Maschine Plus Longterm Review 2021

This is my longterm review of the Maschine Plus, a device I had very high hopes for. Sadly, I don’t know if I can recommend it, here’s why. Thank you to my Patrons: Tempest Anderson, ipodmypants. Join them in supporting my channel here: / dylanparismusic
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[@nj9528]

After trying nearly every other 'do everything' option on the market, and having avoided Maschine for my entire life, I took the plunge despite the air of negative opinion around the +, and a month in I could not be happier. Ripcord and a battery, standalone problem solved. Replacing the bundled MicroSD+cheap adapter combo that comes with the device to a proper highspeed full sized SD card solved all my stability issues I saw in the first few days, speed is also improved. Latest update last week has significantly improved CPU usage, not that it was really a problem for me to begin with - Sample your plugins! Nothing has ever got me this creative and productive in years. I work in tech as well, so after 10+ hours a day at a computer, the last thing I want is more time even in the same room as a computer. The pricetag is worth that freedom alone, and being forced to do absolutely everything on the device itself, without the temptation of looking over to a computer screen, is exactly what I needed. I understand people have vastly different expectations, but having started this groovebox journey back on Korg Electribes etc, I can't help but feel those expectations as a whole have become too high. The almost miracles you can do on any modern equipment with such minor limitations is astonishing. I'm not one to beat the dead horse of 'limitations breed creativity', but option paralysis is a real thing for many people. I'd strongly recommend Maschine+ to anyone who reads this that connects with any of the sentiment.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Appreciate your feedback, I will say the way it performs these days vs when I bought it last summer is pretty different. It has improved for sure. A new SD card didn't solve every issue for me but it is smoother.

[@tenementmusic4320]

Truly appreciate this honest review, you pointed out things I was overlooking with this unit. Subscribed.

[@yashkummar]

Thank you Dylan. Very informative. Saved my skin.

[@lajungesombre]

Your first points are so so so so SO insightful. Thanks a million!

[@BIGPUN4EVER]

Awesome review, Thanks for your honesty!

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thanks for watching!

[@skirwan78]

excellent review and something I wish more people would talk about. I love reviews after a year or so where people can be honest about how much and how they actually used a device, subbed and look forward to checking out more videos of yours. I'm a new producer and figuring out my workflow as a long time guitarist and drummer moving over to more electronic synth based stuff

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thanks for the kind words and supporting the channel! I hope your synth journey goes well!

[@playpm]

Loving your honesty.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you!

[@lukestevens4374]

good honest review man. golddust

[@DanDuffy_]

Thanks for this review, super insightful. I’ve had a mk2 for like 8 years now and it’s time to upgrade. Was looking at both options but your video pretty much solves it... MK3 w/ MacBook Pro is ironically MORE standalone because you actually have a battery.

[@raven-jz6cv]

Standalone in my world means computerless... but i get you. + is shit. Mk3 is ok. If ya.want to dj standalone try octatrack

[@davidfouse1820]

Thanks for the honesty. I've read so many other reviews that were so glowing and they completely gloss over how underpowered the unit is.

[@gomchenlama]

Thanks for this si honest review. I’m a Mpc live 2 owner and it is a great machine with a very a great autonomy. I wanted to have an opinion about maschine + to compare and knowing if it would be interesting to buy. Thanks to you I’ve saved my money 😌

[@vvuuppee]

The best and most honest review of the Maschine Plus on youtube.

[@DylanParisMusic]

🙏🙌

[@K24U76]

Very informative. I really enjoyed your technical experience with the macnhine+

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you!

[@K24U76]

I actually just bought maschine micro since portability with my laptop is all ready there. Honestly since watching this video I realized that my MacBook Pro is far better than any stand alone maschine and since you are still having to look at screen for both the MK3 and micro you still get most of the same functionality but slightly different buttons workflow. I mean $219 micro vs mk3 $599 and $1199 for the + it’s almost a no brainer.. with the cost difference Of micro vs mk3 I purchased a 27 inch monitor . I am good to go .

[@MusicianParadise]

Great honest review!

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you!

[@TheProducer77051]

You articulated my feelings about this unit perfectly. I sincerely hope that NI can get this thing worked out because they're gonna have a lot of P.O.d customers if they have to wait and accept a revised version (Maschine+ MK 2) after paying 1399 for this one. When Akai initially released the Force at 1499 there were a lot of disappointed customers with the limited feature set for the price. So what did Akai do? they cut the price by 499 and began to fix it with firmware updates and it is a beast of a unit now. NI should follow this example.

[@Lurkartiist]

then they moved the price back up lmaoo . they bumped up the MPC one too... so strange

[@raven-jz6cv]

Man ni has evade that project long time ago all except the price. Meanwhile force akai has become leaps ahead:p

[@brunodiben]

Thanks to give us a long term opinion, I think they are not at a level of runing tons of heavy vst, but is powerfull enough to use those plugins as nice instruments and resample them, so you keep using an old worflow mostly sample based. A mpc x user here, looking at the maschine plus future iterations, they have a lot of room for improvement

[@djcarlo]

dang, sorry to hear this. Thanks for sharing your opinion

[@lindasson]

First and foremost I really appreciate your honesty and opinions on this video, because you have people who are either endorsed by Native Instruments or Akai or either so in love with their gear that they can't see past it to appreciate other pieces of gear. For myself I did the opposite and went from the Live 2 to Maschine Plus, and haven't absolutely zero regrets. The battery and touchscreen and speakers aren't a deal breaker for me, and I'm not the guy sitting in the park or on the beach, and when I had my Live 2 it was at my desk plugged in like my Maschine. When The One and X came out people did work arounds and had hacks they used to make it "Standalone" as far as adapters or chargers, like some are doing with the Plus. You made an excellent point about a used MacBook Pro and MK3 and you're absolutely correct, and that's the advice I gave to one of my subscribers this week, but I'm Dawless so the Plus was the choice I made. Love video, and the music bro. God bless!!🙏🏾✊🏾💚

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you for the kind and insightful words! I'm stoked the plus is working for you!

[@lindasson]

@@DylanParisMusic Most definitely bro, and likewise to you with the Live because it comes down to being happy and comfortable with the tools that you use!!🙏🏾✊🏾💚

[@lrkx_]

Gutted it didn’t work out for you, as it sounds like you really liked the workflow. I’ve had mine since March or so, use it regularly, but not as a true production machine, in that I’m not producing albums on it, so my use case may not require as many resources as a project would for you. Having said that, I’ve not experienced any of the instability that others reported. Initially it crashed a couple of times, but the first update and a better SD card seemed to have fixed the problem. I do sometimes wish I could use other plugins, but the limitations work in my favour, I guess. Finding alternative ways to do some things have helped my creativity, and not having option paralysis gets me doing stuff. Hope the MPC gives you what you need! Keep making music and content. :)

[@DylanParisMusic]

I'm glad it's working for you :) I think more plugins will come along too

[@Punkyn_pie_beats83]

I agree. Got mine in january, crashed maybe twice....but i keep it updated and still use the original SD card. No problems since March. Like you said, Limitations work in my favor...💃

[@BeauTylerMakesMusic]

I can’t agree more with all you said brother.

[@holyrockstar]

Can u use Kontakt on the Maschine? Is there enough ram to use big libraries?

[@DylanParisMusic]

The ram is only 4 gigs and I think it can play some Kontakt instruments but I'm not sure it's equipped to handle big libraries.

[@infriad]

I bought the Maschine mk3 a couple of days ago and I’m completely amazed by it. I was considering the plus but now, especially after watching this video I’m glad I went with the mk3 😊 Can’t stop using it. I’m currently running it on my work-laptop, Lenovo P14s. Powerhouse for sure. So I was kind of surprised when I got some cpu-spikes and crackling sound on specific instruments. I’m thinking of buying a M1 MacBook pro to use with the mk3 and it looks like this is more than enough to handle big projects with lots of effects? Maybe even the M1 MacBook Air as you mention? I’m absolutely allergic to pops and crackles when I make music, so it has to be pretty solid in that part. I’ve been away from musicmaking on computers for so long so I don’t really know if I should go with pc or mac. What do you recommend? 😊

[@DylanParisMusic]

M1 macs are legit as hell for music production, but definitely wait til after the apple event on the 18th

[@infriad]

@@DylanParisMusic Yeah, I'll have a look at this today :) One thing that worries me is that Maschine 2 and all the native instruments software only runs via Rosetta 2 on M1 macs. It's almost a year since release of M1 and NI still does not support it fully. And also there has been a lot of reports that NIs hardware has a lot of issues with Big Sur. Not sure if that is fixed.

[@myreviewdotcom]

Thanks for the video!

[@Seriouspup]

How would describe the performance of the plus if I where to bounce EVERYTHING to audio and litterally just make the thing play back my songs with samples. No plugins at all. I’m trying to get a new live setup together bc my computer keeps crashing

[@DylanParisMusic]

I would not recommend the plus for that as it only has 4 gigs of ram and still randomly crashes and crackles in my experience. You likely want an Octatrack or an Akai Force for that task as they both have disk streaming

[@Dilettanteworks]

I think the biggest mistake they made was in the price point. If it had been $300-$500 cheaper, and then lead to a more modest price cut for the Mk3, I think it would be fine for what it is. I personally haven't hit many performance issues, aside from using Kontakt ensembles, which I run into whether I'm using Kontakt on a Desktop PC, Laptop PC, or M+. I also have never really used all 8 groups, or all 16 pads of any group, for a track, even on my PC. I tend to split things up as Drums, Bass, Chords, Lead, (non-percussive) Samples, with only the drum and Samples groups having more than 8 sound slots taken up. I've been able to leave the M+ running for a couple hours without any issues, as well, though I have had the occasional reboot here and there sometimes when starting the unit or loading a project. However, the projects that tend to give me trouble, as previously stated, all utilize at least one kontakt ensemble. Kontakt tends to give me trouble, regardless of the platform I host it on. For example: Drumlab hasn't worked for me since I got a Maschine Mikro in 2016. I'm sorry this didn't work out for you, and I hope NI take all of this feedback seriously enough to do this piece of gear justice. I've been in love with the workflow since I've had my mikro and want NI to make better business decisions instead of shoving sounds.com stuff down our throats and up their bums.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Appreciate your thoughtful response and insight! I mostly agree except I think it still needs to be more stable to recommend even at a cheaper price point.

[@MidlifeSynthesist]

Great insights bro! Thanks for your perspective! Ps: I went with the MPC LIVE 2 and can’t recommend it enough! Peace!

[@DylanParisMusic]

The legend! Thanks for stopping by, I love your channel 🙏😎❤️

[@kamilqazi5241]

I appreciate your outlook as a fellow tech worker currently overcoming a minor G.A.S affliction. After seeing this I’m definitely not getting maschine plus even though I’m very familiar with maschine mk3 which has also been my favorite music production tool to date. It would be awesome if you made a video explaining your transition to learning mpc coming from maschine. Also if I were you I’d sell that maschine plus ASAP, native instruments is known for cash grabs, their company is going through a bunch of turmoil, and I’d personally be more upset watching the price go down as the device gets older knowing that it’s just been collecting dust - just my 2 cents though! Appreciate you!

[@DylanParisMusic]

Appreciate your insightful comment! Thanks for watching!

[@DJHurleyOnTheBeat]

I completely agree with you, just got it for 700 and it's just for the look and the metal built... Thanks for the honest review.

[@Roccetscience]

Subbed. Good video

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you!

[@ambrushadam]

Love hearing your thoughts on the + No battery was the reason I didn't get one and went for the MPC Live 2. Still have an MK3 though, which I love and use with my powerful PC and with as many plugins as I want.

[@DylanParisMusic]

That's the best combo in my opinion! MPC Live 2 for standalone and MK3 for computer work

[@ambrushadam]

@@DylanParisMusic Couldn't agree more!

[@cyborgchimpy]

got my lovely MPC live 2 just a little 3 weeks ago :) I also own an MK3. I have to agree with the synth quality and just the CRAZY library. I would also say if you want to get into a bit more detail, have a bit more of a traditional DAW feel and have a better overview of what you are actually doing I would say Maschine...but if you want inspiration, quicker workflow(in my opinion) fun and less fiddling around (bless that touchscreen): MPC all day everyday

[@pommedapi3847]

goood video! happy youtube algorithms brought me here. keep the honest reviews.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Will do! Thanks for the kind words!

[@jeffreyalme6480]

Akai Force with the new 3.1 update is pretty amazing.

[@minutiaemusic]

Bro legit it's so great to finally hear somebody else give harsh criticism on devices like these. Everyday I'm flooded with videos of influencers boasting up these devices but never taking a critical stance. I love my MK3 but I've talked plenty of shit about it in my videos too cause I didn't want folks to have false expectations.

[@DylanParisMusic]

You gotta have the balance! These things are not cheap and it does feel like we were misled on how flawed they are

[@jeffneria]

Good intuition on the deluge. I bought one the same day I saw it for the first time because a hardware piano roll made so much sense to me. It was THE device I had been looking for...back in 2016 I remember walking into a guitar center and asking if they had a hardware device that was oriented like a piano roll and every person I got handed off to looked at me like I was crazy. So when I saw the deluge i was super excited, but in practice, it is dizzying. And trying to sequence more than a bar is a real pain. They could solve this by allowing scrolling one step at a time, but the current page at a time(16 steps) horizontal scrolling is frustrating, you lose the ability to see the previous steps so your just staring at a blank grid again with very little visual cues to orient you. But it does have a battery and even a little dinkyspeaker, that comes in handy way more one would probably expect. So it probably still beats the Maschine+ in the "I wanna reach for it" test.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Appreciate the insight into the Deluge! Totally agree that having a battery majorly increases the reach for it factor

[@julesmerida4027]

would you recommend getting the standalone unit or not?

[@DylanParisMusic]

Depends on how much money you have and how comfortable you are with limitations and potential bugs

[@va941]

So glad I bought the mpc1

[@No.0.o.0]

Damnit! You talked me out of a used one. Used ones still go for 900. Was considering selling my Octatrack . This is the first result for looking for maschine plus btw. Good video. Will check yer stuff out.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Wild that this is the first result! Thanks for checking out my video and music! I'd say hold off on the Plus for now, 900 isn't bad but it still has some glitches. My understanding is the Octa is stable but obtuse, always fascinated me but can't justify buying it myself.

[@epicon6]

I'm having the same project loading issues with Maschine MK3. My issues are propably just a few 3rd party plugins though

[@DylanParisMusic]

I’ve not had that but it’s good perspective to share!

[@DopamineOverload]

I tell ya, Dylan…. Plus made me buy an MPC One. I freakin’ love that thing. I got it for only 540 open box. Bought a retro skin from mpcstuff. 2.10 update dope. Getting better and better. Longtime MK3/Maschine user. Really loving the MPC workflow though. Plus made me pull the plug on the world of MPCs. Glad I did. Plus just…. No. I have said on comments since Plus was announced that MK3 and decent laptop is the way to go. Stability. Power. All the storage. Third party plugins. Some said I was crazy. Thanks for validating my thoughts with your excellent video.

[@DylanParisMusic]

MPC workflow is awesome! Thanks for watching!

[@DopamineOverload]

@@DylanParisMusic always brotha. Updated my comment after you just responded btw!

[@DylanParisMusic]

Appreciate the update! You're definitely right!

[@ChasedRabbit]

I’m torn between the Maschine+ and the MPC Live II. After this video I’m definitely leaning more towards the MPC, which is honestly a little disappointing because I love the synths and engines native instruments makes. They make great controllers but standalone must not be their jam. I don’t want to spend that kind of money on something that’s not going to work though. Has it gotten any better since uploading?

[@DylanParisMusic]

It is definitely better than it was, I'm going to make a follow up review. If you can stomach the price or find a good used one, and your main priority is internal synth quality rather than just sampling, I'd say Plus over LIVE II

[@ChasedRabbit]

@@DylanParisMusic thanks for the response! Great video, I’ll subscribe and be on the lookout for the update!

[@codename9988]

Thanks for saying the things nobody else was saying. I honestly regret picking mine up last November with an s88 mk2 and the Komplete 13 Ultimate collection - also got a spendy battery to make it portable (super sick sitting in a park making beats), four hundred dollar 1tb SD card cause its the max I think it supports and a Gilbrator Drum Machine Stand ... yet I am happy and grateful I have it. I am still learning arrangement because I came from a different shall be nameless DAW. The Maschine+ is really not what I was expecting to be honest.

[@DylanParisMusic]

That portable setup sounds sick honestly! I hope they keep patching the plus and make it what you need it to be!

[@codename9988]

@@DylanParisMusic Get a Ripcord and an Anker 48600 and you're good to go ($150 give or take).

[@ProducedBy10A]

Thanks man. Ill stick to my mpcx

[@CDMESD]

I hear you. I tried to tell the truth with my review. I do hate the fact that there is no battery on the Maschine +. I paid for mine. I love the Maschine workflow. I love Ableton too. That is so cool that you are speaking in tech terms. I teach cybersecurity. I followed you on Spotify and I am listening to your music now.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thanks for checking out my music! That's awesome you teach cybersecurity!

[@nickgilday8946]

I saw your review and you did a good job being honest, don’t second guess yourself! Haha. I bought mine, no regrets and love it - it’s not perfect and it is over priced. But I’m happy I bought It. Nothing like cooking up something spicy while sitting in my sons bedroom at nap time

[@CDMESD]

@@nickgilday8946 Thank you so much. I love my Maschine plus.

[@nickgilday8946]

I think the plus is really more about where you think it is going than what it is. I bought it based on that assumption. I haven’t had any crash issues whatsoever but know others have. I definitely was disappointed about no internal power source. It was something that I realized I really wanted post purchase and it’s a small nuisance to have to get a battery pack for it if I want true portability. Other than that I’m very happy. For the record, I came from mpc so I’ve seen both sides of the coin there and the workflow/sounds of machine take the cake for me.

[@DylanParisMusic]

I think in general I disagree that anyone should pay over a thousand dollars for what a product could be someday, when it will be cheaper by the time it is what it should be. But I do appreciate your insight. I think if it didn't have the bugs there would be a fair use case but for me it's proven to be a headache.

[@nickgilday8946]

@@DylanParisMusic I’m with you on the price. 1400 makes it one of the most expensive options on the market, especially with no battery/speakers built in. As a solo unit I don’t know if it will ever justify that price, but I paid the extra coin to keep the other perks of maschine/NI…. That newest update to mpc has me second guessing just a little I must say lol, however I do think NI will get it together and I am a believer in the izotope/NI merger. We’ll see

[@nickgilday8946]

All that being said too I always appreciate a good honest review. I’m not looking for people to drink the kool aid or agree with me, I’m looking for fresh perspective. I appreciate your insight as well

[@DylanParisMusic]

I’m excited for the future of both for sure! Appreciate your insight and watching the video

[@ZombCity]

I’ve owned every new mpc that came out and idk the Maschine just fits my work flow better and in my opinion the design looks much better. Give us better stability, features and gui‘s for the instruments and effects with maybe a battery in the future and Maschine will be everything I’ve been looking for. One thing Maschine got over the mpc right now is it works with the new sp 404 mk2 over usb in standalone so you get all of those effects without having to plug in extra cables.

[@ItsJustEmK]

This is honestly a breath of fresh air after seeing so many of these issues overlooked in other videos about it. The wall power requirement alone made it feel a little redundant to me when a MK3+Laptop would be both more affordable AND more powerful. This is a situation where Native Instruments' most dangerous competitor was themselves.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Fully agree, thanks for watching!

[@modernmusician3346]

Same issues with it's wicked stepsister the Akai Force.

[@ludovicBerquin]

Thanks for your honest comment. I bought the M+ in Dec 2020. And it was crashing all the time, then I discovered that if you change the SD card and replace it with a 256 GB SDHC II extreme SD from Scan disk,...90% of the crashes disappeared. Through time I realized that maybe the issue was not the power of the system, but the sample streaming from the microSD converter. I am sure, you already thought and tried this. but, just wanted to share. cheers

[@DylanParisMusic]

Swapping the SD card out definitely improved load times for sounds and songs. It didn't immediately resolve my stability issues with crashes and crackling at 50 percent CPU usage, but I have seen those issues get better with some firmware updates. They're not completely gone but it no longer crashes every time I want to show my friends the cool song I've made and we both just look at this 1400 dollar device bootlooping and cry.

[@in_10z]

Thank you this is super helpful. I've been on Maschine since rev.1 a bazillion years ago, and always used super powerful PCs; so I never have issues (on MKIII for a long time now), BUT I'm considering a 100% DAWless setup (along with my modular rig) and just couldn't do without my Maschine. So after a year or so, I thought they'd have the bugs worked out. But if it's buggy and crashy that's a complete fail from NI. Being an expert in Maschine, I cringe that I may have to learn MPC's workflow but if it's stable and works when you need it, then I need to check it out. I am somewhat tempted to snag Mas+ used (no more than $1K) and give it a go with my workflow and plug-in loading. Maybe I'll report back!

[@DylanParisMusic]

If you can get it cheap you might enjoy it, but if you're loving Maschine Mk3 you might wanna get a new MacBook and just run off that for portability

[@in_10z]

@@DylanParisMusic It's not the portability I'm looking for. It's the full independence of any computer I'm after. It's upsetting that with all of NI's experience they couldn't nail the stand alone.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Understandable, using the mk3 and not looking at the computer is a better experience than using the plus in my opinion

[@in_10z]

@@DylanParisMusic haha that's what I do! Good to know the comparison tho thx.

[@truechristianity74]

That’s why I bought a used Maschine studio they are going for like 250.00 now when the 3 drops to about 300 I will get that

[@DopamineOverload]

Yessssssir!

[@l.a.beltranmusic4554]

this shit was all hype, good video.

[@mr.b614]

Honestly this is great to hear. It also on the other hand forced me to go dig deep into the plus. What I’ve found personally is that it gets pretty insane. I’ve actually used a Interface and recorded vocal’s and it was amazing with no computer and dare I say the effects that you can add to your voice other than auto tune is soo next level. Clip’s allows you to do amazing transitions. I almost forgot you the automation🔥🔥🔥. Mpc’s are insane too, Going back to Mpc 2000 or the 4000. You definitely had to plug them out and I up. You definitely didn’t have a speaker. You didn’t have a ton of sample time. They cost way more and the producer’s and songs that came from that legendary! No matter what have fun. Get to know your gear. They all have strengths and weakness but truly that’s up to you how strong or weak they are

[@DylanParisMusic]

As the plus gets patched and more stable, I have put a lot of time into it and it does get insane! A few tracks on my next album are definitely gonna be plus tracks

[@mr.b614]

@@DylanParisMusic definitely bro!! I’m sure it’s gonna be some 🔥🔥 the Plus is a monster. I think sometimes intentionally it gets less than favorable reviews. But as you know Maschine is a love language in it’s own right. Some will speak it some won’t. Just remember to keep making🔥 and most importantly keep having fun!

[@mr.b614]

I meant to say unintentionally

[@timandtheocean]

do I understand it correctly that there has been a recent patch and that the platform is much more stable now?

[@bigbeardt98]

@@timandtheocean I would say it’s more of understanding where it is now and how you use. There’s tons of different work flows for it. I found one that works well for me. I’m sure you will and can enjoy it just the same. You just have to speak Maschine to it.

[@chucktour7504]

mine too! I get you

[@alasdairomay7294]

I was so close to pulling the trigger on one of these. £899 plus 8 extra sound packs for free meant it was good value. Then I watched your videos and realised I'd be buying a bit of a turkey. The great price probably means NI is thinking of replacing it soon! I've been burnt that way before. I also hadn't realised stability was such an issue. So, wallet put away. I'll wait and see if a MkII addresses this. Thanks for an insightful video.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Stability is getting better but is probably worth standing by a bit longer if you don't need an NI standalone device specifically.

[@TheOriginalMistaluv]

I kinda thought all this through as well before I bought my MK3… I like the idea of stand-alone but I have the most upgraded MacBook Pro 16” 2019 Intel cost me 5k so to spend double the price for something I can’t store an entire K13 Ultimate bundle on and is no where near the power of my computer and doesn’t even have a battery… I chose the MK3 for now until future plus models come out…nice honest video, thanks!

[@skillfulwebdesign]

Your God Sent! I'm going with Ableton Push!

[@noveltycrusade]

I agree with several of your points. The product wanted to be, but is not, a "DAW in a box". I think, the most wonderful part about what the machine plus is, is what it can be in the future. The evolution of technology and the fact that within 5 to 10 years a musician could truly have everything they need to create in one piece of hardware. You're not wrong, it was a very expensive toy. But if you're not trying to get on the top 10 songs and just want to make musical scenes it's pretty darn neat

[@sunnyschramm9650]

maschine+ was never intended to be a daw in a box. its a sampler with groovebox-features and with amazing resampling features. its not supposed to run 10 vsts at the same time plus fx-plugins, etc. - also I never had any of theses problems. make sure you use a professional fast sd-card - will solve all the hickups while loading a project while another projects plays. also a new big stability update is coming this week.

[@noveltycrusade]

@@sunnyschramm9650 i was just like "wow, the future is neat"

[@saekonemusic]

Love your honesty. I bought the maschine+ the day it came out. I find that its excellent for sampling on the go (From vinyl, ipad, phone etc). But yeah the CPU goes high even with just loading 3 groups of presets.

[@BeauTylerMakesMusic]

Yo. I recommend grouping your effects in the routing. For instance, I put effects on the sounds of an empty group and route my sounds to them. The Maschine is actually designed for that but for some reason no one talks about it. I think it’s because so many groove box users don’t have more traditional recording backgrounds which is completely understandable. It will save a ton on CPU. I promise.

[@DylanParisMusic]

This is a must use technique with the plus for sure

[@Roccetscience]

Mr. Paris is totally correct in this review. I agree. But I cannot focus on the negatives. I just create create create. On both.

[@ZozillaThaGreat]

Dylan , great review , and the problem might be even not Maschine + only , i had feedbacks from students that they had crackles on projects ect ...i decided to give it a go : i usually never use maschine standalone , always part of a template in a DAW , i updated to last version and did several track on standalone , adn i can't tell you that , even if comp cpu is chilling , you get trouble : audio engine seems terrible more and more , and the fact that those so called sound designer (sound exepnsions) use 14 FX on master and stack anything on each track doesn't help !!! My Advise for Maschine users (standalone) : clean the groups (take off every FX unecessary ) , reset unused track (pad) , use if you have one a better sound card tghan NI (RME here , asio drivers are way more otpimised and solid) . Maschine is still superior from anything around but once you get a great workflow and a good working version , stick with it !! Maschine + : still non mature ..... and i'm afraid all the mess we see on maschine software side is due to the fact that they're having the + on the focus ...

[@DylanParisMusic]

Appreciate your insight and agree on removing group fx It’s awesome you’re teaching music production!

[@GeorgeHzMusic]

Man! so much truth in this vid!

[@DylanParisMusic]

🙏🙏🙏😎

[@lucsolomusic]

I was like: "wow this seems amazing, but the again it almost looks like a real computer, would that as stable as basic hardware?" Thanks for answering this in the first minute

[@StratsRUs]

NI has released stuff seeming knowing it's not ready for the market, yet go ahead and do so anyway.I enjoyed Maschine but it was never what they promoted it to be.Same with Kore before that.You are right in pointing out their software instruments and synths are great.

[@HOLLASOUNDS]

Got targets and deadlines to meet for there investor's if they delay a release they lose money.

[@IDONTPLAYENT]

I fixed my browsing issues with buying a better SD card. Now I use my Maschine plus more than anything. I actually sold my MPC Live 2

[@DylanParisMusic]

SD card upgrade definitely helped browsing speed but hasn’t resolved all crashing and crackling. I definitely use it a lot though

[@EspenFrafalne]

Good video - although i think its an advantage that Maschine+ does not have a built in battery. This means that you can use a battery bank that suits your needs or budget - or even bring several of them if you are going on a longer camping trip. Also, once its time to get a new battery, you dont have to open up the case to change it out. Of course, they could have added the option to use AA batteries - or ideally 18650 batteries or bigger - but then the unit would have to be bigger, which is maybe not ideal for all people... Also, im not sure how much power this thing uses, so maybe AA/18650 batteries are not a valid option... The Electribe2 uses 6x AA batteries, and only lasts 4-5 hours if i remember correctly. Ive got both the E2 and E2S, and charging all 12 batteries is a PITA..! All things considered though, i think the Maschine+ is a waste of money, considering you can get the MK3 for half the price, and have a lot more functionality if you just add a laptop and a battery bank. From what i have heard, you cant change the waveforms in NI Massive with just the controller - and i would be surprised if you can use the controller for making your own patches in Reaktor. Stuff like this makes the Maschine+ seem useless for standalone - but of course others may be totally happy with the features it provide on its own...

[@devam2288]

I fully can understand your points. Except for the glitches and stability. The last two updates made it super stable for me. But yes….I was about to sell it too a few weeks ago because right now I’m not using it that much in standalone mode. An MK3 would do the same job but something inside me said wait for the next update and roadmap that NI is laying out. I don’t know man…I love the M+ so much….or I want to love it because it has a great workflow, feels great, looks great. I‘m not selling it right now…and try to have more fun with it!

[@DylanParisMusic]

I am hopeful that more updates will help! I am kinda stuck with it so we shall see. And I'm glad it's working for you! I don't think my negatives should take away from your positive experience :)

[@MSNGR415]

I have been personally passing on their marketing and waiting for a +mk2 …

[@d4rk_l1nk_techno]

I got a Maschine Plus two months ago and I was experiencing all those stability problems you mention, it was a nightmare. Then I had to contact NI because a button was not working properly and it was replaced by a new one from their new stock and all the issues are completely gone. Talk with them because those issues are not normal and my new replacement is completely stable, that must be some faulty units. I was so lost and disapointed because of this and I see you are going through the same pain. I hope you can solve it

[@jeffneria]

Yes double down on that - It needs a battery! MPC Live II is so easy to reach for. I don't know how many times I've spent 15 min grabbing a device then searching for a the right power cord and then a speaker that happens to have a charge and a cable. Major pain.

[@ET2carbon]

Thank you for the insight. Looking at one for about 675 And I'm like ehhh mk3 maybe based on this

[@DylanParisMusic]

675 is a pretty good price for this imo. These opinions are based on dropping 1400 cash. If I had paid 675 I'd probably be a lot happier with it at this point.

[@johanberube3490]

1 year have passed since I purchased my MPC live II retro and it never crashed nor froze. I love NI and it's workflow (used to own a jam to come along my mk3, perfect combo), and I still sample many konctact plugins through my MPC, but man they completely loss the standalone competition there. Plus (pun intended here), I personally found the workflow that comes with the touch screen great. Yo, there's a battery and I hooked up (internally) a 500 gb SSD for less than 60 buck. It took my 20 mins. I love my MPC. Each upgrades make it one step towards perfection. It became my main center piece for all my sample and loop based projects, so easy to use specially when u use it with a USB mixer.

[@Smobus]

Faudra revoir ton anglais par contre.

[@johanberube3490]

@@Smobus ??

[@Smobus]

Quel mot t'as pas compris ?

[@johanberube3490]

@@Smobus ce ne sont pas les mots que je n'ai pas compris. C'est la pertinence de ton commentaire que j'essais de comprendre.

[@Smobus]

Au contraire, il est très pertinent.

[@YosiOren]

I think I understand since I have same GAS as you. But you don’t have to hate one to justify buying the other except for stability which is software fixable. All other points you knew prior to buying and you still went ahead with the purchase. I always buy with no intention to sell, so if I can , then enjoy both. Still not sure I am not going to buy live 2, but the m+ workflow is key for my creativity so that was the deciding factor.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Glad the m+ is working for you! If I knew it was this glitchy before I bought it I wouldn't have. Hopefully I can help someone else not spend 1400 on it.

[@YosiOren]

@Heffe because he loved it before he got the mpc. Even apple is not perfect no one is. Sure it is true + is glitchy but more like 16% of the time that I use. I have seen mpc glitches as well and crash and not loading projects. And it sounds like he was reasoning a purchase decision for the mpc. Purchase of gear is an emotional thing but then we try to justify it logically. I say it is ok to buy because you want to, even if there is no logical reason. GAS anonymous.

[@janeway1111]

Liked & subbed. It's a shame about the Maschine Plus. NI sounds are top notch. They should do a product recall and replace the crappy Intel Atom CPU on all of them ! I'd say they'll fix this issue with the Maschine Plus MkII if it ever comes out. As an alternative, what do you think of the Akai Force ?

[@DylanParisMusic]

I had a Force before the last update that added disk streaming, vocal fx, and a few instruments. I ended up returning it, however I have a new one on order as I primarily use Ableton for my DAW of choice and am hoping to use the Force for playing my existing songs in a live setting without a computer. Stay tuned for Force vids haha

[@janeway1111]

@@DylanParisMusic Excellent !

[@Jason75913]

Sounds like Maschine+ is not fully developed. It is Native's first standalone, and it is using a new, custom linux build, so they are porting their software to a prototype Linux OS. I'd give them time. I was thinking of switching to Maschine+, but I think I'll hold off for now.

[@sunnyschramm9650]

maschine+ was never intended to be a daw in a box. its a sampler with groovebox-features and with amazing resampling features. its not supposed to run 10 vsts at the same time plus fx-plugins, etc. - also I never had any of theses problems. make sure you use a professional fast sd-card - will solve all the hickups while loading a project while another projects plays. also a new big stability update is coming this week.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Can confirm fast SD card didn’t fix all my issues for sure. And they definitely advertised it as a daw in a box.

[@nickgilday8946]

I just commented on your most recent video in this too haha but I agree… just feels like some of the fundamental issues are as if they don’t understand what stand alone means.

[@marclemar]

I love this video…. I just had to say that!!

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thank you! 😎🙏

[@Diddddu]

It sounds about right.They could make a kontak groove box or keyboard by it self without a Maschine plus lol there plugins are pretty powerful.I'm quite sure they thought about this but it's a rock in a hard place cause we expect everything in it's full form but don't seem powerful enough unfortunately .

[@lionelluney3063]

I plan to stick with the mk3. My last hardware sampling groovebox was a mpc4k fully loaded . Because it was all I wanted since I bought the 2 k classic. A rack sampler different filters 10 outs on a mpc platform. Some things are redundant like the new mpcs ( having to place your sample in a program after recording an editing.you would think someone would have been used the ensiniq/ ni way of building instruments/kits while collecting and editing buuuuut that’s another story)

[@omarwhite3627]

I’m sad to see the maschine + didn’t quite live up to your expectations. But I’m grateful for the candid review. For $1400 you would hope that this thing would live up to the expectations. After hearing this I feel like folks are better off with either an MPC or an iPad if they want something portable.

[@chrisloren9363]

Yeah I ended up going with an mpc live 2 and it's great and portable, but the sequence-based workflow honestly sucks ass. Part of me wishes I went maschine, but what are you gonna do

[@DylanParisMusic]

The workflow is definitely super different on MPC, it eventually clicked for me but it took me a lot longer to get it vs ableton and Maschine

[@omarwhite3627]

@@chrisloren9363 What don't you like about the sequnced-based workflow? I've considered getting an MPC, but statements like these give me pause.

[@chrisloren9363]

@@omarwhite3627 It's just a personal thing. I'm very comfortable with the ableton workflow. I come up with melodies, I come up with drum parts, bass parts. I mix and match each individually until I like it and then arrange everything. With MPC, you make everything in sequences, which are like big buckets. You put all the parts of a sequence, like melody and drums and samples, and then you just play the sequences in the order you like. If you want to change a drum part in a sequence for a new part of the song, you need a whole new sequence with all the other parts in it but with the different drums. It's annoying. Also, I wasn't prepared for how much I hate using a touch screen. Again, that stuff is just personal for me. You might vibe really well with it.

[@omarwhite3627]

@@chrisloren9363 I see, thanks for this explanation, you comparing it to ableton really helped me better understand how it works.

[@pappayoyo]

i got the mk3 and love it , but im wait til N.I drops the next Gen of Mashine+

[@sun_n_son8731]

You can hear live Effect. Record vocals or Instrument. Is another Workflow. Bit you Right with stability

[@DylanParisMusic]

Yeah you have to do it through a pad right? I watched a good NI video with Jeia that went over it and need to try it out.

[@mgwiya1]

You're right on point. I also think, Maschine doesn't ready for standalone because of their powerful plugins need a lot of cpu and ram to run smoothly. On the other hand, it doesn't have built in battery and speaker are deal breaker for me. I love maschine software and NI products but for buy a standalone unit in 2021, my only interested unit is MPC Live 2 or the budget plan is looking for a mpc one in used market. Untill the maschine standalone have powerful and stabilized firmware, I can't spend 1400$ to take a risk , I'll stick with my maschine software and controllers. That will be more peaceful . 😌

[@marcdavidson7839]

Sent back the plus. Don't understand why NI didn't spec a more powerful CPU. It's the achilles heel of the system. Perhaps it was a heat consideration ( not wanting a cooling fan)?

[@DylanParisMusic]

I think they really wanted to keep the same chassis size so it meant scaling back cooling and cpu power

[@marcdavidson7839]

@@DylanParisMusic Bad decision. If they start using ARM processors (and touchscreen) they will have an amazing product.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Yeah I actually love not having the touchscreen for similar reasons to Accurate Beats but I do agree a more efficient and powerful CPU is a must for gen 2

[@marcdavidson7839]

@@DylanParisMusic Have you tried Akai Force/ MPC? Surely they are enhanced by a touchscreen?

[@DylanParisMusic]

I have owned both (still own the LIVE 2). They need the touchscreen because their UI is designed around it. I prefer the muscle memory button and encoder navigation of the Maschine to dragging tiny virtual sliders and having no tactile response

[@jessebuehler9082]

Wow, honesty for once. I think I'll stick with my Akai Force. That has some flaws and is a deep beast to use, but it's way more stable than this sounds.

[@kevinbirge2130]

I own the Force. It’s a true workhorse, and the support from AKAI has been great.

[@Mamadordeculosprofesional]

I was thinking of buying a Maschine + as a plugin host to use with my Force, feeding it midi and automation and only getting the instruments in return but im starting to think that's not much of a good idea. Maybe I'll stick to my plan of buying a Hydrasynth and a Digitone.

[@jessebuehler9082]

@@Mamadordeculosprofesional Can't go wrong with a Digitone. Sounds amazing.

[@Mamadordeculosprofesional]

@@jessebuehler9082 wanna be disappointed? I wanna buy it because you get 4 channels of FM synthesis. You know what that means? Dubstep growls and wubs. I dont plan to use any of the important features. I just wanna melt some faces and i like FM synthesis, and you can get some really really nasty gritty sounding stuff. That means i can route 4 midi chanels and feed it some automation through the Akai Force, or maybe route the midi through ableton just to be able to get more detailed and complex automation, and only using the laptop as an automation host, and then feed it into the Digitone. Why? Zero latency of course. I plan to use this thing live frequently. Route it through the KMI K-mix and voila. Insane improvised riddim. My laptop is shit, no way it can handle this live. But the Force can, because im offloading most of the work to the Digitone, a Hydrasynth and a korg Opsix.

[@gullcreekstudio1391]

So I just sold my mpcx...wasnt to impressed with it. The crossfade on samples (every sample snaps) was horrible to work with. Mixing on it is a gui page nightmare. It just seems like the mpcx wasnt/isnt what it should be for producing, arranging and mixing like its quoted to be. I thought about getting one of these but after watching your vid...im fully convinced not too. Appreciate you!

[@epicon6]

The problem with waiting for a + MK2 is that it can take anywhere between 3-9 years :) which is a ton of time to make music, so i might have to get the + now and just be aware of it's limitations on the go.

[@DylanParisMusic]

If you can find a good deal on a used one and feel comfortable with potential crashes and limitations, there is a lot to like

[@DylanParisMusic]

Dang the US is screwed on price, still 1400 here

[@epicon6]

@@DylanParisMusic It's not often that you lose in prices compared to Europe because in general we pay 20-30% more for everything :)

[@DylanParisMusic]

Haha true, we can probably take the L on the plus

[@Zudo]

Buy it second hand, use it for sampling 😄

[@youngsmasha04]

I like the maschine plus... to capture my ideas. The maschine plus is a MK3 that has standalone capabilities. If you bought the maschine expecting it to run komplete then of course your gonna be disappointed. I create projects when I'm away and I'm able to go Into controller mode and dig even deeper when it's necessary. I have 3 options, 1 use mashine 2 software or use the maschine alone or as a midi. I don't need a bunch of stacked affects like a maniac, I can use what they have built in and still make complete tracks. I can arm live vocals from my maschine plus. I think it's more preference. Akai and NI are 2 different styles. And mpc seems to be a bit Plain and old school. NI is pushing the Boundaries so we can always have a FINAL product that doesn't result into Just a Jam session. J.S

[@DylanParisMusic]

Thanks for sharing your experience! I’m glad the plus is working for you! Do you ever get glitches on yours even with monitoring cpu and not stacking effects?

[@tigergame]

This video is A1.

[@DylanParisMusic]

🙏

[@cadaverkev]

Thanks for your honest and thorough review. I took the Maschine + off my wishlist so I can stop jonesing over it. All those Maschine + trailers reminded me of those soda commercials where people are dancing and jumping up and down in celebration because for some reason, soda has changed their lives forever. What a disappointment because this would have really been a centerpiece for myself. It had the right mix of effects, synths, drum machines, workflow, connectivity, and form-factor. And they throw an Intel Atom CPU in there?! That's like equipping a freight train with a Honda Civic engine. What the heck were they thinking? I would have gladly paid a bit more if they would have put a more capable processor in, but at $1400.00, that should have been in there in the first place. I was considering, as a runner up, the Akia Force, but the synths are not very inspiring and there is not much deep editing either. I guess I'm tethered to my PC with Reason Studios for a bit longer until the next gen of grooveboxes surface. Again, thanks for saving me time, cash, and frustration Dylan .

[@DylanParisMusic]

Oh man I literally laughed out loud at the soda commercial comment hahaha so good! And yeah I think it's pretty rough to try and do a full DAW replacement with the current crop of hardware, although the MPC Live 2 offers enough quality of life trade offs that I find myself gravitating towards it. That said I still use DAWs too.

[@bigbeardt98]

Try the Akai force YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED AT ALL

[@maikvanrossum]

Lot of good points on poor stability and desktop-aimed plugins and expansions on a less powerful piece of hardware. But, comparing it to a competing piece of hardware doesn’t make sense to me, as there are to many differences, too. Espescialy when comparing workflows. Yes, I’m disappointed about the stability, too. Also on Native Instruments and the speed of making things right for there customers, that could and should be a bit better. Until then, I’m using the M+ as a sketchbook-like standalone DAW. Less powerful then my Macbook Pro, but pretty cool for beat making, sampling, mashing up loops, etc. and exporting that to the desktop, where I’m using Ableton Live is my primary DAW with all this NI stuff as plugins. I also use the M+ next to my Kontrol S4 MK3 and in sync with Traktor Pro for mixing in loops, 1-shots and effects. Again, I think some of your arguments do make a lot of sense. So thanks for taking your time and pointing those out, because a lot of the so-called reviewers don’t bring them to the table. But, I also think some of your research could have be done at forehand. So think-do-think instead of do-think-do… the latter is a recipe for emotional buying and become disappointed (and/or biased) later. Kind regards, Maik

[@DylanParisMusic]

Appreciate the feedback! Thanks for watching and for sharing your experience! Agreed on it being a great sketch pad. I think it’s fair to compare it to competing products, but I think I undersold how much better the workflow and sound quality of the plus is compared to the competitors

[@mobilebarber2.0]

I agree, same things are happening to me.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Sorry to hear it! Hopefully they patch it up over time but it's messed up they charged so much for these many issues

[@mobilebarber2.0]

@@DylanParisMusic I have had issues with downloading expansions and they have not shown up but hopefully they will patch these things.

[@josuearesav]

The "Machina +" 😂😂😂

[@EARTH.HARMONY.SOUND.HEALING]

hey man, i think i may be with you on here, just been grappling with mine... so many problems I found...

[@EARTH.HARMONY.SOUND.HEALING]

me too sometimes not turning off, properly or loading kits, and lots of Crackles... so frustrating fro how much money i paid

[@EARTH.HARMONY.SOUND.HEALING]

i kind of use it more as a instrument and load it into my looper..

[@EARTH.HARMONY.SOUND.HEALING]

dude it's like hearing myself speak, and i also have never done a review!! thank yoU!

[@EARTH.HARMONY.SOUND.HEALING]

By jove man you are on POINT!!!!!

[@DylanParisMusic]

Appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts! I hope they keep patching up the plus and make it better!

[@engx3733]

I was going to get a maschine + instead of an Akai Force. So glad I didn't and went with the force. However, even with the latest 3.1.1 Force update, there still remains stability issues. So you have to save ALOT. I use my Maschine MK3 alot with the Mac one mini m1. It's like a breath of fresh air as you stated with your m1 laptop. Give it a couple of years, Standalone units will be alot more redefined...hopefully! Great review Dylan. Keep up the great work.

[@DylanParisMusic]

I'm very excited for the future of standalone! Thanks for watching and sharing your experience!

[@alexandrosroussos]

I wonder if the best way for NI wouldn’t have been first porting everything on iPadOS/Android and create an mk4 and mikro mk4 with a built-in tablet stand on the top and sdcard slot to add content (now iOS supports that). Then once they got all the code base on ARM they could think about making a standalone unit again. I still have my M+ though and loving it, unable to decide to sell it because of the quality of the sounds I can produce with it and as you mentioned probably the best workflow out there.

[@DylanParisMusic]

Man my 1tb M1 iPad pro is sitting there just dreaming of Maschine to be ported!!

[@alexandrosroussos]

@@DylanParisMusic like an old PowerMac ad said “imagine the possibilities” 😂

[@DylanParisMusic]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@robertmazurowski5974]

For the Price of a Used Machine+ in Poland I can buy a Brand New MPC One and a Used Mk3 to Control my Main PC and have the software (NI Massive is like half of the price of a used MK3) . MPC Oes are impossible to find used, they get sold quickly for not much less than a brand new. And one shop sells the Brand new MPC One with an AKAI MPK Mini Mk3 Black Which I can sell and get a an A25 keyboard with Lol. I was considering the Mashine+ as I couldn't decide between used Mk3 and MPC One and a used Plus seemed to be the best Solution as I want to be Away from my computer and buying a laptop for mk3 does not make sense for me. The Machine has also this PRO that many people overlook, You have 1 device and 1 Workflow for both Standalone and PC. MPC One is great as a standalone groove box but does it work the same with the PC? The workflow of Maschine and the sounds is way better but it is not standalone. You can get both devices for the Price of new Maschine+ but then the downside is you need to know 2 workflows. It is a tough choice... But then You can Get Both MPC One for your music and Mk3 for the PC brand new, or get used you could afford the Komplete 13 Library or a quality midi Keyboard:)

[@brendodorset3720]

I was about to buy one of this machine plus. now I won't anymore. thank you for saving me $1400.

[@LaurentLaborde]

stability issue ? wow, that's the first time I hear about it. I believe you when you say it's been proven but... I used the M+ intensively (it's the brain of my dawless home studio). I had issues when I bought it. NI told me to reformat the card and perform a factory reset and then no problem whatsoever. none. never again. Best gear I ever bought in 25 years. I'm sorry it doesn't works for you. I'm in love with it and the reason I have been able to switch to dawless (that, and a multitrack recorder)

[@DylanParisMusic]

It's been a lot better for the last few months, I'm working on a re review to reflect that

[@LaurentLaborde]

all problem you describe were known problem related to crappy batch of SDCard. A known issue, I think it even was a forum sticky at some point and they would offer to send you a new sdcard free of charge.

[@LaurentLaborde]

i rarely get over 20% cpu load too. (but I use A LOT of external instrument, the M+ is mostly there to control them (including a eurorack modular setup). Perhaps that I explain why I never had stability issue ?

[@LaurentLaborde]

6:26 DUDE ! WTF ?! That was uncalled for ! you can't be serious. It doesn't works for you and it hurts to spend so much money for something that doesn't works for you (trust me, I know, I bought an octatrack and now I have a subsubsubsubsubmenu PTSD (luckily I managed to resell it for a fair price)).

[@DylanParisMusic]

Yeah that would make a huge difference

[@iwillnevergetone5]

5:53 you pronounced it without the "a" at the end this one time

[@SpyderBlackOfficial]

With chip shortages & inflation Native instruments will have an even harder time coming up with something ground breaking & budget friendly.

[@DylanParisMusic]

This is definitely a factor