Breaking the Ochs (Longsword Essays 2)

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If you watched the previous video about the "Mysterious Kurtzhau" you should know that the Shortened strike is also used as a counter to the Ochs position. However, there are numerous ways how to conquer the Ochs. Watch my latest video in the new "Longsword Essays" series and let's find out together!
Fencers: Me&Erik Farkas
Swords: SIGI Light (2x)
Music: Chopin - Waltzes No.3 In A Minor Op.34 No 2 'Valse'

[@MartinFabian]

Hey there friends! I made a new video lesson from my new series "Longsword Essays". Please take a minute to read this statement about the thing I have started - patronage/support page. I have launched a patronage page at www.buymeacoffee.com/martinfabian I was considering this for a few years now but there were always a few 'buts' for me. Firstly, as many others I 'suffer' from bursts of imposter syndrome and I'm never really happy with the stuff I create or offer. I often think it's not worth any value so I rationalize that I mostly do it for myself as videography practice, or fencing meditation, whatever. Secondly, I believe certain information should be available for free. I'm simply giving away some of the things I have been given and the return value for me is simply "the better people around, the better for me". On the other hand, my brain also tells me that every now and then I'm devoting serious time and financial investment to share my knowledge openly with barely anything in return. Creating even a simple video is often a matter of a working day (preproduction, production, post production), not speaking about the financial investment (gear, lenses, travel etc.). Creating a more fleshed out videos like in the Rapier/Longsword series takes me many days (!). I am not a team; I do everything myself. Therefore, I decided I'm old enough to start a patronage page. I chose 'buymeacoffee' because I like their UX. I've set up the basic page and the supporters page for the initial run. I think the perks might be motivating to many. I'm very new to this and you may persuade me a different platform is better because [reasons]. I may update perks as time goes by and as I learn. So thanks for your patience and potential advices. I will try to do my best. Many of you have been in touch with me and you know I'm very helpful, both online and in person and I will continue to do that (just scroll this page for historical content); I realize and understand not everybody has the means to financially support someone. But if you want to take up more of my time than a simple reply here or there (or just send some 'change' for coffee), I will redirect you to my page. For any other questions, feel free to PM me. In any case, if you decide to support my swordfighting work, I'll be really grateful for anything and I'll do my best to give as much as I can in return. And of course, I hope you’ll enjoy the new video. The next one is being prepared and it will be about the Ochs stance and about the options it gives us :) Take care! MF

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Not going to lie, seeing Martin train in a relatively confined space, going over and over the same strike, makes me start to see the benefit of a SIGI Light. 👍

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The mastery and simplicity with which the techniques are shown and demonstrated in a dynamic fashion, makes one so appreciative of the lesson. Thank you Master Fabian....glad to see you back!

[@JaggedVeil163]

Very informative video. I'm glad it shows the multitude of ways to get past Ochs. Both simple and more complex ways rather than just a "Heres one tip Ochs users hate" video

[@KaVeikiaSimas]

Thanks for making videos again and sharing what you've learned. Looking forward for the book in English. Take your time, though.

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I like these video essays.

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Awesome vid! The Chopin waltzes from last vid and this vid are great touches!!

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[@Druid_Ignacy]

Thanks for the video! I suppose that making kurtzhaw instead of simple langenort einshiessen under the ochs is for the sake of suprise? It seems so, as the source advices to throw yourself into vom tag guard, meaning, you weren't in it before, and it is to work on enemy expectations. Are you able to perform this in sparring gloves? I see you're using light gloves in this video.

[@MartinFabian]

It's a better and stronger position mechanically and shooting langort is risky due to the angles. "Lanck ein" doesn't always mean "with langort", sometimes it just denotes outstreched arms. Even a turned position can be langort (let's say a middle position of an unterhau). Sure, you can do it with most gloves but maybe large spes' and maybe kvetun's, depends. I have HF on the way so I'll also try it in those.

[@robertoprestigiacomo253]

I understand that for the sake of showing the technique the intensity is limited but I think that most of those attempts will result in the opponent thrusting before you even attempt to make contact. So it would've been nice to see how to counter that reaction. At least in my experience, when people use Ochs, it's like they are in "spring" mode waiting for you to approach them and will trigger either with a thrust or a cut even as you take a single step closer to them, often disregarding the fact that they will be hit too, especially in tournaments. Most people will immediately thrust the moment you even slightly touch their blade. As mentioned at 1:34, My approach is usually waiting or threatening somewhere far from their blade but without committing to let them spend their attack. I'd like to learn other offensive ways to break Ochs but I wouldn't feel safe doing any of these actions with the only exception of the Schielhau. The first and second ones will most likely end in a double or afterblow. For the third one (the Talhoffer's oberhau), I personally don't know anybody who will let me do that. As sneaky as it is, it's too wide of a movement which cannot be faster than the opponent's thrust. The Kurtzhau looks cool but unless the opponent is very inexperienced or very slow, I think it's too risky and would result in me being stabbed in the face.

[@MartinFabian]

Risk is attached to any technique, even a simple thrust. You can apply a similar logic to any action; any action of yours can trigger a counteraction. Any movement in measure carries risk we will be counter attacked. If these techniques are done in correct distance and correct time, they will do their job. If some people tend to ignore everything, I don't have a cure for that unfortunately, certainly not a technical one. A note regarding the schielhau - from all these techniques it's the most difficult and most risky one :)

[@robertoprestigiacomo253]

@@MartinFabian I will try them in sparring, though it's not so common for peopl to use ochs in my club. Great series btw!

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[@themightycaolf6549]

Hey can I get a source on the page at the 0:04 second mark? The one with the dude in the eared hood with the silly bells.

[@MartinFabian]

sure, it's Cgm 3711 (Jörg Wilhalm)

[@themightycaolf6549]

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[@petritzky]

​@@MartinFabiangenuine question. How do you stay relatively up to date and or find mire and more KdF sources? I have never heard of this one so far for example. Do you go out to museums and see if you can find some, do you comb through wiktenauer?

[@MartinFabian]

@@petritzky I made a transcription of the aforementioned Jorg Wilhalm in 2008 and that was the first time I worked with the source (and his other books). The chance a new fechtbuch will spring into existence now is very low and it won't probably change much, practically speaking. So that leaves us with about 50-60 sources to work with, where a third of them are almost identical. The best thing we can do is revisit the old sources and apply our practical knowledge with them. It's going to refine our understanding for sure and fill some gaps. Most of it is available on Wiktenauer and I'm happy there are other people doing primary research.