Dreamworld - The Scam MMO that got funded

[@CallumUpton]

Fantastic video josh! Thanks for the shoutout, this will be one hell of a project to follow now funding has ended 🤣

[@XraynPR]

@Mohamed Kannon annoying bot comments

[@Adrian19032]

it got shut down??? fckking justice! Thanks to everyone for calling these scammers out! these as§holes are making it very tough for hard working indie devs to get funding. So yeah.. Thank you Josh.

[@stonefree7973]

@@Adrian19032 No they mean the funding has been completed.

[@Adrian19032]

@@stonefree7973 oh man...

[@gallygunnm5849]

So is yours man. Good to see people investing energy into defrauding those scammers.

[@anthonyferguson9282]

When I see "thousands of unique biomes" I just think "this grassland has a small cluster of trees over there and that grassland has a small rocky cluster instead".

[@kirayoshikage4057]

And that's because that's what makes up biomes... Games like minecraft, terraria and starbound pretty much exhausted all the possibilities for biomes, the further variations being just "haha so instead of climate, the difference is mineral abudant in it". And they don't have thousands of them, hell, major biomes of the planet we live in can be listed on one hand...

[@kirayoshikage4057]

@@bellepeppermint Using 10 bit colour technology, we've made 1 BILLION biomes and that's just a beginning!

[@Geck_Gxng]

@@kirayoshikage4057 terraria is amazing tho

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

@@kirayoshikage4057 Terraria’s biomes are probably the most diverse I’ve seen. Each biome pretty much has not only a unique looking environment, but unique weapons, enemies, and boss summons. They also have different events (like a sandstorm inside of the desert vs. a snowstorm in snow areas vs. raining, which, each of those have unique enemies during those times). Now, if they tried to make more than the existing biomes, I think it would get a bit excessive. I mean, what more do you really need? Lol

[@voidling2632]

@@kirayoshikage4057 "pretty much exhausted all the possibilities for biomes" that's something I would not necessary say... I can think of a few new biomes. I mean if we stick with fantasy, fantasy does not have limits but our own imagination, so we could come up with new flora and fauna... Morrowind is a good example for this. For a game however I would highly advise against too many biomes. It's better to have few and throughly fleshed out than too many boring/empty ones.

[@metalj]

''Players can upload any 3D model they want from existing 3D modeling programs.'' *Nintendo's lawyer has entered the server*

[@janetplanet4595]

isn't that imvu too like this is just a moveable version of it

[@metalj]

@@janetplanet4595 Yes, but I think IMVU has a lot of employees as opposed to the two people planning on making this game.

[@richardhanck972]

*Disney's Lawyer:* "What kept you, Takahashi?"

[@dodojesus4529]

Me porting a 3d hentai character, "this is why we can't have nice things"

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

EVERYONE'S lawyers have entered the server.

[@BarokaiRein]

"our game is all genres and all styles that will ever exist at the same time and is best at all of it. Gimme money!" and people actually fucking did.

[@devforfun5618]

yup, just imagine making a creation engine that is also an mmo, even if they were capable of developing it, day one players would create things that would destroy the game

[@sleeves2604]

@@devforfun5618 They exist, but they take time, effort, intelligence, and resources.

[@mayo5826]

They are claiming this is ready player one

[@DrekenProductions]

@@mayo5826 do they realize that movie dosent even know what it wants to be? first they are chilling in a club then its an all out warzone. which is it? a safe zone or just fight whoever you want? whats holding players back from all out anarchy. what makes anyone behave at any given time? why dont the sixers just kill everyone constantly? if they can ambush them in the club scene why wait to ambush them at all? why dont they just constantly hunt down the main characters to no end? why would the sixers even allow average players to obtain loot. the sixers would dominate all other factions and clans regardless of anyones skills. the movie itself is one of my favorites but its as much of an example of gameplay as wreck it ralph saves the internet.

[@livanbard]

@@devforfun5618 that's fucking roblox dude. Also gmod and many others

[@DuskoftheTwilight]

My mind basically goes to "So you're making Second Life, except instead of all kinds of distinct worlds people can visit you're claiming they will all be in one infinitely large world."

[@ahniandfriends123]

The pets system reminded me of Jumpstart with its mythies and dragons. Only that game had a very cohesive style and had a clear goal on what type of game it is.

[@kirayoshikage4057]

One infinitely large world, where did I hear this before....?

[@thefunnyaerialman]

This also made me think of things like "Dreams" Media Molecule or "Core" by Manticore Games. Except, from what I can remember, neither of those were MMOs. Dreams was kinda like the "more complex Roblox" idea the scam dev guys had. You have shapes. You put shapes together. You can choose how the shapes move. It was pretty interesting for a while, but then it kinda dropped off. Oh no, people are gonna get this DreamWorld junk mixed up with Dreams, I just know it.

[@monosophy691]

Second life is actually also in a single giant world. It's also complete shit and not just because of their failure to ban pedophiles which caused all businesses to pull out of it

[@monosophy691]

@BaxiTube They also devote individual fucking hardware devices to each chunk for some reason if I remember right. Theyre completely insane

[@SF3L]

If this actually becomes a real game I’d be surprised if it passes 100 players and lasts more than 3 days

[@aleanddragonITA]

I would be surprised if it reach 3 Players and last more than 2 Hours

[@samuelbonell8850]

I would be surprised if it surpasses 1 player and lasts more than 10 minutes

[@bigfat4172]

@Hellbanisher Rockz I would be surprised if it passes .25 players and lasts for more than 2.5 minutes.

[@nekad2000]

It's not supposed to get any players. They're just going to take the money and run.

[@NigelUltra]

I would be surprised if it passes .01 players and lasts for more than 6 seconds

[@wizardjian]

There is a way this game can exist. In fact the Devs already told everyone how it's achievable. The game is called Dream World. Literally Dream World. It's a game inside your dreams. No development necessary since both the software and hardware is preinstalled at birth. The Devs is literally selling people their own imagination lol. 10/10 IGN

[@jonathand.t.5051]

"They asked me if I had a degree in theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard."

[@NioFiota]

@@jonathand.t.5051 Good one. Whose quote is that?

[@jonathand.t.5051]

@@NioFiota Fantastic from Fallout New Vegas

[@samainord]

​@@jonathand.t.5051damn i should kill him less often and listen to him

[@ThommyofThenn]

​@@NioFiotaI had to read the reply after to figure out who it was but I heard the guys voice in my mind right after I did.

[@slopesgameroom]

I am so surprised that this has still not been taken down. Good job getting the video out mate. I will be following up on this asap too.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Let me know when you do, you'll be able to go into detail :D

[@Doritoboy200live]

He doesn't get enough views for them to care unfortunately

[@chronosschiron]

and guys like me that dont ask for money cant get hardware to even do things its all disgusting

[@musikalniyfanboichik]

@@chronosschiron i mean... there is no harm to kickstart your project if you need money. go ahead.

[@chronosschiron]

@@musikalniyfanboichik i dont want to go that route i do have a neat idea for cinematics but gawd hardware prices are stupid and i dont want YOU say to pay for it thats jsut as unfair as putting cash into a scam

[@FPSDIESEL]

I just assume crowdfunding platforms easily make for great money laundering tools

[@Shorty_Lickens]

If its legal its not money laundering. Its called capitalism. Just like casinos.

[@stianbogevik3805]

@@devforfun5618 and it's not laundering.

[@rdizzy1]

@@devforfun5618 In a purely legal sense, sure, but not in overall terms. You can have the legal definition of the term, and the overall socially used definition (or non legal definition, or basic definition). If I manage to launder illegal money, exploiting legal means or loopholes ,it is still laundering money. Legal definitions differ wildly from country to country or state to state, etc.

[@CM-iz5ny]

@@Shorty_Lickens What a stupid comment.

[@Shorty_Lickens]

@@devforfun5618 thats what I said.

[@Tsundown]

I think the worst part was seeing how Kickstarter had put the “Project we Love” on that obvious scam... and even the page looked so low effort. I guess that part hurt because I couldn’t get that badge on my own project I toiled over for months 🙃

[@notmewtwo4044]

Cant people just put those on their own projects. I know people used to do that. Is it difficult to do that now? Ive never been on kickstarter cause ive heard way to many horror stories.

[@shabath]

@@notmewtwo4044 Indeed I believe anyone can slap that thing on whatever they do. Last time I checked, ks didn't officially add any visible "yeah we like this" beyond the suggested emails.

[@foof811]

kickstarter gets a cut of the profits for all funded projects so of course they'd promote valuable scams. Then claim plausible deniability when the scam falls apart

[@sibernetikvehububata.s7158]

Million players enters one city. Server CPU: Guess i'll die now.

[@TurquoiseIcy]

What server lmao

[@TurquoiseIcy]

What server lmao

[@Scaramouche122]

@@TurquoiseIcy it is a cat

[@koppsr]

More like CPU: "**fizzle..**"..

[@KnakuanaRka]

Server: 💥8|

[@Mt.Berry-o7]

"The last game you'll ever play" could be true for all we know. In the best case it will leave you with a permanent distaste for digital entertainment, and in the worst it could end your life.

[@skelet8337]

Or maybe the 1 million player server will send your computer in space with the amount of heat energy

[@moreauclement9702]

The last game you'll ever play because it won't ever happen since the game will never go live

[@phillipmitchell2254]

"Mostly runs on the players' computers" = "We're gonna mine crypto on your fucking hardware lol"

[@Kc40k]

It appears the algorithm has blessed me with another channel that I must binge.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Well there's 3 vids a week and a twitch stream after each one :)

[@iguessso1790]

Samee, only a year later

[@jefferinno]

​@@iguessso1790Same, yet only another year later

[@blakksheep736]

I'm continuing the chain.

[@ActiveRadiotivity]

As a cyber security engineer, I almost cried at their P2P connection.

[@fealubryne]

I don't have a ton of experience with P2P personally but Red Dead Online uses it and it's a security disaster from what I've heard. And the player base is significantly smaller than what this disaster of a Kickstarter is suggesting.

[@ShermTank7272]

Even if they sort out the MASSIVE issues with security concerns, the sheer lag of relying on hundreds of hundreds of peer to peer connections to maintain your player locations, interactions, and so on would be a laggy, delayed mess.

[@mo0pb-p30]

@@fealubryne red dead online has a huge cheating problem same with GTA online which also uses P2P

[@kirayoshikage4057]

I2P is closest thing I know of that's "secure" enough to use and even that falls short because its slow as hell. Definitely not something that can be used for a realtime MMO.

[@Annoxium]

I was actually asking questions about the game's technical aspects, such as how they were planning on sustaining so many players. And they've banned me from their Discord.

[@mayo5826]

Nice

[@Annoxium]

@@mayo5826 Yeahhhhh... shady. I wasn't even being rude or disrespectful. I genuinely wanted to know the exact details, because no other company has managed to figure it out yet two guys supposedly have.

[@clintriggen3554]

They didn't even wave the red flag they tried to suffocate you with it.

[@ingamingpc1634]

link to the discord

[@LynkynPeppers]

Of course they did haha, super shady

[@Ozraptor4]

Love how this was issued a Kickstarter "Project We Love Badge" which was discreetly removed the following day.

[@EdmundKempersDartboard]

Wait... That creature encounter gif... That was the model and animation of a graug from Shadow Of Mordor. 😂 they're not just buying assets, they're stealing them.

[@thewhompingwampa2671]

Next thing you know, they'll strip the animations from every other creature/enemy in the game then move onto the next.

[@johnsalchichon777]

That can't be sued?

[@t3knosoulz]

@@johnsalchichon777 It honestly depends on whether or not it would be worth it to sue them for it - if they have no way of paying whatever they're told to pay in damages, it's basically a lost cause

[@danielgiovanniello7217]

I _knew_ that thing looks familiar! I thought they just copied the animation from a fucking Rancor or something.

[@wynautwarrior2161]

Good catch

[@Furo_kun]

Whoever wrote that page clearly never hosted a minecraft server or played an MMO. The resources needed to generate and load "infinite" territory for millions of players at the same time would be immense. AAA MMOs have lag problems, and they have different servers, a player cap, and a finite map. And if to that you add millions p2p connections it can only get worse.

[@tvctaswegia497]

Check out 2bt2 MC server, server is huge and laggy as hell. I cannot even imagine what it would run like (if at all) in P2P hosted.

[@andrewv.9142]

the 'last game you'll ever play' sounds like some creepypasta tag lmao

[@blakksheep736]

That's a threat, I'm sure.

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

"The last game you'll ever play" lol yeah, as in one of the last ones I'd ever consider playing.

[@Notsram77]

"So bad, it might actually end your life."

[@kyotheman69]

@@Notsram77 well no game is worth that

[@kimrasmussen7188]

it actually sounds vaguely threatening IMO

[@skelet8337]

Bcs you wouldn't trust a game ever again

[@chipskylark5500]

@@kimrasmussen7188 menacing

[@LunaProtege]

There's already an "MMO" that allows the players to make any world/game they want... Its called VR Chat; and its very rare to actually see someone try to make a game within it though.

[@anotheraccount4094]

@Hatwox c a p t c h a

[@azadalamiq]

second life also did it. Players had free access to the dev tools to make anything, hell... at one point real embassy had land in second life. real banks had land in second life. vrchat is more/less the vr version of second life.

[@cuddlecakes7153]

@Hatwox Roblox's Captacha is actually fucking insane though, so I don't blame you. I have no idea how they expect kids to get through that

[@kirayoshikage4057]

The closest thing is Minecraft. People have made minigames, people have made adventure maps that feel like their very own games, and they even made minecraft in minecraft (although not fully featured)... The world is virtually infinite, the biomes are plenty, and everyone can have fun in it lmao.

[@asapling]

@Hatwox i was able to get through all you need to do is click the pictures that have the same icon

[@PaulHofreiter]

DreamWorldLover_21 will be so sad when this doesn’t pan out.

[@Pure_Terror]

yeah especially since it will be the last "game" they will ever "play"

[@garamoth97]

‘The last game you’ll ever play’ - sounds like the Devil is threatening me.

[@ugh_dad]

Don't worry, that intense CPU and GPU processing and internet traffic is just your client double checking the validity of other players actions, it is NOT cryptocurrency mining and hash checking Also finding a smaller youtuber and actually pointing to them instead of just repackaging their points, way to change the YT meta you absolute legend!

[@johngalardi]

I love how he calls the narwhal a “mythical unicorn seal.”

[@Eryna_]

stop narwhal erasure. this is a serious problem

[@ammagon4519]

I mean is there any proof that they're real tho?

[@johngalardi]

@@ammagon4519 I mean, I guess we have about as much evidence for narwhals as we do for birds... and there are people saying “birds aren’t real”... so...

[@covidmakesmoney866]

@@johngalardi no one say birds arent real, dinosaurs is fake

[@vbgvbg1133]

Yeah, they’re mythical unicorn WHALES not seals.

[@abonynge]

The game name Dream World is already trademarked by a browser mmo that was incredibly successful a decade ago and is still active even after the death of Flash.

[@12733s]

Dreamworld is also a hugely popular theme park in Australia, like six flags. this game would never ship in australia.

[@sirgideonofnirtheall-knowi1881]

First I've ever heard of it, what's it like?

[@brockly7916]

LINKS?

[@randomrandom450]

Copyrights doesnt matter if the game never ships. *tap side of the head*

[@vbgvbg1133]

@@Megalolmao i miss my kongregate account.

[@aabis2978]

This is like Icarus getting too close to the sun. But they haven't even built the wings and they just flopped and went crashing head first to the ground.

[@studiesinflux1304]

Even worse: they don't plan on even building the wings, but they'll take the materials and resources anyway

[@daisymaizedotjpg]

Even even worse, Daedalus built Icarus' wings and Icarus acknowledged that (despite fucking it up), yet these guys imported assets and claimed that they were their own work without ever making a damn thing.

[@jordanpowell2242]

Nah icarus tried to get to close to the sun and got ran over by a Boeing 747 then crashed on the ground and got run over by a horde of hippopotamus

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

@@jordanpowell2242 haha wow dude ur so random 🙄

[@flow185]

@@imveryangryitsnotbutter cool no one actually gives a shit

[@CaleoGaming]

Just gonna go ahead and download the Unreal Engine and download some assets, it really seems to pay off! :D Jokes aside, how did this kickstarter EVER get to reach this point? Ridicilous.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Desperation, hope, longing. A fool as his money are soon parted.

[@GatorRay]

It's the folks selling UnitZ on Steam OVER & OVER AGAIN debacle all over again.

[@ryansp57]

If you go on instagram and look up dreamworld215 you’ll see a completely separate developer I have followed for a while, he is working on his game all on his own and doesn’t have a crowd funding campaign, I think this guy is trying to take some hype away from that developer, or it’s the same guy making this on the side but still it’s an interesting coincidence

[@kirayoshikage4057]

People who paid money for this are blind... I mean, I'm not professional game developer by any means, but I've made my own game engine and its nothing amazing and I can tell that that's not what professional lighting, or decent lighting, or passable lighting looks like... That just looks like lighting that I had in my engine when I copy pasted code from learnopengl.com for basic phong shading for that damn ugly sphere that has surface values set to show off specular lighting. In general, from previews, everything looks like a bunch of students just imported few random assets into unity and setup a scene over a weekend for their midterm project demo... Its like they know just as much about games as I do, basically nothing. So again, the only real plausible explanation is that those people are completely blind. And that's just aesthetics, remember that I didn't even begin to talk about how boring this is. "Player driven game" is keyword for "no real content, uhhh, the multiplayer chat is the content!".

[@TheBackwardsLegsMan]

Funny thing is there are assets you can buy for less than $500 that would be a better MMO out of the box than this directly off the UE marketplace. Up that to $1k and you can even get some nicely animated 3D models and UI.

[@Doomerang01]

Out of morbid curiosity I took a look at their kickstarter today. Everything you warned about is already coming true (backers are getting banned from the discord from asking technical questions and still have not had an explanation why, and they didnt even make a thank you video until TWO WEEKS after the kickstarter closed). You honestly could do an update video just showing how awful this team is acting. Btw I just stumbled across your content today (just saw this and the Adventureworld 3D vid) and I love it. I just subscribed :)

[@Frostgnaw]

Imagine trying to get to a dungeon or raid: "ok guys, we're gonna kill orbuys the defiler tonight. Uh, he's only a 400 hour walk to the north. Let's get going"

[@Sorrowdusk]

Teleportation needs to be a thing in this infinite world

[@Frostgnaw]

@@Sorrowdusk yeah, but the problem there is twofold. You'd either A) need to have portal makers head out to the destination beforehand or B) have premade portals to places in an infinite world, which would be impossible and ruin the entire point of having an endless world.

[@rdizzy1]

Eh,I would play it, as long as there was adventure along the way as well,and I was in a fully immersive VR suit that used my brain waves, like SAO style, lmao.

[@azadalamiq]

@@Frostgnaw or c) have mages that can cast teleportation magic. teleportation doesn't ruin "infinite" worlds

[@gazz3867]

@@azadalamiq Teleportation may not "ruin" an infinite world but it turns it into tiny theme park islands at which point you may as well have isolated instances.

[@gunn25]

So... no one gonna mention his fabulous hair?

[@kirkendauhl6990]

He’s like Jon Snow’s fancier brother

[@Tnargav]

That's what lockdown does to you ^^

[@jonerikson5925]

The North remembers, to use proper hair products.

[@stillfangirlingtoday1468]

Not only that, he is pretty good looking!

[@blakksheep736]

SBF has ruined curly mops of hair for me, it's quite annoying.

[@prinniapuff]

Honestly, the core of what they've described that would make their games so innovative already exists. It's called Second Life. It's pretty much entirety player-generated content, from the character models to the locations. You can be almost anything, build any kind of setting, have pets, and people have even built interactive systems for dueling and minigames. I've seen a scale replica of EPCOT in Disneyworld with functioning rides. My wife built a space station with vehicles that can be flown and fought. She has a fully-functioning Tron arena. Second Life is also clunky as hell and makes no attempt whatsoever at design cohesion, because everything is player-generated and the core controls and tech are ancient. I think a modernized SL could actually be a great thing, although it would take years for it to build a market of assets like SL has. The problem is, these guys are just making a vague promise of "the content will be infinite because it will be player-generated" without offering any kind of meaningful or new infrastructure to support that. They also can't even decide if they're trying to build a player-generated world or a developer-lead PvE experience. They keep making promises about core systems that they would have to develop, like pets and PvE creatures and housing, without showing any degree of competence to produce those aspects.

[@HenriqueRJchiki]

Is that kermit the frog with two samurai swords smoking a blunt?

[@rachelsegue4703]

The added caveat of Second Life is that the different realms that players make don't all exist on the same map simultaneously. They are, effectively, walled off from each other. You know, like servers. Otherwise the game would melt even the highest end computers.

[@Sorrowdusk]

I thought second life was only for kinky furry RP stuff. I forgot about it, I never tried it myself

[@prinniapuff]

@@Sorrowdusk Not exclusively but it's definitely there. There's a lot of creativity, but since there's basically no censorship there will always be a chunk of that creativity going towards lewds. There's a location-based maturity rating system though.

[@azadalamiq]

@@Sorrowdusk real world embassy had land in it at one point, so did real world banks. It was also featured on a csi new york episode. pretty much its vr chat without the vr and 1990s graphics.

[@PigeonHoledByYT]

I also love when fundraising campaigns say "we have a ton of private investors with millions of dollars already, we just need $10,000 more to finish."

[@dxconnery]

Great video! Cloud game server dev here. I know I’m late to the party, but their infra drove me so crazy, I started researching if it was possible with blockchain. Short answer is, yes in theory, but there are only 2-3 companies globally doing this, and they only have very basic turn-based games with 30 second (not ms) ticks. When they read this, the started laughing so hard they cried.

[@Mattafang]

Even if it wasn't a scam, I wouldn't fund a game called "dream world". Friend: Hey Matt, what are you playing? "Oh you know, just rocking out with some dream world"

[@PaulHofreiter]

The name is so generic it sounds like either it was made in the 90s or by someone with no game experience who is creatively bankrupt.

[@JohnSmith-ox3gy]

@@PaulHofreiter It sounds like a fake game in a 90's sitcom.

[@Hithere-uz6wd]

There is an mmo called dream world that already exists and is trademarked

[@prylosecorsomething3194]

"Hey bro wanna play some halo?" "Nah I'm busy playing dream world"

[@ammagon4519]

Sounds like a fake game you'd hear in some movie tbh

[@EazyPeazyEnglish]

This reminds me of the Miinecraft server hosting days when someone would donate and you'd put their name on a piece of wood.

[@archevenault]

still is a thing!

[@Narakusin84]

I've been following this and find it perplexing that anyone would dislike this video. The dude who is running this "project" has a Kickstarted portable speaker that is still taking orders on their site and never shipped. Dude is actually pictured all over the site with the "prototype". I'm surprised that more people haven't just pointed towards that. It's MMOSO (Snake Oil).

[@victorcruz6426]

Its from 2 people there is a guess who hated it

[@Sorrowdusk]

MMOSO?

[@IMissTheOldPantheon]

Doesn't make this guy seem any less douchey, which is why I personally didn't like this video. Sure, this specific case is obviously the MMO equivalent of selling snake oil, but he points out and angrily roasts/rants/banters about a lot of things that are common with other games when they are in the fundraising/pre-alpha stage. It honestly seems like he's never seen a non-scam or non-terrible game go through the steps of development. He also spends a lot of time complaining about over-ambitious marketing when it's present in 99% of the games nowadays.

[@teejay9189]

@@IMissTheOldPantheon You're gonna defend scammers, just from your dislike of the person who exposed the scammers?

[@azadalamiq]

@@IMissTheOldPantheon if you need to crowdfund a video game..... you need to do better. hell i tried PoE and great game, outside the kickstarter paint plastered all over it, and nearly npc i ran into was a kickstarter reward characters. none of the faces matched the profile pictures. i did find it entertaining to see mat mercer fight with himself though dude a good voice actor. game would've been better without the "we was a kickstarter funded game" being shoved in your face nearly every loading screen. or had more npc then just kickstarter ones.

[@Jackalgirl]

I know I'm so incredibly late to the game here, but I can't get over how they call the baby-blue-and-gold monstrosity a "Pantheon". "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

[@jestahjava4255]

The craziest part about this to me is how it’s a ycombinator company. Like...how? Getting accepted to ycombinator cannot be that easy lmao - IS THIS REALLY WHAT THEY SHOWED THEM IN THEIR PITCH MEETING??

[@KnakuanaRka]

Apparently, as mentioned in some of his and Callum Upton’s videos, one of the creators knows a guy at Y Combinator who fast-tracked their project. Screw the rules, I have connections!

[@TheHelLDriver999]

the good ones aside,i feel like literally every mmo says "its the most ambitious of all time and it will be the best"

[@ivailoivanov01]

The only actualy triple A legit mmo I see coming in the future is Riot Games' and it's probably gonna take at least 5 years until it's done. But Riot games is a company you can trust, every game they make dominates twitch/esports.

[@numeric_limits4829]

It WILL be the best, and you WILL be happy

[@sargothi]

Just like what every woman says when you meet them

[@shinon748]

Yup. It's why I'm very reluctant to get hyped for a game until we get reviews from a beta with gameplay.

[@MrDwightSchrute]

yes - that's marketing

[@Ea_Rapture]

"Even ff14 has a pvp mode even though noone plays it" Me, a ff14 pvper: the real ff14 pvp is trying to convince other players to queue so I can play the actual pvp.

[@chronoxtreme2427]

The other fun PVP is shooting off lasers at the other alliances in Puppet’s Bunker

[@shivur5073]

Ff14 pvp used to be fun. And then they completely butchered it by making everyone have the same exact spells and abilities. Back in ARR and HW pvp was so much fun. Now every class has the same exact abilities and it's completely stupid

[@BohemiaValois]

Not a real FF14 player confirmed. A real FF14 player knows that the true PvP is getting a house with at least one other person camping a placard.

[@McSkink]

@@BohemiaValois pvp is getting a revamp in 6.1 with Ishgard housing

[@AdrianGrave]

the real pvp is buying a home

[@Overdrive_Notso]

I love how at the end of the kickstarter video this guy casually mentions having millions of people on a single game world. No further explanation required, they just have the solution.

[@ikkeheltvanlig]

As a fan of star citizen, I'm very aware of the lure of promises but this is crazy

[@heartache5742]

are you very aware

[@ShawnBlaque]

@@heartache5742 I too have my doubts on the awareness lol

[@phrotonz]

The one thing I could be possible is the biome claim. In games, “biomes” usually don’t refer to the same things as the IRL world. It is possibly pulling a Minecraft or Terraria where “biomes” are very loose.

[@starblaiz1986]

The only thing that surprises me about all this is that Gamigo isn't somehow involved XD

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Don;t give them any ideas.

[@Arenumberg]

Gamigo prefer to vulture in on already made things and making them bad rather than making bad things

[@DragGon7601]

They did say they had funding from somewhere...

[@Makgeulli]

LOL🤣🤣

[@sekory88]

psssshhht if they read this we are doomed even more

[@Nuffsi]

A unity asset museum MMO, I can't wait

[@mister-x2]

Josh's hair becomes more untamed every episode! Also, I have worked in games before and if I can give a single advice: Never ever trust a publicist / marketing guy

[@michaelmorrison5280]

Clearly the Otherland project has driven him mad.

[@whywhy8324]

I learned that lesson with Age Of Reckoning. That sunglasses wearing son of a bitch promised dwarf beards that would grow dynamically as you leveled up. Unironically still one of my biggest gaming disappointments just because of how excited I was for that game.

[@musikalniyfanboichik]

he is becoming an indie lazy devs worst villian

[@zlobzor]

That's the case with anything, not just game development.

[@eyeofsauron7662]

What games have you worked on? I always like hearing about small titles and such

[@chaincat33]

there's 5 major archetypes of biomes. There's somewhere around 50 subtypes of biomes that you could reasonably divide down into. Still not the at least 2000 they promised but hey it's something

[@TheChadTI]

Your background shelves are comfy as hell, love them.

[@briangoubeaux5360]

This sounds like a Slopes Game Room Kickscammers episode waiting to happen.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

I think they'd have a field day with this

[@Nexiusify]

There is stolen assets in the kickstarter page from games. The 'green fox' kickstarter "exclusive" is a mount from world of warcraft.

[@CommandoJenkins]

It's not a mount from WoW. The vulpins look nothing like that green fox. "Glimmerfur Prowler" is what you're thinking of, and it's not the same asset.

[@Nexiusify]

@@CommandoJenkins Looks almost identical.

[@Chipmissioner]

@@Nexiusify It looks absolutely nothing like the Glimmerfur Prowler. Or let me rephrase: it's absolutely *not* the same asset as it, at all. They're both a green fox, but that's where the similarities end. You may want to actually pause the video on the fox and compare it side by side to WoW's, because they are nothing alike model wise.

[@Nexiusify]

@@Chipmissioner Someone already said.

[@Chipmissioner]

@@Nexiusify and you disagreed with them, somehow, so I threw my 2 cents in too.

[@wfjhDUI]

For the first half of the video I really thought the specific accusation of "scam" was inappropriate -- it seemed like this was just the classic vague, over-ambitious MMO promises from two dudes who are in so far over their heads that they don't even realize it, but once you got to the donor wall I changed my mind. This project probably started off as simple well-meaning incompetence but somewhere along the way it definitely became a grift.

[@yokorose]

They needed $7000 to buy unreal store items and thats it .

[@rafaelmoreno6331]

That Blue Wall that mentions donators is might as well be the hall of shame at this point

[@mcheung97]

Just found your channel recently and your content is just absolute gold. I'd love to see more of these kinds of deep dives about kickstarter or mmo scams!

[@ruuusaki]

dude i just went in their discord, there are actually people who paid for the $2k pack LMFAO

[@Tallzom]

Well atleast they no longer have the money, it’s better these con men have it clearly

[@superdog619]

This game seems like a jack of all trades and master of none. With emphasis on the master of none part

[@natecw4164]

1:20 "I want a quest here, here and here. You can never find a quest when you're mad." MMO Homer

[@JohnnyTightIips]

The evolution of Josh's hair in this MMOPINION series is quite remarkable.

[@Gothicpolar]

I love how most of the assets in the library are straight from Quixel Megascans..

[@kirayoshikage4057]

I love how I've seen at least 5 different games mentioned as sources from where assets for this "game" came from. The funniest one being "I love how it has a WoW logo".

[@asmodeus.rl9]

Ok dude you were one of my favorite KZbinrs but after this video you’re literally my number one favorite youtuber

[@Drain_Life_Archive]

"The last game you'll ever play." He going to kill us after we play it? Why would we want ANY game to be the last game we EVER play??? That implies we're going to die or have a serious disability afterwards.

[@aleanddragonITA]

It is so bad that if you play it your brain will melts

[@DanielRenardAnimation]

4:00 That gif loop gameplay example, makes me think they ought to name it _"KZbin Kids Online"._

[@AreGeeBee]

LFG to tackle Hello Neighbor Hulk raid

[@MrArmando0530]

I love how brutally honest this is, I'm just nodding along haha, awesome.

[@MTNDEWGANG]

"lol we used the ue4 stock model as a joke to other devs" At least they actually make a complete game.

[@plaguetree2387]

Them: The last game you'll ever play! Me: Dont threaten ME with a good time! Like seriously, that sounded like a threat!

[@Demi_gse]

A good way to know something is probably gonna suck is if the person selling it calls it the last ________ you'll ever need.

[@kyotheman69]

this turd won't even make it in top 10, the top 5 still haven't been touched still

[@vicc6790]

don't quit your day job

[@JotaDeeMeO]

Panic at the ...

[@alexfizik1093]

The "designer" dude is the embodiment of the "graphic design is my passion" meme

[@fy_tv]

It's called dreamworld because you have to be asleep to believe it.

[@roguegargoyle914]

The one and only thing they are likely to create is a cash shop and it'll be front and foremost at all times.

[@evinonhalsmark2534]

This actually reminds me of another mmo, manyland. It's a free 2D mmo where you make your own items and skins and even code them. Very limited, but it does follow the same ideas of infinity, however more than 1 world with players in it. It's not very big, or complex, but it seems to still mostly get this done and played for free. It lags alot, lots of glitches and low security, but I still find it interesting how similar they are in concept.

[@user-hn7nm6ih6o]

At least... You know... It's there.

[@unfoundpump]

I remember Manyland so much! That was so fun to play with people on TFM Cafe lol

[@rachelsegue4703]

"We want you to pay us to make a game that's gonna be all genres but all the content is gonna be made by the players." lolwut

[@raelogan]

Millions of players on the same server on the same overworld at the same time sounds like it would kill my wifi data faster than a GameGear through six AA Batteries

[@gamingjunkie6308]

You had the perfect chance to make the title "The ScaMMO that got funded". ...That sounded better in my head, I swear.

[@neseipraxosia832]

Wow I can’t believe acclaimed anime protagonist Spike Spiegel runs this channel

[@bittersweetvictory8541]

15:00 and that's why FFXIV put the names of the people who came back to 2.0 after 1.0 in the credits and not in the game itself.

[@SpookyBoogie7]

Can't wait to see this on Worst MMO's (if it ever gets released).

[@AgerGames]

there is no chance this get released

[@PaulHofreiter]

I will bet money this game is never publicly playable.

[@Sorrowdusk]

I want it to release

[@aeravan]

I have more hopes in Chronicles of Elyria crystalizing out of thin air than this "game" happening

[@thefreshestdoug]

Mate I love your stuff, especially the Otherworld series was absolutely fantastic as is your take on many other games. BUT you've got some wild volume difference between talking in person and talking over footage!

[@Russian_engineer_bmstu]

One great thing came out of dreamworld. One of the best things in the mmo landscape for the last 2 years! Josh met callum cause of it

[@r4microds]

For those non UE4 devs, here's a fun fact. World positions are limited to 20km squared this is an engine limitation and networking gets all fucked if a player passes this bounds. This is because your position is relative to a world origin existing at 0, 0, 0 (xyz). UE4 is not built for "infinite map" MMOs unless you manually enable world position resetting which essentially allows repositioning of the origin on the fly when someone passes that threshold, you will very likely still end up need to write many custom functions and extensions to the engine to make things work the way you want. Something that takes quite some years of UE4 dev and an understanding about how the engine works. This means compiling from source and considering these guys have just put together a project from marketplace assets, I highly doubt this will be the case.

[@edmundmondo1682]

10:54 Those 2 hours of your life you lost for us are worth more than the kistarter goal of this scam. We thank you for your sacrifice, you will never get those 2 hours of life back but they will never be forgotten!!

[@miyuverseofficial]

1,000,000 players in a single server technically equals one hell of a crash.

[@archlorddestin]

It's nice to see 3 years on that Callum is doing rather well with 85,000 subscribers :)

[@matthew4284]

you really do have the face of an actor. good content, love watching your videos. its nice to play in the background and get lost in audio mmo'ery.

[@TheBrokensaintvxvx]

The joke that no one PVP's in FF14 still gets me. I've PVP'd in FF14, a lot of people do it. No one's good at it, but a lot of people do it.

[@roetheboat1]

PvP in FF14 is usually just smacking your heads against others in huge groups. Nobody knows what is going on, it can be fun at the time, but at the end it leaves you with a headache and a difficulty in remembering what had happened. All jokes aside, Rival Wings is actually a pretty fun PvP mode. Just wish it would be an option for the roulette instead of the Frontlines.

[@mayo5826]

What is ff14?

[@azadalamiq]

@@mayo5826 final fantasy 14 the crossplay mmo on ps4 (soon ps5) and pc. got a free trial they lets you get up to lvl 60 pretty much the base game and first expact. there some restrictions, but its pretty generous. can do everything on 1 character too.

[@mayo5826]

@@azadalamiq ohh thank you

[@tuskanpoo673]

I died when he mentioned the three stretch goals they thankfully never managed to hit hahahaha

[@smileyp4535]

"When you try to please everyone you end up pleasing no one"

[@skaphanatic5657]

The Pantheon literally looks like the first few ray traced graphics I made using the free POVRay program while I was in high school. 20+ years ago

[@inaminayo5327]

after all this, my only thought is: That better be an empty indomitous box behind you or else as someone who never got my hands on one, I'm going to be a very sad panda.

[@bradleybear9387]

The whole peer to peer letting them scale to a million players just sounds like they watched silicon valley and are trying to be pied piper

[@Proserpira]

About the biomes: the Frackin Universe mod for Starbound includes tons of bioms. It's actually quite simple to create a biome concept. Poison, Alien, Treasure, Meat, whatever. Making a biome for a sci-fi game is quite simple, you can take any physical matter and turn it into a potential biome. What about a "flesh" biome, with a sea of blood, an ocean of pus, dirt made of ground meat and grass made of nerves? If you want to make bizarre biomes, you need to be creative.

[@starmanda88]

Ewwww this made me want to puke 😅

[@R0MULUS97]

The greatest travesty that came out of all this is the fact that ppl. actually gave these scammers money for a product they will never see.

[@uweengelmann3]

It looks like some people have too much money.

[@SneedRemembrancer]

People should know something like this is a scam by now There have been enough cases of this of people to hmmmm perhaps the unity asset flip isn’t a legitimate project.

[@Sorrowdusk]

Star Citizen will come out before Dream World. Probably be a bad game, but it'll be a game like Dream World

[@rdizzy1]

They need to prosecute these people, these types of scams are akin to a ponzi scheme or any other fraudulent investing laws where you promise things that aren't possible. I'm not big on blaming the victims of scams rather than putting the majority of the blame on the criminal. Can you think of any other crimes where people almost purely blame the victim of said crime?

[@ValentijnEnJack]

I also really like that you mentioned: "DON'T donate as a joke/funny meme." I love my friends, but it's so jarring to hear when they did a joke donation. It's funny, but when it's a lazily put together joke/cashgrab, it's sad. I haven't seen them recently do it, but if they do, I'll just tell them to use that to donate to charity or put it in something that actually helps *them* start up a project.

[@alter9851]

Bless the algorithm I’m surprised when see your channel still under 100K you deserve more brother I like your explanation, even this is 30 minutes video but doesn’t boring at all

[@matthewpowell2394]

"Given the nature of INFINITY.." Mr. Hayes coming in for 'Cosmos' season 3!

[@siristhedragon]

Just for the record: Unreal Engine 4 (the engine they are using) is 100% free to use and royalty free for commercial allocations up until the user has generated one Million dollars in gross quarterly review, in witch case you must then pay only a 15% royalty. Access is unlimited, source code is available (Semi open-source) and there are zero stipulations concerning publishing and 3rd party support. You are even given access to Epic's multiplayer infrastructure for no additional fees. Many of these qualities are standard for most other game engines and software development suites. Addendum: Also as a point on "shaders"; the shaders themselves are in fact already included with each and every visual asset on display in this "MMO". Shaders are also a varied and highly stylistic element of computer generated art; assets made in different art styles are going to have VERY different approaches in how they use shaders. The issue you are noticing is not a lack of shaders, but that, not only are the art styles clashing horribly, many of these scenes lack any attention to lighting and even shadows at most times. Lighting (witch I think you are confusing for "shaders") is a discipline unto itself. Unreal Engine, however, gives you literally every thing you need to intuitively and easily implement just about any lighting style one could imagine, OUT OF THE BOX. DRAG & DROP. NO CODE OR PURCHASE REQUIRED. They have simply neglected to actually implement any of these stock features, most likely out of a lack of basic understanding. So your core point is most likely still true.

[@edit3891]

This is somehow even more ambitious then what I want to make *eventually*, and that's saying a lot.

[@snowarmth]

I'm interested in if you still dream big! o: I still do~

[@deimos2k6]

videos like this are gold, considering the scammy kickstarter era we're in. Please keep it going!

[@lyrithvalthier2236]

Damn, crazy. Great Informative, Josh! Keep doing the amazing coverage you do!

[@TheFrostedfirefly]

This has the same energy as telling someone you have a great idea, telling THEM to work on your idea FOR you and then asking that YOU be the one who is compensated... because that's exactly what it is.