44 Magnum Hornady Handgun Hunter 200gr Monoflex Ballistics Gel Ammo Test

[@masonleather_outdoors]

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[@Asmith-1111]

According to hornady's website, their 44 mag test barrel is 8 inches in length.

[@1459rony]

I have a ruger m77/44. I would love to see you make one of these gel test with hornady xtp 240 and 300 gr.

[@SolomonsOutdoorReviews]

I can explain why the low velocity numbers. It is not the powder. It is the length of the bullet. All copper bullets are longer than traditional lead bullets. So a 200 grain bullet is as long as a 300 grain lead bullet. So, you can pack less powder in the case. Trust me I have been testing 44 mag for years. For example I get 1450 from hornady 300 grain and 1500 from double tap 300 grain so this ammo is on par.

[@tmolne117]

Thanks!

[@tombraley3212]

Excellent contribution!

[@MidWesternShootingEnthusiast]

I’d like to see you test out the Buffalo Bore .44 Mag deer grenade load. Also I’d like to see you test the Super Vel 180 grain solid copper hollow point load. I suspect the Super Vel load would be quite a bit faster than this Hornady load.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

My suspicion is a fast burning pistol powder, mated with factory ammo "Velocity Numbers" and a longer barrel. May be the culprit for the lower FPS. Think that would still do the deed in the deer woods nevertheless

[@realityawayfromreality3494]

Handgun Hunter printed right on the box makes me think that you have a valid suspicion. I would expect faster powder out of a load designed for revolvers. Still, terminal performance was actually pretty good for a copper alloy bullet.

[@tombraley3212]

Great assessment of the cartridge. They definitely engineered it for handgun use, and I agree that I wouldn’t use it in my carbine, or as a combination cartridge. I also appreciated the suggested use for a light statured/recoil sensitive shooter. Cheers!

[@johnnorman7708]

I suspected faster burning powder than the typical 296/110 powder class. Faster powder might be delivering more efficiency with the lighter bullet in handgun barrels, but doesn't gain much in Carbine barrels.

[@donc4372]

It is so nice to see a rifle matched with the perfect scope.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

I agree, unfortunately Leupold has discontinued the FXII Ultralight

[@tylerd8516]

What do you mean you really need a 6x24 to get the most from a 44 mag.

[@tripplebeards3427]

Nice gun. I have a 77/44 and first gen Deerfield 44 mag carbines. I like 265 grain cast hollow points in the bolt and 240 grain XTPs or heavier in the Deerfield.

[@frankrodriguez9697]

Cool, ruger pistol caliber carbines and corresponding side arm.99,96, #3 , 77/44 ,Redhawk, Vaquero x2 , super Redhawk all 44s.

[@rangetime6779]

Another great test. Hornady must have optimized the powder to fully burn in a shorter barrel. Overall a good load and non-toxic if you're looking for that.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Thanks for your support! I tend to agree, a buddy of mine tested it in his 7.5” BFR and got great velocity.

[@r.awilliams9815]

Makes me wonder what they'd do in a 6" barrel. I suspect we'd see about 1200 fps or so, given Hornady's track record with advertised velocities lately.

[@TexasLeverGunner]

1500fps out of my 7.5" BFR. Bought some on sale/clearance to try out of curiosity. Shot well for factory ammo. Will be sticking with XTP's and CE Raptors over Lil'Gun for deer purposes.

[@jorgesolis9468]

@@r.awilliams9815 they do well in like 3-4 inch barrels it performs more like a self defense load though intended for shorter barrels

[@WayStedYou]

the hornady 225 grain FTX hit 2000 fps

[@TexasLeverGunner]

@@WayStedYou You can't compare rifle velocity to handgun velocity.

[@harrypeterson9287]

I'm still on the fence about copper bullets. Everyone I know that has used them said they saw basically an icepick wound. Small entrance, minimal damage to vitals and a relatively small exit. Any decent lead softpoint is just going to work, not so sure about copper monolithics.

[@morrismonet3554]

Yep. JHP for expansion and less penetration, JSP for balancing expansion and more penetration. Tried and true.

[@ronjones1414]

They've been around for most of my lifetime and killed millions of animals. They do like speed, you have to keep them above the higher expansion threshold just like a controlled expansion bullet.

[@morrismonet3554]

@@ronjones1414 Too expensive, too light for caliber, and do not kill one bit better than more than 100-year-old copper jacketed lead designs. Can't kill something deader than dead. LOL

[@harrypeterson9287]

@@ronjones1414 I'm sure how rapid and reliable the expansion is depends on bullet construction and velocity. With that said, much like with handgun hollow points it seems like expansion is not a guaranteed thing. I have a friend whose knowledge and in the field experience far surpasses mine, he has hunted just about every corner of the globe. In some places he was forced to use copper, he has tried several different copper solids and found that none of them stacked up in performance to even a bottom shelf cup and core JSP from Federal, Winchester Remington etc. They all zipped through leaving an unimpressive wound in the vitals, an animal that required tracking and a weak blood trail.

[@markoeberhardt3132]

@@harrypeterson9287 people act like copper is the best bullet but it’s a way harder metal. Sure it penetrates better but I’ve heard so many people have failures to expand at all and sometimes they tumble too

[@ralphbernieri3362]

The lack of increased velocity is a bit surprising?! The expansion was impressive as you said!

[@jorgesolis9468]

They seem to be optomised for pistol barrel lengths specifically and if u check out turkeys opinion video on the and revolver aficianado they seem to function more like a self defense round in the 3-4 inch barrels with mild recoil more self defense oriented with a california friendly material and name

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Very interesting load

[@curteaton]

Looks like a good bedside load too.

[@oncall21]

Great review Mason. With the 200gr pill I thought they would fly faster but that aside they performed great. Thanks for sharing.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Glad to be of service!

[@billbertagnoli4226]

Federal has a 270 round that Does 2100 fps out of a 20 inch Barrel. Holds enough ft. Lbs. Of energy for Whitetail out to 200 yards

[@mogulrider]

Thks Mason. I need velocity and an exit wound. For value nothing beats the White Box or Magtech loads for hunting.

[@carbonspyder235]

I really like that rifle the more I see it the more I want one !

[@Mark-uq9km]

The design resembles the Winchester model 88.

[@ejsocci2630]

Another great video and great excerpt for the fps out of a eighteen inch barrel, that’s a little bit of a bummer for this bullet.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Glad to be of service!

[@ronjones1414]

Hitting that wood is revealing. Reduced penetration and increased expansion (physics.) I'm thinking a LWFN is still the way to go for elk, but there isn't a blacktail alive that would enjoy being hit by this thing at close range. That low starting velocity will shed quickly with the low BC. This load will drop fast and decrease below expansion threshold fast, probably a 75 yard deal, but seems to be great at close range. I agree, this is a kid's wild dream.

[@hooks_and_horns]

You need to test Federal 225gr with Barnes expander hollow points. They’re my go to hunting and self defense ammo.

[@butleroutdoors2188]

According to the Hornady website, the 1475fps was achieved with an 8” barrel.

[@robertseafield5810]

That is a very long bullet that may increase pressure more than a regular 200 gr JHP. I checked out the 200 gr copper bullet for rifle and was not impressed by the velocity some time ago. They do expand OK but I would like to know how they do on deer. With the 200 gr JHP you can get 2000 fps or so in a carbine. Good video.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Glad to be of service!

[@williamgaines9784]

Looking at the fireballs, the load was definitely not suffering from a "too long" barrel. That they did not gain a great deal may speak to their powder selection. I have shot certain loads in rifles that barely gained 100 fps over their stated handgun velocity and others that REALLY woke up in the longer barrels. The other consideration is actual projectile diameter to bore diameter. Monolithic bullets are not as pliable as cup&core and may not fill the bore as well which may allow pressure to go around it rather than behind. Those bullets should hammer any animal inside of 100 yards, from pistol or rifle with a chest or shoulder shot.

[@melonrain6862]

I was wondering if you have any plans on testing 308 ammo in the near future. Appreciate what you do.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Yes absolutely, I’m editing the first batch of 308 videos right now, they will start to go live in mid July

[@melonrain6862]

@@masonleather_outdoors Nice👍

[@jakehenry-c9q]

Ya know, I think I'll stay shooting the American eagle 240 grain hollow points, my model 1892 wilderness classic by chiappa seems to really like this grain ammo,n, it has a 16.5", barrel, so it hits with a whomp, enuff for me anyways, great info in this video, thanks man, stay safe, shakyjake out.

[@Dm87509]

Check speed vs a pistol and see how accurate there numbers are

[@pascalscaillerez3232]

hello, In France it is the only copper ammunition available (several months of delay) I was thinking of buying some to dismantle them then change the powder charge because I already knew its speed deficit in a long barrel, I can have H110, what weight of powder would you advise me? I think you will find my project strange because you have everything available in the US but in France this is far from being the case. I own a Citadel Levtac

[@TheFerrot]

So my theory on that speed is powder. Im looking into reloading 357 for my lever gun. But I'm learning the wrong powder will get you hot nasty speed in a 6 inch barrel. But all your powder is burnt and used by the 10 inch mark and you really dont get returns with more barrel.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

It’s absolutely the powder

[@MrSwan67]

Shooting: 1:55 Velocity: 2:15 Ballistics gel: 2:36

[@colloidalsilver1096]

great video

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Glad to be of service and thanks for your support!

[@BigHammerz]

We wanna see a 200 yard group test.

[@robertblumer2578]

Copper bullet takes up powder capacity therefore a faster burning powder has to be used !!!

[@rynerenzaglia8006]

The velocity almost makes you wonder if they tested it out of a carbine

[@masonleather_outdoors]

I think it’s legit revolver velocity based on input from an associate that tested it in a revolver, I think it’s just a peculiar load/powder combo that does almost the same thing from 18”

[@chrisgabbert658]

👍😊 I’ll buy some when I see it tho for pistol .

[@chrisgabbert658]

And I got some.

[@WayStedYou]

1.9x expansion when it was at 100 yards and barely above handgun velocities

[@balancedfordaylight1]

I would be interested to see hand loaders push this bullet a bit faster perhaps past 2000 fps

[@jamessimons5544]

The Hornady bullets are listed as handgun bullets. Why didn’t you test them in handgun barrel lengths?

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Because that’s not what I’m doing

[@velolciraptors9461]

Would you ever consider doing the UNDERWOOD 44 magnum 300gr XTP? I’ve heard they need good velocity to expand and I’m very curious to see the results!

[@guardianminifarm8005]

It still performed well in spite of lower velocity. Thank you.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Absolutely, it would definitely get the job done and I wouldn’t feel underprepared using it.

[@sayimsgt4953]

love your content man. I have a question I'm sure that you can answer and id trust based off your extensive testing. I have a 25-06 that I reload for. I have alot of 100gr psp PPU bullets. I worked a load up and then shot a buck at around 80 yds. bullet fragmented based on blood guts bone at impact. didn't recover the animal. Would it be fair to look at your 243 100gr results and reload the 25-06 to those velocities and expect expansion penetration based on your results. I know I can load the 25-06 with noslers maxed out and be fine but I have this ammo and these little coastal nc deer don't need noslers. I'm really looking for a 25-06 load for 100yds. thanks for reading.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Thanks for asking and I’m glad to be of service! If it were me, I would not use 100gr PPU soft points in a 25-06 for hunting deer at all, even down-loaded. A .257” 100gr bullet is shorter than a .243” 100gr bullet, thus having less sectional density and likely causing it to not hold together as well as the same bullet and weight in a smaller caliber. I have deer hunted with the 243 pretty extensively and am careful with my shots even with the “best” 243 ammo. The 25-06 is an excellent whitetail cartridge, but again if it were me, I’d not hamper myself with bullets that aren’t going to give you much if any margin for error, which at the end of the day is one of the reasons I do these tests and make these videos. I’d use the 100gr SPs for practice, plinking and varmints if you do any varmint hunting and use the Nosler Partitions or something else appropriate for deer.

[@sayimsgt4953]

@@masonleather_outdoors thanks for taking the time to give me some quantifiable information and advice. accubond and noslers it is. the testing you do is amazing. at the end of the day you're saving animals and increasing the the chance of a hunter recovering their harvest. otherwise hunters are taking the shot a deer to find out it was garbage. before I found your content KZbin was left with watching videos of people shooting gel at 20 yds. Thanks again.

[@Simon-talks]

By the ghost of Johnny Cash, this is gonna be good!

[@boshoffbotha7830]

Bring in the 375!!!

[@frankrodriguez9697]

Low flash, fasr powder.

[@randysmith7837]

Will that work well for home defense ❓

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Will it work, yes, are there better options for that, absolutely. 44 Magnum tends to over-penetrate, even this load is going deeper than what you’d want for defensive use imo

[@randysmith7837]

@@masonleather_outdoors totally a believer in one side & out the other.

[@FishingTheIdahoPanhandle]

I know you’re reviewing everything, literally. But any chance of you looking to HSM Trophy Gold 140gr Berger VLD in 6.5CM?

[@masonleather_outdoors]

At some point

[@FishingTheIdahoPanhandle]

@@masonleather_outdoors And I will be attentively waiting! Your channel is freaking awesome for what you do!

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

A solid copper bullet has more drag

[@thebajablaster222]

Yeeeeeeeaahhhhg boiiiii

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Yessir

[@tmolne117]

That’s a pretty garbage ballistics for .44 mag out of an 18 barrel. Most loads are 1500-1800 ft lbs of energy in a barrel that size. That’s basically .44 special