Marvel Dice Throne - GameNight! Se10 Ep19 - How to Play and Playthrough

[@joelface]

Loved the discussion at the end. Loved the praise of the art, and the discussion about how the game isn't as complex as it might look at first glance. I know someone already mentioned this in the comments, but you are allowed to look at your teammates cards in a team game (though, I'll admit, team games are my least often played version of this game). The 6-player mode you discussed RIGHT at the end, I thought I'd note that there are both 3v3 modes and 2v2v2 modes. Both are considered advanced modes, largely because with longer waits between each individual turn, you want players to be very familiar with the rules and the characters, so that players can get through their turns quickly. I am not a stickler for the rules, and loved the game just as it played out on screen, but wanted to point out two thematic rules that were missed in the game, in case you ever play again: 1.) Thor can instantly throw or retrieve his hammer at ANY TIME (on anyone's turn, in any phase) by discarding a card from his hand. So, if there is an ability that does more damage if the hero has Mjolnir on his board, he can quickly discard card(s) in order to throw it on that hero before resolving the ability (assuming he has the cards to do so). 2.) When Loki uses the illusion token, you are encouraged to look carefully at the cards and lay them on the table in a specific order, then suggest one card for your opponent to pick. Unlike shuffling the cards and letting your opponent randomly draw a card, suggesting a card for them to pick introduces a fun bluffing element to the game. Are they suggesting you pick the one that makes you take all the damage, or are they bluffing and telling you to pick the one you ACTUALLY want to pick, or are they splitting the difference and suggesting the 50% damage card. That, I've found, can elicit some of the most uproarious results, because you feel extra jouyous when you aren't fooled, and you feel like an extra trickster, as Loki, if you successfully fool someone. Final point: The game also has depth. If you play the game a lot, you learn what tends to work well (ie, upgrading select abilities early in the game, then focusing on building up dice-modification cards for late game, and saving them for crucial moments). Add in the variety of heroes, and there's always a fresh match-up to try out. Thanks again for playing the game! I loved it.

[@joelface]

Dice Throne is my favourite game series of all time, so watching you guys play this is an absolute treat for me. :D

[@AndreaVarnier]

Classic lineup! I love these shows, thank you guys ❤️

[@CyberMesh]

According to the 2v2 rules, teammates are actively encouraged to view each others' hands and strategize.

[@justindevries9017]

We have played through the Dice Throne Adventures quite a few times, and I think this group would enjoy the coop version of the game. I loved the legacy and upgrading deck aspect of it.

[@TheOpGames]

Love that thumbnail! 😍 - Thanks for playing Marvel Dice Throne! Such a fun playthrough! 💙

[@RobotButlerJ]

This seems like a fun game!!! Thanks for always putting up a good show!!

[@Clasteau]

LOVE Dice Throne. With the 20 dollar two player packs it's affordable to get into, the larger boxes are great if there is more of you, and every game I have played has come down to being close at the end. Well balanced and fun, my fave from the last couple of years.

[@tolkienfan4ever]

I DID like the video so I DID click the thumbs up. Now I know how to play MDT!! Thanks, GAME NIGHT!

[@Karak-Fak]

“You set precedent now!” Brilliant.

[@dkiprijanovski]

Fun game and video as always! Thanks for the content!

[@kenpat1001]

Good to see you guys again! Been waiting to see you guys play some games again.

[@kenpat1001]

I wish you were my neighbors haha!

[@msmilder25]

I like Aaron/Scarlet Witch's swap out a die ability. It takes away a player's ability to use that die for it's symbol, which reduces the odds of them using an ability, even though you can still use the numeric abilities.

[@Erril_Ferndal]

This game looks amazing 👍

[@fuloran1]

It is!!

[@Paper_Smith]

My friends and I have played 6-player free for all with king of the hill style targeting! It’s insane and chaotic and so fun!! 💕

[@jamesburns6603]

Nice Parapper the Rapper reference at 24:46 ,Lincoln. I am sure that you didn't think there are older geeks out there that played that PS1 classic.

[@danteshydratshirt2360]

plus Guns N Roses album references - use your illusion

[@Siftedbit]

Thanks Dave for the MC Hammer joke….

[@brandonhouston7575]

I like the dice wall things. Where did they come from?

[@w00dimusPr1me]

It's the bit that comes off from a Catan Hexatower

[@miguelleal697]

1:02:00 Loki should have used the defense ability as well.

[@cmawr]

@18:08 Lincoln did not roll 3 of a kind in his First roll… the last 1 came from a target roll…

[@whatboardgame]

Love this game in a two. Seems a fair bit of downtime in a four like this? What do people think?

[@robertbouley7697]

Agreed. Nice, casual two-player game when you’re looking for something light. I have a blast playing with my kids, but there are better dice games for 3+ players.

[@davidarnott4850]

Bear in mind: our versions of games like this are always longer than a "real" game might take. We do a lot of overexplaining, kibitzing, and text/theme reading... for demonstration reasons. And we're also often playing a game for our very first time, which can add some minutes, as well. FWIW, I always felt engaged, both assessing the situation as it potentially changed around the table, and referring back to my cards as other turns happened. That said, I'm a fan of any game system that, unlike this one, gives you card drawing at the END of your turn rather than at the beginning. It's usually a time saver this way, and often gives you something to chew on while other turns are happening.

[@jimcohen995]

@@davidarnott4850 Yes fair point. I just feel like, not just from this play through, but my own plays as well, there is a lot of down time in this game above a two. But at two, it just flows. Great play through as always though.

[@joelface]

I would definitely say that this is best as a two player game until you're very familiar with the game AND the characters that you're playing. If you need to look over your board and deeply consider what you want to do, you can imagine that mulitplied by 3 between turns. But, once you know your hero, and what to do when the dice roll a certain way, you can swing around the table fast enough to keep it fun and fresh. I'd say it's worth even saying at the outset of a 3+ player game of DT "remember, we're here to have fun, and winning is secondary, so if you're stuck on what to do, just go with your gut and keep the game moving."

[@whatboardgame]

@@joelface 💯 agree

[@JeffAllenHammer]

Can you not do free-for-all with 4?

[@mertrini]

Couldn’t you use spellbound on the defensive/green spaces?

[@estherpettigrew3042]

No. According to the description on Loki’s hero leaflet, Spellbound can be placed only on Offensive abilities, not Defensive ones. (Or Passive ones…which is the third type of ability).

[@edwindrood2816]

Great job editing this one

[@billmiller5722]

It seems like there's no real "catch up" mechanic. Does it feel punishing to constantly play from behind if another player gets a couple early lucky rolls, or dramatic?

[@joelface]

The games 1v1 tend to be very close, for the most part. I know one hero has an ability that does more damage to an opponent if they have more health than you, but that's an exception to the rule. Generally it comes down to who had the better overall game, rather than who had the better finish... but the chance of an ultimate is always there, and you're more likely to push your luck when you're down and out -- something that can pay off big at times. Also, one player may be up early, using good cards to do a big attack, while another player uses their same good cards later in the game, which can then even things out towards the finish. I will ALSO say that in a non-team game, players can choose their targets, and are rewarded with being able to draw a card if they target the opponent with the most health (which does have a catch-up mechanic effect).

[@starcloak]

I find it kind of funny that the last time you got together was also for a Marvel game. Already know it will be a great video 😁❤️

[@Sajatzsiraf]

Is this the Fantastic Four? Or the Incredibles?

[@meravl7615]

Feels like a less than ideal team split, but nice play anyway. Looks like you guys had fun, which is really the point.

[@Elucidarian]

Dave, I appreciated your MC Hammer reference, FWIW.

[@ThisNameWasTooLon]

what are those vertical dice rolling screens called and where did you get them??

[@estherpettigrew3042]

They look like a part of the Catan organizer by Gamegenic.

[@msmilder25]

I do think this is a very MTG-friendly game...if you are familiar with Magic, I think it's a much easier game to play or teach. There are a lot of Magic analogs.

[@StreetBoy37]

I would like to see DC version of Dice Thrones and then mix it up with Marvel

[@mariaforzisi]

Wouldn't it have been better to have Thor and Loki on one team and Spiderman and Scarlet Witch on another team. By having one magic and one power player on each team would be a better battel.

[@boardgamegeek]

We chose our characters before the rest of us knew how the team play setup worked. I thought it might have been Loki & Thor and Scarlet Witch & Spider-man. Thanks for the note and for watching.-Lincoln

[@maximilianomartinmassera9609]

i would hate to not see what oponent rolled.

[@Cleansweep38]

Thanks for sharing, but too confusing to me. I’ll stick with Yahtzee.

[@joelface]

I'll just note that this game is very accessible if you FIRST play 1v1, instead of with 3 or more players, and then pick heroes that have a lower complexity rating (each hero has a complexity rating that makes this very easy to check). Then, to make things simpler, you can choose to play with the cards face-up in front of you, so you can see the cards your opponent has as well (it takes out some of the mystery, but makes things a little easier to contextualize). Finally, take the reference card, and read outloud the turn-order card for each step of your turn. Unlike Yahtzee, you can activate abilities more than once in a game, so it's actually maybe LESS to keep track of in some ways.

[@RoderickEtheria]

Every other hero? Interesting you call Loki a hero.

[@joelface]

I know I was cheering for him in the Loki TV show.

[@RoderickEtheria]

@@joelface doesn't make him a hero. He plays both sides of the fence.

[@estherpettigrew3042]

@@RoderickEtheriaNot at the end of his Marvel movies appearances. He definitely ended a hero. His journey there was long, but he made it in the end.

[@RoderickEtheria]

@@estherpettigrew3042 Not saying he would be a villain, but there are more choices than hero or villain. He doesn't do things because he's trying to save others.

[@IvanMallia]

Season one and season two were so much better

[@robertbouley7697]

Yep. On the plus side, this was a good season for me to break from DT. Still a fun game. Marvel Champions quenches my superhero thirst.

[@joelface]

Huh! I love Season 1 Rerolled a LOT, but I find the Marvel heroes, regardless of their theme, have some REALLY fun mechanics. Black Panther's build-up and blow, Loki's illusion cards, Thors hammer he chucks around at any time, Dr Strange's spell cards that he stacks up on an ability space on his board... I just think there's some incredibly creative new ideas that take the game to a new tier. I LOVED how Black Widow can now upgrade during her roll phase, waiting until she lands an ability and then upgrading that one... and then having her abilities get more powerful based on how many upgrades she has in play! That's really unique.. I'd never have thought of that, and it works so well. But, obviously the first two seasons are fantastic, and an opinion is an opinion.. I'm just surprised.

[@IvanMallia]

@@joelface I am sure the mechanics are great. But they could have easily integrated them into a set of new and original characters of their own.

[@joelface]

@@IvanMallia I guess I get that.... I love the unique, original characters they've made before as well -- and actually my wife isn't a Marvel fan, and is a little less excited about these heroes for that reason as well. But I promise that if you can look past it (heck, put tape over "Scarlet" so it just says Witch) you'll find that the characters are great, require no knowledge or love of the comic books or movies and any shortcomings those might have in your eyes. That's my take, anyway! :P

[@IvanMallia]

@@joelface Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Marvel and all their characters. I just don't like when original games go lazy and use existing IPs. They had such a great thign going with original characters. And even the lore they were creating, was thrown down the drain.

[@danteshydratshirt2360]

to me this need streamlining - too many options and I suspect it could be susceptible to analysis paralysis for some people

[@maximilianomartinmassera9609]

i dont agree, you roll then you check whats optimal usually 3 options of the 7 available. 1v1 30/40 min game

[@KMReviews]

I’ve played a bunch of times. I’ve never seen anyone have analysis paralysis. You ultimately get what you get with your dice. The only thing to decide really is what to go after, which you just look at based on your first role. Usually just a second of hesitation if someone takes a risk going for something risky.

[@justsomedood67]

Less options = boring. Definitely not too many options for any competent player.

[@danteshydratshirt2360]

@@justsomedood67 competency or mastery of a game is not related to complexity. Chess is relatively simple - Go even simpler, Backgammon another simple game

[@joelface]

@@danteshydratshirt2360 You just picked a game that leads to analysis paralysis for a lot of people, so your point has become incredibly unclear. To you it needs streamlining, but I don't think you'll find many people agree with you. So it goes.

[@rocketteer1]

The fantastic four!