RAW POWER!! 44 Magnum 180gr JSP Remington UMC Ballistics Gel Ammo Test

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[@wesleyhalpern184]

I love how short and easy that lever throw is

[@masonleather_outdoors]

All, regarding the very poor accuracy of this load, after further research it is without a doubt due to the bullet weight vs rifling twist rate of the 96/44, not some issue of bullet diameter as some have suggested. The 96/44 was purpose designed to handle heavy hunting bullets, up to 325 grains, with a twist rate of 1-20.” Decades ago, 1-38” was more standard for 44 Magnum carbines, back when the 240 grain bullet was the industry standard, lighter weights more popular and heavier bullets much less common. Recently, nearly all 44 Magnum carbines from nearly all manufacturers are using 1-20” as this twist rate typically produces far better accuracy with the current popular range of bullet weights in 44 Magnum (roughly 225 grains - 300+ grains). The old 1-38” twist was more or less a holdover from the 44 special (the 44 Magnum’s predecessor), which commonly used 200 grain bullets at much, much lower velocities. The 96/44 came out in the late 1990’s and production ran through the 2000’s, right when heavy hard cast lead bullets loaded to +p and +p+ levels were becoming popular, and of course the standard 240 grain hunting loads were still popular, all of which reached much higher velocities from a carbine than a revolver, lending to the need of a faster twist for stabilization, especially at the higher carbine velocities. As always, your individual results may vary.

[@CJ_On_Target1999]

I was firing some of this stuff through my 6" revolver on my channel. These loads had the most recoil out of the 5 loadings I used. The muzzle flash I was able to capture was insane, meaning there is a whole lot of unburned powder that is burning off after the bullet has exited the muzzle. My average velocity on these was 1565fps at 10yds, which is nothing to sneeze at. It appears you ahchieved over a 50% increase in energy over my revolver. That's impressive.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Definitely hot stuff

[@danielnalepinski3884]

Handloaders can get around 2100 fps with h110 in rifles with a 210 grain speer gold dot. Don't sleep on the 44 mag for deer hunting. It's a 100+ yard gun for sure with the right loading.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

I’m a fan

[@aaronbrown7239]

Where can you find gold dots or deep curls? I'm having a heck of a time. Been running nosler 240s for deer so i don't run out of deep curls.

[@danielnalepinski3884]

They might be available at optics planet.

[@Courier-Six]

44 Magnum is one of those rounds I have only recently gotten into. Have shot .357 since I was a teenager put of an old Taurus my uncle owned. Have shot .45 Colt for a couple years now. Pulled a deal with my buddy Jerrod who traded me a Mini-14 for a Ruger Redhawk in .44 Mag. Got a box of Ammo Inc SJHP. Pretty spicy out of the little 4 inch barrel. I greatly prefer S&B SJHP. Little softer shooting, though not by much, and is a great compromise between Plinking and Self Defense ammo. I will gladly sacrifice 200 FPS velocity for a lower cost ammo that provides more rounds for the cost. Ammo Inc costs almost double what S&B does without much benefit to it. Course, I don't own a .44 Rifle, just the Redhawk. Even so, I was hitting a Torso Target out to 75 yards about every other shot. With how massive Rehawk sights are and the distance, that isn't atrocious accuracy. As for under 25 yards, I got about a 2 inch group at 25 yards.

[@CJ_On_Target1999]

I bought my S&W 629 cuz of the .44 revolver from New Vegas. I do have a video on it.

[@tubbyshvfd9110]

The rifle is awesome, love seeing it. The ammo done very well

[@masonleather_outdoors]

It’s a classic 👌🏼

[@True70woodsman]

Just FYI, everybody wants your Ruger. Great test!

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Haha I bet, Glad to be of service!

[@JamesEngelmann]

In my new Ruger made Marlin 1894 with 20" barrel and 1:20 twist, accuracy of this round was very good. Better than the leverevolution or hornady 240 xtp. Impressive round

[@thomastevelde8547]

Better than Hornady ?

[@engelmania101]

@@thomastevelde8547 Well Maybe... I realized later that the inaccuracy I had with the Hornady was probably because a screw had worked loose on my sights as the range day progressed. I only figured that out later. Since fixing that and going back to the range the Hornady XTP and LeverRevolution performed well, probably equal to the Remington. This was open sights at 60 yards, sighting in for deer hunting. A benched gun with a scope might show a difference, but not one that will matter for mid-range woods hunting. Still impressed with the cheap and easy shooting Remington, but I think it's a bit light for deer.

[@jeffreygriffin1963]

Very interesting. Very similar numbers to a 170grain 30-30.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

At close range I’d prefer these, further I’d prefer the 30-30, as these are going to slow down extremely quickly

[@feuerland81]

I shot this thing once from a revolver once.... the hottest 44 mag load I ever shot. That thing was kicking!!!

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Stuff is pretty HOT! 🔥

[@dannyloughman]

Literally just bought a box of this stuff a few days ago for my Henry Big Boy, lookin forward to try it out at the range

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Seems like it’d be great for certain applications of your Henry likes it

[@balancedfordaylight1]

Most commercially available 44 magnum soft points are designed to perform out of long barreled (7inch or greater) revolvers and optimized for rifles, they will not expand out of 4 inch barrel revolvers like my smith and wesson model 69 , also this particular ammo was fireball city out of my gun !!!!!. on a side note I gotta get me one of those ruger 44 carbines

[@masonleather_outdoors]

The 96/44 is a lot of fun, the mag release is annoying though.

[@mogulrider]

Great one Mason. this is great info. Twist rate is critical. My 788 hates them as well. Thus far the White Box and Magtech group great. I think they are the same ammo. Groups were identical. 1moa

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Awesome, Glad to be of service!

[@omf2007]

This was an interesting and informative video. Thank you. I have a marlin 1894 in 44 mag from '79 with the infamous micro thrive rifling, a 1:38" twist, and a 20" barrel. I've shot the 180 gr Remingtons and although they were fun to shoot, they shot more of a pattern vs. a group. This same rifle would shoot 225 gr and 240 gr ammo into 3.5" - 4" groups at 100 yards regardless of brand. I'm not sure if it was the micro-groove rifling causing the problem, a slow twist rate (vs. the standard 1:20" inch twist for most 44 mags), or both.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Glad to be of service!

[@505shango]

I haven't shot any UMC out of my 20 in. Rossi But I am averaging 2275 fps from the 180 grain PMC soft points

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Good stuff

[@normrodriguez9306]

Ive shot this ammo in my S&W 629 deluxe ~ 3in barrel, ..... its a handful!

[@brianklamer3328]

I'll have to buy a box of these 180's for my lever gun and see how they group, have only shot 240 and 300 grainers. Thanks for the video.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Glad to be of service!

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Excellent! Great offering.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

It’s a fun load!

[@pepperspray4144]

Hickok45 had mentioned that in some 44 caliber rifles or pistols they would need 431, and as I said he mentioned that the bullets were tumbling maybe this is the problem not the velocity but it's the tightness of the boar. My Smith & Wesson 44 it likes to have 429 thank you great video

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Certainly a possibility, these bullets were not tumbling however, just grouping extremely poorly. Every bullet hit facing forward. They even managed to maintain their direction of travel until they nearly stopped and only torqued slightly near the end of penetration.

[@pepperspray4144]

@@masonleather_outdoors great point, good shots.

[@aaronwilcox6417]

That was with cast bullets in a Marlin not jacketed.

[@margaretharrison5885]

I also get some good muzzle flash’s from this round in my 1854. I used a Blazer 240g in the rifle and it felt like a .22 pump action compared to the UMC

[@TroyFairweather]

For jacketed bullets in the 44 from a rifle I always liked the 265s, like to see some 300s with a wide point in the gel.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

I’ll be doing lots of different weights including 300s

[@ejsocci2630]

Another great video

[@Citizensoldier85-ik6er]

Nice rifle, excellent video 👍

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Glad to be of service!

[@kirkwaggoner7328]

I wonder how the specs would change if you fired those loads through something like a Ruger Super Redhawk with a 9.5" barrel vs. a 6" barrel and compared that to the 18" barrel of the carbine. The 6" is 1/3 the length while the 9.5" is roughly half the length of the carbine. The guesswork would be obvious but the actual details would be interesting. I wonder how the Super Redhawk would stack up against the carbine in terminal ballistics.

[@garrettschienschang7898]

I was hesitant to use these from my rifle in the past because I was worried they would fragment to nothing but after this I may have to rethink that.

[@WayStedYou]

Keep in mind this is hitting at 100 yards, up closer like 25 it will be far more likely to break apart, I would tend to stick with 240 grain for a leveraction

[@masonleather_outdoors]

They seem to hold together and absolutely wallop what they hit, being able to hit the broad side of a barn with them may be an issue.

[@garrettschienschang7898]

@@masonleather_outdoors was holding a roughly 5” group with them at 100 using a tree as a rest with buck horn sights. They may just not like your rifle

[@benjaminbazaldua9839]

Just shot a single round of the same ammo as in the video into water jugs (at 35 yards), and it penetrated all three and bounced off the bullet catch onto the ground. Retained weight was 173.1 grains. Shot out of a Marlin 1894CB w/20 inch barrel. Recorded velocity was mirroring what the video had. So the bullet holds up very well even at close range.

[@Rex-cl2lo]

Awesome carbine I have the same but here (france) have hornady xtp 300 grains and geco 230 grains remington is extremely expensive here

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Awesome

[@littlewoody5539]

The Winchester white box groups really good out of my encore .

[@Cr0wmagnum]

I picked up a few boxes of that when Wallyworld stopped selling handgun ammo $7 a box could not say no. Would love to see that test with a revolver. 6-10 inch.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

I’ll do revolver tests at some point

[@mudbutton2]

Love the 96/44.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

It’s a lot of fun

[@CircleBrewery]

I’ve never seen a rifle like that it’s pretty cool 🎉

[@masonleather_outdoors]

They’re fun, only made them for about 13 years, not too common.

[@aaronwilcox6417]

Im in the northern rockies states so those straight wall case laws dont apply here. Still i think the new straight wall cartridges are silly. If i lived in midwest or eastern state I'd use my little Marlin SBL 44MAG and it would serve just fine 100 to maybe 150yds. 44mag is no joke.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

It’s a classic

[@tombraley3212]

Sweet little carbine!

[@masonleather_outdoors]

They’re pretty cool, takes a little practice to work the mag in and out though

[@DouglasPrice-p9q]

... 3.5-4" groups with anything lighter than 225 grain from my Chiappa Alaskan 92 in 44 mag ... best accuracy was with the Hornady 265 grain FPs & H110/W296

[@margaretharrison5885]

these shot very accurately from my Smith & Wesson 1854 with just the iron sights and from the shoulder. Must be a good twist rate

[@wesr1490]

I had the same issue shooting these out of my hunting revolver. They are fast and hit hard but I couldn't get them to group worth crap.

[@Southernsled68]

Like the 180 UMC load.Loud and proud round.Shoots great out of my revolvers with good accuracy.Might just be a rifle barrel issue.Dont know but best on your research.Let us know if you find anything.Really interested.Great video.

[@demetriusvick4769]

Great reviews and channel. Could you test a popular bulletin my area? Hornady Superformance SST 129 grain 6.5 creedmoor.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

That video goes live May 30th 👍🏼

[@WayStedYou]

extra velocity and shorter 180 grain projectile should be more stable not less stable than the 240 grain, it might be a smaller width projectile so not engaing the rifling properly, like a .429 instead of .430 or .431 getting proper purchase on the rifling to spin it.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Definitely possible

[@MattC-eo6ep]

Nice test! My Rossi 16" carbine just doesn't like to shoot the faster 180 grain ammo, same awful accuracy as you got. The 240 grainers work much better.

[@alfredallen7469]

You're videos are great short and to the point with all the 44 magnum ammo you've tested in your opinion what would you use for white tail deer and hogs

[@rogerwoodward9657]

Does anyone know what powder they ise in this load....been tryn to figure it out

[@anthonyfairbanks2952]

Nice 44mag rounds

[@masonleather_outdoors]

They slap

[@frankrodriguez9697]

Slow twist likes light bullets

[@dannyloughman]

You should test the 300gr .44 Mag from PPU, basically the opposite side of the spectrum

[@masonleather_outdoors]

I’m going to do everything

[@jakehenry-c9q]

Hey ,had to like n sub to your channel , I shoot a 44 mag also, mines a chiappa wildlands classic, with a 16.5 " barrel, wood furniture, absolutely love this 44 mag short rifle, I put a scout scope on the forward mounted rail, but I'm always looking for other ammo to feed my 44 monster, lol, like your videos on ammo choice, gives me ideas to try in my carbine, stay safe, shakyjake out.

[@realityawayfromreality3494]

My carbine agrees with yours. Doesn't like short bullets at all.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

After further research, it is absolutely due to the rifling twist rate. The 96/44 was purpose designed for heavier bullets. Yours likely was too.

[@jeromeharrison7450]

My lever action S&W these are very accurate

[@chrisgabbert658]

👍😊 there good in opinion.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

They certainly slap!

[@mathieunadeau8136]

Are they will work great out of a 1:38 twist

[@martyadams3915]

As far as accuracy have you measured the bullet diameter? I have seen an instance where remington supposedly put .308 bullets in .303 ammo. The ammunition business has been up in the air for the past 4 or so years causing untold numbers o f problems. Measure those bullets and see if the actually fit your bore.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

I really doubt bullet diameter is the issue, I posted a comment describing the almost certain reason for poor accuracy with this load.

[@NELLY-jg2rx]

Barnes 225 XPB 44 Mag please!!!!

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Will at some point

[@williamgaines9784]

Remington made a 180 JHP like that in the 1980s. Saying it was hot is an understatement. The fireball was visible, and LARGE, day or night. I set a comforter, I was using it to rest my wrists on a concrete bench, on fire in only 3 shots from a 4" Mod.29! Fiocchi is supposed to make a 180 that cooks as well. If I can find a good deal on them both, Rem and Fiocchi, I will give them a try. If they aren't accurate, I can always use them as fire starters. (The Fiocchi 180 gr. 44 Specials are one holers at 50 yards from my rifles, but my low power scout scope and red dot are not great for 100 yard precision) As for twist, the shorter bullet will not need as fast a twist as a longer, but they may be destabilizing because of the hard jacket not forming tightly enough to your bore. It would be worthwhile to pull an unfired bullet from those you've tested and see what their actual diameter is.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Good stuff

[@donwyoming1936]

The lead is very dark in color. Makes me think it's a very, very soft lead alloy. Probably best for self defense. Not enough penetration for me to hunt with.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

I wouldn’t actively hunt anything very large with it

[@PassivePortfolios]

Sure it's fast but sectional density is low because it is such as light bullet.

[@LoggyBayou]

Who cares about SD......It penetrated 18" of gel. Deer smasher.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Certainly, and at realistic ranges for this ammo using it on appropriate game, I don’t think the sectional density would make any difference.

[@Ruger44Carbine]

My Ruger deerstalker has a 18 1/2 inch barrel are you sure it’s 18 ?

[@masonleather_outdoors]

It’s 18 1/2

[@stanleymelvin4153]

Great objective video and test mate! Imma call you Dr. Ballistic! I’m subscribing now!

[@frankbrowning328]

Not the best for deer hunting due to low penetration vs 240gr bullets but a good anti-personnel round if your rifle shoots it well.

[@masonleather_outdoors]

240’s are golden

[@rambofirst2052]

It breaks up when shooting hard back books

[@ianscott9396]

They went to "Ludicrous Speed"

[@frankrodriguez9697]

Nit picking, Leupold. Leopold.

[@jason200912]

Remington is always a disappointment when compared to the fmj version of that caliber

[@klimakleberwegreisser]

lol it's muzzle and they put muzle😂

[@masonleather_outdoors]

Moozle

[@Simon-talks]

This is ludicrous

[@masonleather_outdoors]

My favorite adjective