Mary Tudor in 'Carlos, Rey Emperador' - Death of Katherine of Aragon

[@Tina06019]

This series shows Henry as less cruel than he really was - he separated Katherine and Mary. Elizabeth I was likely the greatest monarch England ever had, despite her many faults. But the cruelty that Henry VIII visited on Katherine and Mary twisted Mary’s character and she visited her anger upon Elizabeth, as she could not upon her father and his second wife.

[@Lily1127channel]

You are completely right. Many people explain Mary's character and behaviour that it was because of this father's cruel treatment, but then again, it could have also been true to Elizabeth, because her childhood was even far worse than Mary's. Mary's was very bad "only" when Anne Boleyn was queen and some time before that, so a few years, but in Elizabeth's case it was much worse. And yet that hard childhood didn't twist Elizabeth, it strengthened her.

[@SG-pu3rx]

Lili1127 Elizabeth had things way easier than Marry.

[@kerol5905]

But Elizabeth didn't have to go through a long (and I might add, horrible) divorce between her parents. And her mother was beheaded when she was still very young to have a strong bond with her mother or even to remember it.

[@Lily1127channel]

Elizabeth was treated throughout her childhood and youth as the beheaded whore's child, while Mary was shown every respect after Jane Seymour brought her back. Besides, our most personality-forming years are the first 10 years, and Mary lived a good princess life in that age while Elizabeth had most of her traumas and mistreatments under 10. Traumas after 10 are also forming, of course, but with a much less heavy effect. I wouldn't say that your father killing your mother when you are 3 is less a trauma than a long divorce in your youth. Not at all. Btw, a child does have a strong bond with their mother at age 3, and yes, we do have memories before 3.

[@cg8397]

@@Lily1127channel Elizabeth was never regarded as Crown Princess like Mary was during her childhood and teens until her parents' divorce (Catherine was expecting Mary to succeed Henry and become England's version of Isabel). The divorce also meant that Henry refused to allow Mary to marry and have a family of her own while she was still young (e.g. Manuel I of Portugal approached Henry about having Mary marry his younger son Luis even after her parents' divorce, but nothing came of it) because he didn't want her husband's offspring presenting a challenge to the English throne. Henry also beheaded the Countess of Salisbury, Mary's governess and godmother. Her brother Edward also continuously demanded that she abandon Catholicism. When Mary did marry, it was too late (late 30s) to a man who wasn't that interested in her (Felipe was a widower who already had a son). That would depress anyone. As for Elizabeth, she may have been twisted also by Henry VIII - she never married at all and so she never risked ill-treatment by a husband, even if it meant the end of her father's lineage and the takeover of the English throne by the Scottish King (something that would have really pissed off Henry).

[@Magdalenkaization]

Anne Boleyn was pregnant then with a male foetus, but she miscarried it exactly at the day of Katherine's funeral. Mary soon got the new stepmother who was kind to her.

[@Angel-nu7fm]

Yes, she miscarried and Henry had his severe life changing accident the day Katherine was buried...no coincidence there.

[@themage1114]

That's what they get for messing with Isabel's daughter

[@Meow_Zedong_1949]

Henry VIII was a disgrace to the throne of St Edward.

[@tomagirl14]

Historically this is incorrect. Mary was serving as a lady in waiting to her half-sister's, Elizabeth's house when her mother died. Henry VIII insisted mother and daughter were separated and didn't even read Catherine's last letter to him. Catherine was surrounded by her priest, two servants allowed to attend her, and her long time friend, Maria who came over with her when Katherine was to marry Prince Arthur. Karma bite Henry in the back, on the day of Katherine's funeral, Anne Boleyn miscarried of a male fetus. Poor Katherine all she did was love a king and it was no fault of hers none of her sons survived. She didn't deserve to be abandoned to die in a dreary castle separate from her only living child. Catherine was the daughter of Kings, aunt to the Holy Roman Emperor, great-granddaughter to John of Gaunt. Breed royally from the womb, Katherine was taught to tolerate her husband's infidelities. How was she to know Henry would do something so radical. Still a powerful scene and beautifully done. I wish Mary did get to see her mother one more time before she died. The scars inflicted by her father and Anne Boleyn made Mary into the woman history knew as Bloody Mary. If Anne Boleyn had treated her better maybe Mary would have been a different person. Maybe Mary would not have been so cold towards Elizabeth when Mary become if it wasn't for how Anne Boleyn treated Mary.

[@lilovs9952]

Arom Mercer I don't think that Anne Boleyn's treatment towards Mary could have changed anything. AB was murdered in 3 or 4 years of reign,it was not time enough to do anything.

[@TigrJula]

In facrc, Anna Boleyn didn't treated Mary badly, she tried to reconcile with her a few times, but Mary didn't want to, understandably. Plus Mary could come back to the court until she recognized to Henry that she was a bastard and Catherine was no queen - she did it during Jane Seymour time as she was advised by those close to her who was afraid for her life, that Henry would order to do smth with a rebellious daughter. It has nothing to do with a treatment from later Queens ans everything with the cruelty of her father.

[@themage1114]

Mary and Elizabeth were actually close. Jane Seymour's child Edward disliked Mary but he had a strong relationship with Elizabeth.

[@dreamsteddybearsmaster]

I think besides Anne Mary got along with most of her stepmothers especially Katherine Parr and Jane Seymour.

[@benedictkiswanto4692]

I know that history says that Mary was not present when Catherine of Aragorn passed away. But since it is known that they did correspond secretly, perhaps Mary was able to visit her mother moments or days before Catherine passed away. I mean, perhaps the story just did not make it's way into the official history books/records.

[@benedictkiswanto4692]

I know that history says that Mary was not present when Catherine of Aragorn passed away. But since it is known that they did correspond secretly, perhaps Mary was able to visit her mother moments or days before Catherine passed away. I mean, perhaps the story just did not make it's way into the official history books/records.

[@h.gyounis1175]

I have been looking for this series for a long time. it is really good. they are great actors. now I can enjoy it because it is in english . you gave us a great opportunity when you posted these videos . please keep up and post more videos

[@Lily1127channel]

I'm glad you like it:) I think it's one of the best historical TV series ever made (and surely one of the most accurate, that's quite important for me), so everyone who likes these kind of shows should have the opportunity to see it, that's why I started to translate scenes. There are also full episode English subtitles here: www.opensubtitles.org/en/ssearch/sublanguageid-eng/idmovie-368783 I will keep posting the best scenes of the episodes, ep1-3 scenes are already uploaded, so are the scenes with Mary Tudor (from ep16-17). I will continue with episode 4. Reading comments like yours surely convinces me to continue the translations :)

[@h.gyounis1175]

Thank you

[@rosierennie5867]

"I want to go with you" 😭😭😭

[@AnneBoleynTudor]

The depiction of the relationship between Mary and her husband is also inaccurate. He was coolly polite to her but they slept together rarely and he with reluctance. She was hot for him, he not for her. And she was much much older than him.

[@Lily1127channel]

That is exactly how their relationship is depicted in this series. She is totally into him, but for him the marriage is totally political only.

[@AnneBoleynTudor]

But he shows more warmth and affection for her in the series than he did in real life. I felt so bad for Mary that she never experienced true love and having children. Thats her fathers fault for making her unmarriageable as a bastard when she was young and attractive.

[@Lily1127channel]

I always had the feeling when he showed a bit affection that it is to achieve his political goals with her. For example when he needed England's help in a war and such things.

[@AnneBoleynTudor]

Yes, the rest of the time he avoided his conjugal duties as much as possible.

[@N.A.S101]

Mary wasn't actually allowed to live with Catherine

[@mariannetonnesen8017]

both women were seperated from each other long time before Catherine died.

[@Tekirai]

This is incorrect mary wasn't with her mother when she died she even forbidden to go to her funeral. She was serving as lady in waiting to her sister and was very mistreated. Like Anne gave orders for her to be beaten if she disobeyed and order. England wasn't kind to Katherine of aragon and then Mary. Plus henry was a giant douche and Phillip liked younger and pretty women, but coolly respected his wife. though wasn't by her death bed when she passed and barely mourned for her as he was trying to pursue her sister Elizabeth.

[@rosierennie5867]

I think we all know this is incorrect. But I think the writers of this show just wanted to give Mary and Katherine the goodbye they really deserved

[@benedictkiswanto4692]

I know that history says Mary was not present when Catherine of Aragorn passed away. But since it is known that they did correspond secretly, perhaps Mary was able to visit her mother moments or days before Catherine passed away. I mean, perhaps the story just did not make it's way into the official history books/records.

[@agt9211]

En realidad María Tudor mo estuvo al lado de su madre en el momento de su muerte. Catalina de Aragon falleció sin poder despedirse de su hija. Enrique Viii las mantuvo separadas dsps del divorcio

[@annamerritt3544]

This was so sad Mary was asking her mother to not leave her. Poor Mary had a terrible stepmother named Anne Boleyn. This is like a Cinderella story were Mary is Cinderella and Anne Boleyn is the wicked stepmother! Who's with me?

[@Lily1127channel]

I don't think we could really call Anne Boleyn Mary's stepmother. They never lived together, and Anne was Henry's wife for less then 3 years...

[@annamerritt3544]

Lili1127 Well didn't Anne Boleyn call Mary a bastard and her own child illigitamate? And didn't Anne Boleyn commit adultury with the king when he was married to Catherine? And didn't Catherine die because of Anne Boleyn? And didn't Anne Boleyn make Mary work for Elizabeth?

[@annemergler399]

Anna Merritt Anne Boleyn was just a woman in a man world. She was just a vitcum of Herny like Katherine was. Herny is the one who should be blamed, he decide to divorce Katherine not Anne, he called Mary a Bastard and Katherine not his wive, he was the one who made Mary a Bastard. Anne wasnt a saint, I know, but still Herny did all these things. Anne wasnt really cruel, she just wanted respect from Mary and she didnt get them. Remember she tried to speak with Mary, but Mary called her "The misstress of my father".

[@annamerritt3544]

Max Mergler If Anne Boleyn was so "innocent" than why did she try to force Mary to respect her because Anne Boleyn was a Mistress of Henry and not his lawful wife in God's eyes. She did call Mary a bastard. And if Anne didn't commit adultury with the king while he was married to Katherine wouldn't that make Henry a rapist?

[@annemergler399]

Anna Merritt And it was Annes fault, that Herny chose her over Katherine. Anne didnt committed adlutery with King, while Katherine was still his wife, she waited 7 years for the King. As you say Anne did deserved death?? No, she was inncoent of the crimes which she was found gulity for. You think Annes downfall was her karma or a exmaple for justice?? You know to 100% that Anne was gulity of Katherines death?? No, you dont know btw. none will know the real Anne Boleyn. Anne was infact a pawn in a man game, she was used by her own father und uncle. Her sister Mary was known as the great whore by every one in court, Mary was left alone while she cared the Kings child in her belly. Dont you think all these things had an impact on Anne. Yes, Anne would never be a misstress of King and her children Bastard and she probably a whore. Anne might not be saint which i never said, but she was smart, very brave and charmig. She spoke perctly french and other leagugies. She could dance and wirte well, she was a woman beyond her time like Katherine. I never hated Katherine or Mary, they both had s tragic fate, but still Herny was the one who gave the orders and not Anne. He is the evil and not Anne.

[@MrAmcody]

Ato falho da série , esta carta jamais foi queimada pois se encontra no arquivo histórico da Inglaterra.