11 Major Differences Between Sandman Comics And Sandman TV Series - Explored

[@wolfie819]

11:09 Dream was not the one who gave immortality to Hob. It was Dearh who granted it. Dream can't grant immortality. He specifically said so (while narrating) in Sleep of the Just. Dream says of Roderick Burgess that "he pleaded for gifts that are not mankind's to receive nor mine to give." All Death did in the White Horse pub was ask Dream: "Are you going to tell him, or should I?" And I don't think this implies in any way that Dream can grant immortality. Giving Hob immortality was Death's gift to Dream. Or, perhaps she gave him this ability this one time as a gift for the sake of their wager. But I don't think so.

[@UncleTonyK]

You took the words right out of my mouth Wolfie. To say that Dream granted immortality is a gross mischaracterization of what both Dream & Death are capable of. It also gives the mistaken impression that Dream can exercise his will in Death's domain. Though, it is clear in both the comic and show that Death is the older and more powerful sibling.

[@NemoConsequentae]

And the episode was not at all incoherent. At least, I followed it perfectly well. But then I was not at all confused by _Pulp Fiction,_ either...

[@zod4365]

@@NemoConsequentae yeah, that episode was the most jarring, emotional, and evenly paced. The only part I was thinking about afterwards, was that Death knew she was the target for the summon and just brushed past it...

[@NemoConsequentae]

@@zod4365 I was hoping for her to use the line, "You get the same as everybody else. You get a lifetime." Which I _thought_ was from that scene. Have to go check the copy on the shelf.

[@gaunten]

@@NemoConsequentae me too, but it’s from brief lives I think, or some later issue anyways. The scene is pretty much word for word like the book, minus the baby speaking of course.

[@dorolicious]

I disagree with your opinion about episode 6. It was beautiful, heart warming and very interesting. It also slowed down the pace so the rose arc has a chance to develop without getting overshadowed by the first 5 episodes.

[@arian512]

But in the end we have seen the same thing with death in many many other media. Death's dialogues were not really immersive it was like she was performing a theater piece and saying them to the watchers not to dream. It felt flat and repetitive. The second part of E6 was really good. We have seen the concept of endless, immortals, gods and etc. But this one here felt unique and awesome. How hob never gave up and perhaps as My GF said dream learned hope from this guy to defeat lucifer. Oh and the fight with lucifer was so idiotic and flat and open to discussion that it shouldn't have been done like that. I mean despair does defeat hope so lucifer didn't think of that?

[@TheAnga27]

@@arian512 with the hope thing my immediate thought was to think about the myth of Pandora, the only thing which stayed in the box was hope because humanity would never lose hope. I don't mean that's why they did it but simply that they're using the ever so charming hope will always be somewhere no matter how much despair sentiment

[@arian512]

@@TheAnga27 Nice analogy, but doesn't hope cease to exist when there is no loving thing? I mean as philosophical as we can get, hope even as an abstract thing would need a living thing to exist.

[@TheAnga27]

@@arian512 yes, yes you could view it that way and I would find myself personally being more fond of the hope can die take but, to play devils advocate. If we look at other dialogue in the show atleast, death saying she'd lock the place behind her if everything did die we could assume hope would then carry on throughout her within logic of the show perhaps. If she would in fact not cease to exist without anything out there to die.

[@Robotechgorillaglue]

@@arian512 this is explained better in the comic. Its because creatures of hell don't understand hope.

[@jadedjc6981]

The Sound of her Wings was incoherent?! The first part is showing Dream how Death does her job and the Men Of Fortune (2nd half of the episode) showcases what it would be like when Death granted Hob Gadling the gift of immortality and he has to meet him every 100 years to see what has happened. In this, Dream learns what it's like to be human and no matter the ups and downs Hob goes through, he always manages to make it work. The first half shows Death doing her duties and sadness and the 2nd half showcases hope via Dream and Hobs meeting through the centuries.

[@Kyrrial]

I have a similar opinion to you of this episode. I think it was my favorite, actually, since I'm a bit done with all of the depictions of Death being an evil, malicious entity. I thought it was done really well, and the two parts actually felt like two distinct episodes to me, such that I forgot they were only a single episode until watching this. Hobs and Dreams "friendship" is actually something I hope we get to see more of in season 2 (I've not read any of the comics, so I have no idea if he makes another appearance or not).

[@ModernSalesTrainingTeam]

Yeah, I think MarvelousVideos was wrong to say that. That episode was amazing, and both of those issues worked well together to highlight the contrast between "when it's your time to go (Sound of Her Wings)," and when that time never comes (Men of Good Fortune).

[@daneg007]

i don't get why they called it incoherent either. i haven't read the comics, so even though it wasn't exactly the most exciting episode, it did a lot as far as character and world building. then again, the writer of this video called uncle barnaby a "controlling dad", instead of an abusive monster. so we can probably just chalk up the "incoherent" comment to the fact that the writer is a complete idiot.

[@durgadivinewrath1983]

I have caught up with the graphic novels after the fact. I loved the Hob episode, and many others I know have expressed the same. It adds background context to Dream, and why finally he starts to evolve despite being "Endless". It is fun and uplifting and leaves us excited to see what happens next. What more could you ask from an episode of anything?

[@erikred8217]

yeah. Tis this video that is a little 'incoherent' not to mention inaccurate. MV misses the point of ep.

[@ngairehodge8566]

"Men of Good Fortune" is one of my favorite stories. I liked how the story was adapted on the show.

[@Companion92]

Same

[@XGlite015]

Episode 5 and 6 are the most memorable for me. Ep 5 was shocking and horrifying. Ep 6 was heart-warming.

[@sebastianwar7936]

Glad you said that, I saw the 'FIGHT' between him and Lucifer and though.. well, that's pretty SHIT and gave up. I might go back and watch it pass those episodes

[@Steve.Maverick]

Then it all went downhill when he was no longer the main character

[@karkarrot5786]

@@Steve.Maverick i disagree id say it continued its great story bc there was more than 1 main character

[@jozen1986]

The series peaked at 5-6. Agree it was my favorite eps too.

[@arian512]

Episode 5 was nothing we haven't seen and it was the same thing without adding anything to the concept of not lying, or human manipulation

[@alis49281]

I think the writing was brilliant. Combining different short stories into one season and connecting these was well done.

[@nothingmusic42]

Episode 6 was my favorite, and i felt combining the two stories worked great. Death brought up Hobbs, which reminded Dream he had missed his last meeting with Hobbs.

[@05acoyn]

It was one of the best episodes of television I've watched in a long time . I didn't find it to be incoherent at all it was charming and humbling . Each to their own of course though .

[@StarryMidnight]

5th & 6th was soooo good!!

[@Mondilicious]

mate so true

[@danbongard3226]

@@05acoyn Same here.

[@songsayswhat]

I thought the ocmbination worked great, too. It worked really well. Hobb is alive becaues of Death. The episode started with Sound of Her Wings which features Death. It made sense to include Hobb's story there.

[@lovipoekimo176]

John Dee also lies and eventually kills Rosemary in the comics and the entire vibe was chill, whereas in the series the viba throughout the car ride was increasingly tense, and Rosemary is not killed.

[@duvan.deschain]

What an amazing exercise in tension. Both killed it. Amazing episode for sure.

[@munashemanamike4217]

I'm kinda glad he didn't it would've hurt my heart too much

[@WillNotSubmit-Johanna_RN]

I found episode 6, The Sound of Her Wings, brilliant. It was beautiful and touching.

[@DavidMichaelCommer]

The Sound of Her Wings was my favorite episode of the season. I cried twice. It may have been inconsistent but I didn't think it felt tonally incoherent at all.

[@Redchoboboy]

Cried too esp w the baby

[@sleepyrina]

im glad they did not use any contacts on tom bcs his eyes gave life into the character and gave us so much information also i like how his eyes always glimmer and watery through most of the episodes because it shows how much hope he has. he is dream after all !

[@benjaminacuna8013]

Lyta lacking here platinum hair is annoying but I still love the fact that Lyta was included was amazing!!!! John had to look bleach blonde, however it’s logical that Johanna was made so if and when John does appear I hope they use Matt Ryan. Plus usually apart from Ryan no other live action Constantine has been good, sorry but Keanus Constantine wasn’t blonde, or a working class person or Liverpool. I think we also forget that John does have a sister so it would make sense that other Constantines occultist members could exist. I love Gemma

[@JoeKerr019]

I think she will get the hair out if trauma

[@TheMimiSard]

I heard there was a licensing issue around John Constantine, so Johanna was also a way to step around that.

[@TheMimiSard]

Also, on Lyta's hair, having dark hair ironically makes her look more like Diana's daughter.

[@viderevero1338]

@@TheMimiSard Really? That's more reassuring then. I just thought they'd decided to change the character's gender for some form of "inclusiveness".

[@WinchesterxNL]

@@viderevero1338Nope, purely because of licensing and having an original creation that could fit the narrative. Johanna Constantine (the ancestor) is an original from Gaiman. So using her in both modern and old times was a good idea.

[@yoda908]

Neil Gaiman said once he never thought the Sandman would would work as a movie or at all other than on paper. He also said he would rather it be not done at all than be done bad.

[@ronniejdio9411]

He also worked on American gods so I'd say he lost the plot a decade ago sadly

[@tyranticus5163]

Then Netflix showed up with a big bag of money

[@luxlightly6833]

@@ronniejdio9411 He actually did NOT work on American Gods, a fact that he has expressed major problems with on multiple occasions. He has gone on record as being REALLY upset about the handling of American Gods and that's part of why he insisted on being an actual PRODUCER of Sandman so he would have creative control, which is why The Sandman is 1000% more faithful to the story he wrote than American Gods is. Maybe, know what your'e talking about before making dumb and very incorrect statements?

[@ronniejdio9411]

@@luxlightly6833 did he write America gods and its pseudo sequel ,? Did he sell it ? Who should get the blame for how bad it was botched? Neil was involved Moreno in season one and two bit he was involved and didn't shit talk it until it came out and absolutely sucked. Authors can dictate how their material is produced. Or they can get a check and let the company make it . Which did Neil do? Because giving him a pass for that shitshow is bs whennhe was involved in promoting it from day one

[@luxlightly6833]

@@ronniejdio9411 No he definitely had threatened to throw himself in front of a bus over creative choices they wanted to make with the storyline LONG before the show came out. Honey, hollywood has a HISTORY of taking advantage of authors on the cutting room floor. If you don't know that you know nothing about the history of book inspired movies. Sorry you're so hateful, bitter, and ignorant of what you're speaking on. . .like most of the internet these days.

[@brianbara3204]

I disagree with you on "The Sound of Her Wings." I found it beautiful and powerful.

[@jamiedaley8194]

I binged the entire series in one day. loved it and can't wait until season 2

[@uglystrawberry]

Read the comic

[@PoppieXL]

I did the same exact thing.

[@tn-cj9cc]

@@uglystrawberry I tried to read the comic but it's hard for me to wrap my head around.

[@tn-cj9cc]

You say season 2 like Netflix isn't awful about canceling shows after a season.

[@shialtin]

I understand why such changes as were made, were made. One commentator on Twitter nailed it with her observation that the actors were cast for vibe, not appearance. Despite some significant changes, there were scenes and images enough that were so completely straight from the comic book that I often found myself tearing up at their realisation in three dimensions. Over and above the storytelling, this series is beautiful to watch. Even if I'd never read the comics, I would have been blown away by the incredible visuals. This series is nothing short of triumphant.

[@chuckysmaria6466]

Normally I'm a stickler for sticking to gender and ethnicity especially when it has to interact with "reality", but the changes were either inconsequential or applied to supernatural being. Lucian-->Lucienne. Except Unity, seriously a super rich black family in ww1 in Britain. Really? And Johanne constantine... a female ancestor of johanne constantine in 1789 retaining her family name in the current year. I understand they want to use same actress for the flashback, but why not use John constantine. I'm still on the fence with Lucifer, the actress is good. It also helps that "detective lucifer" pretty deviated from source material. But I was expecting the blond dicless angel from the comics

[@chuckysmaria6466]

@@donpula6349 So the reason we can't have an accurate portrayal of comics to movie is because of a bunch corporate pencil pusher... Well that s**ks

[@chuckysmaria6466]

@@donpula6349 PS I realize my previous comment is missing. Why Susan Wikiwiki? Why?!!!

[@sergeiusman8599]

@@chuckysmaria6466 please study history . Wealthy & Powerful black people are a historical fact, not some recent invention of the 21st Century.

[@chuckysmaria6466]

@@sergeiusman8599 Did you even read my comment or did you just went full knee jerk reaction? I said wealthy black family IN BRITAIN. Remember, Unity went night-night during WW1 that means she was taken care off because she has a very wealthy family to build a large enough trust to look after the family estate. A trust that would survive to be passed down to her great grand children. That mean Unity is not just rich but very rich. Has there been such rich black family IN BRITAIN during that time period?

[@onepresence9460]

I thought Netflix’s The Sandman was a surprisingly good adaptation. I still prefer the source material, the Audiobook from Audible and “DC Showcase: Death”, but still it was good as a show and as an adaptation. It was faithful for the most part (Considering the fact that Geiman was part of this), the cinematography was beautiful, the soundtrack was great, the special effects were pretty good (Some were really bad imo) and the majority of the actors did a nice job. Only big complaint is the camera format of the show. It looked too square for me. I don’t know how to explain this 😅 I’m kinda sad that this wasn’t a animated series instead tho. After watching that incredible Death animated short film (Which is amazing btw) made me imagine how the entire story would’ve looked like if it was animated. That would’ve been super cool. Still, i’m glad that we got this and i can’t wait for season 2 to come out 😊

[@UncleTonyK]

I wholeheartedly agree about the audio drama. Imo, that's the best telling yet. What Neil Gaiman and Dirk Maggs did there was nothing short of wondrous. The only audio productions I've heard that compare to Sandman have all been Dirk Maggs productions. I get where you are coming from regarding to the cinematography. With a project like this, I think that creators have got to find a happy medium between too little and too much CGI. They could have easily (and justifiably) gone CGI crazy. But, it would have been trading emotional depth for a light show.

[@viktorvondoom5950]

I agree.... it was a relatively good adaptation, but there were too many changes made which ultimately ruined the experience for me. For me, the graphic novels still remains one of the best DC arcs Ive read, with actual DC characters making guest appearances.

[@viktorvondoom5950]

@@UncleTonyK Honestly, I feel that if this was done in the 80s or 90s, Im sure the visuals would have looked cheesy but surreal, but the source material would be more closely followed

[@onepresence9460]

@@viktorvondoom5950 Oh yeah definitely. The Sandman graphic novels still remains amazing to this day.

[@stevebatley9012]

A fair rundown of the series and I agree on the whole… except for three major points 1 episode 6 was a solid and faithful adaptation and the two narratives fit each other perfectly as they both are central to the character Death. Not only that but among comic fans it is viewed as one of the best in the series so see thanks to the portrayal of Death as she perfectly embodied the maternal and empathic elements of the character 2 though correct regarding the licensing the inclusion of Johanna Constantine is NOT a gender swap as she is an actual character from the comic, John is her descendant and she does play a huge part in the Sandman mythos 3 the setup of full release isn’t all that taxing and if you like the show enough and as we are all familiar with binge watching it is easily possible to watch more than two or three episodes without a break

[@rhov-anion]

I just watched the whole thing in two days... in the middle of the week! Had I waited for the weekend, I likely would have finished it in a day, although I do often watched 1 episode at a time: watch one, go do laundry, watching another, play with my cat, watch a third, go make food, etc. I don't like to sit for more than two hours at a time.

[@fohat50]

good to know about Jo Con cause it pissed me off, i thought they had gender swapped John Con, thanks for clearing that up and i watched them all at once and loved six best, beautiful stuff 'its rude to keep ones friends waiting' a great line so well delivered and received. i was so glad they found each other and that he admitted it at last.

[@makethebaconaa2435]

Johanna Constantine in the comics is the ancestor of John Constantine. Why she was in the present day instead of her actual place in the timeline, being 18th and 19th century england, is most likely since they couldn't get John, but from what i understand she isn't just a genderbent version of John, rather an ancestor in a different time than usual

[@DieAlteistwiederda]

Neil stated that it isn't a genderbend and they just swapped the two characters. Probably really just because they couldn't get the rights or something who knows. I didn't mind it.

[@stevebatley9012]

Exactly. Too many people are screaming about gender and race swapping and for the most part the reasons given are logical and in this case especially. Johanna is part of the Sandman Universe and is the ancestor of John. The commentary is right about the licensing but wrong about it being a swap

[@benignoalvarez9398]

I like it very much 🤘🏼hope we don’t have to wait 🤨10 years for a second season

[@yoda908]

Or another 30 years.

[@jumni.k]

Same here 😥😥

[@WereGururumon]

I’ll wait as long as it takes for them to reverse race sway death and reverse gender swap Constantine…. YUCK!

[@EnsignPissBoots]

They're already writing the second season luckily

[@benignoalvarez9398]

@@EnsignPissBootsyeah that’s going to take a long time 🤨

[@MrKhho100]

People hated the "Token casting" of death. But she was by far my second most favorite character of the show.

[@johnnyferalcat896]

My only complaint is that she wasn't goth

[@craxyman9025]

OK...but she wasn't the iconic character that we fans have known for a 2 decades. This seems to only go over people's heads when a white character is race swapped but is an outrage when the opposite happens. Imagine if Marvel made the Falcon white. Or War Machine. There would be a Twiiter meltdown.

[@arcturionblade1077]

Death being a goth is not even the main point of her character. It's her kind and caring nature, and the actress that the show hired did a great job in displaying Death's warm and positively gentle personality. I could totally buy people being comforted by her words and calmed by her appearance even after the shock of dying, so the actor did a phenomenal job, I think.

[@johnnyferalcat896]

@@arcturionblade1077 but it's a missed opportunity, because black goth people don't get really any representation, she is known as a goth character, she's a love to character in The Goth community, I staple icon of goth, and they erase that

[@brandonbaerga4972]

@@craxyman9025 I wouldn’t even say white like death skin is way paler then anyone has so they should gamora her ass and get a white that’s white white lol

[@Blane647]

I'm just gonna shout here because there are sooooo many fans that read the comics and knew what/who The Sandman was and/or DC comics. I ABSOLUTELY LOVING THE SANDMAN SO FAR. I AM ON EPISODE 5 NOW. I DID HAVE TO PAUSE IT FEW TIMES TO TAKE THE STORY IN WHILE I DID OTHER THINGS AROUND THE HOUSE. ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT CASTING SO FAR. JUST BRILLIANT. STORY IS INCREDIBLY FLUID. LOVING IT A LOT. THANK YOU. *whisper* marvel fan but love this.

[@brianfewer919]

David Thewlis played John Dee in the series, a character in the comics known as Doctor Destiny. This character also appeared in the Animated TV show Justice League, epsiode "Only a Dream". Jed is observed watching Justice League in the hotel room durring the second last episode of Sandman. Bit of a conflict there.

[@MrGalax00]

I liked Johanna Constantine, because it makes it seem like this is taking place in a different universe. And that's why characters are different.

[@Dean-ui5js]

I’m sorry did you say episode 6 was incoherent?? That was the best episode in the series !!

[@Remow2112]

Out of all the comic adaptations I have watched (most of them) this is best one I have seen. It stays very close to the source material and the changes don't rip the comic fan out of the story. I thought the actor that played Dream nailed it and while I wish they had stuck with the eggshell white Death wearing all black the actress they chose did a good job of giving the feel of Death from the comic. There is an impish playfulness with the ability to be empathetic instantly. She did a great job portraying that feeling.

[@mystaniceguy]

I didn’t like how they replaced John Constantine with Johana.

[@pongobok3000]

Why

[@GaboObando]

John was restricted by Warner, so Neil went with the character he created as a replacement, altough he confessed that he wanted to use Johanna anyway.

[@mystaniceguy]

@@pongobok3000 cause John Constantine is a DC legend. Would have been cool to see him live action.

[@agm5424]

They should have just made her the same Victorian era Johanna Constantine that is somehow still alive by the modern era and make her Sherlock style high class detective archetype as opposed to John Constantine's hard boiled down in the rough detective archetype. But all we got is a gender flipped bad copy of both John and the real Johanna, while the latter (og Johanna) just gets a two minutes appearance and no true development of story and character, again.

[@jasongarcia1886]

Me too

[@3rafamolina]

Cant wait for season 2, hope they do the cat story!

[@svanemy]

I hope so too. I am wondering how they will make it, if perhaps they go for pure animation, or the more realistic style.

[@daneg007]

his "controlling" father? controlling? i would hate to see what the writer of this list considers to be abusive. does the kid have to start losing limbs before you consider it more abusive than controlling? lol.

[@carson21211]

Those first few episodes are so, so good. I love occult themed stuff and comics. This show is amazing. If you have not watched, you are really missing out!

[@tsoupakis]

that exactly, the first few episodes, then suddenly become a heartless boring woke trush. it’s amazing how they destroyed everything in a breath. dreams arc and characters was ok. watchable and interesting most of the times, the moment his arc finished and the new started was rubbish.. from the antagonists to the new protagonists it was so empty and uninspiring. lost time i lost so fast interest in something was the first episode of the second season of west world

[@milutinstankovic4638]

I'm glad Sandman got a tv series adaptation, It was about time to adapt Sandman,I want Dream of Endless to appear in DC comics cartoons that would be cool

[@mjw1111]

I absolutely binged this series. For me, the real tell of a fantastic Netflix series is do I want to rewatch it. Sandman is rewatchable because it is so visually rich. It helps to not have concentrate on plot.

[@mackenziehaney989]

I've seen it three times now 🤣 I keep showing it to friends

[@davideberhardt6150]

Absolutely disagree with your conclusions about episode 6. It was simply two episodes in one, two perfectly executed episodes at that.

[@janlim0916]

It was an "ok" adaptation for me. The only thing I had issue with is the distracting genderswaps and some of the episodes, namely the last 2.

[@pab1381]

I thought Johanna was a descendant of John? Now they want a spin off of her. Idk dude I didn’t care for this.

[@bawsnitti]

@@pab1381 I had a hard time watching it too

[@__-vu8io]

They had a lot of LGBTQ people in the original comics but with the gender swapping netflix added even more, outside of the Magus were there any straight characters? lol

[@Nhawk316]

This....it was too woke for me

[@anastasiastellar2658]

@@Nhawk316 In anime there's a lot of our biggest phobia... "woeke" yet we love it 😂

[@christiansjolander86]

I really liked Sandman, the few things I did not like about it can be found in the Vortex story. I thought it had too many circumstances that could not be explained and too many "last second" events. It might follow the comic perfectly, I would not know, but the rest of the season was better imo and I would definetly watch season 2 and 3 as long as they are as good as season 1.

[@skyeperez8305]

Almost all of the vortex plot follows the comic (except for the Lyta portions). Unity’s end is the same but does happen differently as Rose’s mom is alive and it’s only 3 generations of the family (not 4) that exist. Corinthian is a little more explicit in his influence of the “collectors” in the comics but I like that they changed it just for his existence among humans being enough to create that much trouble. However, in the comic he isn’t the one who saves Rose and Jed from Fun Land, that would be Dream himself as Gilbert tells Rose to say “Morpheus” should she be in trouble as he picked up on her being a possible vortex.

[@kimt1237]

Episode 5, wherein Dream and Death have an prolonged, insightful, Well acted, well edited, well written, time on screen is profoundly well done. Furthermore, this so-called review does nothing to explain why this episode was particularly weak or somehow degenerate to the other episodes. It’s interesting, when one looks to other sources the episode that this reviewer claims is the weakest is often seen as one of the strongest. Therefore, I must wonder what the real reason the claim of episode five being degenerate might be? Might there be some deviation from the source material involving Death that this reviewer just can’t seem to stomach? Sad and inaccurate review of a profoundly well done and well written story.

[@roberts5539]

I agree with your view of episode 6 (The Sound of her Wings) as a good one. It developed Dreams character, and explained why Death didn't intervene in Dream's imprisonment. The short vignettes of Death's work was enough as a glimpse into her role and how she overcame her own loneliness. "I don't do it alone." I don't see the reviewers comments as unjustified though, as we see stories differently, depending on our own live experiences. The review's value is in seeing the show through someone else's eyes. I disliked 24/7, I felt it was insufferably boring. Maybe because I knew what was coming. Others seem to like it.

[@DieAlteistwiederda]

So far pretty much everyone I've talked to stated that the Death and Hob combination episode was their favorite. Those two stories work well together in my opinion as they serve to humanize Dream and show how he has changed and how he interacts with the world around him. The split of the episode did not bother me after the first few seconds where I had to figure out what we were doing now in the show

[@agm5424]

I really didn't like that they gave a crucial part of John Constantine's origin story to Johanna C., specifically the Astra incident wich is a very fundamental and personal event in John Constantine's background. They've missed the chance of making something original out of Johanna C. like making her the actual ancestor of John that is somehow still alive after hundreds of years and make her archetypically close to a classical victorian/high end detective as opposed to John's hard boiled/down in the rough detective archetype. But nope they did a supergirl again and just basically turned her into a gender flipped John and thus a bad copy of both John and the real/original Johanna Constantine.

[@L0ngThanh]

Yeah , her story becomes literally John’s with more blank personality

[@shaycormaic5365]

Agreed

[@organfuneralcovers]

Its the nutdicks adaption. I can't even watch it. It looks so bad. John was my favorite DC character until rebirth when they turned his comic into a gay interracial romance comic. Dc and marvel are dead.

[@peacemen6460]

Yes this what i need to read they ruin my boy John Contastine RIP.

[@perry7777]

The actress is a wet noodle. They couldnt even get the jacket right.

[@DecMc]

I bought the Sandman comics as they came out, not in anthology, individual comics. Unfortunately, I sold all my comics to fund a house move, which I regret. I remember a special issue with a glow in the dark cover. I have watched the first episode of Sandman on Netflix and will watch more tonight. I hope it does justice to the comic. Alan Moore always said comics and film are different mediums. He took no royalties from the films and gave them away. That is extreme, but he is the creator, so up to him. But after Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns, Sandman was the biggest seller. I hope it all goes well.

[@TheLadyDelirium]

Did you watch it? What did you think?

[@DecMc]

@@TheLadyDelirium I thought it was very well done. The same as American Gods TV series, by Gaiman, only different. I did not fully understand American Gods, especially the last 2 episodes. I never read the novel. But Sandman was relatable. Yes, they changed Death from pale white to black, but Delirium was exactly right, androgynous and creepy, And a back stabber. Also, the Corinthian was pitch perfect. So scary. They have so much more from the comics to mine, I would definitely watch another series.

[@CrashBashL]

In Comics, not everyone was gay.

[@danielmolnar1558]

Just say you didn't actually read the comics.

[@edwinchigozie215]

@danielmolnar1558 you know what he meant, he meant it's very toned down, everything is somehow less epic here

[@RobertRigbyMusic]

I thought episode 6 was fantastic! One of the best small screen experiences I’ve ever had!

[@mikkoargonza]

Episode six was easily one of the best in the season though.

[@luxlightly6833]

Even before watching this I can tell you the title is OBVIOUS clickbait cuz as a huge fanatical fan of the comic I can assure you there are no "major" changes. All changes were either to edit out DC characters they didn't have the rights to, to make it more suitable for the screen, but mostly to EXPAND the storyline and add to the impact. This is the MOST true to the comic adaptation that has EVER been made, and trying to pretend otherwise is frankly doing a huge disservice to the industry and the fans.

[@luxlightly6833]

And indeed after watching every "change" you cited was not only NOT "major" but were made for the reasons I already stated.

[@rinxmacaroni2085]

Ikr, the story is basically the same

[@RooseveltCoopling]

Sandman's pale complexion was based on Robert Smith's face 35 years ago.

[@niziosgm]

The Sandman needs a "Cassern Sins" type animation. Perfect atmosphere

[@nic0lemari338]

American Gods was AMAZING!!! I personally dont feel like it failed. 😫 I thought casting also was absolutely amazing !

[@axebeard6085]

I found Netflix's Sandman INCREDIBLY unsatisfying. But I couldn't figure out why I felt so unsatisfied until I went back and read the comics. What Netflix gave us is the same thing that Disney would give us if they adapted H.P. Lovecraft's "The Dunwich Horror". The comics are dark. Disturbingly dark. For me, watching this show was like biting into a delicious ribeye steak only to find out that its really just cotton candy in disguise.

[@TheLadyDelirium]

I enjoyed it on a surface level of seeing some scenes and places come to life but it can't possibly compare to the comics. It genuinely felt life changing when I first read them but I can't imagine the series having the same effect.

[@CaesiusX]

_"Far from flawless"_ is certainly a kind way to put it. I don't begrudge others enjoyment of it, but I found it terribly lackluster, and many of the changes outright distracting. _Sturrage_ had the right look for Morpheus, to be sure. And I hope non-readers found the show serviceable. Sadly, I didn't.

[@pab1381]

They made way more characters gay then they needed to. Some I understand but the entire diner scene everybody was gay aside from one person.

[@bawsnitti]

I found the show drab and borderline unwatchable

[@Mrsierramist1]

@@pab1381 Ton of gay characters in the comics. It has been some years, but I read the comics and also loved the show. I have some nitpicky things, like anyone will when consuming media, but the changes didn't bother me.

[@forksssss8483]

@@pab1381 good god shut up. Are you really that pissed that a bunch of gay people were on screen for like 30 sec?

[@luxlightly6833]

Condolences on your sense of taste.

[@darrenkeady6570]

My first dip into this was the Audio book #1 and I really enjoyed it. I then found out about this show and I watched all of it and then I bought the whole 5 Volumes of the books. It takes me a while to read things but volume is awesome. I’m glad I got into this.

[@somersetcace1]

I haven't read the comics, yet, but as a stand alone story I'm all in. The entire underlying concept is fantastic and it borrows from so many myths, legends and theological concepts, to form this surprisingly deep `examination` if you will, into human nature or perhaps the `human condition.` I was particularly intrigued with Desire and Despair being what appears to be a play off of Buddhist theology. "desire and ignorance lie at the root of suffering." While suffering and despair are not exact synonyms, it's pretty close.That they are twins, is brilliant. Indicating they came into being at the same time. One, lying at the root of the other. I look forward to more seasons and I think I'll read the comics up to where this season ends so as not to spoil any future seasons of the Netflix series. It's also encouraging that this is all based on comics because even if Netflix cancels this, I can still read the story.

[@anthonygavalas841]

Awesome👍 i love the evolution of Dream

[@thesenate4815]

This show really has DIVERSITY slapped on its front

[@robkern9255]

Ok, I thought I was the only one who noticed this.

[@jerryhenderson6818]

Every thing is interracial or the dark characters are the ones with most power or the perfect person. Opposite of reality . No wonder why people worship blacks.

[@karkarrot5786]

@@robkern9255 you would have to be an idiot to not notice the diversity but you cant say it made the story worse bc they acted their parts well regardless

[@chrish2883]

I don’t know the source material but every episode every new character everyone was gay/lesbian… at some point it just became completely unrealistic n I stopped watching

[@Imozart0341I]

@@chrish2883 I was about to for the same reasons but then i thought about it, they’re demons, they have no sexual preference.

[@michaelh9649]

That is such a wildly hot take you snuck in there about episode 6 lol. It’s the highest rated episode of the series by far, and I think you’re the first person I’ve heard knock it like that.

[@MrKhho100]

Rose's actor lost me at the very end. But the first act of season 1 was very very good. Even if it was changed a bit.

[@brucenatelee]

Her acting was kinda stiff, but also her and Lyta came off as selfish of wanting something they know they had little knowledge of having at everybody's expense.

[@ericvandruten]

I loved the Sandman comics. There was a long line of incredibly dark comics in that era, depicting a kind of blackness of a numbed-down and soulless world, where the protagonist would become a spark of hope, by reluctantly showing some small gesture of humanity.

[@eric.ko.]

I hope the show doesn’t try and link Sandman universe with the wider dc universe. I think it works better isolated from the traditional super hero stuff.

[@karkarrot5786]

they only have homages like jed watching static shock, the action figures, etc

[@sleeperyjeemtoybox]

Now they need to make Gaiman's inspiration for Sandman, Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality.

[@Luciopiacenza333]

Gayman? No thanks.

[@fierro7771]

I remember those books from when I was a kid in the early 80's. Did Gaimnan rip them off? Sounds like it

[@SandwichForsaken]

I watched and rewatched all ten episodes in two days. Lol!

[@theblackprotagonist5936]

Am I mistaken or was it not death that gave gadlin immortality and not dream?

[@Solo_Ascension]

episode 6 is my favorite episodes 7-10 were good but a lil preachy and honestly wasn’t a fan of the vortex she just didn’t seem like the right casting choice and wasn’t a fan of the acting but overall looking forward to next season

[@Steve.Maverick]

I didn’t like how he became a backup character

[@Solo_Ascension]

@@Steve.Maverick was thinking the same thing didn’t get the amount of screen time a mc would get compared to the vortex and other side characters

[@spiderphil]

Did they show Martain Manhunter and Mr Miracle?

[@carmenmayer6157]

I think the differences made the series. Things that work in comics don't always work on film and otherwise. They used the medium well without changing the source material from the comics too much or unnecessary

[@Jack_Orville_Trades1]

These aren’t creative change’s they are budget and political changes.

[@ally88350]

I absolutely adore Netflix for doing this, for wanting the author, for keeping close to the story but changing this that honestly feels just as right as the original.... Can't wait for season 2 ... just let us know which books it will incorporate.... that is my only plea, because I will wait till i put the chairs on the table, turn the lights out and lock the door behind me 😉

[@Aki-kh2qe-StreetKidZZZ]

The only thing I don't like is the whole rights about Constantine

[@thewkovacs316]

the main difference is that it's pretty much divorced from the dcu i also wouldve cast someone much younger for death

[@mandolorian162]

Death was amazing

[@chuckysmaria6466]

Aside from ethnicity what is death's actual look? I've seen a teenager version of death and a young woman version. I know that they don't "grow old".

[@thewkovacs316]

@@mandolorian162 she is a good actor, but in the comic, dream goes out of his way to note that death is his older sister and gaiman and the artists go out of their way to make her look and act younger. it's about irony...and that is lost with a 35 year old actor

[@thewkovacs316]

@@chuckysmaria6466 all of the endless can choose to look how they want. it's why anyone upset at gender or race swaps is nuts...it's just that i miss the irony of seeing dream with an older sister who appears to be much younger than he is.

[@chuckysmaria6466]

@@thewkovacs316 OH Yes. Death pretty much have these weird opposite characteristics She's older and acts as an older sister, yet appear younger than most of her siblings. She wear goth cloths but is vibrant and full of life. Her sphere of influence is life and death yet her personal domain is a humble room. Fitting characteristics for someone who embodies life and death.

[@luxlightly6833]

Also you could not be more wrong in your estimation of the 6th episode. You'll note in IMDB it's one of the most highest rated episodes. So, sorry you failed to understand how beautifully moving it was, but clearly most of the audience did.

[@PedroM-jk5vv]

As a fan of the graphic novels, I did like the series in general. However… strong mixed feelings about the casting. Some were great, but many were awful and made no sense.

[@goblinsuburb]

which castings didn’t you like?

[@thesenate4815]

Also straight people were a minority. It broke inmersion

[@lordoffaiyum9727]

@@thesenate4815 lol always the case now. I can't watch it anymore. Its a war on hetero in the world. Rather disgusting

[@S....]

@@goblinsuburb Dream, Constantine, Fiddler's Green were great. Doctor Destiny was ok. The rest are mistake.

[@goblinsuburb]

@@S.... how so? i thought the casting was great. death and destiny were especially good, despite how much people complain about them. i also thought corinthian was good. honestly i can’t really think of a casting decision i’d change

[@talhabuzdar844]

Background song name?

[@derek8700]

The gender swapping and change in how I expected the characters to appear were too much for me too enjoy the series. I wanted to love this show too.

[@thesenate4815]

Straight people were a minority in this show. It looked like a parody

[@ganjalord42]

@@thesenate4815 the only straight white man in the show is foster black kid beater

[@tempest-523]

I couldn't stand when they did that to Lucifer. One of the complaints to my wife. I didn't like when they gender swapped the angel in Constantine, and I didn't like it with what they did here. Also, while she was good in game of thrones she is NOT beautiful, and Lucifer Morningstar was supposed to be the most beautiful Angel created by God. Not only was it piss poor to gender swap the character, it was also horrible casting.

[@tempest-523]

@@thesenate4815 I made the same comment above. It was like every 3rd person was gay. They even forced straight people to have gay encounters in the diner. They even brought in a gay story line of the cook and the waitresses son, even though the son is not even part of the story at all, you don't even get a flashback to see him. There was ZERO point to add that in there other to add another gay component to the story line. Describing it as a parody is very accurate.

[@livrowland171]

@@tempest-523 More than every third character! Almost every character whose sexuality was shown/mentioned was gay or bi!

[@losagaletuligasenoa7759]

omg love this series especially the dreamlord...desire is awesome totally great job in having the actors match the characters cannot wait for the next season!! i love the bird matthew so cute!!

[@lilypadrocks872]

The show would have been a marvel if it was animated

[@shaycormaic5365]

Lmao no

[@viderevero1338]

@@donpula6349 No, he meant the actual word "Marvel". Like "Excellent, or Amazing". Not the literal company Marvel. LOL

[@ChangesOfTomorrow]

It was an amazing adaptation, the only thing I sort of disliked was using the same actress for Johanna Constantin twice - it felt confusing, got me wondering if Dream said he met modern day Joahnna's ancestors or Johanna was somehow made immortal by him, too.

[@tearodman]

Jenna Coleman had played lots of versions of her as Clara Oswald in Doctor Who, lol

[@ChangesOfTomorrow]

@@tearodman yes, how does that relate to a completely different series? If I was to take into account it would only further add to the confusion considering all those Claras were different versions of the same person and not relatives

[@tearodman]

I think it's a common resource used on TV and I'm ok with it. Outlander and supernatural as I recall used the same resource.

[@sjzara]

“Far from flawless”? Seriously? It’s an amazing adaptation of the story. If anything, it’s close to flawless.

[@dimitrisbababa]

Sandman is supposed to be stronger than Death. The dream is supposed to be the most important aspect of life even if humans don't understand its importance. In the comic, the character takes B.S. from no one and he is wiser and smarter than everyone. In the adaptation, his crow is giving him advice which Morfeas takes and also denies his orders straight up. Constantine also defies him and sends the demon back to hell and Lusen is giving him the looks. They cut off the scene where he gets violent to the demon at the doors of hell, and the way he dismisses the -living in the dream ghost husband - without a fuck about anything. and so many more little things that build the character. In the books he is the most powerful arrogant prick there is focused only on him and his functions and now he is someone who needs a crow to saw him the way. It's a ridiculous adaptation storywise. The very good frame-by-frame pictures are not saving the story gaps. Disappointment.

[@sjzara]

@@dimitrisbababa Sandman was never stronger than death, and he certainly isn’t wise or smart in the comic. He’s vulnerable and frequently doesn’t fully understand what is going on. However, all this would require a lot of back story. The theme of the story in the comics is change, and how much one can and should adapt to it. That’s well-covered so far in the series.

[@milosch666]

@@dimitrisbababa it seems to me that you haven't actually read the comics. In the episode The Sound of Her Wings the dialogue between Death and Dream is almost perfectly adapted from the comic issue. So in fact, Dream DOES take advise from Death and is most definitely not wiser than her. Idk where you get the idea that Dream/Morpheus is the most powerful of the Endless, but surely it is not conveyed in the comics.

[@OsirisNeits]

@@dimitrisbababa Dream was never more powerful than Death, who is second only to Destiny in power.

[@dimitrisbababa]

@@milosch666 no no i'm a big fan. If you read my comment you will see that the advice that I mention is from the crow. As far as Morfeas being the ' stronger.' arrogant prick you can watch the series at the episode you mention at 38"40. "'They fear the sunless lands, yet they enter your realm every night without fear- And yet I am far more terrible than you. " About the "wiser" ok that was wrong . He is more like an arrogant prick that takes no shit. About the '" frequently doesn’t fully understand what is going on that is mentioned in the other comment by steve zara, the first time Morpheus says " I'm not sure what is happening: is when Rozi's grandmother appears and says that she is the vortex, Anyway my point is that the characters ark in the first book is from an arrogant know-all distant prick king to a more gentle hero..Just a bit. He gets to be more human later on in the books. In the series that arche is broken cause the hero doesn't start as a distant powerful arrogant prick to become a gentle caring hero. In the books, he doesn't use the dragon thing to take power but a paper- a contract or something. In the series, he takes the energy from the dragon just to give it back a few scenes later. In the books when the demon at the door of hell is giving him shit he grabs him by the face and sends him rolling to a wall ,that's cut off in the series. In the books, he sent the husband's ghost back to the dead ignoring in total the tears of the wife and her pain, in the series, the scene is underplayed although that move will cost him a later...don't want to spoil what will happen cause of that scene and the baby. He is not gentle at all at first and so when by the end of the book he is a bit more human we have o good heroes ark. In the series, we start with a dude that cares for Lucien, the nightmare, the dragon, takes advice from his crow and all that and we end up hearing from filchers green that he changed to a more gentle king. .. Show don't tell....The arche of the character is broken, Hope my point is understood.

[@fanngurl164]

This episode was stellar.

[@fanngurl164]

Episode 6

[@i3Deadpool]

The race swaps and gender swaps ruined it for me. I’m sorry. I like iconic characters to look Iconic.

[@Reingnus]

True enough, I have no idea why the need to do these kind of changes. They forced politics that are pointless and do nothing but taint a sourse material.

[@shadowseer07]

By iconic you mean white?

[@Reingnus]

@@shadowseer07 Yes, if it is iconic and happens to be white, then yes. Just Imagine if Black panther or Falcon was done by a white dude, it would be just as preposterous.

[@navbuoy]

@@Reingnus Be careful what you wish for. I did not have an affinity for any of the casting for Black Panther, Falcon and even War Machine. Cheadle is a phenomenal actor but he didn't have the build just lacking that physical presence Howard had - same goes for Mackie and Boseman (but commend him considering what he was up against.) I warmed up to all of them as they grew into their characters but there were much better physical actors (also with talent) out there. Now, Ejiofor as Mordo was awesome and he was a swap! Just because they have the complexion doesn't mean you would be any happier with their choice.

[@Reingnus]

@@navbuoy But that doesnt mean much for my point, really. All I am saying is that if the source material has a black dude or a white dude as a certain character, then be mindful and respectful of that and use a black ir white dude to play the character, nothing more. Now, the casting of the people can be good or bad within that selection, but that is another conversation.

[@Infamous_wu13]

of the trillions of planets in the multiverse why specifically earth

[@coreywharton6494]

Funny enough episode 6 is my favorite

[@darkecofreak23]

I quite disagree with you about The Sound Of Her Wings and Men Of Good Fortune being a haphazard mess when put together. Dream has just spent a time with his sister as she does her duty, seeing how humans react to her presence and reflecting on how they’re always scared of her, and then he happens upon the tavern where he always meets probably the only human he would call friend, Hob Gadling, who fittingly if unwittingly is not scared of her, or him. The segue is exceedingly well done, and Episode 6 is among my favorites in the season.

[@brucenatelee]

I wasn't sure if Sandman was related to DC. Thought the Constantine, Astra, and Mazikeen connection was coincidental, like Christian mythology or something, mainly because I didn't think of Johanna being "female John."

[@lastknightofhonor8998]

I was Bullshit, gender swapped John Constantine

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

In the comics John Dee didn’t escape from some unnamed psych ward from Buffalo, NY. He escaped from Arkham Asylum from Gotham City.

[@savagepatty]

What I don’t understand is the source material had a spin off about Lucifer moving to earth. That Lucifer got picked up by Netflix years ago but when they adapt this source material it’s from they chose to cast Lucifer Morningstar as Gwendolyn christie not the already established Tom Ellis?

[@Ash-ep1nz]

ROSE's STORY WAS MOST BORING.. FOR ME SANDMAN ENDED AT EPS 6.. AFTER HE MEETS DEATH.

[@paolazenoni1580]

Tom is perfect

[@pickledpelican2094]

First 6 episodes were fantastic...last 4 ...no so much

[@KidxChaos01]

i keep hearing about lyta being ww daughter but I'm pretty sure that isnt the canon in the sandman universe. pretty sure that was a back story from decades before.

[@demonsinmysemon]

Nah, gender flips was to make diversity quota. Just wokelese. Thanks for the content.

[@eduardochavacano]

since i didnt get to read the comic, it will just be Pure Fun.

[@edmit2001]

The series is good but not sure why 70% of characters are LGBT+. I'm Gay but it is like watching TV series made by Grindr.

[@name2913]

I know right they were somemany gay people in the show

[@MrKhho100]

You're worried about the wrong thing.

[@fazzification]

Agreed. Everyone's gay for some reason.

[@name2913]

@@MrKhho100 we not worried about anything we just saying there so many gay people in the show

[@danbongard3226]

You're really bad at math if you think anything close to 70% of the characters are LGBT+.

[@HipnoDark]

I have the first 9 comics original. Excellent.

[@punkfacexo6066]

Where is John Constantine? :(

[@thewkovacs316]

pretty clear that dc would not allow them to use him pretty clear that many of the dc characters who appeared in the series were not allowed to be used stupid move by dc

[@jasonbarkley4586]

The couldn't use John Constantine because someone has the rights to him so they created Joanna

[@thewkovacs316]

@@jasonbarkley4586 dc/wb has the rights. the parent company has chosen to divorce sandman from mainstream dcu continuity. gaiman is totally mum about this just as he was mum about how much harry potter stole from books of magic has a lot to do with the fact that part of the agreement, gaiman has held total creative control over sandman and they cant do to it what they did to watchmen

[@renelima6743]

How did you like sandman punkfaceXO??

[@thewkovacs316]

@@jasonbarkley4586 forgot to note that johanna is in the sandman comics, but she is john's ancestor.

[@brandonbaerga4972]

Can be a 5 season series about to read the omnibus as well

[@RirtyDascal]

The BEST thing this series did, was throw us that bone-us episode, for those of us that binged it quickly and were immediately thirsty for more! I can’t wait for season two. I’m ready to see an “Endless” war.

[@interactiveillusionist]

Did the comics focus so very much on LGBTQ Characters?

[@exquisitecorpse__]

Yeah quite a lot. Neil Gaiman won an award for it.

[@Reingnus]

While it did had one and was lgbt stuff in it, it was nowhere close as in the show. Here they went overdrive with it.

[@exquisitecorpse__]

@@Reingnus no they didn't. It was everywhere throughout the comics.

[@Reingnus]

@@exquisitecorpse__ Please, pay attention to what I´ve said before answering. I said that it existed, but the show put even more of it.

[@exquisitecorpse__]

@@Reingnus there is as much in the show as there was in the comic. Get over yourself.

[@myragroenewegen5426]

I'm bothered by a very intentional softening of the way much of the imprisonment in Sandman is shown. The specificity of the obvious references to drug addiction ruining a person and their life, as well as some of the more fantastic magic immagery is left out of the Constantine episode, and I'm sad about it. I think the extended fantasy exploration of what drug use has to do with the need for dreams and detachment from reality and the honest look at the havoc drugs can reek is really in need of the humane but unflinching look it gets in the comic book, so I wish the series had preserved more of that. It's part of a larger trend of a certain gritty representation being softened and removed. One of the visual themes in the comic book is seeing character after character emaciated and imprisoned in squalor by truly malicious people. Rachel (or the Constantine story), Jed, Calliope and Lita Hall (from the Hector and Lita Hall story) are all imprisoned or self-imprisoned in this way and all but Calliope are literally fleeing these destroyed real lives for better ones in their sleeping dreams. I think this emphasis on the contrast between the rand dreams of power and freedom people escape into and the daily neglect and abuse they may never escape as they dream is a dose of reality which is a shame to lose in The Sandman. Regardless of where they go with Lita and Rose Walker, I do kinda wish we'd met her like in the comics and that she'd woken up in the impoverished and forgotten state she did in the comics. In the comics, she is a bored housewife being kept by Hector in his world and only barely suspects something mst be off. The comment on the suburban American dream there is something I missed seeing explored in the show.

[@stanleyteriaca2184]

There should be a video explaining each and every "horror host" characters of the DC Universe. They are: Cain and Able (The House of Mystery and The House of Secrets) The Witches Three (The Witching Hour) Destiny (The House of Secrets?) Lucien (The House of Secrets?) Death (skeletion soilder version from Wierd War Tales).

[@wolfie7635]

What got me was when Hob was talking about the slave trade on one of his meetings, when they had black people walking around the background dressed as wealthy people, it may sound petty but the historical innacuracy gets me you wouldn’t get wealthy black people in Europe or America during the slave trade

[@shaycormaic5365]

Not even the black SLAVE OWNERS?

[@shaycormaic5365]

Cope harder

[@chuckysmaria6466]

Also Unity. Rich black family in ww1? Was britain already that progressive during that time?

[@Lilylightbourn]

Actually just there would have still been free black people able to walk around in and out anywhere.

[@krillin7653]

What gets me is that almost every character is gay! Is it like that in the comics? Show is ok but probably won’t watch a season 2

[@TheAaroquesi]

to be honest there's was no need to swap sex o race to some of the main characters, unfortunately that's what we have swallow this days and it's very irritating

[@eansba88-]

Did it detract from the characters, change their motives, wants, story arc? Genuinely curious, have you seen the new predator flick, "prey"? If so, were you one of the folk that preferred the original predator from the 80s, to the reboot because of the female lead?

[@tempest-523]

@@eansba88- Yes gender and race swapping is a distraction. Lore is important. People get emotionally invested into characters and the development they enjoyed throughout the story line. Changing anything in that lore, whether it be race, gender, ability's, personality, whatever is a distraction and lazy writing. Shows the writers inability to incorporate an interesting character into the story that is X demographic. Prey wasn't bad because it had a female lead... it was bad because the writers were bad. They wrote their own problem, let me explain. She had to have this big kill to be praised and accepted as a hunter by the tribe. But they couldn't let her just kill the lion or bear because they had to have the build up to fight the Predator. So they have her failing time and time again at killing stuff just to get her to the Predator fight... but by doing so they made it that much more unbelievable that she could have killed the Predator who is way more dangerous and intelligent. Finally, as part of the piss poor writing, she goes from getting her butt kicked by two of her tribesmen to the very end where she magically got these Jason Bourne skills and is slaughtering dude after dude in the hunters camp. No where in the buildup in the story line did she develop this skill set to show character development. The only really good thing I praised in the movie is they didn't bite off the mud scene, it looked like they were, but she wound up using the flower petals which they foreshadowed throughout the movie... very good, they tricked me with her getting the mud thinking they were going to crap the bed and steal from the original to turn it around and surprise me... I liked that.

[@Reingnus]

Yes, it is a problem. Not only by what the other user said wonderfully, but because its becoming more and more common. They are forcing an agenda of divercity that at this point looks more like racism and a fuck you to straight people.

[@S....]

@@eansba88- Yes it did. At least for a fan like me. There were reasons, details and all the little flavors as to why a character look and act as he/she does. For example in the comics, Death was Dream's older sister yet visually looked and acted very young, was very cheerful yet looked looked like a pale goth, etc. There were many details like that. And nothing like that in the series, she was played by an older afro-american actress and none of those subtleties were included. One may say she was even the opposite of that. She was also based on the model, a friend of both Neil and comic artist, who was killed, and it feels a bit wrong to just scrap her. Just like Lucifer was based on David Bowie and now is different... And for me it's not about gender or race, it is about change - I was as mad as they changed Lucifer in the previous netflix series from light skinned, light-eyed blonde to dark-haired, brown-eyed man. It is unnecessary and unrespectful.

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

@@S.... The entire point of the series was that who we are on the inside matters more than who we are on the outside. You just missed the point. Possibly by choice.

[@mukkaar]

I watched the series and it's pretty good. But after you think about it a bit afterwards it's pretty crazy how many fatal, easy to exploit weaknesses lord of dreams has. He can be summoned and trapped relatively easily, he is pretty inept without his tools that can be stolen. He can't even easily find those tools :D:D

[@S....]

There is a reason why he was captured so easily in the first place - he spend a massive amount of power rebooting the universe, after he fucked up and everyone went mad and started killing each other. And as for other weaknesses - it's the netflix series that made him so dumb and pathetic, things were different in original works and made more sense.

[@vexusxenos4188]

Constantine was HORRIBLY cast. Lucifer is not an endless so his form is not perception based, he should have been a dude, the actress is AMAZING but not who should have played lucifer. Almost everything else was fantastic!

[@elliotphillips7636]

While you are correct that Lucifer is not perception based, that doesn’t mean he should be a dude. In the original books/comics, Lucifer is androgynous in that they weren’t male or female so casting either was technically an inaccurate choice. But like you said, Gwendoline was amazing so I don’t think there’s much reason for complaint here

[@vexusxenos4188]

@@elliotphillips7636 in the comics they self identify as male and are referred to by every other character as "he/him/his/son" The art used for his character and his character in general was inspired by David Bowie, who was extremely genderfluid true, but they are very clearly male in the Endless comics. The Gender fluidity was a change NG made when writing his version of Lucifer, as in DC comics this Gender fluidity does not exist, he is very clearly male and male identifying. Like I said I think she is an amazing actress, but I definitely don't think she should have been cast as Lucifer, we have yet to get a comics accurate on screen appearance of Lucifer, Tom Ellis was amazing to but he wasn't even close to Lucifer from DC comics.

[@meowmeowunknow]

Lucifer has not have gender, sir.

[@NocturnOni]

Thanks. I need to find the comic book.

[@DchanZockt]

So what you get to see here from the comics, the Netflix adaptation seems pretty tame in comparison. Oh, and why does he only use that weird helmet once in the series? (Would it be too easy to find certain people otherwise?).

[@songsayswhat]

I don't remember him using the helmet much in the comics, but it's been years since I read them. I may not remember correctly. I want to say he saw the error he made by investing so much of his power into objects. I don't remember him using them much as the series went on.

[@jobowisheshewasnomo4171]

i think in the comics he absorbs his tools because like lucifer said, relying on tools is a trap.