scorsese did the same thing with putting The Irishman, nearly a $200 million budget but a limited theatrical release while putting it on Netflix.

[@thekiss2083]

$200 million is an insane budget for a nonfiction pic with minimal special effects

[@flackjacket3dits]

Spiderman 2002 will always hold a special place in all the hearts of kids born from 1992-2002

[@FurianFlame129]

I'm just now realizing he's the pufferfish from shark tale

[@ArtLike]

He knew it would turn to shit. Simple as that. Quantity over quality is NEVER a good thing.

[@commandershepard9920]

This, 100000 %. The MCU (and superhero movies in general) don't HAVE to suck. But pumping out so many films so quickly just ruins it. I freaking love superheroes, but even I'm sick of it.

[@Ruylopez778]

Raimi, Nolan, Reeves and Lord & Miller just pay attention to genre with some actual vision to go with it.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯

[@joaquinnieto4237]

Wow first time hearing his voice and I thought it would've been deeper

[@VagrantMind]

he's a 5'4 Italian dude I mean I expected him to sound exactly like Joe Pesci

[@DiegoRodriguez-dw7pv]

Never seen Shark tale?

[@rizzo-films]

@@VagrantMind LMFAO very true. Also he talks faster than any other director I can think of.

[@IllegalSlut]

​@@rizzo-filmstarantino?

[@Andyfierd]

@@VagrantMindhe’s not Italian

[@sanjayraju988]

He appreciates good films, he was right about the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[@earlgrey9740]

The mf was in shark tale, "appreciates good movies" 😂😂

[@HGI1967ify]

@@earlgrey9740Bro needed that new car

[@RevaliHeeHo]

​@@earlgrey9740tbf, has he ever said that he liked the movie?

[@hazman5528]

No, he is right about the mcu post-endgame (with exceptions like NWH, GOTG3, Loki etc) Martin is completely wrong calling the mcu “not cinema” back in 2019 at that time however as the Infinity Saga is legendary.

[@AisarShamsul]

​@@hazman5528Can't Wait For Scorsese Fanboys Attacking You.

[@Paccyd33]

i like how back then everyone was defending the mcu and now we realise he was right the entire time lol

[@chasehedges6775]

How ironic.

[@Linklex7]

Oh I been bashing the MCU since Iron Man 3, ironically enough the first true Disney MCU film. Avengers was still considered Paramount at the time even if Disney had brought Marvel after Iron Man 2

[@chasehedges6775]

Since Iron Man3? I’ve known it was hit and miss/mediocre since Iron Man 2

[@westtribe1964]

Iron Man still remains a good movie. The Incredible Hulk also. It's maybe the only time in the history of the MCU that we felt a real change of tone from one movie to the other because almost everything that came after really felt the same. IM2 was a let down but we knew we were heading towards Avengers so I excused it and told myself that it's not easy to make a sequel and they were going to do better after that. Then came out Thor and I really started to wonder if they were really interested to make real movies because it really felt flat and soulless. Then, Captain America. I didn't really like it at first but overtime, I learned to appreciate it as it was and I've always been a huge Joe Johnston's fan. At last, we got the Avengers and even if it was a cool cinematic experience at first, it got old real quick. IM3 was the nail in the coffin for me. Horrible movie. The last MCU movie I saw in theaters. Never wasted my money on anything else after that.

[@commandershepard9920]

@@westtribe1964 So you missed winter soldier, ironically probably the best film in the MCU and it's not even close. Also missed Guardians trilogy, probably the best franchise overall in the MCU. Yet saying The Incredible Hulk.. *that* is one of the good ones? I can't say you're wrong - subjective taste and all that, but dang if I can't understand it.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Marvel used to be cinema Now it's just another symbol of captalism

[@eliascrooker7773]

Gonna cry?

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@eliascrooker7773 You first

[@Linklex7]

Marvel was never cinema. Least not the MCU. Spider-Man and X2, and Blade. Those were cinema. The MCU was just a tool to print more money

[@commandershepard9920]

@@Linklex7 Except that the MCU, literally, is cinema. Just because they *also* are meant to make money (as are..... 99 % of all films), doesn't mean they're not cinema. Even saying the two like this as if they're mutually exclusive is nonsensical.

[@obscure.reference]

@@commandershepard9920 cinema means it’s advancing the artform in some way, they’re not even movies at this point. they’re content.

[@robertcherryman6906]

He never specifies that he liked Spider-Man. He says he likes Sam Raimi's films.

[@justinborland3325]

Given the context of the fact that he was just talking about Spider-Man, it’s pretty clear that he’s saying he likes Sam’s Spider-Man films

[@AA-wq5sm]

And he says that he’s glad it was a great success

[@KatSuYeah]

we get it you want to simplify scorsese down to "he hates all superhero movies"

[@rizzo-films]

You're right actually. I think this was deliberate, but perhaps not exactly saying he didn't like it. My guess is he KINDA liked it but wanted to say nicer things about Raimi in general than, "yeah, sure, Spiderman was ok." If he hated it he'd probably not be so nice. Plus he wanted to make a point about the industry and not focus too much on a specific film.

[@TobyMcguarro]

And Spiderman is a raimis film

[@oldman5247]

Martin Scorsese only hates poorly made/company patented/business product superhero movies. That only do the bare minimum to be considered decent. If an exceptional filmmaker with a great crew makes a superhero movie. There’s a good chance he’ll like it.

[@gman2015z]

Sam Raimi came from directing horror movies with some comedic elements to make serious super hero movies. Of course some comedy too but not cringe. Even tho there are cringe things purposefully put in there.

[@barney7822]

#IBlameAviArad

[@sumboi2321]

People who think that Scorsese is only good for gangster films know nothing about cinema

[@nathanchong7731]

This was 21 years ago

[@robertcherryman6906]

Movies with 200 million dollar budgets have to have 4 quadrant appeal and now more than ever need to appeal to a WORLDWIDE audience which means it needs to be as simple and straight forward as possible or other countries could be confused. It is no surprise why James Cameron Avatar films are so popular. If Hollywood ONLY makes 200 million dollar spectacle movies, they all have similar DNA and you get less of Hollywood taking a risk on new directors with a vision.

[@Astartes-6969]

You know if DC gave him the freedom to make a DCU Film he'd make a fantastic Superhero Film. Wonder who he'd make a film of tho.

[@Greg1899]

According to Wikipedia, Scorsese, at one point, considered directing Joker.

[@radrno7]

Considering his style, he would most likely make either a movie on a villain like 'Joker' or some really obscure realistic character that either steals money or kills people. Always gotta be one of those lol.

[@Astartes-6969]

@@radrno7 He'd probably make a realistic Batman film similar to the Netflix Daredevil or something.

[@radrno7]

@@Astartes-6969 Nah, I doubt he would because he doesn't like big popular characters, because he won't have complete freedom, and also he doesn't like the exaggerated stuff like someone that dresses like a superhero or anything similar. IF he did, it would most likely be NOTHING like the characters. Batman would kill and wouldn't wear any cape or mask, and DaredeviI would be just a blind guy that would most likely die trying to fight crime once. I could see him doing maybe Punisher, but I bet he would kill Frank off lol.

[@Linklex7]

I’d say either Watchmen or maybe The Question.

[@johngurwitz5203]

Coming from the guy who was in Shark Tale 😂😂

[@DANCELITTLEL1AR]

Don't feel offended my love

[@ChristianFrates1997]

He did a great job voicing Sykes.

[@Linklex7]

I’d still take Shark Tale over more of the drudge from the MCU these days

[@Hritik9000]

I think what people dont get is that he isn’t criticising the Marvel or Superhero films he is criticising the Studios who are only trying to make money by releasing films only catered to a particular group. Earlier studios cared about money but only to a certain extent and used to be happy even a critically acclaimed film used to be a flop. Todays it’s definitely not the case and it’s utterly sad.

[@michaeledwards6683]

that’s a undeservedly charitable view of the old hollywood studio system. you think they made all those shitty monster movies in the 30’s and 40’s because they cared about the artistic integrity of dracula, frankenstein, and the mummy? no, the biggest studios have always been 100% about making money, and the only times mainstream american cinema has been worth a damn is when power was taken away from the studios and put into the hands of the artists actually making the films.

[@Linklex7]

Oh no he bashed the MCU and was right about it.

[@anomymous1286]

He was right then and is right now.

[@ChristianFrates1997]

Scorsese absolutely enjoyed Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man.

[@bonesawmcgraw8209]

The first Spider-Man movies felt like a perfect balance of trying to capitalizing off a name brand for profits but not understanding it to the point where they let a real artist still handle it. Very much a tail end of a golden era of filmmaking before a board room of investors made every creative decision.

[@friedrichmyers]

Sam Raimi's Trilogy is also made with heart. It covers various topics and I liked the theme of Responsibility in the first and second part. Or Friendship and Ego in the third one.

[@HerreraAlonso]

Thats why he never did the aclaimmed Taxi Driver 2 : Electric Boogaloo of Infinity War of the Martinverse cinematic cash experience

[@Yetanother253]

The problem with the CBM industry is that it ends up with quantity over quality, hence it created what’s known as the superhero fatigue, which is why it’s nice to have the alternative of real cinema.

[@jakelee7083]

Super hero fatigue is fake. If such a thing existed, where is the action movie fatigue or rom com fatigue? The movies are just crap and for a lot of reasons at that. That's all.

[@tonythehappynerd7241]

Dude had nothing mean to say about the film.

[@luisz222]

I feel like there’s different genres within the superhero genre even nowadays. You got your formulaic cinematic universe movies which is a massive chunk of the recent mcu movies as well as almost the entire dceu save for the few good ones and then you have the movies that surpass its genre like sam raimi’s spider man, the dark knight trilogy, joker, the batman and obviously logan and i’d even put the captain america trilogy on there cause to me they felt like spy thrillers especially winter soldier and civil war. I think aside from the avengers films the captain america trilogy is the best in quality out of any of the trilogies within the mcu.

[@queencancerous5332]

I think the thing people get wrong about Scorsese's take on the MCU is the aspect of the "soul" in the movie. Raimi's Spider-Man clearly came from a place of love for the character, a lot of the MCU films, with some exceptions, feel like products.

[@FandeJay]

Just a quick reminder of what Robert Downey Jr said: "It's Martin Scorcese. If he speaks, you listen."

[@dice1331]

Yeah. I miss superhero movies with heart, like it was made to serve as a appreciation to good storytelling. Nowadays, superhero movies are made just to make money. The MCU was good while it lasted. I hope someone steps up and say enough is enough, and take the lead to making it good again

[@blakemcnamara9105]

I like superheroes but I hate the MCU. I also appreciate good filmaking. These things aren't mutually-exclusive.

[@sinsinsinat5377]

This man is a legend...dont allow the suck ups in Hollywood devalue what he says as envy...his work is phenomenal...just watched the bar scene in goodfellas last night amazing work.

[@Kdkjdjewerdnxa]

Thought I was listening at 1.5x speed. He’s the only person who sounds somewhat normal/not drunk when you set the speed to .75

[@barney7822]

The reason why the original trilogy worked was because of the producer LAURA ZISKIN It was because of her and her partner (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that they had depth AVI ARAD, on the other hand, just cared about using the movies to sell toys After she died during the production of TASM1, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise again Spider-Man was nothing without her

[@redactedandredactedaccesor7290]

She is not why those movies worked. Get real.

[@barney7822]

@@redactedandredactedaccesor7290 Then why TASM2 failed after she died in 2011?

[@LuisAngel-mu4zv]

​@@redactedandredactedaccesor7290It's a big reason

[@al.109]

His voice cornfirms that "Yes, this is Sykes from Shark Tale"

[@hearthatbird]

This is Cinema

[@brysonclough1738]

I love Mr Sykes from Shark Tale so much

[@nerdcorner2680]

I think the hate is misplaced, it is not the MCU as a whole but rather Avengers 2 specifically. It was such a low quality movie compared to all the others (up until now) and was the second most profitable one for awhile. It became the ideal of what a Marvel is in the minds of people. Something like Cap 2 or 3 really doesn’t have that many bad quips, plotholes, or bad lighting/camera work that Avengers 2 had, yet everyone throws blanket statement at the whole MCU. Then when MCU quality tanked and other companies gave their attempt to copy how people view the MCU (again Avengers 2) it deepens this idea that the entire MCU has these same issues

[@vectorkoosh1984]

In short terms... Business.

[@DecentlyWeaKo]

He was right…

[@analienfromouterspace]

Indeed, this ended up so many entry level directors/producers/actors being phased out of Hollywood studios, because bigger budgets movies has to to be careful with producing a movie that supposed to be mainstream upon release. This put the perspective of high risk equals high rewards, so if one movie make it big and the other fails, the studio has already made 3x on both. Sadly this made Hollywood braindead making autopilot scripts where the typical happened, somehow it is still profitable as long people enjoying the performance of the actors, and visuals but those movies styles are quickly losing its luster. Same problem with cosmic horror stories, it loses its luster very quickly.

[@MichaelNight]

If you watch it at x0.75, he sounds completely normal. At x0.5 he sounds drunk lol

[@marconobrega]

He doesn't hate these films. But imagine for a moment that he does and actually says it during an interview. So what?

[@bingette7832]

… whenever I hear him speak, I just hear Mr Sykes (puff daddy) from Shark Tale

[@gummyberryjoos1693]

Scorsese blurs the line between critic and filmmaker these days.. I really dislike critics. Can't we just try to enjoy every film for what it is?

[@AClassOldie]

and that's your criticism?

[@gannielukks1811]

​@@AClassOldieYes.

[@thealphayt3904]

Play 0.75 speed it’s easier to understand

He could be talking about the video game industry and it would apply exactly

[@joshooahh]

0.75 speed

[@JingleJangleJam]

This is 'cause of the undue pressure put on amateur film makers while still young, that to break into the business they need to be heavy entrepreneurs at making money. Raimi learned that success comes from box offices in Evil Dead, and while I love Evil Dead films, including the series, they are clearly targeted toward a mass market of cultural trends. This can be good, and endearing, in amateur film makers whose ingenuity requires a certain B-grade imitation of the mass market special effects, which is why his lower budget films will remain artistically far superior to his Hollywood films. They don't, as Jean Renoir says, simply write films as authors write books, to express themselves and maybe be popular 20 years later, because time is given to an author to mature in public reception, but are required to be popular right now, to grasp the wave of present audience interest.

[@Horror-Man]

Does anyone know what Scorsese thinks of Shyamalan's Unbreakable (2000)? Now that's a superhero film that qualifies as cinema.

[@radrno7]

I wonder what Scorcese thinks (or would think) about Deadpool and James Gunn films. Those are very different from the ordinary Marvel/DC production, having way less budget and making use of much more practical effects, not to mention their irreverent style towards Disney/Warner tropes. Sure, they aren't cinematic masterpieces in filmmaking like 'Logan' or 'Spider-Man 2', but I'd say they deserve some appreciation over the saturated dozens of formulaic superhero movies we got all these years. I wouldn't leave Russo Bros. movies out either.

[@Linklex7]

I love this video cause it proves the Disney stans wrong who bashed Martin for hating “comic book movies.” No he hated the MCU and the negative influence it predicted it would have on cinema. Looking back on the last few years, he wasn’t wrong. Only in the last year or two has cinema finally starting back out of the whole that marvel dug

[@rogueguardian]

See he respects well made superhero movies guys, not poorly made ones.

[@TheCoppoy]

Dicaprio's employer roasts Maguire's one

[@chasehedges6775]

More like compliment

[@selfishstockton6123]

Essentially, the only movies that makes big profits anymore are superhero ones. And studios use the profits y to fund other genres of movies

[@wolfo11]

Studios want to keep feeding the machine.

[@jupitermonkey5687]

Was I listening to shapiro just now or scorcese

[@njyankeesfan]

The success of bloated-budget blockbusters basically has made it harder for lower budget films and films that are more experimental and less likely to make money to be made or be profitable, and these studios are ruining that creativity in Hollywood for the sake of making more $1 billion blockbusters. Sad to see.

[@andreimileti]

Game recognizes game.

[@k0walsk]

What gap is he talking about specifically?

[@RyanFloom]

Is it just me or is Scorsese talking about Raimi Spider-Man unintentional ASMR

[@ratnarashidratna8744]

Set the speed to 0.75. Thank me later.

[@TrueBlueMajikDewd]

*unless you're backed by Vanguard and Black Rock to where you don't have to make money. You can just keep burning money for forever.

[@PizzaTimeGuy]

Isn't he the same guy who worked on the "Chicken Little" movie?

[@Andyfierd]

Where can I watch the full documentary?

[@nicholasgarcia6402]

Check description

[@Andyfierd]

@@nicholasgarcia6402there’s no link or something

[@Andyfierd]

@@nicholasgarcia6402i see nothing in the description

[@DANCELITTLEL1AR]

Iron man Blu Ray, special features section

[@SuperCoconut999]

0,75x speed sounds like someone who talks normally

[@DougWIngate]

Sam Raimi's movies succeeded because they weren't 'superhero' films as much as they were action/drama/comedy/romance/coming of age movies that just so happened to have a superhero

[@robertcherryman6906]

The ironic thing about all this is the video people use as evidence of "SEEEE EVERYONE!!!!! Scorsese doesn't hate Superhero movies, he LOVED SPIDER-MAN!!! He just HATES this modern MCU dribble". And if you watch the clip it only shows that Scorsese was critical of the Superhero blockbuster all the way back in 2002 and doesn't even mention liking Spider-Man in THIS clip.

[@O-revisor]

Spider Man is not all that different from other Sam Raimi films, if anything, it takes itself more seriously than something like Evil Dead.or which other film do you think he's refering to? Darkman?

[@robertcherryman6906]

@@O-revisor He said he liked Sam Raimi's films. I have no idea what film he is referring to.

[@O-revisor]

@@robertcherryman6906 what I am saying is that Raimi's films are similar in tone and aesthetic, Spider Man is better written if anything, so it wouldn't be far fetched to assume he also enjoys it too.

[@robertcherryman6906]

@@O-revisor I wouldn’t assume that at all. I have absolutely zero clue. Plenty of people who love Christopher Nolan films hated Oppenheimer

[@oui2611]

interpreters on the chat

[@Doctorblam]

I wonder how he feels about Joker

[@DripKhonshu]

Yes mhm. Lose money, make money. I agree Mr. Stacy.

[@Whoa802]

Superhero films made by directors: Superman (1978) Batman & Batman Returns (1989-1992) Bryan Singer's X-Men Films (2000-2003, 2014-2016) Original Spider-Man trilogy (2002-2007) The Dark Knight trilogy (2005-2012) Superhero films made by committee: Anything in the MCU that wasn't made by Favreau, Whedon, Gunn, or Shane Black (2008-present)

[@UltiMulti_Games]

Very insightful. Didn’t know film studios were made to make money and now I do

[@TheCoppoy]

Gonna cry?

[@MovieEnforcer]

Spider-Man 1 actually came out in 2002.

[@jordanbond2290]

Yeah but the interview with Scorsese came out in 2003

[@J007297]

What he is saying is that movies like Spiderman are expensive and they give a lot of ROI. So studios want to keep making such movies because they are after all “In the business”. And small scale films like his are no more produced. Even he might be getting a harder time getting films produced. So he is talking about up and coming directors who don’t necessarily want to make superhero or tentpole movies. Their movies are not getting made. And he thinks that studios are greedy and will end up(like they did) just interested in making high action blockbusters. Which mostly failed these past few years. And he feels a lot of good movies were sacrificed to make mediocre or bad CGI fest’s.

[@StewartFletcher]

The irony is that his latest film, Killers of the Flower Moon, was budgeted at 150 million dollars and became a huge flop because it needed to make so much money back to break even. Same with The Irishman

[@Christian_Ada1]

But here’s the thing Martin Scorsese’s last film flopped whether it wins awards or not he just stayed at the fact that at the end of the day Hollywood is about a business and it’s about making money if it doesn’t make money that means that they lost money, financing the films So he looks very idiotic when he’s talking there because it’s paying him money for the last box office failure he made With that said there’s a saying that says all good things must come to an end after nearly 40 films based on comical heroes and that’s just in the MCU Hollywood has oversaturated our TV screens are streaming services and movie movie theaters with nothing but, book films of course it was on the downside just like the western back in the day you had westerns on TV and you had westerns in the movie theaters You cannot overdo it. It’s like eating pizza every single day you’ll get tired of it.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

It's not comic book movies, it's that the MCU sucks.

[@ArchangelExile]

Interesting... 🤔

[@GregLopesArt]

Some of these films are great, but just imagine waking up to the idea that no one is obliged to like or to accept superhero movies as the only thing that exists, including the adults who read all that stuff when we were kids.

[@tananatana4011]

People really love to misinterpret, huh? He clearly has nothing against superhero movies, he doesn't like them being artificially made, and if you're a fan of comic book characters, you probably don't either. That's why MCU is currently dogshit, it's just a product, there's no artistic direction or director's voice in there, and I say that as a massive fan of some Marvel characters.

[@mimilook4347]

I can't stop laughing at how many times he repeated the same words all over again 😂

[@heathbrideau6640]

With closed captions and no sound I was lost

[@alm2187]

So; is he tryin'a tell us that a film studio is a business?

[@lamborgini86]

Cinema

[@kemowasabi551]

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