Massad Ayoob: Don't Leave the Scene after a Self-Defense Shooting. Critical Mas Episode 13

There is a myth out there that after a self-defense shooting, as long as there are no witnesses, you can just shovel and shut up. Although they might think it could save them a legal headache, it is a big mistake. Expert Witness Massad Ayoob knows all about cases like this. He examines a few examples and offers helpful tips of what to do after a self defense shooting.
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ABOUT MASSAD AYOOB:
Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement columnist for AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s, and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of some twenty books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme” and “Deadly Force,” widely considered to be authoritative texts on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob was the first person to earn the title of Five Gun Master in the International Defensive Pistol Association. He is the current President of the Second Amendment Foundation. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught
for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and served as a fully sworn and empowered, part time police officer for 43 years, mostly at supervisor rank. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has
appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two
years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appeared in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).
0:00 - The Common Myth
0:52 - Flight Equals Guilt
1:58 - Florida v. Ronald Robbins
3:40 - California v. Herman Kreutzer
6:00 - What To Do
7:08 - Be The Victim Complainant
7:28 - Carry A Cell Phone
7:52 - If You Have To Flee
8:52 - Set Your GPS
9:27 - If You Don't Have Cell Service
10:09 - Don't Just Shoot, Shovel, Shutup
#MassadAyoob #WilsonCombat #CriticalMas

[@DanielBoone337]

I gotta say this is phenomenal advice... I've actually had to use my ccw against what I thought at the time was just a junkie with a knife trying to steal my truck but I also just buckled my 2 little nephews in their car seats in the back seat of my truck. I was actually told by the police it's a good thing you called because we already got a call from someone else saying they just seen someone shoot somebody in the parking lot and they were already on the way. It took a couple seconds for me to make the call because after checking to make sure I didn't have anything else to worry about from the guy on the ground I was checking on my nephews who were obviously crying and scared in the truck. Luckily for me they had surveillance in the parking lot and I just so happened to be parked pretty close to a camera so it was clear as day what happened but I was even luckier that I was carrying because what I found out after the fact was this guy was just paroled from prison for stealing vehicles and he's also done time for messing with kids. I never found out what this guy's true intentions were he never made it to the hospital and I'm glad I didn't have to. I also didn't see anyone else around the immediate area and there wasn't really any vehicles in that parking lot but mine so I don't know who seen what or called the cops and I was looking hard for anyone else incase this guy had help. So I would say just assume you were seen doing what you did and definitely get on the phone with 911 as fast as possible. Great advice and video as always keepem coming brother!!!

[@4randosutube]

Glad you guys were able to defend yourselves successfully and live to tell about it. Scary world we live in. It will never happen until it happens, eh?

[@DanielBoone337]

@@4randosutube Very much so... I never carried a spare mag and at that time I just started crying a concealed firearm so some days I wouldn't carry especially when I went to work in the refineries because you have a chance your truck could be searched and I didn't want to chance losing my job or getting blackballed from the plants... I always justified it by literally saying to myself "are you really willing to lose your career for carrying something you're never going to use" and it's true chances of a person being in a self defense shooting is very rare especially several years ago when we didn't have all this crazy nonsense going on in the country. But then it happened on a day I just so happened to have my nephews with me and it changed everything to the point unless there's metal detectors and somebody physically there to arrest me for carrying a gun I'm carrying or I just won't go if I can help it.

[@johnper2302]

You're going to hell, sir

[@4randosutube]

@@DanielBoone337 I hear ya. I work at a sensitive site and do not bring a firearm to work per policy . I am fine with that as it is a very secure site and bristling with very well trained personnel who are very well armed. Outside of that environment I take measures to defend myself. For some time have looked at it from a perspective of… If my workplace deserves the level of protection it receives, then why would my own personal safety be less important or less worthy of similar protective measures when I am away from work?

[@DanielBoone337]

@@4randosutube normally at the refineries or plants we will have to drive to a designated parking lot to walk in or catch a bus to the job site and they'll have security guard shacks by the road and maybe 1 or 2 before we get to the parking lot and sometimes they'll want to look through your vehicle (center console, glove box, under/behind seats, ect, ect) and they'll do it on the way in and on the way out. So I just keep my gun on me on the way in, lock it in the truck while at work, and put it back on when I get back to my truck for the drive out. You definitely said it right if the job site is secured I should be able to be secured on my trip to and from work.

[@aaronholmes8568]

I could listen to Mr Ayoob all day. What a wealth of knowledge and experience he has to impart. I would love to take a class of his some time, it would be worth the journey across the ocean.

[@robertanderson218]

I took LFI1 back in the 90s, best investment ever!

[@thedesertwarrior7447]

Ditto, dear sir.

[@Glasses5x]

I can attest to the truthfulness of this message due to personal experience! If you have to defend yourself using significantly detrimental means that could be construed as deadly/potentially deadly, DON'T be the idiot that flees the scene of what the authorities will assume is your crime!

[@Followme556]

IMPE experience in the ghetto street criminals dont call the cops. Just saying.

[@TheGunsAndGloryShow]

I've been convicted four times, not being guilty. Forget it.

[@Followme556]

@@TheGunsAndGloryShow But but...back the blue dooood!

[@teamtinyturtle9103]

Let's all take a minute to praise *God* here, who hears our prayers! Infinite Glory to our Great *Lord and Savior Jesus Christ* Forever!!!!!!!! ✝️ ☦️ ✝️ In the absolutely evil and *MALICIOUS PROSECUTION* that should have *NEVER* come to trial. Kyle Rittenhouse was found *NOT GUILTY!!!!* Again, Infinite Glory to our Great *Lord and Savior Jesus Christ* Forever!!!!!!!! ✝️ ☦️ ✝️

[@mxhdroom]

I just took my first class with Mas this past year. The facts and named cases he sites aren't rehearst, he just knows his stuff. Absolutely the best self defense instructor out there today.

[@eddiearchuleta615]

Aaron Cowan is the best self defense instructor right now period

[@mxhdroom]

@@eddiearchuleta615 Who?

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

Wise words from the great one. His telling of critical incidents is soooo captivating. Perhaps this is why Mas has aided on painting a clear picture and understanding of the facts to countless juries. He has a gift of communication and oration skills.

[@everydaypatriot1083]

Listen and learn. No one knows more about the legalities, and practicalities, of armed self defense than Massad Ayoob.

[@walkingwolf8072]

Who has never been in a self defense situation.

[@LeviathantheMighty]

Please, keep these videos coming! I know of a guy who went to jail for a long time for firing a warning shot to get a predatory a-hole off his property. What happens in EVERY Hollywood movie, for example? Someone will point a gun at someone else for NO reason. We have a lot of cleaning up to do because of Hollywood.

[@ericbertoch673]

I did not know that your cell phone would record the date and time of an attempted 911 call where there is no cell service, so that was incredible to learn that! Thanks Mas!

[@jthrelf]

It's basically your call log

[@ericbertoch673]

@@jthrelf I get that. I just didn’t realize that the phone would “log” it when there is no service. I gratefully learned something new.

[@jshepard152]

Your cell phone is recording virtually everything you do.

[@axiomaddict]

I trust Mr. Ayoob, AND he probably wouldn’t mind too much if I double checked this fact. I never want to see “The State of Caiifornia vs (My name) anywhere, ever!😵‍💫

[@Andrew-oh2nr]

When Massad Ayoob speaks, you can only listen. This guy should be on the Supreme Court.

[@nicholashahn3476]

He seems to have a lot of trust in our legal system. Must be nice.

[@allemander]

Back the blue ’til it happens to you.

[@rigel2112]

Not really he even explained how it can screw you over. Did you watch it all?

[@LesB]

@@allemander Been there, Done that! If not for a witness coming forward, well.....

[@sisleymichael]

Folks, order books Mas has written. I think I have all of them. He opened my eyes years ago when I was young and a new handgun carrier. Read his books. Good info.

[@richierich3053]

Once again another great video with a wealth of information.

[@jduffey320]

Thank you again Mass and Wilson combat

[@GaveMeGrace1]

So grateful and thank you.

[@bhoward9378]

Solid, experienced advice. As always.

[@cheatham777]

A Wonderful Expert I’ve read Mas for Decades

[@carljones3515]

Thank you.

[@RayDoyouagree]

Great advice

[@radiohobbyist13]

7:08 > "Be the victim complainant". "The first to present his case seems right....." Proverbs 18:17

[@eddietat95]

Depends on the definition of "leaving", whether that be the next room/hallway over, or the next city block over, or the next city over, or the next county over.

[@eddietat95]

God forbid, the next continent over.

[@LJ-jq8og]

I think that is already implied from his presentation.

[@artmallory970]

@@eddietat95 Seems unlikely, as *very* few 'mericans' own passports...

[@jeffcrenshaw9932]

Mr. Ayoob, you are The Authority on the subject! What a pleasure to listen and learn from you!!!

[@edlampkin6357]

Thank you. Your insights and knowledge are enlightening as always. A great fan of your presentations!

[@LJ-jq8og]

Fantastic and thank you !

[@joes9586]

More wisdom from one of the best.

[@sarahphillips295]

Mas is amazing and his knowledge is a true gift. His content should be mandatory viewing for everyone before they leave home with a gun. There are surveillance cameras EVERYWHERE. It takes a monumental amount of stupid to think one won't see you, even if a person doesn't. Unless your life is in danger NEVER leave the scene of a shooting or car accident for that matter. Always make sure you have your phone, a tactical flashlight and a portable charger with you. A dead cellphone is the same as no phone at all.

[@gbinman]

good advice

[@vernonhess3842]

Used to read his articles and columns in gun magazines when I was young. Brilliant guy.

[@peggynulsen1365]

Honesty is the best policy.

[@samhicks7568]

Great information, thanks.

[@gowilsoncombat]

You bet!

[@alberteinstein9176]

Awesome advice. Leave a paper trail as it were. You're fighting your case the moments that lead to a self defense event and afterwords. First blood, call 911 immediately even if someone else already did. It time dates the call and records what you say. When people argue at trial they're also arguing the appeal. It's difficult to change anything later. If you're the innocent party then act like it. Call for help. Thomas Dutkiewicz

[@terryschiller2625]

Thank you Sir for that good information. Been legally carry for over tens years and still learn about things like this every day. I pray I never have to use any training or the knowledge I learned. Again thank you Sir.

[@dougd5527]

Great information! Greatly appreciated!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad it was helpful!

[@rusure2171]

Great advice. 👍

[@jasoncastle4818]

Excellent Mas ! Thank you!!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Our pleasure!

[@randallhouse2772]

Thank You

[@kathleenmidgley9715]

Very good shows Richard Pettit

[@Jay-mv7xv]

Thanks again for sharing your wealth of knowledge!

[@gowilsoncombat]

No worries!

[@michaelfay794]

MA's that was fantastic advice. I watch everything I can ,even back in the Day from your classes. I live in Massachusetts, so your words are Gold to me and my family. Stay safe

[@gowilsoncombat]

Rock on!

[@RickyJr46]

Sobering truths, many thanks.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Thanks for listening

[@TwilightWolfSpirit]

Thank you Massad!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Always welcome

[@Jaybird-oo3ih]

Wisest of words! Thanks for all you do!!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Thanks for watching!

[@jimtewa8096]

Thank you again Mr. Ayoob, you are absolutely correct unless your life is in danger you shouldn't leave the scene, and that should be common sense, love the Wilson Combat Channel as much as the Wilson Combat Handguns I own, you guys need to put classes back on your schedule, God bless Sir stay safe.

[@jimhontz7313]

Great content. Great presentation!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Thanks for watching

[@garyjust.johnson1436]

Wilson combat videos are better viewing than anything on tv, network, cable and streaming services!

[@fscottfscott5369]

Great advice (as always) Thank you.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad it was helpful!

[@leo.girardi]

You should not sandbox this concept. A few years ago in Denver, the people called 911 and the operator told them to stay where they were. They wanted to drive to the police station. The other party drove back by and shot 2 people dead while they were waiting for the Police to get there. Situational context is important.

[@cliffcollins2497]

Thank you,Sir! Take care!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Thanks, you too!

[@jimmyromero7348]

Great information

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Grunt49]

Thank 😊 🙏 you.

[@marcweber4599]

Great advice as always! Massad Ayoob should be President of The United States :-)

[@cashields4660]

Mas, I'm finding your scenarios less and less difficult to see a clear path of reactions. I've followed your advise and instruction for long enough now, that as you begin presenting any given scenario I find myself sorting out the mistakes as you go and identifying the correct steps to form a more solid defence in court if not avoiding the need for a trial altogether. Having learned most everything about the defensive use of force from you it's good to know that it is becoming more engrained in me. However, refresher scenarios are always good practice. Thank you. (MAG40 Sac,Ca.2020)

[@patrickjohnnybobbin7323]

Words of great wisdom , let's pray we never are involved in such situations

[@GlennCJudah]

Much thanks Massad !

[@gowilsoncombat]

No worries!

[@andreholmlund1981]

Such knowledge man, love these videos. Thank you sir.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad you like them!

[@andreholmlund1981]

@@gowilsoncombat you know, when someone who has that knowledge and precense you need to stay and listen. Awsome videos

[@pastordoogie8438]

1:04 heard the same verse from the late Detective Denny Reichard. Great Point!!

[@grantburris]

Very good advice. I will likely remember it forever, Hope I don't have to use it.

[@josedelossantos2428]

The best advice I’ve heard did not know in different scenarios in self-defense no one ever even thinks about it until it happens. Very informative I like this channel I will keep watching other episodes you are very instructional thank you!.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Watch Part 2 of this discussion here kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHqtZaqChcRji68

[@josedelossantos2428]

@@gowilsoncombat Thank you ! For response I admire your dedication. The second amendment. The freedom to bear arms.

[@Prepper319]

God bless massad!

[@willypp13]

Good luck following the law in CA

[@MaMa-qh4dy]

or in NY too!!!

[@mikefarmer4748]

Sheet heads 😅. Love it.

[@bigboots6114]

he is right, never leave the scene if you are in a shooting

[@us1fedvet]

Stay if possible without jeopardizing personal safety. Report the incident to law enforcement by 911 as quickly as possible. Make yourself available to them. And, if you have witnesses, collect their identities for future use.

[@walkingwolf8072]

That's correct, never stay in a bad situation which may result in injury or loss of life. As a teenager I was attacked, responded by beating the attacker, left and went home, and never had to deal with the drama. Years later I became a LEO, and knew I made the right decision. There is NEVER a one solution for everything, it depends on the circumstances. I grew up in a rough neighborhood so I fought often, police were never involved for me to have a record to prevent me from being a police officer. Best advice the morons never give though is avoid fighting to begin with.

[@guydavid8656]

Good advice, however, that all depends on the circumstances, and the environment, and in these times, with such massive Corruption and enDEMically insinuated throughout this so-called justice system,

[@LJ-jq8og]

He is alerting us to the risks of that -- but yes, the DEMO-Rats are repugnant. Agreed !

[@seethebutter]

Thanks

[@gowilsoncombat]

No problem

[@harrydexter8426]

As a retired l/e good logic & sound legal advice!👍😊🇺🇸

[@lakepostell6912]

Thanks, 10+++ on info.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad it was helpful!

[@moicus29]

Huh. Yeah I never thought about the aftermath this much

[@johnwallace4408]

The night has a thousand eyes!

[@chaigtin259]

There's a beautiful piano tune called "The Wicked Flee" you can hear it in the movie True Grit. 8:42 They always say that rather than yelling "Someone call the police!" it's better to point at someone and say "You there! Call the police! Now! Because ." It's because that way it puts a lot of social pressure on one specific person to take action, and the surrounding people will expect them to follow through and would even help them get the task done. Whereas the non-specific "Someone call the police!" usually results in everyone expecting someone else to perform the task, so it doesn't get done at all, and if anyone later asks the group why they didn't call the police, they'd just finger-point at each other and shrug saying they thought someone else was better informed or whatever reason. 9:50 Note that the call logs are not cryptographically signed using a public key for which law enforcement have the private key, so a call log of a 911 call made from a "smart phone" that was not within range of any cell network would not be as strong evidence as this video appears to suggest.

[@renatapawelec8154]

Here, Mr. Ayoob discusses one of the many grotesque perversions of ethics that actually drove me to abandon my legal career well before the usual retirement age. Way back when I was in law school, a professor once asked me what I would do if I had shot someone in self-defense, and I honestly replied that I did not know. She then asked me why I would not immediately call the police if I had acted in self-defense and was not guilty of a malicious murder, and I replied that it would be out of fear that I could be railroaded by corrupt/ambitious police and/or prosecutors who simply did not give a damn about true issues of guilt or innocence, truth vs. lies, or the ethical soundness of my behavior. She then stated that she personally understood and agreed with me, but that maleficent actors within the legal system like to pretend that my failure to submit to their authority and place my life in their miscreant hands means that I am a bad person, and as an attorney I would be expected to endorse the parallel fiction that flight equals guilt. This is pure, sheer, absolute nonsense, and the people who work in the legal system know it. Throughout my career in civil practice, this issue of criminal culpability being inferred from someone’s reluctance to be victimized by a corrupt system still intrigued me, and I would frequently discuss it with others. I have often asked people if they would stick around if they had been forced to kill someone in self-defense, and many have replied, “No,” or (like I did years earlier), “I don’t know.” When I asked these folks why they would be reluctant to stick around, they voiced concerns essentially identical to my own, that they would be giving corrupt authorities an opportunity to victimize them when they had done nothing wrong. The truth is that flight has absolutely nothing to do with guilt, and the authorities know that fully well. Realizing this, if I were ever to serve on a jury hearing a case in which self-defense was asserted, the flight of the defendant would bear absolutely zero weight in my mind, and I would consider only the specific acts taken in the performance of the alleged crime in question. I know that the real reason that miscreants in the legal system want people who flee to be punished is not that they think it adds to the body of evidence showing their guilt, but rather that it simply defies their authority, and they resent the idea that anyone can unabashedly illustrate how corrupt they and their social presence are by rejecting their intervention on their lives and not be punished for it. The fleeing citizen is seeking to slip the bonds of authoritarian repression, and authoritarians like to smear fleeing citizens in retaliation for flaunting their demonstrable disdain for authoritarian corruption. This is such a depressing topic that it has actually compelled me not to carry in many years. At this point, I believe that I would rather roll the dice it’s an attacker than willfully offer myself up as victimized fodder for such a crazed, debased, opportunistic, unethical and immoral legal system as we now have in this country. I should be able to defend myself and leave the scene, attempting to spare myself the ordeal of wrongful accusation and authoritarian persecution, regardless of how much ire that causes authoritarians. That the situation is otherwise really removes a good deal of the incentive one may feel to carry a concealed weapon legally in the first place.

[@oldcop18]

As a retired cop w/30 yrs on the job (retired in ‘97) this video is spot on. I still carry an old flip phone b/c, just like my .380, it’s something I can always have with me.

[@jshepard152]

Make sure your flip phone isn't so old it won't connect to the cell network. Networks change every few years.

[@craigfelter]

I heard this in the Army a thousand times: You panic when you don't know what to do. It's the honest truth.

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

Mas, did you ever carry a Browning Hi Power for edc or ccw use? Just curious on your thought of the old original. Thanks.

[@sw640]

How can you not love Massad? If you’re listening Sir, Please come visit us at the Fernan Gun and Rod Club in CDA Idaho.

[@deucedeuce1572]

Should you stay there and remain a possible target for the assailants friends, family and neighbors? (or the assailant himself if still armed?).

[@TheGunsAndGloryShow]

or a trigger happy cop

Flight equals guilt, unless the Judge is Lance Ito

[@godgunsandgoldens]

The bronco chase was never entered as evidence in the Simpson case. Why is beyond me.

[@randyschweiss847]

There's a saying that says "There are no witnesses until one shows up to testify in court ".

[@therond.patron4959]

He is pricey however, his clinics are solid. Host him if you can.

[@uglybobhere]

Try not to panic? Stop and take deep breaths.

[@tomjean1387]

Honestly, that was upsetting to listen to, but clearly good advice. Thanks. Hope I never need it.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Glad it was helpful!

[@leeioh]

Is that a Michigan logo on your shirt???? Heck yeah Michigan stand up!!!!

[@butcho7492]

Everyone who owns a gun-particularly those who carry-should watch this video.

[@joecampbell606]

I hope I never have to face this situation but you can bet I'll call 911 as soon as I can.

[@stinger4583]

Thank you, Mr. Ayoob. Very good critical info. It's good to hear this from time to time so we do not become complacent.

[@HartponderJr]

There seems to be video cameras everywhere.

[@SpazzGotTHaK]

Loved the vid. Im also about to start using "Sheet heads" 😂

[@mechag9488]

I don't think I have ever had someone tell me I should leave the scene unless it was unsafe to stay. It is good advice to consider what you will do after a shooting so you have a basic plan and don't get panicked and do something you will regret. Don't over think it, it is pretty straightforward advice. Edit: I have heard of SSS, but that was also usually in jest, I thought. Not a good plan.

[@ExSoldier762]

I agree with don’t flee the scene and always be the FIRST to report! First report identifies the victim. If the bad guy flees and gets to 911 first, you become the bad guy, guilty at the very least of brandishing. The single exception to this that I can think of is on a lonely country road or deep into the woods. I travel across the Appalachian Mountains frequently. Those woods are home to all sorts of weirdness. From old fashioned moonshiners to Meth cookers and couriers to serial killers to inbred ignorant punks. I get into a gunfight in foreign, unfriendly terrain, I’m gonna UN-ASS the AO (area of operations) and go to civilization and report it.

[@medros74]

Honest question here: Would citizens band radio be of use in this situation? Been years since I have used one, so not sure how well monitored the channels are. Might help in the call for assistance/documentation, or on the down side, bring in assistance for the perp.

[@peter_d]

Can we have a 90 minute long presentation please

[@4randosutube]

I know people panic in stressful situations but how could someone, after some time to calm down, still decide to act in a manner that makes them look guilty? Even several hours later your actions can be explained. Possibly not air tight anymore but much better than fleeing. Hard to overcome that.

[@jshepard152]

Massad's legal advice is probably more important than his firearm advice. As someone who was falsely accused of a felony, I can assure you that you don't want to go through that nightmare.

[@mcallahan9060]

Nothing is absolute. If the scene is not secure and you are still in danger after a Self-Defense shooting you will have no choice but to leave the scene.

[@mcallahan9060]

@ManiacallyYours I made the comment when it was just the preview. The video hadn't played yet. Read the time stamps better next time.

[@chaigtin259]

I coincidentally watched this just after the explanation of the Kyle Rittenhouse sequence of events and at the time it had made sense to me that Kyle went toward the police, but then I remembered that everyone has these "smart phones" these days. So according to this video, Kyle should have stayed at the scene and called the police using a "smart phone"? A fairly large number of people in the surrounding area converged on the scene to help. So even if none of the "smart phones" were working for whatever reason, wouldn't it have made more sense to send one of them to fetch the police, instead of Kyle leaving the scene?

[@azilll]

@@mcallahan9060 You're also that guy that leaves the review of a product before it arrives.

[@axiomaddict]

The point is the call which shows intention. That’s what I took from his advice.

[@thefifthbelfry92]

@@mcallahan9060 lol ironic.

[@timetraveler1973]

"its kinda like a gun only smaller" KEK

[@lanedexter6303]

Good advice, Mas, legally correct. A couple of observations: “If you’ve done the Right Thing, it is assumed you’ll remain to defend your actions.” - except, in many places today, you can expect the politico-judicial system to crucify you for doing the Right Thing, especially if your attacker is the wrong color. Your many stories of righteous shootings where the defender just barely escaped prison after a vastly expensive defense involving the very best lawyers and expert witnesses, tend to make people of ordinary means believe they don’t have a chance. With leftist legislatures tying the hands of our police, many rural folk are making the “no witnesses = no phone call” choice. In my neck of the woods, back when it took a long time to get a Deputy here, locals tended to “kill their own snakes.” I’ve discussed this with my battle scarred ex-cop wife and my school days buddy who retired from 30 years doing The Job for King County. If they don’t want vigilance committees to make a comeback, stop neutering our cops.

[@dergunter1237]

cops are the ones arresting the people for self defense they are the start of the problem. The cops are also the ones looking away when your store or house gets burned by gov protected terrorists. So neutering cops should be the goal

[@lanedexter6303]

@@dergunter1237 cops are people, some good and some bad. My wife was a cop in the 90’s and has the scars (permanently retired a child rapist who stabbed her). When I was doing the small town vol. fire chief/EMT thing I worked with a lot of cops, most good and at least one a true psychopath who bounced from job to job, but remained a cop because of family influence with the Sheriff. Cops DO need to clean their own house. But these days, leftist politics has intervened, and mostly the wrong types are remaining cops. The good ones retire.

[@robgrey6183]

Defund the cops. THEY are standing between US and the criminals.

[@lanedexter6303]

@@robgrey6183 too bad criminals don’t realize this. Looking at it with my “upriver country boy” view, crooks need cops to keep them alive, and cops need crooks to keep them busy. Unbalance this symbiosis as you suggest, and a lot of crooks will be doing a face float in our river or feeding scavengers in our woods.

[@mkultraification]

I find it disgusting that a person who has just had their life threatened has to jump through so many hoops just to keep their freedom. What it boils down to is that no one other than the victim is interested in the truth. The police are interested in a quick arrest, the courts are interested in fees, and the prosecutor is interested in a quick conviction so they can get to the next one.

[@Lee-rq1ek]

I'll wager you've never investigated a self-defense shooting or any act of self-defense investigated by police. I have been involved in many shootings investigations and at times, investigators helped people write their statements to aid them in showing self-defense. There is nothing quick about a self-defense situation.

[@jerrysmith3516]

@@Lee-rq1ek Actually there is the act itself usually happens in tenths of a second and then others want to Monday morning Quarterback the situation when their lives are not threatened and they have plenty of time.

[@Lee-rq1ek]

@@jerrysmith3516 I know...I've been in two shootings as an officer...what I was referring to is the investigation of a shooting.

[@jerrysmith3516]

@@Lee-rq1ek Yeah, that they will drag out for an eternity. What makes it so bad is usually the intended victim has no criminal record and the individual who intended to commit whatever criminal act they were stopped from has a lengthy criminal record but that doesn't stop some DA's from filing charged against the defender I guess they don't like their repeat customers being permanently stopped.

[@noswad75]

These scenarios tell me that carrying a firearm is not worth the trouble. What really scares me is the number of incompetent and ignorant people that I know of, that are licensed to carry a firearm but who are completely untrained beyond their initial cpl class and a little range time. But who swear they would know what to do, and how they would react.

[@jshepard152]

Pepper spray is going to be a better option in most situations. And using it is unlikely to land you in prison.

[@rescot00]

Great video, I wish the Houston Taqueria guy had seen your video and not taken the very very last shot.

[@3Pillers]

👍

[@michaelkennedy996]

Stay…. But call your attorney after you call 911

[@Followme556]

There are times when "dont leave the scene" will get you killed.

[@mauricemaurice123]

For example when?

[@Followme556]

@@mauricemaurice123 Very recent example: Kyle Rittenhouse. Hostile crowds are- you know-hostile.

[@hobofactory]

He addresses those kinds of scenarios in this vid though.

[@Followme556]

@@hobofactory I can only go by my own personal experience, which involves 20 years working alongside my brother as a self employed BEA, PI, and repossessor in the per capita murder capital of the US, plus several years as a uniformed armed guard and site supervisor. There have been times where I/we had to produce a firearm just to get the hell out of the hood alive.

[@Colt-ii4qn]

Yes, in a crowd scene it would be different, but you saw Kyle was on video trying stop the police 😐