Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen Origins - First and Only Ruling Queen of the Seven Kingdoms - Explored

Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen Origins - First and Only Ruling Queen of the Seven Kingdoms - Explored
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[@Ms.Byrd68]

As far as the comparison between Rhaenyra & Dany is concerned, we are going to see WHY Rhaenyra became what she became and understand it's progression; whereas with Dany, they FLIPPED her in TOO SHORT A TIME! We may come to 'hate' Rhaenyra but at least we will understand what happened to make her the TYRANT she ended up as...

[@chrischros8790]

If you watched closely there have always been hints at Daenerys' dark side right from S1. She often choose measures that really didn't fit with a benevolent ruler and she clearly showed that she craved the Iron Throne for its own sake.

[@janellejulianajoy]

Rhaenyra's turn happens after losing those she loved and betrayal. Same as Daenerys. The difference is the fact that Dany witnessed the deaths of all of those she lost and like Rhaenyra, she's betrayed. Daenerys was pissed and if you really look at it, many Targ"s succumbed to madness via anger and paranoia. Her turn wasn't out of character as we've never seen her in this position. So how can we possibly say what she would do?

[@janellejulianajoy]

And grief! Daenerys was still human. She lost a lot in a span of two seasons. Mix that with a determination to become Queen by any means necessary and you get a disaster.

[@sundawg911]

@@chrischros8790 I agree with your points, to me it comes down to the rushing of it in the final season. I think if they took the time to really show her grief of Dany, maybe even spend an ep focused on her it would have done more justice to her character esp with her going into madness. Yes they hinted at her darker side but they also showed growth as well from S1 to the final season. To me it just comes down to poor writing and short season.

[@sacredseeds5240]

I agree! With Rhaenyra we get to witness her descent, everything that makes her lose it. We get to understand and sympathize but also understand that she was no longer fit to sit the throne. I hate the way they just made Dany snapped with little to no hints of her mentality.

[@tawhneebaby]

I thought in Game of Thrones [show] Cersei was the first queen, but in Fire and Blood [book], Raenyra sat the throne for 6 months. I was confused...but I guess since Aegon II scrapped that from the history books, she was forgotten about...I don't know...

[@jonathanl9229]

It happens in our own history. Rulers often attempt to erase their predecessors.

[@tawhneebaby]

@@jonathanl9229 true

[@javy1852]

Cersei was the first official queen though she had no right to it , she just took it. Rhaenerya is not recognized as an official Queen in the history books due to Aegon II’s erasing her. Daenerys , as the known last Targaryen and having a dragon , would’ve been recognized as queen but she died having never been crowned. So Rhaenyra and Daenerys are remembered as just claimants to the throne.

[@diegomacias17]

@@javy1852Cersei is just queen in the series bc the writters did what they wanted, in the books she is just the regent of her sons

[@ChrisSuttles-n8q]

Cersei was only Queen Reagent

[@tytybaby06]

Yea the show aging up Rhaenyra & aging down Alicent & Laena was a bit weird to me but I understood it. I root for Rhaenyra either way because she was named the heir! Book Rhaenyra is definitely more spoiled & ruthless from the beginning but I don’t like the Daenerys comparisons. Rhaenyra grew us as a princess with an inheritance at the height of Targaryen power! Daenerys had nothing but a name & an abusive brother & didn’t have any ambitions or entitlement to the throne at 1st she just wanted a home. So Daenerys going for the throne was out of duty of being the last of her house. The show did a horrible job of showing her “descent” into madness it was rushed & underdeveloped & made no sense. Rhaenyra lost her father, her birthright, & a baby in the same day! Then to loose another child right after! You could see how she turned! Daenerys spared jaime Lannister with whom she heard bedtime stories about killing yet killed hundreds of thousands of innocents after they surrendered! So she was mad enough to burn innocent children alive but not mad enough to burn her father’s killer who was going to aid her enemy? Yea ok f*ck you dumb & dumber!

[@youngveteran6368]

We would have great dialogue about the dumpster fire that is S8 😂😂 you get it👍🏽

[@historicalgarb8790]

As the Dance is based on the period of English History known as the Anarchy, Matilda and Rhaenyra are remarkably similar. Both lost their crowns to make relatives (Cousin Stephen and Brother Aegon). While Matilda was much luckier and lost none of her children while Rhaenyra was the opposite and lost over half of them in a 1 year period. Matilda also did not have the luxury of a supportive father and love of the people as Rhaenyra had. But both women gained and lost their crowns in similar ways. Both conquest and won the Capitals causing their opponents to essentially bend the knee to their reign. But of course when they arrived the treasury was dry and they had no access to funds. Hence the taxation, but with Matilda not only did she lose support of her people the council as well as they essentially gave her up. Both women reigned for Six Months before being run out of the capital. Matilda thankfully made it safely while sadly we all heard what happened to Rhaenyra. But what’s funny again is that both women have been essentially scrubbed from their history books. With Matilda being “Lady of the English” and Rhaenyra just being a Princess. They also won in the long run with both of their Dynasties moving on to survive. Although of course Rhaenyra’s isn’t as lucky in about 200 something years and all but dies out in the show. But hopefully in the books Dany is successful.

[@catherinemichelle7260]

She doesn’t actually have the love of the people. The people love Helaena, Alicent’s daughter.

[@Cam-jv7qy]

I do wish they make these shows more book accurate. People, places. I mean they have the computer skills to make the castles more accurate but they don't. Winterfell is still hands down the biggest disappointment of the first show.

[@sassybdiy7565]

Well they can't make HOTD 'book accurate" because the book is based on accounts lol

[@javy1852]

Cersei was the first official queen though she had no right to it , she just took it. Rhaenerya is not recognized as an official Queen in the history books due to Aegon II’s erasing her, but bear in mind the council of 101 concluded that the crown shall pass to the nearest male descendant and that no woman shall inherit the crown so really king Viserys had no right choosing a successor ( ironically he wouldn’t have been king if it wasn’t for this resolution) , Daenerys , as the known last Targaryen and having a dragon , would’ve been recognized as queen but she died having never been crowned. So Rhaenyra and Daenerys are remembered as just claimants to the throne.

[@rowell669]

The great council just chose the ruler for that specific time. They set a precedent but it wasn’t a law, and if it was, Viserys could change it.

[@Mcherri]

A woman and male could inherit when visery’s ruled it wasn’t law and it wasn’t pushed it was only when this civil war happened they changed the laws

[@know846]

@@rowell669 no, there are laws that even the king can't change

[@Extremeredfox]

With Martin being invovled with production of the TV show it will be interesting to get definitive answers. I've heard others say that the books can't trusted b/c the sources are biased. It will be interesting to see if the show becomes the official source, and only Martin has the power and the authority to say.

[@DH-hn6mx]

The Black Queen 🖤

[@Usernumber777]

The best thing about the show is, they’ve made perfect character development! Everyone routing for Daemon or Aemond bad assery! Everyone loves Rhaenyra or milf queen Allicent!! They’ve made Aegon even far more complex: making him a fool the entire show and than when crowned he suddenly appears like a king and we somehow get sympathy with him. HBO has done it again..!

[@nicksmithnutmilk]

Aegon is better in the book though . Both as a character and as a person . - he actually cares about his kids and loves them and not ignores them - he shares a bed with Helaena and not ignores her - he only has 2 bastards ( any knight , Lord , Prince and King had that much ) - he never watched kids fight to death unlike in the show

[@Usernumber777]

@@nicksmithnutmilk ah ok ok, didn’t know, I always sympathised with Rhaenyra regardless but Aegon eventually became officially Aegon the second in Targaryen lines of succession

[@femalegays]

aegon's also not a rapist in the books. the account of him enjoying children fighting pits or s/aing anyone is in the books, was from someone who was by rhaenyra's side, literally, on dragonstone. the account of the person that was near him stated that he wasn't a faithful husband, but the worst he did was sleep w/ sex workers and he was in love w/ a particular sex worker. even more frustrating to see alicent be a bad mother since that's not even in the books at all, neither are her judgy or snarky lines. most were from rhaenyra in the books. but then again, aemond being bullied isn't depicted the same way as in the show, since it was glossed over

[@damiongordon223]

The only queen to have sat on the iron throne was Cersei Baratheon. I hate that the show only calls her Cersei Lannister.

[@coldhands2802]

Lol the writers are so biased toward the greens, they couldn't even show the real history of Criston Cole breaking Harwins bones. Instead they show Harwin beating him up smh...

[@AshePBlack]

Martin said show was true and books were told by maesters who weren't there. While I believe Martin obviously because he's author, this depends how much show writers listen to him, which they seem to with house of the dragon. But the books could be favoring the greens if the maesters like them. The subtle differences from book to show don't matter if it's like Martin quoted

[@coldhands2802]

@@AshePBlack You don't understand.. Cole beating him in the joust and breaking his bones is not up for debate. Thousands of people seen it.

[@cliffordsmith8499]

Criston Cole breaking harwons bones was just one telling. I do believe there was at least one other story regarding that incident. It's seemed all the big moments in the book had at least two or more versions of each story told by different maester. They only record what a maester writes not what thousands see.

[@isaiah7985]

Rhaenyra ordered Vaemond and Laenor to be killed and was not as hesitant to start the war in the books. The writers have made people on both sides better than they were

[@titakaty53]

@Bla Bla lmao Viserys didn't want his children to get married wtf you're talking about??

[@joannehanna2590]

This is really good! Thanks and I just subscribed to this channel!! Now I'm going to re watch HOTD !! P.S. I absolutely agree with what was said at the end,,, Rhanerys and Daenerys Targaryens story's are in no way alike!! 🖤 ( Please excuse my spelling of the names! Obviously these aren't common names! ) 😉🤔

[@Lissyhead2]

What are the sources for this? Where are you getting the info about before the Targaryens?

[@oriesheppard8498]

I think they’re trying to correct how horribly the wrote Daenerys in season 8 by making Rhaenyra how they’ve made her.

[@Ms.Byrd68]

Yeah but it won't work since we can plainly SEE why Rhaenyra would become 'heartless'! It's about her 'babies', REAL BABIES, not _Dragons!_ Blood NOT BFFs! And it's about BETRAYAL by her BFF not her enemy (for her she couldn't believe Alicent would really KILL her child!) It doesn't mean we won't see things in Season 2 that make us TURN on her but at least we'll know WHY SHE BECAME THE WAY SHE DID!

[@agahpito902]

the showrunners are not D&D, that is not their mess to fix, also hbo dosn´t care as long as the cash keeps flowing xD

[@nicksmithnutmilk]

Maybe she's useless but Syrax is so cute

[@MiniKunoichi]

Fire and Blood is a history book written by the winning side of the Dance. Of course they’re going to paint her in a worse light than she probably was in reality.

[@notyetawomen5257]

Does that mean team green won then? Because it wouldn’t make sense if team black did this to their figure head. Unless internal shit happens in the inside of team black.

[@Doffythegoat]

@@notyetawomen5257 I think in years following the dance rhaenyra’s descendants even acknowledged that Aegon || claim was stronger than her own by right. Therefore she was in essence “usurping” the crown from the rightful heir. There’s a reason why no female ever had a claim to the throne in the generations following the dance.

[@notyetawomen5257]

@@Doffythegoat Thank you for explaining and this information makes me kinda happy, I could never support Rhaernya considering how much she sucked at ruling.

[@raf3765]

@@notyetawomen5257 I mean the rapist, drunkard, and founder of children fighting business is better than the Realms Delight? 🤡😂😂😂

[@raf3765]

@@notyetawomen5257 Bruh did you not read how Rhaenyra’s bloodline ruled in the end? Daenerys and Jon Snow are her descendants lol. How the Blacks literally did NOT give up even when Rhaenyra got killed? How Aegon II was POISONED by his own people? Are you that ignorant? 😂😂😂

[@lukitasmol10]

But most of what they say about Rhaenyra in the books its the perspective of the "winners" who wanted to damage her reputation. And we all know what happen in any patriarchal society what they say about most of woman that arise to power like Rhaenyra. Yeah, i agree the show kinda changed her to make her more palatable to the big public. She was arrogant and self-entitled, as any royalty. She was a princess and trained to rule, and i love the Rhaenyra from Milly Alcock, because she is very real and have some arrogant moments. But everyone grows and get more mature, and GEORGE RR MARTIN has a big participation on the show, so he maybe showing us some other perspective. Other thing is that i DISAGREE about Rhaenyra naming Baela's her heir and princess of Dragonstone. Baela is not her blood nor her daughter. SHE is the heir, and her blood will inherit. And If Joffrey had marry, and had a daughter> She would inherit. So that doesnt make much sense

[@mattquintana7814]

I don’t agree that by right Baela should have been named heir. She is Rhaenyras step daughter not of her own body. I don’t think that’s a good example of rhaenyra not changing the status quo

[@ykmani.5860]

She was going to inherit the iron throne anyway from being Jacearhys wife, I mean she would be queen consort, it wouldn’t really change much if Rhaenyra named her heir especially after Jacearhys death but I do understand your point she did have 2 younger sons from Daemon who had full Valyrian blood.

[@mattquintana7814]

@@ykmani.5860 exactly she does have a claim to the iron throne because she’s a Targaryen but it would be after rhaenyras two younger sons aegon and technically after alicents kids too. It would go Rhaenyras, then her kids then Aegon(Alicents son) and his kids then Aemond then Helaena and after her would be Daemon then finally It would be Baela. She’s technically 12th in line for the throne as it stands now. 11 if you consider that Luke is dead now

[@ykmani.5860]

@@mattquintana7814 someone said that Rhaenyra should have made Baela princess of driftmark instead of Lucerys this would not only show good will to the veleryons but this would also put another woman on a throne or high position that ally’s with team black. The veleryons would most likely not leave The blacks side at all.

[@nonunee5945]

_only ruling queen_ the title says, Cersei crying in a corner

[@pendragonsxskywalkers9518]

Cersei still isn't Queen regnant in the books

[@gunshinestatee]

I don't get it is the title click bait for a history lesson? Thought this was suppose to be just about Queen Rhaenyra 😵‍💫? Had to skip a quarter of the video to finally get to the part I wanted to watch

[@Enriquez2222]

Is she gonna attack the storm lands? Because I would, I know they didn’t cause the death but the king wasn’t much help either and it would send a message. I could be wrong but it’s just my opinion lol

[@rohanshende4338]

what message would it send? Rhaenyra killed the lord who stopped Aemond from taking Luke's eye in his castle? The other lords would turn on rhaenyra.

[@Mcherri]

@@rohanshende4338it is still a message since they weren’t allies of hers she can go after them but it was because of the decision lord made and sent Luc away instead of offering him to stay despite the storm is what killed him so still responsible partly.

[@femalegays]

​​@@Mcherrithat's crazy cause those actions are what rhaenyra does and it costed her the throne. no wonder y'all side w/ her, it makes sense that no one really acknowledges how stupid decisions like that would be. luce got there last and didn't have anything to offer. and even the payback targeted innocence, not the killer

[@sharonkaysnowton]

Rhaenyra was the queen! She deserved the IRON THRONE. The "Greens" wanted to steal the throne- and they did for a time.

[@PatrickCebron-yg8jg]

Damon kinda stupid too,he could have it only little brain missed.done wrong in every situation,he had suport of king but he lost it ,no brain only muscle

[@hannibal-elmrs.6275]

#TEAMBLACKS IM on Rhaenyra’s side! If Alicent honored the promise to her husband, she should’ve never came for her crown! Alicent was a dirty bird- naming her son king despite Jaserys wishes before even telling his first born he was dead! She KNEW she was wrong that’s why she murdered everyone who knew of the kings death! Every action yields a reaction, how can anyone say her REACTION was wrong? They usurped her crown, murdered her son- sorry for the casualties, they joined the wrong team 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@amandakushner8665]

because she’s just like her father, greedy and hungry for power I’m willing to bet that she was in on the plan from the beginning

[@mrbabyhugh]

9:16 I'm stopping right here, 9mins of total unnecessary things on the subject. I understand what you trying to do, but totally irrelevant.

[@nobertmathonsi7317]

She called herself queen but she wasn’t queen of the 7 kingdoms. She didnt even get a coronation. She occupied King Aegon II’s throne for half a year and fled the city when she was rejected by the peasants. Thats why history remembers her as Princess Rhaenyra not Queen Rhaenyra.

[@know846]

Queen??? She never became queen the only true queen ever was Cercie,, her own children didn't see her as queen ‘ magor with titis’

[@barbaraberrios9668]

👑🖤

[@oniichan4909]

I'm all for pointing out biasis the grand maesters have since that's an important aspect in considering sources of information but the constant use of: "incensitive" , "sexist" etc just doesn't make sense complaining about since this is a litteral fictional medieval Setting where that is the norm and our moralities don't exist. It's just fking annoying to hear the constant bitching, I don't escape into fantasy stories to be constantly reminded of our own worlds politics.

[@realdaggerman105]

But it is using a fictional world to explore real issues, as most good stories do?

[@groo_evo4927]

ok then don’t watch his videos..

[@oniichan4909]

@@groo_evo4927 this is the first vid of his that I've watched...... on that note I'm definitely not.

[@drfaisalkamal1275]

Nymeria

[@outforthecount7027]

Wasn’t Cersei queen ?

[@kristydoman3434]

Hello, yes.

[@ravenpoe62]

She was born before cersi so she would’ve bn first queen

[@rohanshende4338]

Rhaenyra and cersie were never queens in the books. Daenaerys is also not the queen yet. She is contesting with stannis and euron.

[@wayne47able]

@@rohanshende4338 Rhanerya was Queen. Aegon II erased the records after he killed her but she ruled as queen

[@PatrickCebron-yg8jg]

Lord corlys lost her dauther and brother becouse of damon ,son lenor becouse of rhaenyra and still goes with blacks,its not real they should go with greens in real life

[@zicario3030]

Are dragons non binary??

[@tawhneebaby]

I think dragons are instinctual like all others in the natural world and don't care about "societal norms" like humans do. For example dogs will hump anything that makes them happy, Clown fish will transition from male to female when the current female dies, and dolfins will masturbate with anything it wants whenever it wants regardless of the sex or species of that other thing. Gender is just not important to those creatures.

[@groo_evo4927]

yes

[@groo_evo4927]

@Angela Clement i’m not reading all that but good 4 u 🫶🏽

[@natesmith2408]

@@groo_evo4927 it's woke bullshit you didn't miss anything.

[@alexlefay]

No, they are very much binary, but it's theorised that dragons could change their sex if needed, like some animal species. So, IN THEORY, with only two dragons, you could revitalise the whole species, since even of they were both females, IN THEORY, one of them could become male.

[@Tit-Dirt]

Why didn't she just marry harwin? Was his house too low class?

[@RhaenyraTargaryen88]

Queen Rhaenyra!!!