MASSIVE Scam / Pyramid Scheme - Miggster/One Coin

I know some other people have seen this already but I somehow managed to completely ignore this until my friend pointed it out. I have no idea how this is still ongoing but it's blatantly obvious what they're doing and that is of course straight scamming people.
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[@btbarr16]

There's probably some old con artist out there saying something like, "back in my day you had to put in the work to scam folks. Now with the internet, these young'ns don't even have to talk to the mark. They don't appreciate the art of the con."

[@Thor-Orion]

And he’s right.

[@yerwotm8]

I literally had this thought earlier. It's too easy.

[@TheVirtualObserver]

Coffeezilla did a video on this very premise where he showed a few scams from the 90s / 00s to contrast with what we’ve got today. The funniest bit was he praised the scammers of old for at least having more style and better presentations. 😂

[@agunemon]

Yeah like 60s-70s gangsters talk8ng about 90-2000's gangsters.

[@while.coyote]

If scammers would just put the exact same effort into real products they wouldn't need to be scammers anymore.

[@strawbarry7834]

"What the fuck are these words?!" - KiraTV 2021, describing the current state of the cinematic scamiverse we are currently living in.

[@danieljohnston2379]

You need to trademark cinematic scamiverse and start your own series haha

[@TensaZangetsu1200]

22 billion users? In a planet with only 7 billion people? Are these people dealing with other planets?

[@MrGold-lo6vc]

Yes.

[@DrunkJackal]

It said 2.2 billion.

[@NobodyHere951]

It was 2.2 billion.

[@mateuszsotys3912]

It said 2,2 billion. Which is barely better because it's still fucking absurd

[@bendelundead]

This is like slicing the head of one hydra and then discovering ten more just spilling out of it's neck hole.

[@kaijukiller9315]

This is like poetry.

[@matsuoakatsu]

"Win amazing 'prices' ". I can't tell if that was a typo or if they are serious

[@ghostoflazlo]

Lololol

[@jordanpowell2242]

Sadly they were serious and it was a typo

[@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082]

My guess their website will put malware to your PC.

[@reka10]

@@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082 it's a mobile ''gaming'' platform. So it's your phone they're gonna infect.

[@Sparclen]

Freudian slip.

[@brieb402]

Honestly, with the flood of insane scams lately I have a feeling that baf faith actors everywhere are just catching on to just how EASY it is to scam gamers. You can say literally anything and die hard fan boys will attach to it.

[@shikniwho7215]

well pretty much because of COVID, people stucked at home and start to look up for way to make money online and likely bump into this kind of thing. You can even use because of COVID, everything got delay as excuse to not push your product.

[@OfficiallyR3levant]

Gamers are easy to scam. Look at Chronicles of Elyria, Earth 2, Star Citizen, etc... they're easy targets because they take advantage of the poor state the mmo industry is in and prey on hopes and dreams by claiming to make the most ambitious projects ever. But then you dive into the background of said projects and find heaps of problems. The dev team is always lack luster, often padding their experience to make it seem like they're better than they really are. We've seen this on all the aforementioned projects. Earth 2's dev team experience on LinkedIn is a far cry from what they claim on their site. Chris Roberts had a history of terrible management prior Star Citizen where he was literally booted off Freelancer by Microsoft because he was out of control. The same exact thing is happening with Star Citizen. These projects are scams. Had they been physical products they'd have been sued to the ground in court. But the courts are behind the times with regards to technology. As Kira has showcased here there is a blatant pyramid scheme going on targeting gamers. The BBC even called it out and yet it's still standing. These types of projects will become the norm make no mistake. Until the courts pull their heads out of their asses it will be up to the gaming community to stay vigilant and call these fuckers out.

[@edwardroh89]

@@OfficiallyR3levant they target gamers because there's lots of kids, and kids are easy targets for manipulation. something like microtransactions is shown to be very very similar to how gamblers get addicted, only that it's targeted for underaged kids, but $$$ over ethics right? but either way, this isn't just a gaming phenomenon, i think gamers are so isolated from other industries or just don't care, they don't realize these scams are in every industry...it's essentially the profit motive, and the only way to stop this is (proper) government regulation, not let free market run its course with 0 regulation

[@jarredw5380]

@@OfficiallyR3levant Not saying there aren't scam games out there... I agree. However, I just find it hilarious that you feel the need to toss in Star Citizen as a example of one of these scam games. I highly doubt that it is and if it is... it sure does look amazing. Best looking scam game out there IMO.

[@OfficiallyR3levant]

@@jarredw5380 Star Citizen shares many similar aspects to Earth 2. They sell jpegs at ridiculous prices, constantlty lie about the state of development, gaslight their backers, and have missed every release date they set themselves. SQ42 is vaporware and all evidence points to them not being able to deliver what they promised. It's a scam, even if it didn't start out as one.

[@JacobLeex]

Great explanation from BBC on pyramid schemes btw. I always had a hard time explaining it to friends and now ill just refer them to that video. If they dont understand it then that just their IQ maxing out at room temperature lol

[@chillywilly883]

When the shills repeatedly say it’s not a scam, totally not a scam.

[@homemacai]

Damn son! What a classic scheme, followed the book to the f*cking line

[@Complication84]

This is probably one of my favorite videos you've done. Just watching your absolute astonishment of the whole Crowd1 scam made me laugh real good!

[@vanpeters9751]

For 2499 euros I'd rather buy a good laptop and development software lol

[@TheXxdarkangel10xx]

And use it to create your own scam game lmfaoo

[@vanpeters9751]

@@TheXxdarkangel10xx use it to take over the world

[@jwenting]

can't quite get that all for 2499, but you can get a decent laptop and development software indeed. A GOOD laptop'd be a midrange Apple Macbook Pro at 3500. Luckily I got one of those last year before they raised the price to that level from 2500 *grins

[@hanspeter4248]

@@jwenting A 3500 bucks Laptop is certainly not "midrange", unless you are doing something very, very specific such as serious video editing. No idea why someone would buy a laptop for that, though. You'd get a desktop.

[@vanpeters9751]

@@jwenting $799 for dell www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/xps-13-laptop/spd/xps-13-9305-laptop

[@EckosamaGhostTsushima]

1:40 i lost it at the strangely colored and cgi animated fox XD

[@zeugenberg]

Giving foxes a bad rep. That's uncool.

[@sdbegotist]

Melee will never be the same

[@burgertim7878]

When you order Biomutant at Wish.

[@ridhosamudro2199]

Now I'm just curious if anyone ever tried to lewd that fox

[@Riplee86]

It reminds me of the CarFax mascot.

[@Jasina85]

C'mon Kira, you know when a description says "it's not a financial scheme" it's gotta be legit. They wouldn't say that otherwise. /s

[@btbarr16]

I know right? "this is the best thing ever that will make you a lot of money... It's totally not a scam though."

[@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082]

" I am not financial advisor but Earth 2 is not a scam and good for long term investment." - Earth 2 shill.

[@thepretendgineer2288]

yea i agree its not a financial scheme, it is clearly just a legitimate multi level reward system, i think it is pretty innovative i cannot believe no one has ever thought of something like this before.

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

Yeah! It's all about the games and mental health guides! Rest are just a totally normal referral schem... - I mean model.

[@darkcognitive]

That’s the exact type of shit that Arya guy from E2 says 😂😂😂 They all sound the same.

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

At this goddamn point we all might as well start making our own rip off "games" now to make a quick pound.

[@mightyau8797]

That is unironically the exact thought these devs have

[@Nogardtist]

dont anger the scammers cause they gonna become monke and swing lawsuits xD

[@OfficiallyR3levant]

They don't have the balls to follow through. And if they do they are only going to expose themselves for what they are.

[@Yami0to0hikari]

If they actually sue they will need to reveal their operating data for sure under discovery. that will be interesting if they actually dare to do so

[@Reac2]

Monkey flip into the court room

[@Reac2]

@@OfficiallyR3levant A lawsuit is expensive, both time and money, for both sides. Just the threat is enough, that's why 99% of lawsuits are settled outside of court

[@medea27]

Scammers will threaten lawsuits in the hope of intimidating people but don't follow through - as soon as they file papers they put themselves in the firing line of both authorities & a discovery process that they know they can't talk their way around.

[@NecroVane]

oh damn, i sure want to "win amazing prices".

[@toddtaylor6506]

Pyramid schemes are like a century old ( probably older .... and the core con hasn't really changed ) at this point you'd think most governments would have ways of shutting them down almost instantly here in the internet era.

[@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082]

Internet makes scam more easier because their target are now all over the world. Good luck trying to get your money back.

[@mattko2755]

It's crazy how people are basically paying for what they think is the right to call themselves an entrepreneur.

[@DurakeMe]

There are actually more than just those three packages, click the green arrow on the right of the 299 package and you'll see the other one.

[@NobodyHere951]

I checked, there's only a lesser package for 109 euros

[@Sentient.A.I.]

I pray no poor morons actually gave them money to play cheesy browser games.

[@DurakeMe]

@@Sentient.A.I. agreed

[@Jordan-Ramses]

The pyramid gets harder to build because you run out of people on earth. When each person is inviting multiple people that number gets huge really quick.

[@Jordan-Ramses]

@@TheZenytram except these new pyramid schemes are even more exploitative. Earth 2 is holding everyone's money and this one taking huge cuts from everyone's return off the top.

[@KhaaahM]

3:24 holy shit they literally just used the standard assets from Mixamo

[@alexcrowl]

You are doing the entire world a great service Kira

[@moewzers9136]

I feel so bad for people who fall for this stuff :(

[@alexcrowl]

Why? They are going in planning to make money by selling useless garbage to their friends and family. They deserve to lose money

[@Weiswolfe]

@@alexcrowl this, they dont deserve your pitty for trying ot make money without effort

[@aliceiscalling]

@@alexcrowl The people who fall for this usually don't realize it's useless garbage. They're uninformed and desperate. The recruiters for MLM scams constantly feed them lies about how this is viable, "you just aren't working hard enough." This leads the people in it to think they're the problem, not the scam, and the cycle continues.

[@johnr797]

@@aliceiscalling survival of the fittest's wallet

[@regalgiant1597]

I love my daily dose of kira, keeps sadness away :)

[@KiraTV1]

😄

[@TitaniumBandaidsl6718]

my mind is blown. It's a scam disguised as a package of several other scams.

[@206Zelda]

Those reviews feel like self-back pats and self-pampering. God it's pathetic 😂

[@Sorrelhas]

Except for the absolute chad that complained about the KZbin integration

[@agahnimous]

8:01 The best part of the vid and a worthy entry to the vid. Well done!

[@Vaggelis983]

Ok now we only miss the "Arya Realty" dude of this scam to have another beautiful saga

[@ChrisParrishOutdoors]

Ah yes, trickle up economics.

[@Chase4478]

The sad thing is that a lot of these scams will get away with it due to loopholes. Even if the game was incredibly shitty they would simply say," Hey! We gave them a product so technically it's not a scam".

[@vonmeier]

Thank you for raising awareness against such projects.

[@GerardMenvussa]

"Planet eye-eks" It's the number 9, bro. It's planet 9 😆

[@toddtaylor6506]

To be fair it's Planet BS

[@SpaceTed]

Actually, the devs even refer to it as Plantet "I" "X". Ironically I suppose, since 'Planet 9' (in science) is a hypothetical planet that no one can confirm exists.

[@ORANGETIM420]

I'm having so much fun watching these kind of videos! Crazy times we live in...

[@coyoteartist]

Not being able to check it out without a invite is like Costco not letting you look around the store to see if you want to buy one unless you're in there with a member.

[@TheSixtthDegree]

I misread the screen at 2:09 as "22 billion users worldwide" and for a hot second I genuinely thought they were trying to claim that their userbase was three times the population of Earth.

[@mateuszsotys3912]

Well, claiming that their playerbase is 1/3 of the Earth's population is equally absurd

[@soulwynd]

There is a tiktok-like app in my country that is doing some massive pyramid scheme. You get paid for watching videos and ads, and there is a referral pyramid that pays a percentage out. It is bad to the point that regular people are buying google ads and I get these in almost every video with their referral code for this app.

[@Hempujonsito]

talking about Kwai?

[@chucheeness7817]

6:23 "What the F are these words?!" lol it's really funny coz that is what I also actually said when I heard 'fear of loss bonus'

[@PhillsReviews]

This is just a bizarre new era of scams... Feels like the dot com crash all over again just with crypto and nfts being the new insanity

[@Katreyn_]

"wtf are these words" yeah...thats how these schemes always sound to me. xD

[@CammyWINS]

Poor Kira doesn’t know yet there’s Mars tile “game” as well. UEG has video about it as well 😂😂😂

[@tinyblackmage]

i've been waiting for the reaction, "ah noo, it's another Earth 2" XD

[@rpcheesman]

First line of the wiki entry (translated) - "Crowd1 is an MLM company established by Swedish Jonas Eric Werner in 2018. The company is registered in the United Arab Emirates . A number of countries have investigated the company and warned its citizens against investing money in what they consider to be an illegal pyramid scheme." (translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&u=no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd1). Apparently the founder has been involved in other MLM schemes in the past.

[@shanethepain1000]

The real pandemic . . . Scams , greed and Corruption ! ! ! I am happy being poor , thanks ! Blessings everybody ! Have a great day !

[@wanderingwaylander2018]

Shady product aside, whoever did their advert video is damn good!

[@nman431]

This is highway ribbery, can’t wait to go get migged

[@cloudwolf3972]

3:24 did they just used the girl from Mixamo on their scam trailer? Someone call Adobe

[@jeremyowen1]

Miggster: We're the number one gaming platform in the world! Steam: Am I a joke to you?

[@TheZealo]

When you claim a total number of users but forget to check the total population of the planet you are in....

[@nman431]

They are obviously counting the alien fox people from planet IX, duh

[@niallrussell7184]

"WTF are these words!".. omfg cracked me up! 🤣

[@Gurupimp10]

It looks like a new "Kongregate" type of platform... What a Scam.

[@didntaskyou7884]

Imagine being 50 IQ and buying into those scams.

[@pauls5745]

omg I heard "fear of loss bonus" and couldn't stop laughing! wtf is this sketchy bs? hahaha @KiraTV oh you have to post more of this content!

[@nevierrix2118]

Yes, another Earth 2, but have you heard of Mars Genesis? It's Earth 2 and Planet IX on...you guessed it; Mars! My husband and I have been joking that we should create a start up and sell tiles of the moon next, since that seems to be a growing trend.

[@KiraTV1]

Would probably be a success ! 😄

[@magafugafu]

3:23 Wait...are these Mixamo characters??? :O

[@bryanmoyna9715]

*"If the product isn't profitable, you are the product."*

[@Kavou]

The funny thing is that these sites exists because people suppoort them. That is always going to be the element that haunts me in these scams.

[@ShayRubachOfficial]

There are more stupid people than stupid pyramid schemes. So the scammers actually manage to succeed every fucking time. This is so upsetting. I hope bit by bit we will tear them down to the point every human being on the planet will know how to differentiate between a real product and a scam. It should be educated like every other subject if you're asking me. As always, great vid brother.

[@raythepony]

8:06 "All these things are connected." I get it. Because it's a pyramid, it's a triangle and Illuminati.

[@CryogenicCadence]

Well, shit, I thought you had seen this already Kira :( I'll shoot you a message next time I come across something similar, just in case.

[@KiraTV1]

Only so much time in the day sadly mate , I know someone had sent me this before but I lose track of things while pursuing others. Definitely do that

[@MrDiggityaus]

Waiting for a Shane Isaac tweet sharing the exciting news of an Earth2 and Miggster partnership.

[@VegaNurse.]

Just gonna say it, on balance the internet didn't do much for gaming. Not that this pyramid scheme has anything to do with gaming.

[@Frostbytedigital]

That seems kinda shortsighted. I can't imagine what game development would be today if there was never mass file transfers online. That's kinda outside the fact that all games would be local coop at best and the free game space would never have existed in the way it did thanks to the internet. Since games would've had to be physical to be transported even today assuming there was no internet. There would still be a massive cost to any game actually being distributed. But I get it. It was more a jab at this scam that's picking up every avenue of engagement that they can pull some cash out of.

[@VegaNurse.]

@@Frostbytedigital Yeah you have to be an old fart like me to remember. For starters, no "release and patch" mentality (patches, when needed, were often found on computer magazines), no casinos pretending they were game companies, no fan fueled hype trains, better gaming journalism. But yes, I will admit the high point of gaming for me was arguably Planetside 1, not something possible without the intrawebz.

[@alexcrowl]

totally disagree. MMOs only exist because of the interner. Battle Royales are only possible with an internet connection. Are you just pining for the days when you had to go to a store and buy a disc to play Halo with your 2 friends?

[@ridhosamudro2199]

@@VegaNurse. you straight up forget what it have done to the old and small games, digital distribution is a godsend to indie developer, not to mention the marketing and crowdfunding side. And without the internet, the preservation of old games wouldn't be a big and enjoyable thing to the general mass, and could be left to the publisher hands alone. Pray that it didn't tangled up in legal stuff.

[@ontoverse]

"X-Wing Fighter", yeah I'm sure Disney are in on this one..... WTF?!

[@fkaroundhandleit]

I feel bad for the new generation of gamers.

[@VincentADK]

Hey there! Another day, another scam. 😳

[@stop7556]

"We see your MLMs are failing, how about we bundle them all together and see if people will buy into it?"

[@kiara6237]

''OH NO its is another Earth 2!!!!'' ROFL

[@emikochan13]

6:00 the moment the rabbit hole is exposed :D

[@sparkofcuriousity]

Be ready for MUGGster the dark future of videogames. Don't forget to bring your friends. Everyone can be MUGGstered.

[@Eirexeyes]

My sister worked for Avon years ago. I remember all the stuff that she was selling. I can't remember when she stopped.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Ah, name something and there will be an MLM for it!

[@ZeInfidel]

22 billion users?! The human population is only 7.87 billion.....

[@GrubbJunker]

"Fear of loss bonus"? Is that like FOMO?

[@INVERTpbFREAK]

Tell me that the music that starts playing at 3:03 is not the same music that Ashes of Creation uses for their monthly developer updates?

[@Jourmand1r]

it's because it's a really hacky edit of the spiderman movies intro kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2rdfJVjYpJ_o6s

[@Londoner1997]

It sounds like "Miggster" is a play on Mugger! LOL.

[@Bluepenguin28]

thanks BBC for that video, i didn't know what is pyramid scheme it helped me alot, also ty for the video Kira

[@iLink8]

So what this is is Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) aka the legal pyramid scheme. The difference between the two is that a pyramid scheme has no real product and the MLM has a shitty one. Curious if you've been invited to a MLM? Here's the MLM bingo: >Payment structure that gives bonuses and compensation for the recruitment of members and their sales >'Be your own boss' >Large upfront cost - buying in, by usually buying a bulk amount of the product >Free alternative to the large upfront cost, with venues to benefits to those who bought in >Compensation packages that are insanely complicated or convoluted >'Groundbreaking', 'revolutionary', or otherwise outstanding product or tech...that you've never heard of before. And the one that's confusing KiraTV: >Exclusivity joining (instilling a fear of missing out) If y'all have any questions let me know - people apparently make me out to be a sap (I've been invited to two separate MLMs)

[@95DreadLord]

Worlds biggest mobile gaming platform. Downloads in thousands and you have to be invited to get in. GENIOUS

[@mateuszsotys3912]

Wait, 2,2 BILLION users? You know, BILLION? 2 200 000 000? Like you know, one third of Earths population? How stupid would someone have to be to believe that?

[@swinnburn]

Money does grow on trees!? pyramid shaped trees!😆🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲💰🤑 💸

[@jonathansoko1085]

Alot of people wonder why people fall for these thingsl..... its simple, if they say you can get rich, there will be people lining up regardless of how stupid it is

[@NormalBlueKangaroo]

I'm not even ready for an Earth 2 let alone a 3. D:

[@Malforian]

Im getting twitter adverts in Canada for another Earth 2 style scam, they stopped the ads so i cant find its name. It uses llamas in the ads if anyone else encounters them, its exactly the same as Earth 2 though, you buy parts of the earth

[@cookeepuff]

This scam has so many layers. Wow.

[@oliver_twistor]

Both PlanetIX and Crowd1 are Swedish "companies". I'm embarrassed for being from the same country at those scammers. By the way, the mobile games you would get through that €5.75/mo subscription looks like utter crap. Why not buy one decent game per month from either Google's or Apple's marketplace for €5 instead? A few of my friends have fallen to MLM scams. They end up with a huge pile of unsellable crap and a hole in their wallet. It's a shame, and I wish lawmakers would take a more proactive approach to stem this crap from popping up all the time.

[@redbeardsteelskin6723]

Apologies, read it as 22 billion, it was 2.2 billion members. So like a 4th of the planet at least signed up to play these 100 games or for services yet to come. Microsoft and Sony better start taking notes. Secondly, is putting the highest costing membership first a EU thing, or is this company just THAT scummy? (I live in the US, no idea how things like this are presented in other countries). Also, if you have to include in your business model "This is NOT a scheme" I mean, sure, it's not a scheme, it's a scam. Thanks for the video Kira!

[@Flarestar91]

You know it's getting ot of hand when even Kira starts missing these new "businesses" xD They are all over the place now

[@Courier_6]

Such a scammy sounding name too. Combine that with the promotional videos which look like the product of the bad guys, in some low budget teen film. Very suspiciously sparse FAQ as well.

[@creatingtailedstories]

Did you know that if you turn the pyramid scheme upside down, then everyone is getting rich! Just need to find a looser...

[@ZuloYT]

i like how in their trailer it says "win amazing prices" like um wait dont you mean prizes? rofl typo? def not a scam hahahahahhahahahahahah good one.

[@buttergolem8584]

The number 1 gaming plattform? That would be Steam.

[@alloounou6900]

Steam or Nintendo Switch. I would say just Nintendo without the console part, though, as many many people are familiar with the brand.

[@zeethefuture8262]

If they are selling you something, you are the product.

[@madphantompixels6478]

Invite your mates to Miggster and they ain't gonna be your mates for much longer.

[@unbearifiedbear1885]

"Invite only" makes this smack of _"laundering operation"_ tbh..

[@Dsrapchile]

Some has to demand kickstarter for allow scam and dont do anything for investigate or protect the user from that. They need to pay a lot.

[@YoungMorningkeeper]

When even the BBC jumps on it, you know its bad.

[@joeshmoe7485]

like Earth2, I just don't get it. You buy virtual parcels of land and then?? What? What do you do with it?

[@alloounou6900]

People can see it like a stock exchange or crypto. Just without the dividends or interest of stocks or the track record and usability of crypto. It might as well be similar to trading and selling Pokémon cards but with questionable legality and someone else is getting rich off your trades.

[@ThirsttyRecon]

This is even better than Earth 2, Its planet IX!

[@oldreaddy3341]

The want people old enough to have a credit card but not old enough to have a functioning braincell... Fantastic...

[@chaoticgoodcoding3700]

How much!? If I had more money... and was friends with idiots... I could be rich!?