Marvel Rivals: Enough left turns to end up right

[@PixelRory]

NOT POLITICALLY. I MEAN IT LITERALLY. IT'S A METAPHOR. TURN LEFT 3 TIMES AND YOU END UP FACING RIGHT. IM NOT PREACHING HORSESHOE THEORY THROUGH THE FECKIN MARVEL GAME!!!!!!!!!!! Edit: I changed the title we're safe now I think

[@hmbHealer]

americans, man. i'm also american, but that doesn't count. cuz im a minor B)

[@saviorbob]

ok was very much going huh at the title. Changing "Far enough left" to Enough left turns" likely would have been a semi more clear thing?

[@lycanoi3834]

I wonder whomst could have inspired this comment

[@BilboBaggMan]

we can tell ​@@hmbHealer

[@hmbHealer]

@@BilboBaggMan danks :D

[@voyd234]

dont you dare turn my dear wolverine into tank- just give him a slight damage buff and a passive heal that uses rage

[@mattevans4377]

Don't even need to make new heroes. Storm can be a Support with a Lucio style heal aura, and Wolverine can be an aggressive Tank. That's two more options right there, and 2 less DPS (good for ratio)

[@hmbHealer]

The movement point is actually so true though. I play Mantis, who gets a passive speed boost if she's not taking damage. Taking 1 tick of damage from a random Star Lord across the map and suddenly having my speed boost yanked from me makes me feel SOOO sluggish. Still a good game though.

[@JoFoAKAForteen]

You can just use damage boost on yourself to heal tho 🫠

[@hmbHealer]

@ healing won’t give you your speed boost back

[@JoFoAKAForteen]

@@hmbHealer it does tho. The boost is active whenever you're at full health.

[@hmbHealer]

@ the boost does not activate when you’re at full health. The boost activates when you haven’t taken damage for 3 seconds

[@JoFoAKAForteen]

@@hmbHealer Oh I guess they changed that from beta. Either way Idk what youre talking about when I play Mantis I have the boost all the time maybe your teams are not peeling well enough

[@BananaWasTaken]

4:40 To be fair, at least Peni has the option to grapple to a nearby object, so she can at least get back faster than any of the other characters with no mobility

[@JoFoAKAForteen]

Yeah Im ngl he clearly did not play enough Peni if he thinks her mobility is bad

[@PixelRory]

didn't say Peni has bad movement! But I should have mentioned that she's an exception to it instead of making it seem she's in the same camp

[@ashaandrew6407]

Thor is an absolute bully on point in the right hands and can be played with spider man venom jeff dive comp VERY effectively. The key is using the dash as much as you can bouncing between enemies and building thorforce to activate awakened and demolish. This works on frontline AND backline if done correctly with team support/distraction.

[@radiationpony8449]

The fact that Iron Man - the guy in the metal suit, and Wolverine - the unkillable guy with the indestructible skeleton are DPS and not Tanks is crazy

[@cuckasmatheus]

logan has about 900 effective health. he is in dps category out of spite

[@Harrizonio]

Tanks are also large in size and usually not fast with some exceptions, it would be hard enough hitting wolverine consistantly let alone a tiny guy in the sky. They could add Hulk Buster as its own character though thanks to the timeline/multiverse shenanigans. It could even get a team-up with normal Iron-Man I get your point but im that type of person so XD im sorry

[@oni5963]

I think marvel rivals does need more tanks but I think it makes sense for their characters not to be. Part of wolverines character is his small stature and outside of the hulkbuster armor Ironman isn't really known for being a big immovable wall. It's more about whether it makes sense for their character to be a yank rather than what powers they have I think.

[@RossPitSharkHunter]

Wolverine? Nah, a 5'3" tank would look a bit weird.

[@Mechmoon-ov1jk]

Alright so there are some fundamental misunderstanding about how the tanks are meant to be played. Playing a tank like a bullet sponge is gonna make them boring and feel bad to play, but playing to their individual strengths is where they feel good. Not to mention each of them has some kind of counter play. Hulk is a defensive support. He provides shields to himself and nearby allies, has a ranged stun that can be lethal when working in a team and his jump can cling to walls gives him great tactical mobility. He’s only a bullet sponge in his ult, where he’s meant to disrupt by knocking away or stun locking an enemy into the ult attack. Thor is a disruptor. His F is absolutely not his best ability. It’s primary purpose is to send damage down-range if you need to hold a choke point. Thor uses his Shift to move, but also to grab and isolate a target, be it a tank to remove them from the front line for a bit or for the dps to be more easily killed. And his ult is primarily for area denial. Groot is obviously for area denial. His walls block off doorways and can take decent damage. And his regular ones attack when you do if you’re close to them. His ult is disruption that makes AOE, such as his cluster grenade, lethal to the enemy team if it hits a couple of them. You make the decision to either funnel the enemy into specific routes or trap the enemy to make kills easier. Dr Strange is definitely the bullet sponge. His massive shield lasts a long time and can take just about any damage ult in the game no problem, it’s only weakness being melee attacks. His portal can also be used cleverly to combo with ults, move your entire team quickly or funnel an enemy into only one spawn exit (or trap them entirely in certain areas). He also is good at disruption with his Ult, straight up turning off any character in range. Venom is also kind of a bullet sponge but can do serious damage. With basically a second health bar, solid mobility and an ult that does good damage, he’s a menace on the enemy back line but can also hold off the front pretty well. Magneto has solid ranged damage but his primary strength is his shields. They don’t last long but have infinite health, so the game becomes timing when you use them to best keep you and your team alive. His Ult does good damage too, but doesn’t have much AOE if I recall. Also, Groot having Jeff on his shoulder is deadly because Jeff effectively acts as a mobile healer giving Groot constant healing. The reduction keeps Jeff from instantly dying, giving enough time to heel with his bubble ability. And he can dish out good damage with his alt fire too, making them a scary duo.

[@Mechmoon-ov1jk]

I should say I left out Peni because I haven’t played her yet

[@dnddude9652]

@Mechmoon-ov1jk Peni is very focused on zone denial and functions as the closest thing to a regen tank. She’s pretty bad at gaining space, but is among the best at keeping it She stays on her Cyber-Webs from her M2 or her nest to slowly generate Bonus Health, and can threaten other people on her Cyber-Webs if they’re connected to a nest Her M2 can also stun people over-extending or knock people out of ults, giving your Spider-Bots (and teammates) time to kill them Her mines can do pretty considerable damage, able to kill squishy enemies pretty quickly, allowing you to prepare traps for flankers or people rushing point too fast, AND are far harder to spot if hidden in her Cyber-Webs

[@lordmew5]

You're wrong about so many things.

[@Harrizonio]

​@@lordmew5 thank you for contributing so much to this conversation, you have really helped me understand how this man is wrong and I now take your word over his

[@Mechmoon-ov1jk]

@@dnddude9652 Thanks! Makes me wanna play her a bit now

[@NoYes-uq2tz]

oh fun fact! 7:36 He can indeed charge his arrows behind cover using a tech

[@aleatorio._]

It is very funny to me how much Strange's portal can affect performance. Portal 2 came out 13 years ago, guys. I get why it happens in Rivals but it doesn't stop it from being very funny.

[@CrackedDota]

I'll say this, Cap is one of my favorite tanks, but I don't think he fills the tank roll that works best in the game. He's built for dive. You are right he doesn't do that much damage in a drawn out fight, but you can chunk 1-2 squishies if you hit his shield throw, then get out super easy with his dash/sprint/superjump/slam, then hide behind shield as your healers fill healthbar and do it all again (this is definitely where I agree I would like the ability to crouch so that people don't just shoot my grippers). I think dive is pretty weak in its current state, but I've had some amazing games with a Magik and Iron Fist just chewing up the backline as another tank and the healers hold off the enemy frontliners. Plus you aren't useless if you just dive into a teamfight, I just don't think that's strategy #1.

[@rixaxeno7167]

He works pretty well with Thor in brawl imo

[@JoFoAKAForteen]

You cant shoot Cap's feet while hes blocking

[@CrackedDota]

@@JoFoAKAForteen You absolutely can

[@lordmew5]

Firstly, i want to say great video it was interesting and funny. Unfortunately, almost every point you made would take the game in a worse direction or is generally wrong. The team ups are supposed to be help for both sides to encourage teamwork, not just random abilities, because then characters would lose their identity or break their balance. Jeff on groots shoulder patches groots two greatest weaknesses his slow mobility and poor ability to fight off characters when he isn't right next to his wall. Wanda and magneto help each other she gives him a better way of doing damage which takes pressure off of her and she just works better with him because with his added pressure when she is called he can bubble her there are lots of team ups like this actually. These team ups are usually rather powerful but require actual team up and sometimes changes in how you play The movement complaint crouch complaint and tank complaint all can go in this same place because these are changes that change the direction of the game. These changes would make the game more technical and would make the game more actions oriented and much less decisions oriented. Crouch and fast paces technical movement allows for you to make dumber plays and mitigate the consequences. You see this in overwatch when people have what would usually would be poor positioning by the Moba hero shooter and arena shooter standards, but they can get away with it because of advanced movement tech. This is neither a good or bad thing but definitely changes the game's identity. When you say venom lacks mechanical depth thats not a bug thats a deliberate feature. Mechanical depth means that he becomes crazy oppressive because he has so much base value or becomes trash because his base value is too low and he need to do too much to get value. Tank is supposed to be a role where you get better by improving your decision making skills not toghter mechanic. You win by saving your leap longer than the enemies or properly moving between the back and frontline. These are things most players don't pay attention to and dont want to understand. The ratio point sounds good in our heads, but it actually doesn't really matter. Firstly, two of the dualist are pseudo duelist. Storm is a dualist strategist hybrid, and Wolverine is a vangaurd dualist hybrid. IF this was overwatch, this would be a problem, but without role lock, it's irrelevant what their role name is. Secondly, why would we expect a 3-way split fair split when all the data shows is that most people want to play dps and chase kills. 11:43, you're putting the cart before the horse. There is no magic way to make people want to play tank because they either A. dont understand the value and impact of tanking or B just dont care. Lastly i think you're hot.

[@PixelRory]

for that last portion my girlfriend does as well so thanks????

[@XenoPon2]

Honestly I'm surprised they didn't add more tanks. you can make the same argument as with dps, Most Marvel characters are fighters but they also take mad damage. Also any type of support possibility can justify them being a healer, It just depends on what the devs want their selected characters to be.

[@joseph2000117]

In another comment i said Namor, BP, and Wolverine should have been designed as Tanks

[@YOSSARIAN313]

I think black panther should be dps. Hes just too small to be a tank. I'd actually move namor to support rather than tank. Give him healing turrets like illari in OW

[@joseph2000117]

@@YOSSARIAN313 I see that. I mean BP as a tank would have a bigger body and would absorb damage and deal it back as sonic damage like the movies. Like dva mixed with a little zarya But yeah I understand what you are saying

[@shajita]

Exactly! I've seen a ton of people say that most Marvel characters are DPS in nature, but how many of them would not stay in front and take a hit for a team mate? The healer role is similar. It's called "Strategist" which is a broad word that could include characters like Peter Parker, Cyclops, Mr. Fantastic, Beast, and several others. In fact, Spider-Man as a support that sends out Spider-Drones to heal allies and uses his web to CC enemies, would have made for an awesome Strategist and given the role some much needed star power.

[@hillonhwei]

LMFAOOOO the metaphor refantazio line is so real cuz i haven't even THOUGHT about that game since rivals released

[@CrackedDota]

Wait... Teamups work like that? I might just be stupid, but I've been picking what I called "the boring" teamup character for the express purpose of getting bonus stats. You can't trust a teammate to use new buttons...

[@RyokoEarth]

No they don’t. It’s only certain character that always have their team up bonus, the “season” characters. The ones off the top of my head rn are Luna, iron fist, hela, hawkeye… (I’m surely missing some)

[@Welpidk]

Oddly enough villains could be ported over to be supports pretty well, especially Spider-Man’s villains like electro could be a mercy-like character “stimulating” the muscles of his teammate in a similar manner to electric muscle stimulators buffing his teammates movement speed or tank, but he could stun enemies or paralyze them. Finally for an ult he could absorb dmg similar to how magneto’s ult works but instead dishing out buff to his teammates based on how much dmg he’s taken, he mentions absorbing power in the third Tom holland movie so maybe the connection is there but with some creativity they could port over mysterio to be a blinding or clone using character like Loki and tombstone is begging to be a bruiser tank. Juggernaut could be like sion from League dashing in doing big dmg and disrupting others using his size, to me I see vulture being a melee flying character swooping in to finish off enemies like a flying sombra picking out certain out of place characters

[@LangostaV76]

Also, Jugg could really latch onto the breakable terrain. Imagine his gimmick being facilitating scapes or runbacks by creating shortcuts with his head or something like that

[@sev1120]

Doc Ock could be a battlefield control support villain who is able to cling to walls and ceilings and serves like a combat medic role. His ult could be a massive AOE heal, as he commands The Power of the Sun, in the Palm of his Hand. Green Goblin would be a permanently flying character on his glider, with a focus on AOE explosive damage with his grenades. Kraven would be the most interesting. He'd be a Stealth assassin character. A wall run & Crawl, wall cling. Make him a ranged assassin with high mobility. A pain in the neck to catch, but somewhat vulnerable when you do catch him. His Ult could be a single, powerful instant KO shot on whoever the shot hits

[@dnddude9652]

I’m genuinely surprised they made Ultron a Strategist I thought that Vision would’ve been a Strategist with Ultron as a Vanguard

[@LilithFonGyotte]

I remember I played Widow and there was Cap running at me, that he got into melee range and then I've beaten the shit outta him... Yeah I feel bad for that guy)

[@DarenKajiWolf]

It's so funny that Hero shooter players say something like "this hero is so repetitive" playing the game more than 3 hours a day each day isn't!? edit: But... Yeah, at the end most games are almost the same after certain amount of continuous playing time

[@joseph2000117]

I rather play zarya in ow1 for 4 hours straight than mag for 1 hour lol

[@LunaireTD]

@@joseph2000117 So real, at least zarya's charge gimmick feels rewarding

[@XenoPon2]

14:12 oh you'll get some *thing* alright.

[@PixelRory]

18 hours later I just realised what this meant for feck sake LMAO

[@gurkeschurke6667]

As a tank main I totally agree with you. Thor: attack and pray you survive or you instantly die. Venom: swing,dive,shield repeat. Hulk: the only good thing about him, is him giving gamma buffs to more useful heroes. Magneto: without scarlet he becomes the “we got … at home” meme. Strange: by far the best tank but gets boring due to his basic mechanics. Penni: only good in defensive play.

[@ThePikeOfDestiny]

another day another banger

[@klopson9703]

3:15 There is one amazing thing this team is good for, and thats fucking up wolverine with jeff bubbles (they have boop).

[@mimikyugigas8106]

on the tank point, i'm a tank player at heart and find myself playing venom, peni, magneto and thor. my only tweak to any of their kits would be removing the absorption cap on magneto's ult because it feels so odd to have it just vanish

[@anonymous01201]

FINALLY SOMONE WHO KNOWS THAT THE TEAM UP BUFF IS ALWAYS ACTIVE

[@aveage-brush-player]

5:52 soooooo i got a new pc recently and even a 4070 super and i7 STRUGGLED TO GET MORE THAN 140 fps ON HI 1080p THIS GAME IS OPTEMIZED SO HORRIBLY im actually amazed just how bad it can get ehm dr strange portal ehm

[@pixavier9746]

The game is really well optimized... Compared to the closed tests that is. Now seriusly, the bigger problem the game has related to optimization is the fact that is made in Unreal5, a motor that has many optimizations and crash problems with *many* games, not only Marvel Rivals... Which, I don't think is something that can be easily solved with a couple of fix and patches.

[@shajita]

I always play tank, in almost every game. Overwatch, Paladins, League of Legends, Heroes of the Storm, World of Warcraft, I just love taking a beating on the frontline. Marvel Rivals broke me. I was quite excited for it, but after just two days I hated tanking in that game. If I ever return to it, (and I think I have to given recent le4ks), I'm just gonna be the DPS that refuses to swap. I hope the tank role gets some massive changes and double the heroes very soon.

[@nickmatera8082]

As a Thor one trick (plat 3) ive gotta disagree with your complaints about tank. He feels impactful and his skill expression has a relatively high ceiling. Generating thor force through aggression. executing combos to self-sustain, paired with competent mobility and CC in his dash, he’s a well rounded tank. That said, i agree with you that he was a tank that just “clicked” for me so maybe i’m too biased to be objective.

[@synisterintent]

I've noticed that the role balance actually seems to favor dps, the emerging meta generally being 1 tank, 3 dps, 2 support. 6 dps seems to outperform 6 tanks and even 6 support. So it seems like since half the team or more will nearly always be dps then a disparity weighted in their favor makes sense as well. Still, I totally agree the tanks in general need work. I have gotten multiple MVPs with Penny, once on attack escort, if anything she could use her web cd being extended as a slight nerf. The rest need some real work.

[@DankuVoid]

Day 35 of asking for a Risk of Rain video (Ok I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought that the tanks in this game didn't really click, most didn't for me at first, and then there are a few that I ended up liking overtime, but you are still right when you say tank don't feel that impactful, and after a few games I just want a turn on DPS most of the time, I also agree with you on all of your other points but also another thing I wanna add is that the sustain is also little crazy at times, like both Luna and Mantis using their ultimates is just 12 seconds of nothing being able to die for example, so I think that can be reduced slightly but then again as you said, it just came out we need things to be fun first before being balanced, also I'm already seeing posts about thanking supports and stuff like that when it should be tanks, close enough, welcome back Overwatch 2016)

[@Asneost]

Love the vid day 28. Hey, this Overwatch clone is good. (for the record, not an Overwatch clone...)

[@rajabuta]

Hey! I heal Groot better when I'm on him xD And no. NO CROUCHING!

[@the_odr9166]

Idk hulk is one of fav tanks cos he's so good at brawling and especially now where healing so abundant it doesn't feel that difficult to stay alive and disrupt especially with ur lockout ability

[@the_odr9166]

Also I guess one tip to make hulk jump better is just to literally always have it charged up, since holding space and charing the jump doesn't interrupt ur other abilities imo u can literally have 1 charged and ready to use at all times

[@Omegasutoraiki]

The completely flopped on the chance to make Scarlet Witch (A character who has control over entropy and decay and who can heal people in the comics) into a support character. Yes I am annoyed that she is a damage character. No not because she takes no skill and has a bad ultimate that one shots people. I am annoyed because Scarlet Witch as a support character could have been so much cooler. Honestly I enjoy all the characters in the game WAY more than Overwatch. (Because all the tanks and support are actually fun in this game) People who say otherwise I feel are coping because they haven't understood their kits which will happen. Hulk is THE best tank hands down, he is basically the winston of this game. Everyone sleeps on him, but he is the most useful.

[@drakula839]

L take on Jeff's ult and Ironfist

[@Bladezeromus]

Nah. The only people taking on flying characters should be hitscanners, Spider-man, and other characters that can fly. His feel L tank is on Captain America.

[@ASHURADZN]

Duuud thank u so much for talking about the performance of the game because it is TERRIBLE I need to use a mod to not have any FPS drops (And I thought OW2 was badly optimized before)

[@TheCosmere64]

The game actually runs super well for me, especially for a new game, and i expected it to slow snd chug a lot but it works pretty well. I wonder if many other people have performance issues

[@masquire1]

Did you end up baking that cake 🔥

[@Chaos_Imp]

Day 5 of asking for An irish review of mario and sonic at the winter olympic 2010 vancouver games

[@hmbHealer]

GET OUT

[@02owo32]

Only character I think is really OP is Iron Fist, how he can fly punching stuff, me most of the time

[@joseph2000117]

Also i hated hulks jump but i realized he shittier winton/dva with no cd jump and then i found him fun

[@LunaireTD]

As a tank main, watching people praise the character designs in this game feels like I'm watching a positive review of a snickers bar while I'm allergic to peanuts.

[@PixelRory]

@@LunaireTD I'm not even saying that the tanks are designed badly, not at all, it's just that they have the most flaws which makes them the least popular role Honestly none of them are even weak except for maybe hulk/cap but they're strong with the right play style, just weaker compared to a strange (and they don't feel good whether it's from pitiful DMG on cap or Hulks weird jump which was my main point but sure look)

[@Boi_Fluff]

Hey, I made it early to a Rory video, hell yeah!

[@ASHURADZN]

I love both games (And Paladins) but damn it's insane cuz I feel like Marvel Rivals fans are already turning into TF2 fans saying their game is better like it's impossible to enjoy 2 games of the same genre

[@PixelRory]

@@ASHURADZN it drives me crazy, like just enjoy both games

[@joseph2000117]

I hate overwatch cuz blizz fumbled it so hard and Rivals tanks feel like they were designed by a 4 year old compared to OW and thats not a compliment to OW lol. Rivals fans already becoming toxic lol

[@filipcza2]

Yeah, oneshot outside ulties is dumb and unfun in every game. Why do they insist on have those in games. At least widow isnt oneshot

[@AshVXmc]

Jreg ahh title

[@Starlit_Juno]

welcome back maxmoefoe

[@PixelRory]

I have no watched maxmoefoe is this good or bad

[@Starlit_Juno]

@@PixelRory I just said it because of your hairstyle lol, it looks like his old/og one

[@punkypony5165]

@5:37 Not gonna lie but I couldn't care less about crouching in this game. Other than that I agree with a lot of what you said. Also they better not add Role Queue to this game.

[@MarcusL450]

I like this video. I also have the opposite opinion of almost everything said about tanks, I love playing tank. Thor might be one of the strongest characters in the game, don't tell anyone though keep that shit secret.

[@PixelRory]

@@MarcusL450 never claimed any of the tanks to be weak! (Except Cap tbh please god help him why do his abilities do the damage if a melee) All of them have their strengths and work well, but it's how the vast majority think they *feel* to play which leads to it being the least popular role, which is what I believe comes from the generally lower skill ceilings they have. Venom was my scapegoat of this because his gameplay loop is exactly that, a constantly repeating loop. But even others I enjoy like magneto don't have the same feeling impact as an even simpler character like Zarya in OW does. Zarya doesn't do much, as in her kit isn't that complicated, but because her primary FEELS so good to use people love to play her regardless. I really hope that made sense I'm terrible at wording these things when I can't speak them LMAO

[@GarnetDust24]

YAS HORSE!

[@awhitney3063]

If they add a crouch this game is done for - all of the sweaty tryhard CS players constantly crouchspamming and changing the headshot lineup absolutely fucks with a game and makes it near impossible to play for average / fun people who aren't the type of lunatics that would make a crouchspam macro. It'd be about as beneficial as role lock/queue, which is to say, not helpful in the least! hard pass.

[@SawBSketch]

if crouch spamming is already doing you in, Maybe shooters arent your thing 😭🙏

[@akira699]

hate to break it to you, but this is a skill issue. crouching adds more skill expression by being able to re adjust your head hitbox AND allows you to be able to fit in those tight spot when breaking environment (walls). if you think that adding something so stander as crouching is going to ruin the game, you don't have to worry, low elo players don't then to crouch anyways, so you wont really feel the difference :3

[@Asneost]

First

[@joseph2000117]

The Tank section deserves an award. Overwatch tanks feel miles better. . .what were they thinking. Wolverine, Namor, BP should have been designed as Tanks. The game is great but i rather play dps vs bots then yank bot for 15 games straight

[@isaacargesmith8217]

perssonally I think hulk has one of the most fun movement mechanics in the game. The control on strength and lack of a hard cool down are super nice.

[@Squiezly]

I really love hulk but, at least on controller, its hard to control and aim his jump in a fight. I wish it had at least a little damage on impact or at least a stun to help do that little bit of damage needed when both your ranged options are on cool down.

[@joseph2000117]

​@@Squiezlyi hulk on controller sounds like torture

[@LunaireTD]

The fact you have to charge it means it's really annoying to use on reaction. It slows down his gameplay loop. And while having a mobility without a cd can be fun, there is some depth to playing around a cd (think winston dives and stalling to get jump back)

[@superstupid667]

Really bad takes, but i am glad you are enjoying the game. Tanks seem bad when your new but better you get at the game the more you realise its hardest role and most important role in the game. The aiming issue is in every 3rd person game. The camera is positioned over the characters so your looking at a different angle.

[@LunaireTD]

Making it over-the-shoulder instead of over-head means the side you're peaking from completely changes how safe your peaks are and how much vision you get. When you actually start thinking about it (which if you wanna take the game seriously you will need to eventually) it just feels gross and immersion breaking. Might not be much of an issue for other people but for me it's rough