Lee Haney vs Ronnie Coleman

[@thebodybeatdownDiTi]

Seems Haney gets forgotten many times in bodybuilding discussions. Glad to see him here.

[@Dane33602]

Agreed. He ruled bodybuilding when bodybuilding was at its best. He gets lost between the Arnold era and the mass monster era.

[@thebodybeatdownDiTi]

@Dane33602 agree 👍

[@MikeG82]

@@Dane33602 how was it at its best? the competition was very weak

[@Dane33602]

@ everyone has an opinion. My opinion is that the best combination of size, conditioning and symmetry came from the guys in the 80s. Any of the top ten guys from Lee’s era are better than the top ten guys from Ronnie’s era. Flex Wheeler was amazing. I’ll give you Flex.

[@ImYourHuckleberry_29]

​@MikeG82 Hmm. Debatable. I'm not gonna lie that the 90's lineups were perhaps the toughest of all time. In Haney's case, he was just SO much better than everyone, it made them look weak. Haney was just too damn good.

[@vadersgoldfish]

Let’s continue the Haney comparisons: Haney vs Schwarzenegger 👍🏻

[@gsus3054]

I think there is a video already of that comparison

[@RossLStudies]

"1983, baby plea" 😂😂 these ad libs don't go unnoticed

[@bilbob7624]

Haney Reigns Supreme.

[@ma-t6949]

I was born I. 90 and being young it was always Coleman for me but as I matured and started getting into the history of bb it’s Haney for me. Dude was perfect

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Haney in 1991 wins every pose and his thighs were great.

[@gigithebird2151]

Ahahahaha

[@josephohrablo4866]

1991 Haney would get annihilated by 98 or 99 Coleman so badly people wouldn’t be able to watch . Really even his worst version . The glutes and hams alone

[@timjones7336]

@@josephohrablo4866Haney would not appear proportionate vs. Ronnie: too top heavy/legs not developed enough. Lee in the 1998 Olympia wouldn’t make the top 6 due to this

[@josephohrablo4866]

@ absolutely , it’s no comparison

[@uoiuo]

EVERY pose ? Are you high or just a fanboy , Ronnie in the back makes Haney look like a child and he takes most of the front poses aswell .

[@Dane33602]

Personally, I feel modern bodybuilders have over developed their legs. Lee’s legs were perfectly in proportion to his upper body, and he looked like he could still sprint or run a few miles. He was probably the last Mr. Olympia you can say that about.

[@gameurai5701]

I agree, I stopped training legs cause my quads were too big compared to my hamstrings, glutes calves. Don't care about big things anymore. Calves/hamstring dominant legs dominate glute/quad dominant physiques and it's not even close, unless you have super higher vastus lateralist genetics like Shawn Rhoden/Keone Pearson. I love high vastus lateralis insertions lol, which I unfrotunately don't have.

[@mikthe2004]

Overblown legs and bloated guts became the trend after Lee Haney!!

[@_luckyFisher]

If you really care about athleticism please watch another sport. It's literally called open bodybuilding. It's all about being the biggest you can be with every single body part. Not about looking like you can run or sprint bruh

[@sully9937]

I recently saw a comparison between Danny Padilla and Hadi Choopan which really emphasised this. Modern physiques are quad dominant to an absurd extent.

[@Dane33602]

@@_luckyFisher In Lee's era and in all eras before him, it was never about getting every bodypart as big as possible. And there was no such thing as "open" bodybuilding. It was just "bodybuilding". I prefer the more streamline physique that looks like it's capable of something more than waddling around a gym pushing weight. Just preferences, bruh. To each their own.

[@gameurai5701]

Lee haney with 90s drugs would be going head to head to with The King. His genetics are some of the best ever.

[@ImYourHuckleberry_29]

This is what people don't get

[@Jesse-df9fz]

Same drugs lmfao what are you talking about? Only difference that some guys were getting into was gh and seo, and neither of those would have improved a physique like Lee's. You guys have no idea what you're talking about every time you talk about drugs you just regurgitate what you've heard other people say and act like ots your own knowledge pipe down

[@Nagy.Patrik]

@@Jesse-df9fz if Lee was chased by Dorian or Ronnie in the 90's, he would push the size further. Especially the legs. So this is not the biggeste he could get, thats the biggest he HAD to get to win the title. GH would have helped him achieve an even bigger physique.

[@EVARANGIHUNA]

I'd rather have Haney's physique any day. Lol at Ronnie claiming natty.

[@jscmain]

that jay cutler impersonation goes hard

[@bio-plasmictoad5311]

Ronnie looks like he comes from another planet, taking them astro -roids. However Lee in the front double biceps epitemises what a bodybuilder is.

[@atifshah6625]

😅 I'm cringing so hard! Cringe fest! Taking them Asta roids? Bro do you think taking gear makes you cool? (I have taken it I don't think so haha)

[@ImYourHuckleberry_29]

​@@atifshah6625what are u on about? He made a funny.

[@bio-plasmictoad5311]

@atifshah6625 Good, my mission is complete.

[@robk5745]

The two best bodybuilders of all time, great comparison!

[@zackosborn1731]

1:18 I'll take the bait, he's not natty there and will die on the lie since he was a police officer.

[@thebodybeatdownDiTi]

I don't just assume someone is on gear just because they are strong or have a decent physique but humans are not able to get that muscular and conditioned as well naturally. Ronnie was not natural the moment he started playing sports much less bodybuilding.

[@taklampan650]

That FLS on Haney was insane

[@trentenmerrill5239]

1:52 I think saying, "the guy on the right is natural and the guy on the left is an Olympian winner juiced to the gills..." just goes to show that Ronnie... like many other athletes embellishes their natural status to give themselves more accolades... "I got this far as a natural..." despite the fact that it was already after they started juicing... then people are like "wow that's amazing..." Then his glizzy gets glazed. Come on bodybuilding is an ego sport. Lying about when you started juicing gets your glizzy glazed and your ego gets stroked by everyone you tell that story to.

[@mikthe2004]

Yeah, I don't believe Ronnie was natural at that point either!!

[@johnnycampbell7691]

It's obvious that he was not natural there.

[@gavinvanhouten2063]

Ronnie by modern bodybuilding standards for sure> Lee in terms of aesthetics tho> 2 of the absolutely greatest bodybuilders we will ever see. An honor for each to be compared to the other.

[@josephohrablo4866]

1998 and 99 Coleman easily hang with Haney in aesthetics

[@austin-dl1wp]

@@josephohrablo4866 i agree. if ronnie just had a slightly tighter midesction ronnie would be insanely aesthetic for all that size. crazy striations everywhere and really good muscle clarity

[@josephohrablo4866]

@@austin-dl1wp his midsection was crazy tight in 98 and 99 . The later years it became a problem . But even with the midsection blown out some poses were so insane it didn’t matter .

[@td1253]

Haney's symmetry and aesthetic is incredible and a strong bridge from the golden era to the mass monster era

[@willr3711]

Thank you for doing this one , everybody talks about Ronnie let's not forget about Lee Haney 8 # Mr O also 🎉

[@ZiTfiT]

Lee's beautiful and aesthetic physique will always beat Coleman's huge muscles and blown out midsection, you look at Lee and you just wow at a marvellous pretty sight, if he kept on competing he would be winning. For me Lee is the king and the real bodybuilding goat. Those of you that like big things and freaks should go watch lions, elephants and big animals, humans should look like one.

[@florentmartinez3289]

I also like my humans with small waist and big chest but it's not as easy to find as you say

[@austin-dl1wp]

they are similar in some aspects. they both had pretty lackluster side triceps i noticed they kinda look similar in that pose. both guys absolutely swept the floor with their competitors in the back poses

[@ImYourHuckleberry_29]

Yes. Haneys tri's were feathered though so he gets the point over Ronnie

[@DavidStacey-tx7on]

How in hell can anyone compare these two and even think for 1 sec that Ron is better. He clearly is a massive unit but either had nasty gyno (1998-99) or a bloated guts

[@JanRiffler]

Haney has even better structure then Coleman.

[@FrankId]

Great comparison, 👏

[@usmantariq6494]

91' Lee vs 98'Ronnie that's a fare fight

[@troy8613]

Haney looks majestic! A timeless physique that will stand the test of time. And the same can be said for 1998 Ronnie minus the breast tissue.

[@reginaldreynolds3066]

These two men had some of the best genetics

[@214-v4g]

If Haney was ever on those 93 Yates drugs his reign over the sport would have been unquestioned.

[@JesusGarcia-Digem]

Mike Mentzer vs. Arnold schwarzenegger! 💪😀💡

[@treelonmusk7906]

I can just imagine WW3 starting with the fanboys if that were to be a video

[@toddinhali]

Lee's 'torso heap' was second to none, even against Ronnie's 1999 version beginning at the 5:00 mark. Lee's arms also looked really good in 1991, at the 6:30 mark. He's not beating Coleman in the guns of course, but they do look great.

[@tysjt]

Remember guys, Ronnie had many Olympia appearances before going to the dark side. I've only seen evidence of him not using, so this is pretty undeniable.

[@Jesse-df9fz]

No, he didnt lmfao stop perpetuating that bullshit lie that he was natural during his pro career, he wasn't. Anyone that actually understands the sport and biology and doesnt hae incentive to lie will tell you he wasnt natural. And theres no evidence that he was natural whatsoever just his word, and hes lied about quite a bit of things over the years

[@jbeechuk]

One is able to walk currently, the other is crippled.

[@wildmanz8233]

I respect Ronnie...but I'd give my eye teeth to look like Haney. I saw him win his first Olympia in NYC in 84 and still remember how impressive he looked! Ps. Gotta love the Young Guns imitation....classic

[@ВасилийБелкин-ь1ь]

Lee Haney vs CBum without any if this could be a completely fair comparison

[@awakeningtovacuity8372]

Lee Haney is the GOAT. Ronnie was all mass. Lee was the best combination of mass and aesthetics. Haney is the original mass with class. No shade on the king, head definitely one of the GOATS.

[@johnnycampbell7691]

Ronnie is unbeatable but everyone would rather look like almost any other bodybuilder.

[@kryptonianstrength8461]

Lee Haney vs young Phil Heath circa 2008/2009

[@Ander-w6q]

Day 11 of asking for the battle of the slovaks: Michal krizo križánek vs pavol Jablonický Pavol Jablonický was born in Slovakia an lived there some time. Like samson dauda is Nigerian, not brithish

[@at3955]

lol

[@jasont7814]

Lee’s physique flows so much better. Big shoulders and back, tight waist.

[@Nagy.Patrik]

If Ronnie was looking like that on gear in his early carreer, he would never be that big in a few years. He was natural for sure, there is no way you gain 100lbs muscle when you already on gear.

[@zorl3858]

MMM can you do Ron Williams vs Lee priest while natural?

[@robitaillecopeland1996]

hard to compare eras because they posed so differently and had different goals in mind. For instance, in back lat spread, they all tried to display it like wings back then. But in 90s they began rolling shoulders back to show more separation. Old eras had that same definition they just didn't display it. Haney 100% had as good if not better, back, than Ronnie. He had lower lat insertions and a wider back. Back then they also didn't sit down during their poses to accentuate their legs because they didn't want out of proportion legs like later on. Most people would prefer to look like Arnold and Haney rather than Ronnie and that is how bodybuilding contests should be judged. The mass monster era was awful for the sport

[@jaycobheufel782]

Can you put lee haney on stage 91 vs 2002 olympia competition.. I think he might win that.

[@rainiersanantonio2433]

Shredded to the dice💪🏻

[@nealkelly9757]

Lol you can't actually believe that Ronnie was natural in the early 90s

[@MichaelHernandez-mv7on]

Lee's right side triceps is thicker and better inserted than his left triceps. I have seen Ronnie flex his right arm triceps one time and he's the same way his right arm triceps insertion has less muscle there. When Ronnie use to hit the FDB you see his right arm has more sweep and is bigger, but the lateral head on his left arm inserted better it is why I think he always hit the side triceps with his left arm. I don't think you necessarily have a better triceps because of your dominant side but more to do with the insertion.

[@groundcontrol6876]

Both aahm Louie? Felt like you were about to say it so many times in the video. So many boths, but no ahhms, Louie.

[@wilwelaltijd]

I think I can believe Ronny when he saids the he was natural, cause he’s always been very open about his steroid use

[@blase1856]

Do Phil Heath vs Arnold next

[@larrywerdeniuk-dm7cj]

Ronny's left lat was always not right,

[@haroldwood1394]

Definitely Haney for me.

[@dmc7324]

Haney just has the better looking physique.

[@ottohernandez8818]

Bigger doesn't always mean better.....

[@yeti1002]

Lee Haney by a few hairs for sure ..... The 2% body fat i would give it to Bruce Lee for sure . Ronnie , towards the end of his career he had the back problems and age factoring in. Not as sharp , but still incredible ! 😅

[@ZiTfiT]

So sad bodybuilding went from aesthetics to blocky looks, who made this standards of bigger being better?

[@davidlynn4856]

Its like comparing Michael Jordan with LeBron James. LeBron may be the best of whats out there now, but he didn't have the athleticism and moves of Jordan. Haney was the greatest of all time. They call Ronny the King, but Haney was the true King

[@Lebrongoatmjshowboat]

Low lat attachments are over rated. There’s a limit for it and passed that, back starts looking blocky and ugly. Just compare guys like Franco or Kai to Ronnie. Whose back looks more aesthetic?

[@pauliotov2512]

Diced to the shredded

[@JohnEastmanExAttyAtLaw]

Lee is the best ever. His calves and biceps were the same size. His ankles and wrists were the same size. He looks to be a very healthy man for his age today. I stopped following bodybuilding and hated the sport when Dorian and Ronnie started to win.

[@C.STRIKER-yo7zg]

I have to agree with you. Lee was the very definition of what an Olympia champion should look like.

[@mikthe2004]

Yep, agree!! Lee's front double is very underrated, and the nonsense about his "small arms" needs to stop. His arms aren't like Arnold or Robby, but they are still pretty good!!

[@irongladiatorjoe886]

You know who was more close to natural because of who kept hair longer granted ronnie had to face Jay cutler

[@michaelcarr2619]

So this guy gives it to Lee Haney because of the midsection? Every other body part Ronnie wins but sure…give it to Lee. Whatever

[@BrickQuake]

Ronnie if you’re reading this I love you

[@_egghead]

can natural Ronnie beat peak CBum?

[@seankinsellasean]

Lee looks better but ronnie is "better"

[@nickbritten8132]

Last Olympias is no contest. Lee blows Ronnie away. Natty Ronnie’s calves are tooth picks lol 😂 so out of proportion to those Haney destroying arms.

[@ethangilworth7891]

Shredded to the diced is your best Marx-ism!

[@argocomics6207]

I thought this “the same guys would be on top without drugs” false spin died with the magazines. Of course the top real naturals are unknown (probably even within natural bodybuilding due to the drug test beaters). Were there no drugs and hormone usage, the top names of the sport would be quite different.

[@crazedmma0]

Lee looks better overall with that petite waist compared to ronnie, turn to the back however.... and its not even close

[@josephohrablo4866]

Not 98 and 99 . Coleman has almost as small waist

[@mikthe2004]

You sure about that?? 13:50 - look again, and you'll see Haney's back is even thicker than Ronnie's??

[@josephohrablo4866]

@ Haney was under Perfect lighting and was closer to camera. Let’s face reality . 98 and 99 Coleman isn’t losing one pose if this was in person . The conditioning difference is massive and the lower body difference is astronomical . it’s not close lol

[@mikthe2004]

@@josephohrablo4866 OK probably not. In a contest Ronnie wins, but Haney still looks better. Ronnie's waist and big ass ruins a lot of poses!! Haney also has calves!!

[@josephohrablo4866]

@ again no . Not in 98 and 99. Coleman also had much better more developed calves . Not sure what you were looking at ? And the hamstring difference is astronomical . Makes Haneys look untrained . That first front double Haney looked unbelievable . But 98 Coleman matches him in x frame and v taper but annihilates him in conditioning

[@strager2020]

Only in these kinda brainless video comparison Haney can beat Ronnie,but in reality Ronnie had won those 8 trophies by facing Nasser,Flex Wheeler,Kevin Levrone,Shawn Ray,Lee Priest,Markus Ruhl,Gunter,Jay Cutler & Dexter Jackson but on the other hand Haney faced not a single guy who is worth winning Mr.Olympia & has announced his retirement when Dorian just stepped in,if not the game would have been terrible for him,this is the fact.

[@tootoomcgoo9674]

Was he natural? No, no he was not.

[@JimSib1]

Both Haney and Coleman have that split in their abs I noticed that the split ab phenomenon affects mostly Black bodybuilders Keone included. lol.

[@samueltaylor9935]

look at the mens physique mr.olympia Ryan Terry. He has a split as well.

[@MichaelHernandez-mv7on]

Yeah but Terry's is much more closed in.

[@MichaelHernandez-mv7on]

Yeah but Terry's is much more closed in.

[@JanRiffler]

Dallas McCarver.

[@MikeG82]

most of the best all time had flawed abs

[@thebunz7]

There's a reason ronnie beats everyone. If you don't get it, you don't get bodybuilding. He was huge and pealed with the freak factor...and he had the x factor even though missing an aesthetic value completely. No one yet would beat a peak ronnie coleman.

[@Dane33602]

@@thebunz7 for what bodybuilding has become, you are probably right. But for most of bodybuilding’s history, aesthetics mattered as much if not more than pure size.

[@mikthe2004]

@@Dane33602 Yeah. I think Haney is the GOAT - not Ronnie. Ronnie's got grew like crazy after 2003!! Lee retired undefeated, and would have beaten Dorian in '92!! Nobody beats Dorian of '93, but after he tore his biceps Lee could have possibly beaten him again?? Assuming Lee kept growing of course?